Re: Missing Arabic and Syriac characters in Unicode
>From: Philipp Reichmuth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Philipp Reichmuth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Roozbeh Pournader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: Miikka-Markus Alhonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Unicode List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Missing Arabic and Syriac characters in Unicode >Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:54:17 +0200 > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi folks! > >RP> At least not in the Korans I've seen. In those, Turned Damma is clearly >RP> used to mark an /u:/ sound when a Waw is not there (and only that). It is >RP> not an ornament in any way. I'm talking about Iranian Korans. > >It's clearly a character then. It definitely makes sense in an Iranian >context from the viewpoint of the Persian use of Arabic script. > >BTW does it represent /u:/ or /u/? In the Qur'an, /u:/ would probably >represented by Waw and would be read by a Persian as /u/, wouldn't it? >While damma would be read as /o/. Could you point me to a location in >an Iranian Qur'an where there is one of these? > >Greetings > Philipp mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >__ Inverted Damma, vertical Kasrah etc are accentuated Damma and Kasrah etc and these are variants (alternate ways) used extensively in Qurans published in India and Pakistan. In the Qurans published in Middle East these are usually represented by Damma followed by a small waw and Kasrah followed by a small yay. If anyone wished I could try scanning and sending you the examples from published copies of Quran. Since these are variants, one could (and I have) defined these as ligatures in fonts, so that when one wishes these to appear for a work published for people of certain area, all one has to do is change the font. Since these are two different ways of representing same vowel sounds, different unicode positions may not be advisable. In any case these are not ornamental or decorative marks, rather these are different way of representing existing unciode characters. Regards Abdul-Majid Bhurgri Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
OT Nastaleeq conforming to Unicode
A few days ago I posted following message which was received well and I received quite a few responses. But as I was on vacation, I only breifly reviewed some of the messages and somehow, in the meanwhile, all the messages got deleted before I could respond or even save these. I apologize for the inconveniece, and request you to kindly resend your messages to me so that I can respond to you individually. Thanks & regards. Abdul-Majid Bhurgri >I have developed a prototype Nastaleeq (Urdu) font of the same quality>as the currently available Nastaleeq fonts used for typesetting, which>also conforms to the Unicode Standards and OpenType specs and as such>works smoothly in MSWindows and multilingual Windows applications (MS>Word, Excel, Access etc.)>>Completion of the project, needs time and resources. Anyone interested>may contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
OT Nastaleeq conforming to Unicode
I have developed a prototype Nastaleeq (Urdu) font of the same quality as the currently available Nastaleeq fonts used for typesetting, which also conforms to the Unicode Standards and OpenType specs and as such works smoothly in MSWindows and multilingual Windows applications (MS Word, Excel, Access etc.) Completion of the project, needs time and resources. Anyone interested may contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Support for Urdu & Sindhi
Can you please clarify as to what does the Urdu Support exactly include (Win2k and WinME)? Is there any website or webpage created using this support and is it possible to view it? - Original Message - From: "N.R.Liwal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rajesh Chandrakar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Support for Urdu & Sindhi > Dear Rajesh Chandrakar; > > Thank you very much for your interest in our Products. > The cost of our software for single user copy are as follows: > > PRICE > Asiasoft Urdu Support for Windows 95 US$245 > Asiasoft Urdu Support for Windows 98 US$275 > Asiasoft Urdu Support for Windows ME US$275 > Asiasoft Urdu Support for Windows 2K US$725 > > SHIPMENT: > by Post $15/= reach you in 2 Weeks. > by DHL in 72 hours $55/= > > We can send your order immediately, after we receive > your payment. > > Looking forward to have your order. > > Thanks > > N.R.Liwal > Asiasoft > 12 Fawad Plaza, Jahangirabad > Jamrud Road, Peshawar. > Tel: 92-91-844974 also 40706 > Fax: 92-91-40706 > > > > - Original Message - > From: Rajesh Chandrakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: N.R.Liwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: Support for Urdu & Sindhi > > > > Dear Liwal, > > > > may I know what is the cost of the software? and can it be implemented for > > database creation work? > > > > Rajesh Chandrakar > > INFLIBNET Centre, UGC > > Ahmedabad, India > > > > > > > > "N.R.Liwal" wrote: > > > > > Dear Christopher J Fynn; > > > > > > Thank you very much for your intereset in our urdu > > > software and fonts, yes our Fonts are based on Unicode > > > and Microsoft Windows Standards. > > > > > > Our page is under development and I be able to give > > > any information about any specific qouestion you may > > > have on email, also Mr. Saja is wellcomed to emial > > > me and I will help him. > > > > > > Thansk. > > > > > > Liwal > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Christopher J Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Cc: N.R.Liwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:44 PM > > > Subject: RE: Support for Urdu & Sindhi > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Liwal, > > > > > > > > Is your software (& fonts) Unicode based??? or does it use some other > > > character encoding??? I couldn't find anything about this on your > website > > > (mind you the "Site search" link to > http://www.liwal.net/cgi-bin/search.cgi > > > at the top of your page doesn't work). I ask this since Mr. Sajjad wrote > to > > > the Unicode list and so presumably he is looking for a Unicode based > > > solution. > > > > > > > > - Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > N.R.Liwal wrote: > > > > > > > > << > > > > Dear Mr. Sajjad; > > > > > > > > We have Asiasoft Urdu Support for Windows 95, 98, ME and 2K which > > > > is an Add-On to Microsoft Windows, it adds Urdu processing > capabilities > > > > to Microsoft Windows and make Microsoft Office, 95, 97 and 2000's > > > > Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook express, Corel Draw and 100 of other > > > > programs Urdu. > > > > > > > > Once you install Asiasoft Urdu support for Windows, > > > > you can process Urdu, Arabic, English and many other > > > > Roman and Non-roman languages together in Word as well as > > > > in all other office applications. > > > > > > > > All your application will Just run fine as they were running on > Normal > > > Windows. > > > > > > > > for further information you may visit, www.liwal.net/asiasoft or > > > > www.liwal.com/asiasoft there you see more information and screenshots > of > > > our > > > > software. > > > > > > > > If you require further information, please do not hesitate > > > > to contact us at Tel +92-91-844974 or +92-91-40706 > > > > or email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > N.R.Liwal > > > > Asiasoft > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Support for Urdu & Sindhi
Check the Sindhi Computing Community website at http://communities.msn.com/SindhiComputing - Original Message - From: SSRA To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: Support for Urdu & Sindhi Support for sindhi language (Arabic Script) is need, can anybody help me
Re: URDU fonts
If this font does not conform to Unicode and Windows standards, and apparently it does not, then it won't be recognized as an Arabic script font. I know there is one Urdu font on Microsoft's website, and also the Urdu keyboard. You can try downloading and using that font. Abdul-Majid Bhurgri >From: "Multi-Linguist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: URDU fonts >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:44:24 -0800 (GMT-0800) > >Good day, >I am here once again with the URDU font problem. I downloaded one of the >free URDU TTF fonts available on the Internet. But the problem is that it >does not show up in the Arabic right to left typing in MS-Word. Rather it >shows up in the English Left to Right typing. Can we use it alongwith the >Arabic font for typesetting an URDU HTML page, in Arabic Windows-98?? >I hope my question is clear. >Best regards and Merry Christmas >Paresh > > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [OT] Arabic script langs in 3.0 ; list?
Add to the list Brahui (spoken in Pakistan, mostly in Baluchistan province), Darri, and Parkari (spoken in areas of Thar desert area bordering Pakistan and India). About 12 years ago I had made a font for Parkari language at the request of Christian missionaries who published translation of Bible in Parkari language. Thanks for compiling such comprehensive list. Abdul-Majid Bhurgri - Original Message - From: "Elaine Keown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: [OT] Arabic script langs in 3.0 ; list? > Hello, > > Unicode 3.0 mentions 11 contemporary languages written in Arabic, most from Central Asia, none from Africa except Arabic---Berber is not mentioned. Is Arabic script no longer used south of the Sahara? Or does standard Arabic script easily cover relevant African languages? > > My usually excellent university library did not answer this question also: today how many languages are written in Arabic script? > > I can only find 25: Arabic Balti Baluchi Berber Farsi Hausa Karaite Kashmiri Kazakh Kirghiz Kurmanji Luri Mazanderani Moplah Panjabi---PakistaniPashto Pulaar Sindhi Siraiki (also known as Saraiki or Lahnda or Western Panjabi) Sulu Uighur Urdu Uzbek Wolof > > Help appreciated with improving my list-Elaine > > ___ > > Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! > http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html > > ___ > >
Re: display problems on browser
What OS and which browser are you using? Win2000/IE5.5 is ideal combination for multilingual needs. - Original Message - From: "Sujit Sunthankar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: RE: display problems on browser > Download the Unicode Arial font from Microsoft Office update for Publisher > 2000. It should work. It worked on my win98 with IE5.5 > > -Original Message- > From: sreekant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, 1 December 2000 5:27 PM > To: Unicode List > Subject: display problems on browser > > > hi, > I am facing problems when I am trying to display non-english characters > on my browser. I am getting "?" and I want to see characters in > various other languages too. What should I do? > Should I install any special software or should I configure my browser. > Please advise as I have to deliver my application within a very short > time. > thanks, > Sreekanth Devarakonda > > >
Re: URDU fonts
Back to the issue of creating website, I agree with Michael K., in that Win2000 has proper built in support for Unicode while Win9x has problems handling Unicode based OpenType fonts. I have created a few unicode Sindhi fonts and I have had know problem using these in Win2000 (NT4 too) and using these to create website. You can visit the sample sample Sindhi website can be visited. Sindhi set is much larger than Urdu and shares many Urdu characters and letters. Majid Bhurgri - Original Message - From: "Houman Pournasseh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: RE: URDU fonts Tahoma, when it comes to Arabic script (both Arabic and Farsi languages)has a funny shape of some characters (example of ending MIME) that givethe look of a kid handwriting ;-) This is why we at Microsoft havechosen Microsoft Sans Serif for Arabic Windows 2000 default UI languagefont. But Tahoma still remains a quality font and the current shape ispleasant for a lot contexts.Houman-Original Message-From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:36 AMTo: Houman Pournasseh; Unicode ListSubject: Re: URDU fontsThis is interesting, actually. Of the three fonts you name, is there aparticular preference in terms of appearance, from an Urdu perspective?Iknow for example that some consider Tahoma to be wonderful for Arabicbutdownright homely for Farsi (when compared to Microsoft Sans Serif).Just trying to improve my knowledge of best font choices! :-)MichKaMichael KaplanTrigeminal Software, Inc.http://www.trigeminal.com/- Original Message -From: "Houman Pournasseh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:37 AMSubject: RE: URDU fonts> To add to what have been said by Michael, I should say, that some ofthe> big fonts (multi-script) shipped with Windows 2000 had a GSub table> problem with regards to few Urdu specific characters. Part of these> issues have been addressed for SP1 and the remaining will be resolvedin> Whistler. Tahoma, Microsoft Sans Serif and Arial are the best fontsfor> Urdu.> Houman> Microsoft Corporation>> -Original Message-> From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:04 AM> To: Unicode List> Subject: Re: URDU fonts>>> Well, one difficulty would be in trying to understand what you mean by> "TTF> URDU" fonts. Are these Unicode fonts?>> It is true that the Arabic versions of Windows 95/98/Me do not fully> support> Urdu as they are supporting the Arabic *language* not the Arabic> *script* (a> name overload that I wish both Unicode and Microsoft would try toavoid> whenever possible since it can cause confusion!). However, Windows2000> and> the Arabic enabled version of NT4 both will have much more luck with> Unicode> fonts that support the necessary characters for Urdu.>> Windows 2000 has an Urdu keyboard, and I believe you will find thatthe> capabilities in Windows 2000 will suit all of your immediate needshere.>> For editing, both Word 2000 and FrontPage 2000 can do well with Urdu> text> (if you use the former then you have to be willing to live with allthe> extra tags Word loves to add, if you use the latter then I would> recommend> HTML view over Normal view after long experience with complex scriptsin> FP2000.>> Now, none of this will help you convert an English website to Urdu> they> will give you tools so that you could convert the site yourself,though.>> MichKa>> Michael Kaplan> Trigeminal Software, Inc.> http://www.trigeminal.com/>>>> - Original Message -> From: "MULTI-LINGUIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 8:45 AM> Subject: URDU fonts>>> Is it possible to type Urdu in Arabic Windows for a website?? I have> come to> know that Arabic Windows does not support any TTF Urdu fonts. Is this> true?> If it is true, then is it possible to transfer the fonts of Universal> Word> (Urdu typing software) to Arabic Windows and then type Urdu?> Can we paste the Urdu text into the HTML files? If someone could also> tell> whether these fonts would support the Unicode system.> I am actually confused.> If all the above is not understandable, can someone simply tell which> software to use for converting an English Website into URDU?? And what> procedure to follow.> Best regards> Paresh Agarwal>>
Re: Looking for Unicode based Persian Font
The core MS fonts such as Times New Roman, Arial, Courier, Tahoma are all of them Unicode based and support Farsi. Also the earlier Traditional Arabic Font, which is a better font, has support for Farsi/Persian. These work great under Win2000/IE 5.5 Regards. Abdul-Majid Bhurgri >From: Darya Said-Akbari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: Unicode List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Looking for Unicode based Persian Font >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:56:39 -0800 (GMT-0800) > >Sorry but it doesnt work. I get the message nesf.ttf is invalid, while >trying >to add this new font. >I prefer the Netscape browser under NT and Linux. How about Nesf and >Netscape? > >regards >Darya Said-Akbari > >Roozbeh Pournader schrieb: > > > Take a look at Nesf, http://digilib.sharif.ac.ir/fonts.php. > > > > Tahoma from Microsoft is also aesthetically acceptable as a Persian >font, > > and is Unicode based (available with IE 5 or Windows 2000). There are >also > > the Parsa fonts, but they're not usable as good screen fonts, because >they > > lack the hinting. But they're acceptable for printing. > > > > Roozbeh. > > > > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Darya Said-Akbari wrote: > > > > > Salam to everybody, > > > > > > There is a jungle of Persian non Unicode-based fonts. Does anyone know >a > > > Persian Unicode-based true-type font. I am looking for such fonts >under > > > WinNT and Linux. > > > > > > Let me know about it. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Darya Said-Akbari > > > > > > >
Re: Looking for Unicode based Persian Font
The core MS fonts such as Times New Roman, Arial, Courier, Tahoma are all of them Unicode based and support Farsi. Also the earlier Traditional Arabic Font, which is a better font, has support for Farsi/Persian. These work great under Win2000/IE 5.5 Regards. Abdul-Majid Bhurgri >From: Darya Said-Akbari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: Unicode List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Looking for Unicode based Persian Font >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:56:39 -0800 (GMT-0800) > >Sorry but it doesnt work. I get the message nesf.ttf is invalid, while >trying >to add this new font. >I prefer the Netscape browser under NT and Linux. How about Nesf and >Netscape? > >regards >Darya Said-Akbari > >Roozbeh Pournader schrieb: > > > Take a look at Nesf, http://digilib.sharif.ac.ir/fonts.php. > > > > Tahoma from Microsoft is also aesthetically acceptable as a Persian >font, > > and is Unicode based (available with IE 5 or Windows 2000). There are >also > > the Parsa fonts, but they're not usable as good screen fonts, because >they > > lack the hinting. But they're acceptable for printing. > > > > Roozbeh. > > > > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Darya Said-Akbari wrote: > > > > > Salam to everybody, > > > > > > There is a jungle of Persian non Unicode-based fonts. Does anyone know >a > > > Persian Unicode-based true-type font. I am looking for such fonts >under > > > WinNT and Linux. > > > > > > Let me know about it. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Darya Said-Akbari > > > > > > >
Re: Clarification of Arabic joining classes
First, a clarification/correction. As pointed out by Roozbeh, it is zero width non-joiner and not zero width space that we are talking about. You are correct about behaviour of letter preceding 'zero width non joiner'. - Original Message - From: "James E. Agenbroad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Majid Bhurgri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Clarification of Arabic joining classes >Tuesday, October 10, 2000 > Am I correct in thinking that the letter before the 'non breaking zero > width space' would appear in its final form (or in stand alone form if a > space preceded it)? > Regards, > Jim Agenbroad ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) > The above are purely personal opinions, not necessarily the official > views of any government or any agency of any. > Phone: 202 707-9612; Fax: 202 707-0955; US mail: I.T.S. Dev.Gp.4, Library > of Congress, 101 Independence Ave. SE, Washington, D.C. 20540-9334 U.S.A. > >
Re: Clarification of Arabic joining classes
On Tues, 10 Oct 2000, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > It's somehow weird for me, and if it were me, I would have considered it > non-joining. Why would it appear between two letters that would otherwise > join? Arabic cannot be broken between the joining letters. There are scores of words and instances in Arabic and other languages which use Arabic script where a word is split in two parts by not letting two letters join which would normally be joined. Non breaking zero width space facilitates such structures. It is used where you want to split the word, without it being treated as two words. Majid Bhurgri
Re: font problem
Which particular Urdu font did you install into Arabic word as worked in OUTLOOK but behaved erratically in WORD? Regards Majid Bhurgri >From: "mlinguist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: font problem >Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:02:56 -0800 (GMT-0800) > >Hello to all. > >Which are the Devnagari (HINDI) fonts that can be used for making websites >in HINDI, in Unicode format? Do Kruti/Narad fonts adhere to the Unicode? > >Also, if someone could suggest, are there any compatible URDU fonts >available for Arabic Windows-98. We tried installing some free fonts >available on the Internet, into Arabic Windows. The strange fact is that >they work fine with OUTLOOK, but when we tried typing in WORD, the font was >erratic and from left to right. > >Regards >Paresh Agarwal > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
