Re: Variation Selection (Was Re: Unicode 3.2: BETA files updated)
At 12:43 PM 1/27/02 -0800, Mark Davis \(jtcsv\) wrote: It sounds like what you are saying, in concrete terms, is that Font #6 at the bottom of: http://www.macchiato.com/utc/variation_selection/variation_selection_f ollowup.htm is conformant. If that is so, then we would have to have an additional VS to select the closed form of the glyph. In that case, one could only depend on a visual distinction based upon the description if the font supported both of the VS sequences. I can see your point. In your posting you wrote: Number 6 is the decisive one. If we say that it is conformant, then we are required to have another VS sequence (if, of course, we need to distinguish a determinant closed form). If we say that it is not, then we are not required to have another VS to distinguish the closed form. I am saying #6 is definitely conformant (but it does not serve well the community that asked for the open form at a separate location ;-) Adding an explicit VS2 (or whatever VS) mechanism to ask for the distinct form of the plain character code, gives everyone more choices: If you are a user that needs the distinction, then you would have two choices: a) get a font that makes the distinction, and enforce its presence b) try asking for the distinction using VS2 (or whichever VS) The latter allows you to make distinctions that can always be recovered from your source data with fidelity, even if the 'try asking' didn't pan out. If you are a font vendor wanting to support the distinction, then you would have two choices: a) have your font always make the distinction (and VS2 gets ignored silently) b) don't make the distinction, unless asked to do so explicitly The latter allows you to serve users not needing the distinction w/o compromising the typographical aesthetics of your font in *their* context. That directly translates into market choices. A./
RE: Multiple script Handling (kanji - kana)
Stefan Persson wrote: From: Marco Cimarosti [EMAIL PROTECTED] U+FFF9 (INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION ANCHOR) U+FFFA (INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION SEPARATOR) U+FFFB (INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION TERMINATOR) The format of a word with furigana should be: U+FFF9 kanji(s) U+FFFA hiragana(s) U+FFFB Do you know any font that supports these characters? I know none, personally. Beside that, my impression is that furigana is top complex a thing to be implemented inside the fonts. I think that even current font technologies such as OpenType are not suited to implement such a complex formatting. But font specialists might contradict me. _ Marco
MISTER YUCK
At 21:53 -0800 2002-01-27, someone wrote: MISTER YUCK, actually, should be added to Unicode. Isn't it used on some poisonous cleaning products to warn children? Mister Yuck is a logo. It always appears big, green, and NOT in running text. And the skull and crossbones does? If it's a logo, it represents some organization, right? But doesn't MISTER YUCK *mean* something, i.e., isn't it a symbol? Don't eat, this tastes bad, this is poisonous, etc. -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com
MISTER YUK
It's official ... MISTER YUK [sic] is not just a logo -- he is used in text! From http://www.chp.edu/mryuk/05a_mryuk.php: Corporations have placed his face on the product labels of hazardous materials, and publishing companies have used the symbol in textbooks and standardized tests to represent poisons. -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com
RE: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!
-Original Message- From: Youtie Effaight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Unicode now has a serious competitor. Please read about it at www.bytext.org. Everyone on this list should find it extremely interesting. Goll dang! Just what ah've bin waitin' fer! Code points is gettin' way too expensive in Unicode, so I sure hope bytext is sellin' 'em cheaper. You said it Youtie. Can't tell you how long I've been waiting for an open source solution!
Re: Unicode Search Engines
On Wed Jan 16 23:49:29 2002 +0400 Aman Chawla wrote: Are there any search engines at all at present which allow one to search sites encoded in UTF-8? If not, are there plans to build such search engines? For example, is Google going to implement such an engine? I would like to add: How do they handle normalization? In Vietnam, many characters can be represented in several different ways: (1) fully precomposed (NFC) (2) base character and modifier precomposed, tonal mark combining (3) base character, then modifier, then tonal mark (4) like (3), but modifier and tonal mark sorted (NFD) Do the search engines do any normalization, before indexing a page? Are queries normalized before running the search? In other words: For example, if the page is written in NFC, but the query is entered in NFD, will it find anything? Rgds, Stefan
new photos from my party!
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VIRUS!!!!! (was Re: new photos from my party!)
Do not open the attachment, this is a virus! MichKa Michael Kaplan Trigeminal Software, Inc. -- http://www.trigeminal.com/ - Original Message - From: Polykarpos Karamaounas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:00 AM Subject: new photos from my party! Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks!
Re: MISTER YUCK
At 18:43 +0100 2002-01-28, Stefan Persson wrote: Concerning logos: Apple's MacRoman encoding contains the logo for Apple assigned to a code point. Is there any official Unicode code point assigned for this logo? A logo is always a logo, but here it is also a compatibility issue... No, but Apple's Unicode mapping tables indicate the Private Use code point they use for it. -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com
Re: VIRUS!!!!! (was Re: new photos from my party!)
Now, Sarasvati, what did I say about attachments? -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com
Re: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!
--- Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: At 08:41 -0800 2002-01-27, James Kass wrote: Seriously, the section in the bytext file about emoticons was most enjoyable. Do people exchange information using emoticons? Yes, but these are representable in plain text by Unicode now. ASCII! Well, I've seen cases where chat engines have converted ASCII into emoticon pictures at the wrong places... Stefan _ Hitta snörapporter... från 500 olika skidorter i Europa på http://se.snow.yahoo.com
Re: new photos from my party!
--- Polykarpos Karamaounas [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks! ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=www.myparty.yahoo.com I just received this message through the list. Do *NOT* open it, it contains a virus! Stefan (Luckily, I'm using web mail...) _ Hitta snörapporter... från 500 olika skidorter i Europa på http://se.snow.yahoo.com
Re: MISTER YUCK
--- Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: And the skull and crossbones does? If it's a logo, it represents some organization, right? But doesn't MISTER YUCK *mean* something, i.e., isn't it a symbol? Don't eat, this tastes bad, this is poisonous, etc. Concerning logos: Apple's MacRoman encoding contains the logo for Apple assigned to a code point. Is there any official Unicode code point assigned for this logo? A logo is always a logo, but here it is also a compatibility issue... Stefan _ Hitta snörapporter... från 500 olika skidorter i Europa på http://se.snow.yahoo.com
Re: VIRUS!!!!! (was Re: new photos from my party!)
Yeah, I wrote about that before going to bed last night, and the photos virus *made it through* on a Yahoo Group I am subscribed to, even though apparently the list is set to *no attachements*. Great. Lucky for me I won't let MS Outlook anywhere near any of my computers. At 05:29 PM 1/28/2002 +, Michael Everson wrote: Now, Sarasvati, what did I say about attachments? -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com Best Regards, Barry Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.i18n.com - coming soon, preview available now News | Tools | Process for Global Software Team I18N
Re: MISTER YUK
Corporations have placed his face on the product labels of hazardous materials, and publishing companies have used the symbol in textbooks and standardized tests to represent poisons. Don't get all excited yet, Michael. It says in textbooks not as a character in running text. Rick
Re: MISTER YUCK
At 19:52 +0100 2002-01-28, Stefan Persson wrote: --- Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: At 18:43 +0100 2002-01-28, Stefan Persson wrote: No, but Apple's Unicode mapping tables indicate the Private Use code point they use for it. OK. Shouldn't it be added (for compatibility reasons)? Or maybe it can't (due to copyright reasons)? Has anyone written any proposal(s) for this character? Apple has not requested it, because corporate symbols are inappropriate for encoding and they know it. Actually, in my Gaelic fonts on the Mac OS I substituted the shamrock for that position. At some stage I will be requesting a shamrock, as this is used in a number of dictionaries as a symbol denoting horticulture. -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com
RE: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!
Well, I've seen cases where chat engines have converted ASCII into emoticon pictures at the wrong places... And sometimes you can't turn them off. Grumble. I couldn't give out sample code in MSIM using foo(c) for a function call w/o getting a cup of coffee after foo! YA
Shamrock (was Re: MISTER YUCK)
Mr. Everson said: Actually, in my Gaelic fonts on the Mac OS I substituted the shamrock for that position. At some stage I will be requesting a shamrock, as this is used in a number of dictionaries as a symbol denoting horticulture. And will ye be askin' for the top to be green, and the bottom to be orange, now? http://www.gardencentre.ie/shamrock.htm --Ken P.S. perhaps a glyph variant of LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O, as in: *Oh* the Shamrock, The green, immortal Shamrock! Chosen leaf Of Bard and Chief, Old Erin's native Shamrock!
RE: VIRUS!!!!! (was Re: new photos from my party!)
Michael Everson wrote: Now, Sarasvati, what did I say about attachments? The policy of my employer's network is to selectively block attachments that can contain viruses (e.g., .exe, .doc, .html, etc.) and allow those which can't (e.g., .txt, .gif, .jpeg). This policy has worked fine in the present case: the naughty attachment was blocked for security reasons. _ Marco
Re: MISTER YUCK
Mr YuK is a logo put out by the National Capital Poison Center. It comes on stickers like this: http://www.poison.org/mrYuk.htm Rick
Re: MISTER YUCK
--- Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: At 18:43 +0100 2002-01-28, Stefan Persson wrote: No, but Apple's Unicode mapping tables indicate the Private Use code point they use for it. OK. Shouldn't it be added (for compatibility reasons)? Or maybe it can't (due to copyright reasons)? Has anyone written any proposal(s) for this character? Stefan _ Hitta snörapporter... från 500 olika skidorter i Europa på http://se.snow.yahoo.com
OT: Re: MISTER YUCK
At 10:55 1/28/2002, Rick McGowan wrote: Mr YuK is a logo put out by the National Capital Poison Center. Maybe I was just a perverse kid, but if I'd seen this logo on a bottle I would have taken it as a challenge: like being offered kimchee with a warning that I wouldn't like it. John Hudson Tiro Typeworks www.tiro.com Vancouver, BC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... es ist ein unwiederbringliches Bild der Vergangenheit, das mit jeder Gegenwart zu verschwinden droht, die sich nicht in ihm gemeint erkannte. ... every image of the past that is not recognized by the present as one of its own concerns threatens to disappear irretrievably. Walter Benjamin
FAQs Beer
There are a couple of new additions to the CJK FAQ: http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/han_cjk.html and if you haven't looked at it lately, also on the Indic FAQ: http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/indic.html Also, there are a good many excellent answers to questions on this list. I'd encourage those who wrote them (and we know who you are) to put them into a Q/A format (plain text is fine), and submit them as per http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/. We also welcome review of the existing FAQ pages; there is a lot of material there, but there is always room for improvement. There is even -- gasp! -- a mistake on one of the pages. I'll buy a beer in Dublin at the IUC for the person who finds the best mistake. (Note: this does not include buying plane fare!) Mark ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (408) 256-3148 IBM, MS 50-2/B11, 5600 Cottle Rd, SJ CA 95193
SV: new photos from my party!
I think Polykapros has got the latest virus, that evrybody is talking about...perhaps a anti-virus programme would help Best regards Audun Lona -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] På vegne av Polykarpos Karamaounas Sendt: 28. januar 2002 17:00 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: new photos from my party! Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks!
Re: FAQs Beer
From: "Mark Davis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FAQs Beer Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:15:31 -0800 There are a couple of new additions to the CJK FAQ: http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/han_cjk.html and if you haven't looked at it lately, also on the Indic FAQ: http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/indic.html Also, there are a good many excellent answers to questions on this list. I'd encourage those who wrote them (and we know who you are) to put them into a Q/A format (plain text is fine), and submit them as per http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/. We also welcome review of the existing FAQ pages; there is a lot of material there, but there is always room for improvement. There is even -- gasp! -- a mistake on one of the pages. I'll buy a beer in Dublin at the IUC for the person who finds the best mistake. (Note: this does not include buying plane fare!) You need an alternate prize in case someone can't drink for whatever reason. Like for religious reasons. And I have a feeling that that Irish beer can stun a horse. NO. This is a bad idea. I do NOT need to get into any fights over the correct stroke order of anything. If I go there, I might get into a bar fight over the stroke order of a kanji. Or anything stupid like that. "No, you #@$%%, IDEOGRAPHIC ZERO *is* a kanji! Who the @%#$ do you think you are telling me that just because it's %%$^ round it's not a %^ kanji, huh? Well, so what about radicals! Take your %$* radicals and... so #@^ what if you ARE from Japan? I once knew a guy from Japan who didn't even know that the stroke order for...Well, if that's how you feel about it, then $B$*$l$N!;!;$r$?$Y$m(B..."you get the picture. $B"*!!$8$e$&$$$C$A$c$s!!"+(B $B!!$@$s$;$$$i$7$5$`$h$&(B _ $B%$%s%?!<%M%C%H$r$V$i$V$i%7%g%C%T%s%0$9$k$J$i(BMSN $B%7%g%C%T%s%0$X(B http://shopping.msn.co.jp/
