Re: ugnet_: 'Congo Rebels Using Ugandan Child Soldiers' -East African 25/11/2...

2002-11-26 Thread Mitayo Potosi


Ms Keitetsi thinks the ONLY villain is museveni.  No.

Where was Winfred Byanyima. Was she not there in Luwero with the killers?
Has she ever condmned Luwero? What about Besigye?

Winfred Byanyima,  Besigye, Muniini etc... all keep on telling you that 
museveni is a hero gone bad.
How can one look at Luwero and call the authors heros?

What justification is there to spill the blood of a million people to remove 
one dictator and replace him with another?

If anything mu7 should be commended for being a consistent man.

Do these fellows have a quarrel with his actions?  May be they are just 
enviuos of his stay in State House.
And May be that is is why they now cry out about him.  Have you heard them 
condemn his actions?.

A few others lying to us that they were DP's also spilt the blood of these 
innocents.

As Karoli Ssemwogerere has said loud and clear, DP is not and has never been 
a party of either thieves or killers.
Never accept the nonsense that some of these killers were of the Democratic 
Party of our beloved Ben Kiwanuka.

With all his failings it is A. M. Obote who has been consistent on this 
score of child soldiers.
He  wrote a book about it ( The concealing of a genocide ? ). How come that 
book has not had a wide circulation?


   
Ivinicus factus sum veritabem diceus.  ( I have become an enemy for 
speaking the truth )  St Paul!
   
Mitayo Potosi

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Matek,

Thanks for this.  A lie has short legs.  The truth always catches up with
it, according to a Ma'di/Lugbara proverb.

It's now Museveni's turn to see how even the most intricately manufactured
realities can evaporate like fog in the morning sun.  But those who have
ruled or intend to rule (again) should always remember this, too, if they
haven't already learned any lessons in the past or the present.

vukoni
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 Fellow Citizens:

 Ms Keitetsi's book shows in very glaring picture some of the atrocities
the
 NRM committed and continues to commit against the people of Uganda; both
 during Yoweri Museveni's Bush wars of the 1980's upto the present day.

 Those members of the International Community who are interested in the
people
 and history of our country better take Ms. Keitetsi's book very very
 seriously.


 As a matter of fact, there are very many Ms. Keitetsis out there who,
given
 the opportunity, are very much willing to tell, rather, reveal all to 
the
 world about the true nature of  Yoweri Museveni and his NRM.

 In fact, I highly recommend Ms. Keitetsis book as a required  reading  
for
 most Ugandans, Friends of Uganda, and members of the International
Community.

 Keitetsi's book reveals the other side of the story, so to say. It does
help
 members of the International Community look at Museveni's politics from 
a
 different angle.

 Matek



 In a message dated 11/25/02 6:21:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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  Regional

  Monday, November 25, 2002  Nairobi-Kenya
  -
  'Congo Rebels Using
  Ugandan Child Soldiers'By KEVIN J. KELLEY
  SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
  CHINA KEITETSI has a vision of a big room in Africa filled with
computers,
 books and paintings a place where former child soldiers can learn in
safety.
  Ms Keitetsi would also like psychologists to be in the room to reassure
the
 children, because, she says, they get ashamed when they talk about who
raped
 them.
  It is Ms Keitetsi's dream to create rooms like this in Rwanda, Sierra
Leone
 and other war-ravaged African countries with the proceeds from a book 
she
has
 written about her experiences as a child soldier in Uganda.
  She says she was abducted in 1984, at age eight, into the National
 Resistance Army commanded by then rebel leader Yoweri Museveni. For the
next
 11 years, until her escape to South Africa, Ms Keitetsi says she was
 brutalised psychologically and sexually.
  My childhood was taken from me and I can never get that back, she 
told
The
 EastAfrican in a recent interview.
  The autobiography ranks high on bestseller lists in Germany, where it 
was
 published under the title, They Took Away My Mother and Gave Me a Gun.
  In its English-language edition, published by Jacana of South Africa, 
the
 book is called My Life as a Child Soldier.
  Ms Keitetsi, now 26 years old, is touring the United States to call
 attention to the desperation of children forced to fight in adults' 
wars.
She
 says her advocacy is not aimed specifically at the Ugandan

RE: ugnet_: 'Congo Rebels Using Ugandan Child Soldiers' -East African 25/11/2...

2002-11-26 Thread Ed Kironde
Mitayo Potosi
Where was Winfred Byanyima. Was she not there in Luwero with the
killers? Has she ever condmned Luwero? What about Besigye?
 Winnie Byanyima was with Obote, then with the Okellos, then came the
peace jokes, Toko thought that Byanyima was with him, only to realize
that he was on the NRM side.  Then Besigye came in very very late.  As
the 1st son was getting married, Besigye was getting married too.
Besigye tried the If-you-can-do-it, I-can-do-it-too path, he failed in
that bid, then he exiled himself sighting the usual, Winnie stayed home
- do I hear more wedding bells?

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Ms Keitetsi thinks the ONLY villain is museveni.  No.

Where was Winfred Byanyima. Was she not there in Luwero with the
killers?
Has she ever condmned Luwero? What about Besigye?

Winfred Byanyima,  Besigye, Muniini etc... all keep on telling you that 
museveni is a hero gone bad.
How can one look at Luwero and call the authors heros?

What justification is there to spill the blood of a million people to
remove 
one dictator and replace him with another?

If anything mu7 should be commended for being a consistent man.

Do these fellows have a quarrel with his actions?  May be they are just 
enviuos of his stay in State House.
And May be that is is why they now cry out about him.  Have you heard
them 
condemn his actions?.

A few others lying to us that they were DP's also spilt the blood of
these 
innocents.

As Karoli Ssemwogerere has said loud and clear, DP is not and has never
been 
a party of either thieves or killers.
Never accept the nonsense that some of these killers were of the
Democratic 
Party of our beloved Ben Kiwanuka.

With all his failings it is A. M. Obote who has been consistent on this 
score of child soldiers.
He  wrote a book about it ( The concealing of a genocide ? ). How come
that 
book has not had a wide circulation?



Ivinicus factus sum veritabem diceus.  ( I have become an enemy for 
speaking the truth )  St Paul!

Mitayo Potosi

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:06:04 -0600

Matek,

Thanks for this.  A lie has short legs.  The truth always catches up
with
it, according to a Ma'di/Lugbara proverb.

It's now Museveni's turn to see how even the most intricately
manufactured
realities can evaporate like fog in the morning sun.  But those who
have
ruled or intend to rule (again) should always remember this, too, if
they
haven't already learned any lessons in the past or the present.

vukoni
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  Fellow Citizens:
 
  Ms Keitetsi's book shows in very glaring picture some of the
atrocities
the
  NRM committed and continues to commit against the people of Uganda;
both
  during Yoweri Museveni's Bush wars of the 1980's upto the present
day.
 
  Those members of the International Community who are interested in
the
people
  and history of our country better take Ms. Keitetsi's book very very
  seriously.
 
 
  As a matter of fact, there are very many Ms. Keitetsis out there
who,
given
  the opportunity, are very much willing to tell, rather, reveal all
to 
the
  world about the true nature of  Yoweri Museveni and his NRM.
 
  In fact, I highly recommend Ms. Keitetsis book as a required
reading  
for
  most Ugandans, Friends of Uganda, and members of the International
Community.
 
  Keitetsi's book reveals the other side of the story, so to say. It
does
help
  members of the International Community look at Museveni's politics
from 
a
  different angle.
 
  Matek
 
 
 
  In a message dated 11/25/02 6:21:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Regional
 
   Monday, November 25, 2002  Nairobi-Kenya
   -
   'Congo Rebels Using
   Ugandan Child Soldiers'By KEVIN J. KELLEY
   SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
   CHINA KEITETSI has a vision of a big room in Africa filled with
computers,
  books and paintings a place where former child soldiers can learn in
safety.
   Ms Keitetsi would also like psychologists to be in the room to
reassure
the
  children, because, she says, they get ashamed when they talk about
who
raped
  them.
   It is Ms Keitetsi's dream to create rooms like this in Rwanda,
Sierra
Leone
  and other war-ravaged African countries with the proceeds from a
book 
she
has

Re: ugnet_: 'Congo Rebels Using Ugandan Child Soldiers' -East African 25/11/2...

2002-11-25 Thread Matekopoko
Fellow Citizens:

Ms Keitetsi's book shows in very glaring picture some of the atrocities the 
NRM committed and continues to commit against the people of Uganda; both 
during Yoweri Museveni's Bush wars of the 1980's upto the present day.

Those members of the International Community who are interested in the people 
and history of our country better take Ms. Keitetsi's book very very 
seriously. 


As a matter of fact, there are very many Ms. Keitetsis out there who, given 
the opportunity, are very much willing to tell, rather, reveal all to the 
world about the true nature of  Yoweri Museveni and his NRM.

In fact, I highly recommend Ms. Keitetsis book as a required  reading  for 
most Ugandans, Friends of Uganda, and members of the International Community.

Keitetsi's book reveals the other side of the story, so to say. It does help 
members of the International Community look at Museveni's politics from a 
different angle.

Matek



In a message dated 11/25/02 6:21:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Regional  
 
 Monday, November 25, 2002  Nairobi-Kenya
 -
 'Congo Rebels Using 
 Ugandan Child Soldiers'By KEVIN J. KELLEY 
 SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT 
 CHINA KEITETSI has a vision of a big room in Africa filled with computers, 
books and paintings a place where former child soldiers can learn in safety. 
 Ms Keitetsi would also like psychologists to be in the room to reassure the 
children, because, she says, they get ashamed when they talk about who raped 
them.  
 It is Ms Keitetsi's dream to create rooms like this in Rwanda, Sierra Leone 
and other war-ravaged African countries with the proceeds from a book she has 
written about her experiences as a child soldier in Uganda.  
 She says she was abducted in 1984, at age eight, into the National 
Resistance Army commanded by then rebel leader Yoweri Museveni. For the next 
11 years, until her escape to South Africa, Ms Keitetsi says she was 
brutalised psychologically and sexually. 
 My childhood was taken from me and I can never get that back, she told The 
EastAfrican in a recent interview.  
 The autobiography ranks high on bestseller lists in Germany, where it was 
published under the title, They Took Away My Mother and Gave Me a Gun. 
 In its English-language edition, published by Jacana of South Africa, the 
book is called My Life as a Child Soldier. 
 Ms Keitetsi, now 26 years old, is touring the United States to call 
attention to the desperation of children forced to fight in adults' wars. She 
says her advocacy is not aimed specifically at the Ugandan government though 
she does accuse it of still using child soldiers but at the child torture 
that goes on in many parts of this world. 
 The United Nations estimates that as many as 300,000 children may be serving 
in armies in more than a dozen countries in Africa and Asia.  
 During a trip to New York earlier this year, Ms Keitetsi met at the UN with 
Secretary-General Kofi Annan and with two former presidents – Nelson Mandela 
and Bill Clinton. 
 She recently addressed an audience at Harvard University and will travel to 
Washington this week for meetings with a leading African-American lobbying 
group.  
 Ms Keitetsi tells Americans that the United States should put pressure on 
every rebel leader and every government that uses child soldiers.  
 Her crusade is not being well received by powerful figures in Uganda. They 
recognise that Ms Keitetsi's harrowing life story could tarnish the generally 
positive reputation that President Museveni enjoys in the West. 
 Perhaps especially vexing to the authorities is Keitetsi's claim that 
Ugandan children are still being forced to serve as soldiers not just by the 
anti-government Lord's Resistance Army, but on behalf of a rebel group in 
Congo supported by President Museveni's government. 
 The government-owned New Vision newspaper has challenged aspects of Ms 
Keitetsi's account, quoting two officers in the Ugandan People's Defence 
Forces who charged that she never fought in bush battles on the side of 
Museveni's guerrilla force.  
 Ms Keitetsi has not been to Uganda since fleeing the country in 1995, and 
I'm really scared to go back, she says. 
 My government has taken personally everything I've said. To go back would 
be like putting my head in the mouth of a hungry lion. 
 Not all Ugandans are critical of her book and her activism, however. She 
says that some Ugandans who know about the situation have sent e-mails via 
her website – www.xchildsoldier.org – expressing support for her efforts. 
 These are the words that make me go on, Ms Keitetsi says.  
 Now that she has found her voice, it appears unlikely that Ms Keitetsi will 
be silenced.  
 She says that after taking up residence in Denmark three years ago as a 
UN-sponsored refugee, she was at first unable to talk with counsellors about 
her experiences. But she did begin to tell her story privately on tape, and 
it was those 

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2002-11-25 Thread Ed Kironde
This Child soldier's story had so many holes and her book would interest
those who enjoy fiction

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Fellow Citizens:

Ms Keitetsi's book shows in very glaring picture some of the atrocities
the 
NRM committed and continues to commit against the people of Uganda; both

during Yoweri Museveni's Bush wars of the 1980's upto the present day.

Those members of the International Community who are interested in the
people 
and history of our country better take Ms. Keitetsi's book very very 
seriously. 


As a matter of fact, there are very many Ms. Keitetsis out there who,
given 
the opportunity, are very much willing to tell, rather, reveal all to
the 
world about the true nature of  Yoweri Museveni and his NRM.

In fact, I highly recommend Ms. Keitetsis book as a required  reading
for 
most Ugandans, Friends of Uganda, and members of the International
Community.

Keitetsi's book reveals the other side of the story, so to say. It does
help 
members of the International Community look at Museveni's politics from
a 
different angle.

Matek



In a message dated 11/25/02 6:21:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Regional  
 
 Monday, November 25, 2002  Nairobi-Kenya
 -
 'Congo Rebels Using 
 Ugandan Child Soldiers'By KEVIN J. KELLEY 
 SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT 
 CHINA KEITETSI has a vision of a big room in Africa filled with
computers, 
books and paintings a place where former child soldiers can learn in
safety. 
 Ms Keitetsi would also like psychologists to be in the room to reassure
the 
children, because, she says, they get ashamed when they talk about who
raped 
them.  
 It is Ms Keitetsi's dream to create rooms like this in Rwanda, Sierra
Leone 
and other war-ravaged African countries with the proceeds from a book
she has 
written about her experiences as a child soldier in Uganda.  
 She says she was abducted in 1984, at age eight, into the National 
Resistance Army commanded by then rebel leader Yoweri Museveni. For the
next 
11 years, until her escape to South Africa, Ms Keitetsi says she was 
brutalised psychologically and sexually. 
 My childhood was taken from me and I can never get that back, she
told The 
EastAfrican in a recent interview.  
 The autobiography ranks high on bestseller lists in Germany, where it
was 
published under the title, They Took Away My Mother and Gave Me a Gun. 
 In its English-language edition, published by Jacana of South Africa,
the 
book is called My Life as a Child Soldier. 
 Ms Keitetsi, now 26 years old, is touring the United States to call 
attention to the desperation of children forced to fight in adults'
wars. She 
says her advocacy is not aimed specifically at the Ugandan government
though 
she does accuse it of still using child soldiers but at the child
torture 
that goes on in many parts of this world. 
 The United Nations estimates that as many as 300,000 children may be
serving 
in armies in more than a dozen countries in Africa and Asia.  
 During a trip to New York earlier this year, Ms Keitetsi met at the UN
with 
Secretary-General Kofi Annan and with two former presidents – Nelson
Mandela 
and Bill Clinton. 
 She recently addressed an audience at Harvard University and will
travel to 
Washington this week for meetings with a leading African-American
lobbying 
group.  
 Ms Keitetsi tells Americans that the United States should put pressure
on 
every rebel leader and every government that uses child soldiers.  
 Her crusade is not being well received by powerful figures in Uganda.
They 
recognise that Ms Keitetsi's harrowing life story could tarnish the
generally 
positive reputation that President Museveni enjoys in the West. 
 Perhaps especially vexing to the authorities is Keitetsi's claim that 
Ugandan children are still being forced to serve as soldiers not just
by the 
anti-government Lord's Resistance Army, but on behalf of a rebel group
in 
Congo supported by President Museveni's government. 
 The government-owned New Vision newspaper has challenged aspects of Ms 
Keitetsi's account, quoting two officers in the Ugandan People's Defence

Forces who charged that she never fought in bush battles on the side of 
Museveni's guerrilla force.  
 Ms Keitetsi has not been to Uganda since fleeing the country in 1995,
and 
I'm really scared to go back, she says. 
 My government has taken personally everything I've said. To go back
would 
be like putting my head in the mouth of a hungry lion. 
 Not all Ugandans are critical of her book and her activism, however.
She 
says that some Ugandans who know about the situation have sent e-mails
via 
her website – www.xchildsoldier.org – expressing support for her
efforts