Re: not font designers?

[Radovan Garabik]

On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 08:27:48AM -0800, E. Keown wrote:
> Elaine Keown
> Seattle
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Supposedly this list has >600 people.  
> 
> Just of curiosity, how many of you are NOT font
> designers?  


A long time ago I designed some bitmapped fonts for linux console.
Even longer time ago, I designed some fonts for my Sinclair 
ZX Spectrum :-)
That's about all.

> 
> And are any of your corpus linguists, text database
> people, or maybe database designers?  

I would not dare to call myself a corpus linguist, but 
de facto I am one (working in a corpus department, designing & building a corpus
and appropriate NLP tools...) - but I subscribed to this list before I
was one.


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Re: not font designers?

[Edward H. Trager]

On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 08:27:48AM -0800, E. Keown wrote:

 > Elaine Keown
 > Seattle
 > 
 > Hi,
 > 
 > Supposedly this list has >600 people.  
 > 
 > Just of curiosity, how many of you are NOT font
 > designers?  

I am also not a font designer by trade.

 > 
 > And are any of your corpus linguists, text database
 > people, or maybe database designers?  

I am a bioinformatics programmer and database programmer
in a genetics research lab.  My original interest in Unicode stemmed
from the fact that I studied Chinese in school and spent some
years in several countries in Asia, including China and Thailand.

Understanding and applying Unicode (especially UTF-8) and W3C (XHTML,
XML, CSS, ...) standards has most definitely allowed us to
write more powerful and flexible applications in the labs
where I work.  I am often surprised when
I meet other programmers --both those fresh out
of school and veterans-- who don't have a clue about Unicode.  Unicode
and internationalization should be required courses for kids studying
Computer Science these days ...

I suspect that there is probably a lot of occupational diversity
among the members of this list.

- Ed Trager
  Kellogg Eye Center, Ann Arbor

OT: not font designers?

[John Burger]

E. Keown wrote:
Just of curiosity, how many of you are NOT font designers?
And are any of your corpus linguists, text database people, or maybe 
database designers?
I am not a font designer, I am a computational linguist - in particular 
I have worked for 10+ years on corpus-based and machine learning 
approaches to natural language processing.  I believe there are several 
other such folks on this list.

- John D. Burger
  MITRE

Re: Looking for the UDHR in Thai

[Edward H. Trager]

Hi, Eric,

The http://bkk2.loxinfo.co.th/~aithnd/tudhr.html site which you found is 
just a summary of the main points of each article of the document.
It is not the document itself.

Xavier Nègre's web page at http://www.lexilogos.com 
provides translations of just the *first article* of the Declaration
in a number of languages, including Thai -- I am the one who typed
the Thai article by reading from the GIF images on the UNHCR UHDR
site.

If you are interested, I can get you the *whole document in Thai* in
electronic UTF-8 form if you really need it.  Email me off the list
at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss your needs.

As you are probably aware, many of the other translations on the
UNHCR UHDR site are also provided as a series of GIF images.  This is 
true for many languages written in Indic and Indic-derived scripts
such as Kannada and Burmese.  I am working with a colleague of mine 
to have the first article typed in Kannada and as many of the other
Indic /Indic-derived languages as we can manage as part of my Unicode Font Guide
for Free/Libre Open Source Operating Systems web page which you
are welcome to visit: 

http://eyegene.ophthy.med.umich.edu/unicode/fontguide/

As you can see there, we are using the First Article in various languages 
for displaying many of the Unicode font samples.

Again feel free to email me off the list if, besides Thai, you should need the entire
Declaration in any of the other Indic- or Indic-derived languages.

- Ed Trager
  Kellogg Eye Center
  University of Michigan
  Ann Arbor.

On Tuesday 2004.11.02 16:53:31 -0800, Eric Muller wrote:
> I am using the various versions of the Universal Declaration of Human 
> Rights at  as test material. 
> Unfortunately, the Thai version is an image, and the resolution is not 
> good enough for me to even attempt to retype the document. Can somebody 
> point me to either better images, or even better to a text version (any 
> encoding, with or without markup)?
> 
> The only thing I have found so far is 
> , but this does not seem 
> to be the complete text: the preamble is missing, is the text is much, 
> much smaller than any of the other languages.
> 
> Thanks,
> Eric.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: not font designers?

[Christopher Fynn]

E. Keown wrote:
Elaine Keown
Seattle
Hi,
Supposedly this list has >600 people.  

Just of curiosity, how many of you are NOT font
designers?  

And are any of your corpus linguists, text database
people, or maybe database designers?  

Thanks, Elaine
Hi Elaine
It might be better asking who the font designers *are*.
Unless there are a lot of lurking font designers,
I suspect there are only a handful since there seem
to be no more than half a dozen people who participate
in the Unicode list who also participate in lists devoted
to development of "Unicode" fonts (OpenType list VOLT list,
Graphite list etc).
I develop fonts but I've also designed and developed
even more database and text processing applications.
- Chris

Re: Looking for the UDHR in Thai

[Eric Muller]

Ed, thanks for the pointers. I'll be in touch with you off-list.
In the mean time, I have Hindi, Sanskrit, Magahi and Bohjpuri versions 
at .

Eric.

Announcement: CLDR 1.2 Released

[Rick McGowan]

The Unicode Consortium is pleased to announce the release of new versions  
of the Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR 1.2) and the Locale Data Markup  
Language specification (LDML 1.2).

For more information on the contents of this release, see:
http://www.unicode.org/cldr/repository_access.html

For more information on the new version of LDML, see:
http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr35/

And for general information on CLDR, see:
http://www.unicode.org/cldr/index.html

Please note that the freeze date for the next version of CLDR is January  
15, 2004. All new data or defect reports for CLDR 1.3 must be submitted by  
then.


Regards,
Rick McGowan
Unicode, Inc.

Re: not font designers?

[Kenneth Whistler]

Elaine Keown asked:

> Supposedly this list has >600 people.  
> 
> Just of curiosity, how many of you are NOT font
> designers?

And since a number of people are declaring their
backgrounds, I'll chime in, too. ;-)

I am not a font designer, although I have designed fonts
(many years ago) for linguists, and even once wrote a
font editing program for linguists back in the bad old
days before outline fonts became the standard for
computer typography.

As some have indicated, it is pretty clear that the
number of people on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] discussion
list who would self-identify as "font designers" is
likely to be a rather small minority. Professional
font designers hang out on *other* discussion lists.

Try googling on "typography discussion forum", for
example, and you'll find dozens of such lists and
forums.
 
> 
> And are any of your corpus linguists, text database
> people, or maybe database designers?  

I *am* a corpus linguist, although not actively engaged
in that work at the moment.

I am not a database designer, although I have designed
(and used) lexical databases. I work for a database company,
by the way, but that doesn't qualify me as a "database
designer".

--Ken

Re: [indic] Announcement: CLDR 1.2 Released

[Mahesh T. Pai]

'Rick McGowan' said on Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:08:32AM -0800,:

 > Please note that the freeze date for the next version of CLDR is January  
 > 15, 2004. All new data or defect reports for CLDR 1.3 must be submitted by  
   
 
In a time wrap, eh? 

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Re: not font designers?

[fantasai]

E. Keown wrote:
Supposedly this list has >600 people.  

Just of curiosity, how many of you are NOT font
designers?  
Are you expecting something on the order of 600
reponses to this? :)
And are any of your corpus linguists, text database
people, or maybe database designers?  
Not me. I'm involved in QA, coding, and website work
for Mozilla and with CSS/HTML standardization through
the W3C and the WHATWG.
  [ Mozilla Project http://www.mozilla.org/ ]
  [ W3C http://www.w3.org/  ]
  [ WHATWG  http://www.whatwg.org/  ]
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