[uknof] Preferred legal firm
Hi, Bit of a left-of-field email, but hopefully someone on this list will be able to make a recommendation. We're looking to get our TCs pack redone and we're looking for a legal firm who has experience working with ISPs, specifically hosting companies. Has anybody had any positive experience they can share? Thanks in advance, Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[uknof] Drop shipping CPE routers
Hi all, Any recommendations for companies that drop ship CPE routers pre-configured? Thanks. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry.
Re: [uknof] Preferred legal firm
On 20/01/2014 11:09, Simon Green wrote: Hi, Bit of a left-of-field email, but hopefully someone on this list will be able to make a recommendation. We're looking to get our TCs pack redone and we're looking for a legal firm who has experience working with ISPs, specifically hosting companies. Has anybody had any positive experience they can share? Thanks in advance, Simon I, and others of this parish have used Wallace LLP, and David Judah in particular, for lots of commercial legal stuff involving internet companies and can thoroughly recommend them. *Wallace LLP* One Portland Place London W1B 1PN Tel +44 (0) 20 7636 4422 Fax +44 (0) 20 7636 3736 DX 82990 Mayfair Steve
Re: [uknof] Preferred legal firm
On 01/20/2014 06:18 AM, Zoë O'Connell wrote: Probably depends who in any large firm you get, but Olswang seemed clued-up. Named in a court order by them once when a customer was naughty and was impressed enough with their work to subsequently use them ourselves. Didn't have to explain Mere Conduit to them and their advice on OFCOM and DPA regulatory issues kept senior management happy and off my back. Well, they've been doing it long enough, so ought to have some clue - we used them for the first set of PIPEX TCs back in 92 Keith
Re: [uknof] Preferred legal firm
Olswang for sure Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jan 2014, at 11:13, Simon Green si...@wirehive.net wrote: Hi, Bit of a left-of-field email, but hopefully someone on this list will be able to make a recommendation. We're looking to get our TCs pack redone and we're looking for a legal firm who has experience working with ISPs, specifically hosting companies. Has anybody had any positive experience they can share? Thanks in advance, Simon
Re: [uknof] Preferred legal firm
On 20/01/2014 11:50, Neil J. McRae wrote: Olswang for sure Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jan 2014, at 11:13, Simon Green si...@wirehive.net wrote: Hi, Bit of a left-of-field email, but hopefully someone on this list will be able to make a recommendation. We're looking to get our TCs pack redone and we're looking for a legal firm who has experience working with ISPs, specifically hosting companies. Has anybody had any positive experience they can share? Amusingly I recently used Wallace and Olswang were the opposition. They retreated licking their wounds, but to be fair that could have been their client's fault.. Steve
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I know of a different result in a similiar fight. Neil Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jan 2014, at 12:01, Steve Dyer st...@enovi.com wrote: On 20/01/2014 11:50, Neil J. McRae wrote: Olswang for sure Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jan 2014, at 11:13, Simon Green si...@wirehive.net wrote: Hi, Bit of a left-of-field email, but hopefully someone on this list will be able to make a recommendation. We're looking to get our TCs pack redone and we're looking for a legal firm who has experience working with ISPs, specifically hosting companies. Has anybody had any positive experience they can share? Amusingly I recently used Wallace and Olswang were the opposition. They retreated licking their wounds, but to be fair that could have been their client's fault.. Steve
Re: [uknof] Preferred legal firm
Hi Steve, We use Brodies for our Ofcom ones: http://www.surevoip.co.uk/about/terms-conditions They have a department for this. Not too pricey. Thanks. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry.
Re: [uknof] Preferred legal firm
Thanks all for the flurry of replies! (Both on and off list) Given us a great list to contact. For those interested, the names suggested, in order of number of recommendations, are: * Olswang * Wallace * Brodies * Laytons Simon On 20/01/2014 11:09, Simon Green wrote: Hi, Bit of a left-of-field email, but hopefully someone on this list will be able to make a recommendation. We're looking to get our TCs pack redone and we're looking for a legal firm who has experience working with ISPs, specifically hosting companies. Has anybody had any positive experience they can share? Thanks in advance, Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[uknof] Equipment in customs
Hello all, So I have a strange question but am hopeful that someone on here might be able to help... We (as in the Internet Society) are trying to donate some routers to ASREN and WACREN (research education networks for the Arab States and West and Central Africa). The routers were donated to us by one of our Organisation Members in the US. The first PoP is going in at London so we shipped the equipment to the UK from the US, before this we received clearance from the US Dept of Commerce (no licenses needed), but now the equipment is sitting in customs in the UK. UK customs have said that unless ASREN and WACREN pay VAT for the equipment or present a VAT exempt certificate the routers will be sent back to the US. The data centre involved has suggested that we pay the VAT and use an organisation to reclaim the VAT, that organisation then takes 27% of the money for their fees - so that's not a possibility for us. So we're sort of at an impasse now and don't know how to help get the equipment released and I guess I was hoping there might be someone on here who has experienced anything similar to this and could offer some advice? To conclude the equipment is donated, for non commercial use and is being donated to not-for-profit organisations. There should be a solution! Oh and we have until Friday. So any help much appreciated! Cheers, Emma
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
All of that is largely irrelevant unfortunately. What was the declared value of the equipment when posted? Neil Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jan 2014, at 13:41, Emma Frost ebrether...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So I have a strange question but am hopeful that someone on here might be able to help... We (as in the Internet Society) are trying to donate some routers to ASREN and WACREN (research education networks for the Arab States and West and Central Africa). The routers were donated to us by one of our Organisation Members in the US. The first PoP is going in at London so we shipped the equipment to the UK from the US, before this we received clearance from the US Dept of Commerce (no licenses needed), but now the equipment is sitting in customs in the UK. UK customs have said that unless ASREN and WACREN pay VAT for the equipment or present a VAT exempt certificate the routers will be sent back to the US. The data centre involved has suggested that we pay the VAT and use an organisation to reclaim the VAT, that organisation then takes 27% of the money for their fees - so that's not a possibility for us. So we're sort of at an impasse now and don't know how to help get the equipment released and I guess I was hoping there might be someone on here who has experienced anything similar to this and could offer some advice? To conclude the equipment is donated, for non commercial use and is being donated to not-for-profit organisations. There should be a solution! Oh and we have until Friday. So any help much appreciated! Cheers, Emma
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
On 20 January 2014 13:40, Emma Frost ebrether...@gmail.com wrote: The routers were donated to us by one of our Organisation Members in the US. other not-acting-as-lawyers on list can probably comment on whether charities can receive goods and not pay import duties and VAT, but I suspect you can't avoid them. what's the lowest possible valuation you can put on the equipment? look on ebay for completed listings. If you can show the items have only residual value, then HRMC might be persuaded to release the goods without further ado.
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
Well the bill for the VAT is £20,820. I believe the retail value of the equipment was given as approx $170k. Is there some kind of limit for how much a donation can be worth? Cheers, Emma On 20 January 2014 13:47, Neil J. McRae n...@domino.org wrote: All of that is largely irrelevant unfortunately. What was the declared value of the equipment when posted? Neil Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jan 2014, at 13:41, Emma Frost ebrether...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So I have a strange question but am hopeful that someone on here might be able to help... We (as in the Internet Society) are trying to donate some routers to ASREN and WACREN (research education networks for the Arab States and West and Central Africa). The routers were donated to us by one of our Organisation Members in the US. The first PoP is going in at London so we shipped the equipment to the UK from the US, before this we received clearance from the US Dept of Commerce (no licenses needed), but now the equipment is sitting in customs in the UK. UK customs have said that unless ASREN and WACREN pay VAT for the equipment or present a VAT exempt certificate the routers will be sent back to the US. The data centre involved has suggested that we pay the VAT and use an organisation to reclaim the VAT, that organisation then takes 27% of the money for their fees - so that's not a possibility for us. So we're sort of at an impasse now and don't know how to help get the equipment released and I guess I was hoping there might be someone on here who has experienced anything similar to this and could offer some advice? To conclude the equipment is donated, for non commercial use and is being donated to not-for-profit organisations. There should be a solution! Oh and we have until Friday. So any help much appreciated! Cheers, Emma
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
The fact that its a donation is irrelevant - this is about the value of the equipment. I suspect you are going to have to have the kit sent back. Once the kit is valued typically customs don't care what your sob, or otherwise, story is. They won't release it without the dosh. Once its back then value it as $50 and send it back, then you should have no problems. I suspect any other route will cost you as much as the VAT/DUTY that's done. Neil. From: Emma Frost ebrether...@gmail.commailto:ebrether...@gmail.com Reply-To: ebrether...@gmail.commailto:ebrether...@gmail.com ebrether...@gmail.commailto:ebrether...@gmail.com Date: Monday, 20 January 2014 13:52 To: Neil J. McRae n...@domino.orgmailto:n...@domino.org Cc: uk...@uknof.org.ukmailto:uk...@uknof.org.uk uk...@uknof.org.ukmailto:uk...@uknof.org.uk Subject: Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs Well the bill for the VAT is £20,820. I believe the retail value of the equipment was given as approx $170k. Is there some kind of limit for how much a donation can be worth? Cheers, Emma On 20 January 2014 13:47, Neil J. McRae n...@domino.orgmailto:n...@domino.org wrote: All of that is largely irrelevant unfortunately. What was the declared value of the equipment when posted? Neil Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jan 2014, at 13:41, Emma Frost ebrether...@gmail.commailto:ebrether...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, So I have a strange question but am hopeful that someone on here might be able to help... We (as in the Internet Society) are trying to donate some routers to ASREN and WACREN (research education networks for the Arab States and West and Central Africa). The routers were donated to us by one of our Organisation Members in the US. The first PoP is going in at London so we shipped the equipment to the UK from the US, before this we received clearance from the US Dept of Commerce (no licenses needed), but now the equipment is sitting in customs in the UK. UK customs have said that unless ASREN and WACREN pay VAT for the equipment or present a VAT exempt certificate the routers will be sent back to the US. The data centre involved has suggested that we pay the VAT and use an organisation to reclaim the VAT, that organisation then takes 27% of the money for their fees - so that's not a possibility for us. So we're sort of at an impasse now and don't know how to help get the equipment released and I guess I was hoping there might be someone on here who has experienced anything similar to this and could offer some advice? To conclude the equipment is donated, for non commercial use and is being donated to not-for-profit organisations. There should be a solution! Oh and we have until Friday. So any help much appreciated! Cheers, Emma
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Emma Frost wrote: We (as in the Internet Society) are trying to donate some routers By any chance, would it be this one? His Excellency Dr. Talal Abu-Ghazaleh, Chairman of ASREN recognizes the donation of the Internet Society and Cisco systems... http://www.asrenorg.net/media/news/338-abu-ghazaleh-recognized-the-donation-of-isoc-and-cisco-systems-for-asren-pop-in-london.html It doesn't mention the actual kit involved, but could be it that the equipment are demo/sample/prototypes that Cisco no longer require. If so, they should be (re-)declared at this actual value. -Paul
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
On 20/01/2014 14:26, Paul Sladen wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Emma Frost wrote: We (as in the Internet Society) are trying to donate some routers By any chance, would it be this one? His Excellency Dr. Talal Abu-Ghazaleh, Chairman of ASREN recognizes the donation of the Internet Society and Cisco systems... http://www.asrenorg.net/media/news/338-abu-ghazaleh-recognized-the-donation-of-isoc-and-cisco-systems-for-asren-pop-in-london.html It doesn't mention the actual kit involved, but could be it that the equipment are demo/sample/prototypes that Cisco no longer require. If so, they should be (re-)declared at this actual value. But in my experience (and we do a lot of importing), getting stuff revalued once HMRC have got their grubby paws into it is next to impossible. Send it back and get it reshipped with Obsolete. No commercial value attached. Use a different shipping company otherwise it will come past the same guy who will recognise it coming back. This may seem ridiculous but will be the simplest approach. Nigel
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
Hi Emma, TALK about History repeating itself! I wonder if you cite this project is part of the TIP project (1975) of Peter Kirstein they might waive the VAT? See slide 24 in http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/p.kirstein/talks/Arpahistorytalk.ppt The VAT Saga By late 1975, Treasury decided VAT on original TIP was payable Could be reversed only by political decision After much more argument,Treasury agreed to my arguments and stated: All present and future imports under this project would be free of VAT and Duty Allowed us to maintain control of project \ ... HMRC might be tough to convince this shipment is part of TIP though.. If you want I am prepared to talk to them if you get in touch with the case details (shipping invoice, case reference, etc) There might just be a glimmer How charities can import goods VAT-free http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/vat/import.htm This looks phrased for a UK registered charity not a US NFP. Worth a call but I am not confident. Christian 07989-386778 Emma Frost wrote: Hello all, So I have a strange question but am hopeful that someone on here might be able to help... We (as in the Internet Society) are trying to donate some routers to ASREN and WACREN (research education networks for the Arab States and West and Central Africa). The routers were donated to us by one of our Organisation Members in the US. The first PoP is going in at London so we shipped the equipment to the UK from the US, before this we received clearance from the US Dept of Commerce (no licenses needed), but now the equipment is sitting in customs in the UK. UK customs have said that unless ASREN and WACREN pay VAT for the equipment or present a VAT exempt certificate the routers will be sent back to the US. The data centre involved has suggested that we pay the VAT and use an organisation to reclaim the VAT, that organisation then takes 27% of the money for their fees - so that's not a possibility for us. So we're sort of at an impasse now and don't know how to help get the equipment released and I guess I was hoping there might be someone on here who has experienced anything similar to this and could offer some advice? To conclude the equipment is donated, for non commercial use and is being donated to not-for-profit organisations. There should be a solution! Oh and we have until Friday. So any help much appreciated! Cheers, Emma
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
On 20/01/2014 14:13, Charl Tintinger wrote: Pending your VAT status you may be able to recover the VAT Import Costs. I have 3D Printing business that is VAT registered and I have successfully claimed Import VAT on kits that we purchase in the USA. Yes, as long as you are VAT registered, you can claim back the VAT, no problem. I think Emma is either not registered or has problems carrying the 20K until the next VAT quarter. Nigel
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
On 20/01/2014 14:37, Christian de Larrinaga wrote: Hi Emma, TALK about History repeating itself! I wonder if you cite this project is part of the TIP project (1975) of Peter Kirstein they might waive the VAT? See slide 24 in http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/p.kirstein/talks/Arpahistorytalk.ppt The VAT Saga By late 1975, Treasury decided VAT on original TIP was payable Could be reversed only by political decision After much more argument,Treasury agreed to my arguments and stated: All present and future imports under this project would be free of VAT and Duty Allowed us to maintain control of project \ ... HMRC might be tough to convince this shipment is part of TIP though.. If you want I am prepared to talk to them if you get in touch with the case details (shipping invoice, case reference, etc) There might just be a glimmer How charities can import goods VAT-free http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/vat/import.htm This looks phrased for a UK registered charity not a US NFP. Worth a call but I am not confident. Don't think this helps. It applies to things like items donated to a charity for the relief of distress and suffering. And as you say, it applies to registered UK charities Nigel
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
But in my experience (and we do a lot of importing), getting stuff revalued once HMRC have got their grubby paws into it is next to impossible. Send it back and get it reshipped with Obsolete. No commercial value attached. Use a different shipping company otherwise it will come past the same guy who will recognise it coming back. Sadly agreed, computer says no otherwise.
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
yup grasping at last straws... Nigel Titley wrote: On 20/01/2014 14:37, Christian de Larrinaga wrote: Hi Emma, TALK about History repeating itself! I wonder if you cite this project is part of the TIP project (1975) of Peter Kirstein they might waive the VAT? See slide 24 in http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/p.kirstein/talks/Arpahistorytalk.ppt The VAT Saga By late 1975, Treasury decided VAT on original TIP was payable Could be reversed only by political decision After much more argument,Treasury agreed to my arguments and stated: All present and future imports under this project would be free of VAT and Duty Allowed us to maintain control of project \ ... HMRC might be tough to convince this shipment is part of TIP though.. If you want I am prepared to talk to them if you get in touch with the case details (shipping invoice, case reference, etc) There might just be a glimmer How charities can import goods VAT-free http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/vat/import.htm This looks phrased for a UK registered charity not a US NFP. Worth a call but I am not confident. Don't think this helps. It applies to things like items donated to a charity for the relief of distress and suffering. And as you say, it applies to registered UK charities Nigel
Re: [uknof] Drop shipping CPE routers
On 20 January 2014 11:42, Gavin Henry ghe...@suretec.co.uk wrote: Hi all, Any recommendations for companies that drop ship CPE routers pre-configured? I would also be interested in this. DW
Re: [uknof] Drop shipping CPE routers
Thanks all! On the phone now with Netlynk. Gavin. On 20 January 2014 16:20, Matthew Hattersley matthew.hatters...@vaioni.com wrote: You might want a chat with http://www.netlynkdirect.com/. We’ve used them before, pretty good automation too. YMMV From: uknof [mailto:uknof-boun...@lists.uknof.org.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Wilson Sent: 20 January 2014 16:17 To: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk Subject: Re: [uknof] Drop shipping CPE routers On 20 January 2014 11:42, Gavin Henry ghe...@suretec.co.uk wrote: Hi all, Any recommendations for companies that drop ship CPE routers pre-configured? I would also be interested in this. DW The information transmitted in and with this email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of the Company. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. Please also note, Vaioni filter incoming email for spam and inappropriate words. Unfortunately this does mean that sometimes genuine messages can be filtered out. Although we take measures to recover such messages, it must not be assumed that an email has been received by us and important communications should always be followed up by a phone call, fax or printed copy. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 824887 E ghe...@suretec.co.uk Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ Suretec Systems is a limited company registered in Scotland. Registered number: SC258005. Registered office: 24 Cormack Park, Rothienorman, Inverurie, Aberdeenshire, AB51 8GL. Subject to disclaimer at http://www.suretecgroup.com/disclaimer.html Do you know we have our own VoIP provider called SureVoIP? See http://www.surevoip.co.uk OpenPGP (GPG/PGP) Public Key: 0x8CFBA8E6 - Import from hkp://subkeys.pgp.net or http://www.suretecgroup.com/0x8CFBA8E6.gpg
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
I love that story always good for a chuckle! Christian de Larrinaga On 20 Jan 2014, at 15:42, Peter KIRSTEIN p.kirst...@cs.ucl.ac.uk wrote: In message 52dd34c2.2070...@firsthand.netyou write: Hi Emma, Christian and Emma, In those days one could do things personally - and it took two years. I had to agree to pay the duty if needed, and it was only when I threatened to export it and then re-import it under the Exchange of Forces Agreement Act that I got my inerview with the Treasury. I doubt if anything like that can happen fast. There are now also the added complication that VAT is related to EC regulations. Peter TALK about History repeating itself! I wonder if you cite this project is part of the TIP project (197 5) of Peter Kirstein they might waive the VAT? See slide 24 in http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/p.kirstein/talks/Arpahistorytalk.p pt The VAT Saga By late 1975, Treasury decided VAT on original TIP was payable Could be reversed only by political decision After much more argument,Treasury agreed to my arguments and stat ed: All present and future imports under this project would be free o f VAT and Duty Allowed us to maintain control of project \ ... HMRC might be tough to convince this shipment is part of TIP though.. If you want I am prepared to talk to them if you get in touch wit h the case details (shipping invoice, case reference, etc) There might just be a glimmer How charities can import goods VAT-free http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/vat/import.htm This looks phrased for a UK registered charity not a US NFP. Wor th a call but I am not confident. Christian 07989-386778 Emma Frost wrote: Hello all, So I have a strange question but am hopeful that someone on her e might be able to help... We (as in the Internet Society) are trying to donate some route rs to ASREN and WACREN (research education networks for the Arab Stat es and West and Central Africa). The routers were donated to us by one of our Organisation Membe rs in the US. The first PoP is going in at London so we shipped the equipment to the UK from the US, before this we received cleara nce from the US Dept of Commerce (no licenses needed), but now the equipment is sitting in customs in the UK. UK customs have said that unless ASREN and WACREN pay VAT for t he equipment or present a VAT exempt certificate the routers will be sent back to the US. The data centre involved has suggested that we pay the VAT and use an organisation to reclaim the VAT, that organisation then takes 2 7% of the money for their fees - so that's not a possibility for us. So we're sort of at an impasse now and don't know how to help g et the equipment released and I guess I was hoping there might be some one on here who has experienced anything similar to this and could off er some advice? To conclude the equipment is donated, for non commercial use an d is being donated to not-for-profit organisations. There should be a solution! Oh and we have until Friday. So any help much appreciated! Cheers, Emma Peter X* *X * Prof Peter Kirstein, CBE Telephone: +44 20 7679 7286 * * Department of Computer ScienceFax:+44 20 7387 1397 * * University College London * * Gower Street, London, WC1E 6BTInternet: kirst...@cs.ucl.ac .uk * * U.K. URL: http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/kirs tein * X* *X
Re: [uknof] Drop shipping CPE routers
What about them nice folks at Provu ? Just a thought . Please excuse typo's/brevity/top posting . Sent from my aql iPhone. On 20 Jan 2014, at 16:21, Gavin Henry ghe...@suretec.co.uk wrote: Thanks all! On the phone now with Netlynk. Gavin. On 20 January 2014 16:20, Matthew Hattersley matthew.hatters...@vaioni.com wrote: You might want a chat with http://www.netlynkdirect.com/. We’ve used them before, pretty good automation too. YMMV From: uknof [mailto:uknof-boun...@lists.uknof.org.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Wilson Sent: 20 January 2014 16:17 To: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk Subject: Re: [uknof] Drop shipping CPE routers On 20 January 2014 11:42, Gavin Henry ghe...@suretec.co.uk wrote: Hi all, Any recommendations for companies that drop ship CPE routers pre-configured? I would also be interested in this. DW The information transmitted in and with this email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of the Company. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. Please also note, Vaioni filter incoming email for spam and inappropriate words. Unfortunately this does mean that sometimes genuine messages can be filtered out. Although we take measures to recover such messages, it must not be assumed that an email has been received by us and important communications should always be followed up by a phone call, fax or printed copy. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 824887 E ghe...@suretec.co.uk Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ Suretec Systems is a limited company registered in Scotland. Registered number: SC258005. Registered office: 24 Cormack Park, Rothienorman, Inverurie, Aberdeenshire, AB51 8GL. Subject to disclaimer at http://www.suretecgroup.com/disclaimer.html Do you know we have our own VoIP provider called SureVoIP? See http://www.surevoip.co.uk OpenPGP (GPG/PGP) Public Key: 0x8CFBA8E6 - Import from hkp://subkeys.pgp.net or http://www.suretecgroup.com/0x8CFBA8E6.gpg
Re: [uknof] Giffgaff SIM - Manchester...
You can get a lost and stolen sim sent out from giffgaff (no capitals!) on next day delivery if needed On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Rob Lister r...@lonap.net wrote: Hello, Has anyone going to Manchester got a spare unactivated Giffgaff SIM with them I can have? My phone somehow went missing between the station and the hotel :-( Cheers, Rob -- Rob Lister r...@lonap.net LONAP Ltd +44 20 3137 8330
Re: [uknof] Giffgaff SIM - Manchester...
It needs to be a giffgaff SIM and has to be in Manchester, so I can transfer my existing number to it online, otherwise gg say it takes working 2-3 days to post me another one, by which time I'll be back in London Where I have a stash of giffgaff SIMs... Just on the offchance somebody's got one sitting in their bag, it'll save a couple of days without my phone number working, and I'll buy beers/pay cash or whatever :) I bought an emergency replacement phone this afternoon in Manchester with a PAYG SIM with different number though... Lost phone is phone locked and SIM locked. Also it can be remotely locked + nuked via Android Device Manager. Was going to wait a bit to see if it turns up or is handed in anywhere (it has/had my business card on the back of it.) Cheers, Rob On Mon, Jan 20 at 6:24:16 PM, Charl Tintinger wrote: You can get a lost and stolen sim sent out from giffgaff (no capitals!) on next day delivery if needed On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Rob Lister r...@lonap.net wrote: Hello, Has anyone going to Manchester got a spare unactivated Giffgaff SIM with them I can have? My phone somehow went missing between the station and the hotel :-( -- Rob Lister r...@lonap.net LONAP Ltd
Re: [uknof] Giffgaff SIM - Manchester...
Well, I work for giffgaff - so I can ask someone to send you sim next day delivery if needed (LS are sent this way) - if someone else can help sooner, than all the better but next day delivery is an option ... On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Rob Lister r...@lonap.net wrote: It needs to be a giffgaff SIM and has to be in Manchester, so I can transfer my existing number to it online, otherwise gg say it takes working 2-3 days to post me another one, by which time I'll be back in London Where I have a stash of giffgaff SIMs... Just on the offchance somebody's got one sitting in their bag, it'll save a couple of days without my phone number working, and I'll buy beers/pay cash or whatever :) I bought an emergency replacement phone this afternoon in Manchester with a PAYG SIM with different number though... Lost phone is phone locked and SIM locked. Also it can be remotely locked + nuked via Android Device Manager. Was going to wait a bit to see if it turns up or is handed in anywhere (it has/had my business card on the back of it.) Cheers, Rob On Mon, Jan 20 at 6:24:16 PM, Charl Tintinger wrote: You can get a lost and stolen sim sent out from giffgaff (no capitals!) on next day delivery if needed On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Rob Lister r...@lonap.net wrote: Hello, Has anyone going to Manchester got a spare unactivated Giffgaff SIM with them I can have? My phone somehow went missing between the station and the hotel :-( -- Rob Lister r...@lonap.net LONAP Ltd
Re: [uknof] Giffgaff SIM - Manchester...
On 20/01/14 18:36, Rob Lister wrote: It needs to be a giffgaff SIM and has to be in Manchester, so I can transfer my existing number to it online, otherwise gg say it takes working 2-3 days to post me another one, by which time I'll be back in London Where I have a stash of giffgaff SIMs... Can you not get giffgaff sims from any newsagent? The one near work has a large selection of sims. Tim
Re: [uknof] Giffgaff SIM - Manchester...
Got a sim for rob. Will be at uknof tomorrow morning with it. Tim Bray On 20 Jan 2014, at 18:36, Rob Lister r...@lonap.net wrote: It needs to be a giffgaff SIM and has to be in Manchester, so I can transfer my existing number to it online, otherwise gg say it takes working 2-3 days to post me another one, by which time I'll be back in London Where I have a stash of giffgaff SIMs... Just on the offchance somebody's got one sitting in their bag, it'll save a couple of days without my phone number working, and I'll buy beers/pay cash or whatever :) I bought an emergency replacement phone this afternoon in Manchester with a PAYG SIM with different number though... Lost phone is phone locked and SIM locked. Also it can be remotely locked + nuked via Android Device Manager. Was going to wait a bit to see if it turns up or is handed in anywhere (it has/had my business card on the back of it.) Cheers, Rob On Mon, Jan 20 at 6:24:16 PM, Charl Tintinger wrote: You can get a lost and stolen sim sent out from giffgaff (no capitals!) on next day delivery if needed On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Rob Lister r...@lonap.net wrote: Hello, Has anyone going to Manchester got a spare unactivated Giffgaff SIM with them I can have? My phone somehow went missing between the station and the hotel :-( -- Rob Lister r...@lonap.net LONAP Ltd
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
The company I work for gets a lot of stuff shipped from the US to the EU, and everything has to first come via .nl before being shipped anywhere else. Stab in the dark: Perhaps the customs charges are lower in the Netherlands, and once inside the EU you are able to ship freely without any, or minimal extra customs/duty charges. Please dont quote me on that last bit though. :-) On 20 January 2014 15:55, Neil J. McRae n...@domino.org wrote: Cisco do still offer this and they charge you for it - it gets routed via Holland. On 20/01/2014 15:43, Keith Mitchell ke...@uknof.org.uk wrote: On 01/20/2014 09:36 AM, Nigel Titley wrote: On 20/01/2014 14:26, Paul Sladen wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Emma Frost wrote: We (as in the Internet Society) are trying to donate some routers By any chance, would it be this one? His Excellency Dr. Talal Abu-Ghazaleh, Chairman of ASREN recognizes the donation of the Internet Society and Cisco systems... http://www.asrenorg.net/media/news/338-abu-ghazaleh-recognized-the-donat ion-of-isoc-and-cisco-systems-for-asren-pop-in-london.html It doesn't mention the actual kit involved, but could be it that the equipment are demo/sample/prototypes that Cisco no longer require. We had a similar issue with significant Cisco donations for F-root at ISC. What Cisco managed to do once, but we never quite figured out how to get repeated, was to have them ship the goods *internally* (i.e. while still Cisco property) to the relevant country through their channels, and have the donation transacted in-country. I don't think the Internet usual suspect who arranged this works for Cisco anymore, however. Keith
Re: [uknof] Equipment in customs
On 20/01/2014 22:40, Tom Storey wrote: The company I work for gets a lot of stuff shipped from the US to the EU, and everything has to first come via .nl before being shipped anywhere else. Stab in the dark: Perhaps the customs charges are lower in the Netherlands, and once inside the EU you are able to ship freely without any, or minimal extra customs/duty charges. When the goods enter the single market you pay VAT on them at the rate set by the country you are entering. If you are VAT registered then the VAT is reclaimed. Duty (as opposed to VAT) is supposed to be harmonised so there is no advantage in the goods entering via any country over any other. I suspect that your company just has the internal structures set up to make importing through one country easier. Nigel
