Re: [uknof] virtualUKNOF on 20th July 2020 - Registrations now open ; Last Call for Presentations

[Nick Hilliard]

Chris Russell wrote on 01/07/2020 17:43:
  This one will be Zoom, funnily enough I had this discussion with Job S 
yesterday about another conference.  Reason for Zoom is specifically at 
this point, we and Bogons both know it and it works for us in webinar mode.


  The point you (and Job yesterday) raise though is valid, we will 
definitely try and look into other conferencing systems. It's a balance 
between time/resources to learn a new system specifically for webinars, 
vs being as open as possible so we can't guarantee we'll have switched 
by a specific time but we will look.


yep, totally get the trade-off here.  In the case of Zoom, the 
functionality and hassle-free setup is great from the point of view of 
conference organisers, but it's pretty frustrating to try to join a 
meeting where the conference organiser has enabled "join from browser" 
and you click on the browser link and it eventually tells you to 
download an installable.  Thanks but no thanks.


  Will add this, for anyone not on the RIPE / LINX future of conferences 
discussion (involving NANOG too) , things like this are being discussed 
- yesterdays catch up was good, lots of information sharing  there are a 
raft of questions right now in terms of how we move forward and what we 
can do attract sponsorship, increase reach and whether being online 
increases diversity. We in this sense being those who run Internet 
conferences. Keep and eye for a post on RIPE labs in the near future on 
this once they've had a chance to write things up.


Great.  I was lurking on that session yesterday (via ipad) and should 
really have brought it up then.


Nick

Re: [uknof] virtualUKNOF on 20th July 2020 - Registrations now open ; Last Call for Presentations

[Brandon Butterworth]

On Wed Jul 01, 2020 at 07:00:42PM +0200, Nishal  Goburdhan wrote:
> On 1 Jul 2020, at 18:28, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> >1.  do they support clientless access or are you stuck with having to 
> >install a local client of some form?

Usually I use only things I control but it's a bit harder in
lock down. The main problem being all my kit is elsewhere so last
time used what I had around at home (desktop, laptop and couple of
ipads to run it) and zoom could be made to create acceptable
assets to make something for youtube later. Zoom was also easy
for the presenters to get right.

At the expense of the presenters having to install a client they
can stream directly to me on my normal Wirecast set up, if I'm
somewhere well connected enough, and I can stream to my own Wowza
server as normal (can do youtube/fb/whatever but we've tried
to keep it away from things people don't like). If it becomes
safer to travel on the tube I might try it out.

> to get around the asinine US ???axis of evil??? mentality, the afrinic 
> team publish their webinars/meetings/blah as a youtube stream

youtube are another axis, no?

brandon

Re: [uknof] virtualUKNOF on 20th July 2020 - Registrations now open ; Last Call for Presentations

[Chris Russell]

>
>
> to get around the asinine US “axis of evil” mentality, the afrinic
> team publish their webinars/meetings/blah as a youtube stream, at the
> time of the event.  this allows joe public to listen in, as anonymously
> as youtube allows.  i’m told you can even comment and ask questions in
> real-time, if you have a google login, but that sort of higher brain
> function escapes me .
>

 .. to continue from the Twitterverse :) ... we're aware of YouTube
streaming, and we're discussing this too - its more a question of folks
making us aware of what they need (why we have feedback after every UKNOF
and the virtual ones)

 Rob Cowan - the social after the last VUKNOF was great to see so many
folks on there - just open chat.  I *believe* our friends at LoNAP have
some plans for the virtual social this time round if they can pull it off
in time, wait and see :)


Chris

Re: [uknof] virtualUKNOF on 20th July 2020 - Registrations now open ; Last Call for Presentations

[Nishal Goburdhan]

On 1 Jul 2020, at 18:28, Nick Hilliard wrote:


Can I ask about two issues which are recurrent across many online 
events at the moment?
1.  do they support clientless access or are you stuck with having to 
install a local client of some form? Zoom seems to require a browser 
plug-in to work on a browser, and these plugins don't work on all 
systems.  By comparison, lots of other online systems support webrtc 
(e.g. uberconference, bluejeans and piles of others).
2.  why does zoom / webex / etc need to know who we are? I really 
don't want the conferencing system to know who I am.



to get around the asinine US “axis of evil” mentality, the afrinic 
team publish their webinars/meetings/blah as a youtube stream, at the 
time of the event.  this allows joe public to listen in, as anonymously 
as youtube allows.  i’m told you can even comment and ask questions in 
real-time, if you have a google login, but that sort of higher brain 
function escapes me ..


-n.

Re: [uknof] virtualUKNOF on 20th July 2020 - Registrations now open ; Last Call for Presentations

[Chris Russell]

Hiya Nick,


> 1.  do they support clientless access or are you stuck with having to
> install a local client of some form? Zoom seems to require a browser
> plug-in to work on a browser, and these plugins don't work on all
> systems.  By comparison, lots of other online systems support webrtc
> (e.g. uberconference, bluejeans and piles of others).
>

 This one will be Zoom, funnily enough I had this discussion with Job S
yesterday about another conference.  Reason for Zoom is specifically at
this point, we and Bogons both know it and it works for us in webinar mode.

 The point you (and Job yesterday) raise though is valid, we will
definitely try and look into other conferencing systems. It's a balance
between time/resources to learn a new system specifically for webinars, vs
being as open as possible so we can't guarantee we'll have switched by a
specific time but we will look.


2.  why does zoom / webex / etc need to know who we are? I really don't
> want the conferencing system to know who I am.
>

 Good question, will leave that one for Denesh. Slopey shoulders as
$formerboss would say :)


> I know these are awkward questions, but if online video conferences are
> going to be the thing for the next while, maybe we need to get these
> things out into the open and take a good look at them.
>

 Not awkward, worth asking and was already aware from Jobs comments
yesterday so you are not the only one asking this type of question.

 Will add this, for anyone not on the RIPE / LINX future of conferences
discussion (involving NANOG too) , things like this are being discussed -
yesterdays catch up was good, lots of information sharing  there are a raft
of questions right now in terms of how we move forward and what we can do
attract sponsorship, increase reach and whether being online increases
diversity. We in this sense being those who run Internet conferences. Keep
and eye for a post on RIPE labs in the near future on this once they've had
a chance to write things up.


Ta

Chris

Re: [uknof] virtualUKNOF on 20th July 2020 - Registrations now open ; Last Call for Presentations

[Nick Hilliard]

Denesh Bhabuta :: UKNOF wrote on 01/07/2020 15:21:

I am pleased to announce that registration for virtualUKNOF July 2020
(taking place on 20th July) is now open. The meeting will take place
as a Zoom webinar and registration is required to participate.

The meeting will only be broadcast live over Zoom and each registrant
will receive a unique Zoom access link.


Hi Denesh,

Sounds great - as always many thanks for organising.

Can I ask about two issues which are recurrent across many online events 
at the moment?


1.  do they support clientless access or are you stuck with having to 
install a local client of some form? Zoom seems to require a browser 
plug-in to work on a browser, and these plugins don't work on all 
systems.  By comparison, lots of other online systems support webrtc 
(e.g. uberconference, bluejeans and piles of others).


2.  why does zoom / webex / etc need to know who we are? I really don't 
want the conferencing system to know who I am.


I know these are awkward questions, but if online video conferences are 
going to be the thing for the next while, maybe we need to get these 
things out into the open and take a good look at them.


Nick

[uknof] virtualUKNOF on 20th July 2020 - Registrations now open ; Last Call for Presentations

[Denesh Bhabuta :: UKNOF]

Dear colleagues

I am pleased to announce that registration for virtualUKNOF July 2020 (taking 
place on 20th July) is now open. The meeting will take place as a Zoom webinar 
and registration is required to participate.

The meeting will only be broadcast live over Zoom and each registrant will 
receive a unique Zoom access link.

We will make the recording of talks available on our YouTube channel at a later 
time.

Registration page is available at:



Regards
Denesh