Re: Mac Unicode question
>One wishes that Word for OS X, or AppleWorks for OS X, or InDesign >for OS X, allowed one to input text in Unicode. But one step at a >time, I guess. :-) I've been playing around with the java-based ThinkFree Write (part of ThinkFree Office, 30 day free trial, $50 purchase) http://www.thinkfree.com/ Although there are various things TF Write cannot yet do, it appears you can input from all Mac OS X keyboards, Unicode and otherwise, plus the Character Palette (BMP only, however), format in various ways, and save results as .doc, .rtf, or UTF-8 .html files. No luck with UTF-8 plain text or copy/paste, but still seems a lot more capable than Word X. I'd be curious what others think of it.
Re: Mac Unicode question
At 10:22 -0600 2002-10-01, John H. Jenkins wrote: >On X, any (non-Classic) application can use Windows TrueType fonts. >Carbon applications which do not explicitly use ATSUI or MLTE are >limited in how much of the font they can use. Cocoa apps are pretty >much able to do anything. One wishes that Word for OS X, or AppleWorks for OS X, or InDesign for OS X, allowed one to input text in Unicode. But one step at a time, I guess. :-) Actually, InDesign lets you paste Unicode text from a TextEdit RTF document, but for instance Devanagari ligatures are undone. Maybe you could typeset Polish text this way but there are certainly limitations. You can't use a keyboard layout to enter text anyway. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com 48B Gleann na Carraige; Cill Fhionntain; Baile Átha Cliath 13; Éire Telephone +353 86 807 9169 * * Fax +353 1 832 2189 (by arrangement)
Re: Mac Unicode question
At 10:22 am -0600 1/10/02, John H. Jenkins wrote: >On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 08:42 AM, Alan Wood wrote: > >>I don't think anyone replied to this. As far as I know, these are the only >>applications for Mac OS 9 that can use Windows TrueType fonts: >> > >On X, any (non-Classic) application can use Windows TrueType fonts. >Carbon applications which do not explicitly use ATSUI or MLTE are >limited in how much of the font they can use. Cocoa apps are pretty >much able to do anything. Even better -- TT fonts (provided they do not use Unicode code points) can be used in ANY classic app from System 8.6 onwards (at least) with or without OS 10. To make a font recognisable in OS <10, it must have its file type and creator types set. To do this, select a single font file in the finder and run this script: tell application "Finder" set fontfile to selection as string as alias set file type of fontfile to "sfnt" set creator type of fontfile to "movr" end tell TT fonts (such as Arial Unicode MS) can only be used in OS 8/9 in applications such as WorldText, which means, so far as I know, WorldText period. Mac developers have not been and still are not rushing to produce editors that understand Unicode. Some of them seem to believe their apps understand Unicode and make out to their customers that they do, but this is pure fantasy. The illusion was successfully created by Apple while they dragged their feet for years and did conjuring tricks with the TEC. TT fonts, whether Unicode or not, will work fine without modification in OS 10 and it suffices to put them in ~/Library/Fonts/. I forget whether you need to log out to activate them. I am hoping that the first serious Unicode word processor to emerge will be Nisus, which has done such wonderful service with multilingual stuff in the past. Microsoft's Office X cannot yet display Unicode, though it looks as if it can 'store' Unicode behind its lines of dashes without destroying it by converting it. I haven't tried, but it's quite possible that a Word X doc containing (undisplayed) Unicode strings can be transferred to Windows and displayed properly. I'm just guessing here and am not going to bother trying because I detest MS Word in all its weak flavours. JD
Re: Mac Unicode question
On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 08:42 AM, Alan Wood wrote: > I don't think anyone replied to this. As far as I know, these are the > only > applications for Mac OS 9 that can use Windows TrueType fonts: > On X, any (non-Classic) application can use Windows TrueType fonts. Carbon applications which do not explicitly use ATSUI or MLTE are limited in how much of the font they can use. Cocoa apps are pretty much able to do anything. == John H. Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tejat.net/
RE: Mac Unicode question
David I don't think anyone replied to this. As far as I know, these are the only applications for Mac OS 9 that can use Windows TrueType fonts: 1) WorldText, an editor produced by Apple that requires OS 9.1 or later. 2) SUE (Simple Unicode Editor) http://members.tripod.com/%7Etomaszek/sue.html 3) Pepper, a text editor that runs under both Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X 10 http://www.hekkelman.com/pepper.html 4) MLTE Demo, a text editor for OS 9 ttp://www.merzwaren.com/snippets/index.html#mltedemo 5) Possibly jEdit, a Java text editor for programmers, but I cannot get Java to work on my OS 9.2.2 http://www.jedit.org 6) Possibly Simredo, a Java text editor, but I cannot get Java to work http://www4.vc-net.ne.jp/~klivo/sim/simeng.htm Alan Wood http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, special characters, pesticide names) > -Original Message- > From: David J. Perry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:26 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Mac Unicode question > > I have a large unicode TT font (Windows/OS X) that some people want to > use under earlier versions of Mac OS X. I know that Unicode support > began with OS 8.5 but that many applications were never updated to take > advantage of it. > > I've been told that Mac apps that _were_ updated can use Windows TT > fonts just as OS X can. I'm dubious but the source usually knows what > he's talking about. Can anybody confirm? I don't have an older Mac to > test on. > > Thanks - David >
