ugnet_: Kanyeihamba on the Phantom Arms ofthe1960s, Ibingira and theConspiracies
Netters Some times there is a point where some arguments cause people to wonder. For some time there has been people including my self who have gone out of our way to post some historical facts about Uganda. Why did I personally decide to post them? For we have been told all along that Uganda's problem has been only one person President Obote. But Obote was a president of Uganda that is a fact, but how did he play alone in our history? You see fellas, we have a right to hate leaders, but facts will remain fact always. I will not forget how kasangwawo took the argument a step further and he denounced the Uganda Historical writers, In fact he was attacking Hankock if my memory is right, he stated "Those writers who are not even Ugandans were and are working for Obote and UPC, they are wrong and we must start to write our own History" Then I asked my self where is the brain in that head? You see at every point, any body brings in discussing Uganda issues as related to Buganda, Buganda has never been at fault, and Obote and UPC is always at fault. In fact any body who tries to post any point contrally to the belief of the Buganda supporters the answer comes back "You are working for Obote and UPC" Just how much money does Obote and UPC have to employ all of us? Now here we are with Dambisya posting the writings of Kanyeihamba. Kanyeihamba as by Dambisya's posting is the third person to post the same account. He is a Ugandan and he is not a UPC member. In fact let record show that Kanyeihamba was one of the people who started NRM and that is why he was one of the first people to be appointed by Museveni. Is Kanyeihamba working for UPC and Obote as well? What frustrates in his whole exchange, is that the people who have decided to make their ears deaf, fight for Buganda but with out facts. One has sent me a note that Obote has been doing his politics though violence, please let us have the dates and times, he continues Obote threw out a constitution, Yes but how could obote throw out a constitution with out throwing him self out? For he was a President by that same constitution. Now when the other side brings postings with facts and dates to back them, then the old claim comes up, You are all anti Buganda and you are working for Obote and UPC. Can you imagine if the other side would as well state that you are all working for Ssabasajja Mutebi and you are all against Uganda as a state? We live in very strange days indeed. Don't we Em The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: "YOSWA DAMBISYA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "YOSWA DAMBISYA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: ugnet_: Kanyeihamba on the Phantom Arms ofthe1960s, Ibingira and theConspiracies Omw Ssemakula, As I await the evidence which you expect me to dispute in defense of Milton Obote and his part in the 1960s developments, I have been reading "Justice Prof Dr GW Kanyeihamba; LLB, LLM, PhD, JSC, SC" 's recently released book: Constitutional and Political History of Uganda: From 1984 to the Present. I found a section on what he refers to as the "Dramatic Years, 1962-1966" and "The Conspiracies" therein particularly relevant to the issue of the phantom arms. I have attempted to reproduce sections of the book for the edification of those who may not have got hold of the book yet. I apologise for any mistakes that I may have made in the process but are willing to correct them as the discussions proceed. The quotes are taken from pages 88-94. "...By 1965, the divisionist and traditionalist elements had penetrated the party, and acquired active supporters within the rank and file of the party followers**. The party was torn by confusion because many of those voices belonged to some of the most influential leaders of the party* After the successful referendum and successful transfer of the two "Lost Counties" to Bunyoro in 1964, the animosity of Buganda towards the Obote government and UPC escalated. Buganda traditionalists at Mengo begun to exploit all possible political angles with the aim of undermining and eventually removing Obote from power. A political alliance between the Kabaka, his ministers and disgruntled elements within UPC was reached. The latter included and was led by the then Minister of Justice, Grace Ibingira, who was at the same time, the Secretary General of UPC. He had **Balaki Kirya, George Magezi and Dr Emmanuel Lumu, who were also Cabinet Ministers in Obote's government*.. " In conjunction with the Mengo traditionalists and with the consent of the President, Edward Mutesa II, the King
ugnet_: Kanyeihamba on the Phantom Arms ofthe1960s, Ibingira and theConspiracies
Omw Ssemakula, As I await the evidence which you expect me to dispute in defense of Milton Obote and his part in the 1960s developments, I have been reading "Justice Prof Dr GW Kanyeihamba; LLB, LLM, PhD, JSC, SC" 's recently released book: Constitutional and Political History of Uganda: From 1984 to the Present. I found a section on what he refers to as the "Dramatic Years, 1962-1966" and "The Conspiracies" therein particularly relevant to the issue of the phantom arms. I have attempted to reproduce sections of the book for the edification of those who may not have got hold of the book yet. I apologise for any mistakes that I may have made in the process but are willing to correct them as the discussions proceed. The quotes are taken from pages 88-94. "...By 1965, the divisionist and traditionalist elements had penetrated the party, and acquired active supporters within the rank and file of the party followers**. The party was torn by confusion because many of those voices belonged to some of the most influential leaders of the party* After the successful referendum and successful transfer of the two "Lost Counties" to Bunyoro in 1964, the animosity of Buganda towards the Obote government and UPC escalated. Buganda traditionalists at Mengo begun to exploit all possible political angles with the aim of undermining and eventually removing Obote from power. A political alliance between the Kabaka, his ministers and disgruntled elements within UPC was reached. The latter included and was led by the then Minister of Justice, Grace Ibingira, who was at the same time, the Secretary General of UPC. He had **Balaki Kirya, George Magezi and Dr Emmanuel Lumu, who were also Cabinet Ministers in Obote's government*.. " In conjunction with the Mengo traditionalists and with the consent of the President, Edward Mutesa II, the King of Buganda, the conspirators approved the contents of a letter which was sent to Her Majesty, Elizabeth II, the Queen of the United Kingdom and Head of the Commonwealth, requesting her government to supply them with guns so that they could fight and overthrow Milton Obote***.. Her Majesty declined the request. " The conspirators next turned to the British High Commission in Uganda and requested it to get in touch with British private firms of gun manufacturers and ask them to supply guns. Gailey and Roberts**.. were contacted but they too declined to assist the conspiracy, but somehow through some other means, which have not been revealed by anyone, the conspirators managed to get hold of some guns and ammunition. This first part of the conspiracy, which was purely military was then truly set. " The next stage of the conspiracy was political. King Mutesa and the first group of conspirators began to persuade others from Central Government, Parliament and the opposition groups to join them in the mission of overthrowing the Obote government. Part of the plans to discredit that Government was for the Opposition group in Parliament to bring charges and allegations of corruption and abuse of power against Obote and his close associates so as to debate a motion of a Vote of No Confidence in Obote and pass it in Parliament. An interesting phenomenon developed*** People who had been entrusted with maintenance of the Westminster model of democracy in Uganda were now dissenting from their own party policies..They would eat their cake and have it a the same time. They kept their ministerial portfolios thus flattering the Prime Minister, while at the same time working secretly for his downfall. " The feudalists and traditionalists who joined the conspiracy had thought that they had lost so much under Obote. The dignity and grandeur of traditionalism required a government that respected the rulers, chiefs and the proprietary rights of the privileged few in the country. The Obote Government was radical; at least it claimed to be***..the Obote Government was putting common people above the traditional rulers and their henchmen. This trend had to be stopped by the creation of a government which would owe allegiance to the country's traditional groups rather than to the masses. " The third conspiracy was supposed to be inspired and led by the Prime Minister himself. According to his accusers, who included Mutesa himself, this group had as their motives, the destruction of the Independence Constitution, the establishment of a leftist dictatorship, the undermining of Uganda's ancient traditions and customs and the take-over by the state of personal property which had been built through individual private enterprise. " A study of the events at that time reveals sufficient evidence to suggest that the first and second conspiracies existed in one form or another. We shall discuss the third conspiracy first. There is no doubt that the UPC always claimed to be radical and socialist**the party claimed to represent the masses of Ugand
