RE: Unicode Hebrew proposal: nomenclature..
At 04:24 PM 10/3/03 -0700, Peter Constable wrote: > HEBREW BABYLONIAN (SIMPLE) ATNACH I don't know that parens in names are acceptable. Also, might it make sense to hyphenate the first two words (the first word in the name of characters in the Hebrew block doesn't need to be "HEBREW"). Hence, HEBREW-BABYLONIAN SIMPLE ATNACH. Or, maybe it's just an ordering thing that's striking me as odd: BABYLONIAN HEBREW SIMPLE ATNACH, perhaps? Parens may not be used this way. Names are always adjusted in WG2 and UTC. Just propose a name that gives your best shot, but never expect it to come out verbatim. A./
Unicode Public Review Issues update
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RE: Unicode Hebrew proposal: nomenclature..
Elaine: > Now NOMENCLATURE > 1) BLOCK NAME: does the Hebrew block need to permanently be > called Hebrew? If a better name would be HEBREW-ARAMAIC > SQUARE SCRIPT, should that be added as a note? > 2) SUB-BLOCK: can the sub-blocks have a different headers, > so they can be called "Tiberian cantillation marks" or > "Tiberian vowels" ?? Changing the block name would be a problem as there will be existing systems that assume that name. The sub-block names are simply informative text in the names list file, though. I would think those could be changed without creating problems. > Babylonian accents, vowels, punctuation > has ~2 systems with some overlap > may need "The Mongolian Option" By "The Mongolian Option", do you mean the use of variation selectors? > So should the names be. > > HEBREW BABYLONIAN (SIMPLE) ATNACH I don't know that parens in names are acceptable. Also, might it make sense to hyphenate the first two words (the first word in the name of characters in the Hebrew block doesn't need to be "HEBREW"). Hence, HEBREW-BABYLONIAN SIMPLE ATNACH. Or, maybe it's just an ordering thing that's striking me as odd: BABYLONIAN HEBREW SIMPLE ATNACH, perhaps? Peter Peter Constable Globalization Infrastructure and Font Technologies Microsoft Windows Division
Article on cuneiform encoding
The September 2003 issue of Johns Hopkins Magazine has a nice piece on the Initiative for Cuneiform Encoding (ICE) entitled "Clay, Paper, Code." See http://www.jhu.edu/%7ejhumag/0903web/code.html Don Osborn Bisharat.net
Unicode Hebrew proposal: nomenclature..
Elaine in Central Texas Hi, Ok, font underway, what a relief. Now NOMENCLATURE 1) BLOCK NAME: does the Hebrew block need to permanently be called Hebrew? If a better name would be HEBREW-ARAMAIC SQUARE SCRIPT, should that be added as a note? 2) SUB-BLOCK: can the sub-blocks have a different headers, so they can be called "Tiberian cantillation marks" or "Tiberian vowels" ?? The current Unicode Hebrew accents and vowels are supposedly from Tiberias, on the western edge of the Sea of Galilee 3) Now, for individual new items. The new stuff--which people from Holland started asking for a year ago, by the way---divides into groups: Babylonian accents, vowels, punctuation has ~2 systems with some overlap may need "The Mongolian Option" Palestinian accents, vowels, punctuation some serious diversity-- also a good candidate for "The Mongolian Option" Samaritan* vowels, punctuation Epigraphic* punctuation Starred items come with some built in controversy So should the names be. HEBREW BABYLONIAN (SIMPLE) ATNACH HEBREW BABYLONIAN (SIMPLE) METEG HEBREW BABYLONIAN (COMPLEX) ATNACH or HEBREW SIMPLE BABYLONIAN ATNACH HEBREW COMPLEX BABYLONIAN ATNACH For the epigraphy: HEBREW HIERATIC-EPIGRAPHIC NUMBER FIVE HEBREW HIERATIC-EPIGRAPHIC NUMBER TEN And BTW, the new stuff is regional/dialectal, presume different underlying Hebrew dialects, with no simple one-to-one mapping between Tiberian and the other stuff Please adviseElaine __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
RE: FW: Web Form: Other Question: British pound sign - U+00A3
> This (Peter's) answer is, in my understanding, the nearest to the > truth. He made the same assumption I did: you declared that your file was UTF-8 but actually it wasn't. :-) > Here is the problem: > > How do I make my keyboard which only produces 8-bit [...] The keyboard has nothing to do with it. The problem is how you save the file. You should see if the "Save as..." command of your text editor (or HTML authoring tool) has an option like "Save as UTF-8". If it doesn't, see if your Notepad utility has it option. If it's there (I don't remember in which version of Windows it was added). You just open your file and save it selecting "Save as UTF-8". You can also use an utility to convert the character set. E.g., try the "iconv.exe" utility from libiconv (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=23617). Ciao. Marco
