ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's
Mwaami Kironde I am very sorry for you have decided to twist my posting to your usual two liners, and this was not the purpose when I responded to Mwaami Ssemakula's posting. First of all I think that if you see that I have come in the defence of my neighbour Munini Mulera, that should be enough to tell you that I have seen that we are taking a wrong road, and Mwami Ssemakula's posting was doing nothing but exactly that. For as you are stating in your own posting, Uganda society has a community, and that community makes decisions depending on what has happened to it, or to what has been done to it. Let us go back to Uganda's history. Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today? I mean doesn't it bother you why a man who was over thrown out of power some 20 plus years ago, is still very powerful in Uganda politics today? NRM has made it a point to fight him not factually but by tarnishing his name. You as a member of fednet know full well how DP has used federalism to get the Buganda vote, and they have done that by not discussing federalism but by attacking UPC and Obote day in and day out. As we speak today, Federalists are eating crow, but Obote is still in exile and very quite. When NRM came to power, they knew full well that if they put a free election in Uganda, Ugandans were going to elect several UPC members, so they went into the log book and got a new chapter, let us attack UPC morally and then put all elections in the public. For the record, the reason why NRM's first election was to stand behind your candidate, was to see who will elect a UPC member, and then as in Luwero NRM would come at night and kill you. It was to pin point. It is amazing that to today Obote has more supporters in Uganda than any other political leader. If you do not believe me put a free and fair election in Uganda today and you will be amazed, infact even NRM knows this that is why we will never have a democratic election untill when Museveni gets a kidney stone problem. But it is important for you Mwaami Kironde to understand that this is not due to the hard work of Obote, it is due to the trust Ugandans have in the man. Go home and ask Ugandans, why they go to Kampala road and sing UPC when they know that they are going to be shot by NRM at spot. They will tell you that the man is worth the trust. So population is a very important factor in our nations. You can do good and the population will never forget, you become a killer and population will never forget. And that is why my reasoning last night to Mwami Ssemakula was very simple, if Mwaami Muniini Mulera is wrong, we do not need Mwami Ssemakula to defend Buganda. For the jury of the Ugandan society is out there, and if Buganda has been part and parcel in the sufferings of the population in Northern Uganda, trust me Northerners know. And I can add this as well that if Buganda has been suffering together with the North, Buganda can even make a long term political understanding with North, even in things like federalism creation. But if we got a killer in Kampala and we joined the calling our fellow Ugandans "Biological substance" those are facts which will never go away, and the departure of Museveni will only tell us how much damage we have done to our selves and our nation. So do not even bother defending Buganda, Buganda's defence is only one. Her actions when Ugandans are buried day and night. Let me move quickly, you of all people in these forums know me as a person who respects the dead, and I have gone out of my way to see that Ugandans are buried with respect as much as possible. But one mistake I do not do, I do not clean up people's names. When any body dies his actions go with him. And we must be very careful that we do not turn the respect of the dead into covering the killers. Here I come to your sentence and I quote " As a politician, and am sure you have a handful following in your community, what would be the intention of portraying the late Cardinal Nsubuga as a murderer?" Mwaami Kironde you are destroying this discussion, for what many people in these forums do when they read such a statement, is to make only one decision. I am not going to be involved into such nonsense, then we in essence loose what we would have learned. Yes I know many of our members who just said, we have enough things to do with our time forget Uganda forums for there is nothing good we can get out of it. Kironde is Matek portraying cardinal Nsubuga as a murderer? Of what value is it to Matek? Cardinal Nsubuga for the record is dead and was buried. What value would it be of Matek to attack this man? In all Ugandans who have played a part in our politics, why did he only comment about Nsubuga? Why not other Baganda, even those who were KYs? Why Cardinal Nsubuga? Mwaami Kionde Cardinal Nsubuga played a very big part into the creation of the killer government we have
Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's
Ha, ha ha ha ! This was funny ! Mulindwa asks: "Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today?" Which Uganda are you talking about ? I think you have been out of Uganda so long that you have completely lost any contact to reality. You are still suffering from delusions that we are in early 80s and your man is still lording it out on us. You are right though, when you say: 'you become a killer and population will never forget'. That's exactly what has happened with your man in Lusaka. Kasangwawo From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:04:26 -0400 Mwaami Kironde I am very sorry for you have decided to twist my posting to your usual two liners, and this was not the purpose when I responded to Mwaami Ssemakula's posting. First of all I think that if you see that I have come in the defence of my neighbour Munini Mulera, that should be enough to tell you that I have seen that we are taking a wrong road, and Mwami Ssemakula's posting was doing nothing but exactly that. For as you are stating in your own posting, Uganda society has a community, and that community makes decisions depending on what has happened to it, or to what has been done to it. Let us go back to Uganda's history. Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today? I mean doesn't it bother you why a man who was over thrown out of power some 20 plus years ago, is still very powerful in Uganda politics today? NRM has made it a point to fight him not factually but by tarnishing his name. You as a member of fednet know full well how DP has used federalism to get the Buganda vote, and they have done that by not discussing federalism but by attacking UPC and Obote day in and day out. As we speak today, Federalists are eating crow, but Obote is still in exile and very quite. When NRM came to power, they knew full well that if they put a free election in Uganda, Ugandans were going to elect several UPC members, so they went into the log book and got a new chapter, let us attack UPC morally and then put all elections in the public. For the record, the reason why NRM's first election was to stand behind your candidate, was to see who will elect a UPC member, and then as in Luwero NRM would come at night and kill you. It was to pin point. It is amazing that to today Obote has more supporters in Uganda than any other political leader. If you do not believe me put a free and fair election in Uganda today and you will be amazed, infact even NRM knows this that is why we will never have a democratic election untill when Museveni gets a kidney stone problem. But it is important for you Mwaami Kironde to understand that this is not due to the hard work of Obote, it is due to the trust Ugandans have in the man. Go home and ask Ugandans, why they go to Kampala road and sing UPC when they know that they are going to be shot by NRM at spot. They will tell you that the man is worth the trust. So population is a very important factor in our nations. You can do good and the population will never forget, you become a killer and population will never forget. And that is why my reasoning last night to Mwami Ssemakula was very simple, if Mwaami Muniini Mulera is wrong, we do not need Mwami Ssemakula to defend Buganda. For the jury of the Ugandan society is out there, and if Buganda has been part and parcel in the sufferings of the population in Northern Uganda, trust me Northerners know. And I can add this as well that if Buganda has been suffering together with the North, Buganda can even make a long term political understanding with North, even in things like federalism creation. But if we got a killer in Kampala and we joined the calling our fellow Ugandans "Biological substance" those are facts which will never go away, and the departure of Museveni will only tell us how much damage we have done to our selves and our nation. So do not even bother defending Buganda, Buganda's defence is only one. Her actions when Ugandans are buried day and night. Let me move quickly, you of all people in these forums know me as a person who respects the dead, and I have gone out of my way to see that Ugandans are buried with respect as much as possible. But one mistake I do not do, I do not clean up people's names. When any body dies his actions go with him. And we must be very careful that we do not turn the respect of the dead into covering the killers. Here I come to your sentence and I quote " As a politician, and am sure you have a handful following in your community, what would be the intention of portraying the late Cardinal Nsubuga
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Mulindwa you attribute a lot of statements, occurances and situations to people without proof or evidence, like saying that Cardinal Nsubuga reached some agreement with President Museveni on Catholics' participation in Mengo affairs...what rubbish. You seem to be impling that Catholics cannot participate in Mengo affairs on their own merit. About your proposed UPC and Buganda aliance...you seem to conveniently forget, that once upon atime in Uganda's history, such an alliance was concocted and we of course know the unfortunate resultsthe Baganda ended up with the short end of the stick and the subsequent murderous rein of the UPCtalk about lightning striking twice, GOD FORBID. From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:22:37 + Ha, ha ha ha ! This was funny ! Mulindwa asks: "Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today?" Which Uganda are you talking about ? I think you have been out of Uganda so long that you have completely lost any contact to reality. You are still suffering from delusions that we are in early 80s and your man is still lording it out on us. You are right though, when you say: 'you become a killer and population will never forget'. That's exactly what has happened with your man in Lusaka. Kasangwawo From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:04:26 -0400 Mwaami Kironde I am very sorry for you have decided to twist my posting to your usual two liners, and this was not the purpose when I responded to Mwaami Ssemakula's posting. First of all I think that if you see that I have come in the defence of my neighbour Munini Mulera, that should be enough to tell you that I have seen that we are taking a wrong road, and Mwami Ssemakula's posting was doing nothing but exactly that. For as you are stating in your own posting, Uganda society has a community, and that community makes decisions depending on what has happened to it, or to what has been done to it. Let us go back to Uganda's history. Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today? I mean doesn't it bother you why a man who was over thrown out of power some 20 plus years ago, is still very powerful in Uganda politics today? NRM has made it a point to fight him not factually but by tarnishing his name. You as a member of fednet know full well how DP has used federalism to get the Buganda vote, and they have done that by not discussing federalism but by attacking UPC and Obote day in and day out. As we speak today, Federalists are eating crow, but Obote is still in exile and very quite. When NRM came to power, they knew full well that if they put a free election in Uganda, Ugandans were going to elect several UPC members, so they went into the log book and got a new chapter, let us attack UPC morally and then put all elections in the public. For the record, the reason why NRM's first election was to stand behind your candidate, was to see who will elect a UPC member, and then as in Luwero NRM would come at night and kill you. It was to pin point. It is amazing that to today Obote has more supporters in Uganda than any other political leader. If you do not believe me put a free and fair election in Uganda today and you will be amazed, infact even NRM knows this that is why we will never have a democratic election untill when Museveni gets a kidney stone problem. But it is important for you Mwaami Kironde to understand that this is not due to the hard work of Obote, it is due to the trust Ugandans have in the man. Go home and ask Ugandans, why they go to Kampala road and sing UPC when they know that they are going to be shot by NRM at spot. They will tell you that the man is worth the trust. So population is a very important factor in our nations. You can do good and the population will never forget, you become a killer and population will never forget. And that is why my reasoning last night to Mwami Ssemakula was very simple, if Mwaami Muniini Mulera is wrong, we do not need Mwami Ssemakula to defend Buganda. For the jury of the Ugandan society is out there, and if Buganda has been part and parcel in the sufferings of the population in Northern Uganda, trust me Northerners know. And I can add this as well that if Buganda has been suffering together with the North, Buganda can even make a long term political understanding with North, even in things like federalism creation. But if we got a killer in Kampala and we joined
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Mwaami Musaazi Not only my heart, but the hearts of all understanding Ugandans, goes for the Baganda who have got nothing out of Uganda but to be victims. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's > Mulindwa you attribute a lot of statements, occurances and situations to > people without proof or evidence, like saying that Cardinal Nsubuga reached > some agreement with President Museveni on Catholics' participation in Mengo > affairs...what rubbish. You seem to be impling that Catholics cannot > participate in Mengo affairs on their own merit. About your proposed UPC and > Buganda aliance...you seem to conveniently forget, that once upon atime in > Uganda's history, such an alliance was concocted and we of course know the > unfortunate resultsthe Baganda ended up with the short end of the stick > and the subsequent murderous rein of the UPCtalk about lightning > striking twice, GOD FORBID. > > > >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami > >Kironde's > >Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:22:37 + > > > >Ha, ha ha ha ! This was funny ! > > > >Mulindwa asks: > >"Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda > >today?" > > > >Which Uganda are you talking about ? I think you have been out of Uganda so > >long that you have completely lost any contact to reality. You are still > >suffering from delusions that we are in early 80s and your man is still > >lording it out on us. You are right though, when you say: 'you become a > >killer and population will never forget'. That's exactly what has happened > >with your man in Lusaka. > > > >Kasangwawo > > > > > >>From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami > >>Kironde's Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:04:26 -0400 > >> > >>Mwaami Kironde > >> > >>I am very sorry for you have decided to twist my posting to your usual two > >>liners, and this was not the purpose when I responded to Mwaami > >>Ssemakula's posting. First of all I think that if you see that I have come > >>in the defence of my neighbour Munini Mulera, that should be enough to > >>tell you that I have seen that we are taking a wrong road, and Mwami > >>Ssemakula's posting was doing nothing but exactly that. For as you are > >>stating in your own posting, Uganda society has a community, and that > >>community makes decisions depending on what has happened to it, or to what > >>has been done to it. Let us go back to Uganda's history. > >>Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda > >>today? I mean doesn't it bother you why a man who was over thrown out of > >>power some 20 plus years ago, is still very powerful in Uganda politics > >>today? NRM has made it a point to fight him not factually but by > >>tarnishing his name. You as a member of fednet know full well how DP has > >>used federalism to get the Buganda vote, and they have done that by not > >>discussing federalism but by attacking UPC and Obote day in and day out. > >>As we speak today, Federalists are eating crow, but Obote is still in > >>exile and very quite. When NRM came to power, they knew full well that if > >>they put a free election in Uganda, Ugandans were going to elect several > >>UPC members, so they went into the log book and got a new chapter, let us > >>attack UPC morally and then put all elections in the public. For the > >>record, the reason why NRM's first election was to stand behind your > >>candidate, was to see who will elect a UPC member, and then as in Luwero > >>NRM would come at night and kill you. It was to pin point. It is amazing > >>that to today Obote has more supporters in Uganda than any other political > >>leader. If you do not
