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Mark Davis wrote: awful. At least with inches, feet, and miles, the number of feet per mile don't vary depending on which mile one is talking about! A Danish mile is 7 km, a Swedish mile (a fairly popular distance measure here) is 10 km, and an English mile is a mere 1.6 km (approx.). So yes, the number of feet per mile does vary depending on which mile one is talking about (even when considering that the length of a foot originally depended on who's foot was used to measure). ;-) (Sorry for being OT) /kent k PS Originally the Swedish mile was marginally longer than 10 km, but via nymil (new mile) or myriameter, the original term mile (mil) was adopted for the metric adapted distance.
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On 20/08/2003 04:58, Kent Karlsson wrote: Mark Davis wrote: awful. At least with inches, feet, and miles, the number of feet per mile don't vary depending on which mile one is talking about! A Danish mile is 7 km, a Swedish mile (a fairly popular distance measure here) is 10 km, and an English mile is a mere 1.6 km (approx.). So yes, the number of feet per mile does vary depending on which mile one is talking about (even when considering that the length of a foot originally depended on who's foot was used to measure). ;-) (Sorry for being OT) /kent k PS Originally the Swedish mile was marginally longer than 10 km, but via nymil (new mile) or myriameter, the original term mile (mil) was adopted for the metric adapted distance. Well, a Roman mile was originally a thousand (double) paces, which depended on how long your legs were and how much of a hurry you were in. It was standardised as marginally shorter than the English mile. I guess English legs tended to be longer than Roman ones. But Swedish legs ... I know many Swedes are tall, but not that much taller than us! Your Swedish mile sounds more like what we call a league. From Websters 1913 edition, at http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/league: 1. A measure of length or distance, varying in different countries from about 2.4 to 4.6 English statute miles of 5.280 feet each, and used (as a land measure) chiefly on the continent of Europe, and in the Spanish parts of America. The marine league of England and the United States is equal to three marine, or geographical, miles of 6080 feet each. Note: The English land league is equal to three English statute miles. The Spanish and French leagues vary in each country according to usage and the kind of measurement to which they are applied. The Dutch and German leagues contain about four geographical miles, or about 4.6 English statute miles. Thank goodness that most of these measurements are obsolete! -- Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) http://www.qaya.org/
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Peter Kirk wrote: [...] I guess English legs tended to be longer than Roman ones. Well, if by English you mean those Germanic barbarians who invaded Britannia, I guess that the British mile existed way before they set their feet on the island... _ Marco
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Doug Ewell wrote: Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500 mL, just as a fifth of liquor in America is now officially 750 mL? Seems like a good task for an ISO working group. You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric And Imperial Units Whose Difference Is So Small As To Be Pointless. E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the following sign: TOILETS --- 50 yds (45.72 m) It must be a really urgent need if one cares about those 3.28 metres... _ Marco
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On 19/08/2003 02:51, Marco Cimarosti wrote: Doug Ewell wrote: Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500 mL, just as a fifth of liquor in America is now officially 750 mL? Seems like a good task for an ISO working group. You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric And Imperial Units Whose Difference Is So Small As To Be Pointless. I assure you the beer drinkers of the UK and probably Ireland would rise in revolt and burn down the European Parliament or some other convenient scapegoat if you tried to serve them half litres or Flintstone pints when they were expecting their full measure. 15% difference, or whatever it is, is not trivial! E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the following sign: TOILETS --- 50 yds (45.72 m) It must be a really urgent need if one cares about those 3.28 metres... After a few full pints of Guinness one will even care about the metre that you left out! :-) -- Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) http://www.qaya.org/
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Marco Cimarosti schreef: E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the following sign: TOILETS --- 50 yds (45.72 m) It must be a really urgent need if one cares about those 3.28 metres... 4.28 actually. But are you serious about lengthening the yard to be the same size as the meter? Ha! Fat chance! You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether! Pim Blokland
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In Esperanto, there is no word for yard. If you want to say It was 50 yards away you are expected to convert the distance to meters before translation. Such is the requirement of a global language. However, Esperanto was not entirely successful in its goal to become a second language for everyone, given that more people speak Klingon than Esperanto, so this is probably irrelevant to your statement (which was itself irrelevant to the subject title, which was off topic from the original title, which was in turn off topic for this forum). I think that made sense. Jill -Original Message- From: Marco Cimarosti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:51 AM To: 'Doug Ewell'; Unicode Mailing List Cc: Michael Everson Subject: RE: [Way OT] Beer measurements (was: Re: Handwritten EURO sign) E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the following sign: TOILETS --- 50 yds (45.72 m) It must be a really urgent need if one cares about those 3.28 metres... _ Marco
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At 13:18 +0200 2003-08-19, Pim Blokland wrote: You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether! What a superb idea. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
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Marco Cimarosti scripsit: You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric And Imperial Units Whose Difference Is So Small As To Be Pointless. E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the following sign: Because the yard isn't just an isolated unit, like the pound in various European countries. It's part of a coherent (if profoundly messy) system. If we reduce the yard by 9%, the inch has to shrink too, and the last thing we want is to try to fit a 1/4 inch bolt (6.35 mm) into a nut whose inside diameter is only 5.81 mm. It's bad enough to have to have two kinds of hardware already: having incompatible things both labeled 1/4 inch would be the facilis descensus Averno indeed. -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reutershealth.com www.ccil.org/~cowan The exception proves the rule. Dimbulbs think: Your counterexample proves my theory. Latin students think 'Probat' means 'tests': the exception puts the rule to the proof. But legal historians know it means Evidence for an exception is evidence of the existence of a rule in cases not excepted from.
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Michael Everson scripsit: At 13:18 +0200 2003-08-19, Pim Blokland wrote: You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether! What a superb idea. 'Sblood, nay! I love the metric system as well as any, but have no desire to have my yard abolished. -- Do I contradict myself?John Cowan Very well then, I contradict myself.[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am large, I contain multitudes. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan --Walt Whitman, _Leaves of Grass_ http://www.reutershealth.com
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At 08:41 -0400 2003-08-19, John Cowan wrote: Michael Everson scripsit: At 13:18 +0200 2003-08-19, Pim Blokland wrote: You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether! What a superb idea. 'Sblood, nay! I love the metric system as well as any, but have no desire to have my yard abolished. It shall pass the way of the cubit and the stadia -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit: However, Esperanto was not entirely successful in its goal to become a second language for everyone, given that more people speak Klingon than Esperanto, Entirely false. Esperanto speakers are numbered in the millions, including hundreds, perhaps thousands, who speak it natively. It is a complete human language with a vocabulary capable of discussing anything, and a literature including both prose and poetry. Fluent Klingon speakers probably do not exceed 100, and there is only one native speaker, who no longer speaks it; the vocabulary is quite limited, as is the literature. -- De plichten van een docent zijn divers, John Cowan die van het gehoor ook. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Edsger Dijkstra http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
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Michael Everson scripsit: 'Sblood, nay! I love the metric system as well as any, but have no desire to have my yard abolished. It shall pass the way of the cubit and the stadia Michael. Look up yard in that OED of yours. Then tell me again just how much you wish to have it abolished. -- LEAR: Dost thou call me fool, boy? John Cowan FOOL: All thy other titles http://www.ccil.org/~cowan thou hast given away: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That thou wast born with. http://www.reutershealth.com
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Pim Blokland wrote: It must be a really urgent need if one cares about those 3.28 metres... 4.28 actually. Ooops. But are you serious about lengthening the yard to be the same size as the meter? I was just joking... Ha! Fat chance! You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether! ... What I really meant was this, in fact. Everybody understands that 50 yards on a sign for a toilet, or 1000 yards on a sign for a filling station are just rough approximation (especially since they cannot know in advance which closet or hose I will use). They just mean The toilet is quite close, resist! and Start slowing down and prepare to turn. It would be just as fine writing 50 m or 1000 m. Of course, this is if you *want* to abolish the imperial system and adopt the metre; but this *is* what UK and Ireland have decided to do. _ Marco
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Marco Cimarosti marco dot cimarosti at essetre dot it wrote: E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the following sign: TOILETS --- 50 yds (45.72 m) Around the 1970s, it became fashionable for baseball stadiums to display field dimensions on the outfield walls in meters as well as feet. Unfortunately, they decided to be overly precise with the conversions, and so you saw things like 330 ft 100.58 m painted on the wall. This taught millions of young baseball fans that the use of metric units requires carrying measurements out to 5 significant figures. (Of course, the original 330 feet was not necessarily exact to the nearest 0.01 foot.) -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/
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on 2003-08-19 02:51 Marco Cimarosti wrote: TOILETS --- 50 yds (45.72 m) To be precise, it should have said 50.00 yards (or perhaps 46 m). -- Curtis Clark http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/ Mockingbird Font Works http://www.mockfont.com/
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At 08:37 -0700 2003-08-19, Doug Ewell wrote: Around the 1970s, it became fashionable for baseball stadiums to display field dimensions on the outfield walls in meters as well as feet. Because of the Canadians? -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
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on 2003-08-19 04:18 Pim Blokland wrote: Ha! Fat chance! You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether! Then, how would I have a yard sale? (or even a yard sail?) -- Curtis Clark http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/ Mockingbird Font Works http://www.mockfont.com/
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At 10:39 -0400 2003-08-19, John Cowan wrote: Michael. Look up yard in that OED of yours. Then tell me again just how much you wish to have it abolished. It will be a great day when the US finally accepts and implements the metric system. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
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At some time in the 70's when I was at conference to mark the centenary of the Greenwich meridian I learned that the French agreed to give up the Paris meridian if the British agreed to go metric-and that was over a century ago ! Maybe the U.S. could be bribed to go metric if they were allowed to have Washington as the standard meridian. Raymond Mercier
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Cowan Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:41 PM To: Marco Cimarosti Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SPAM: Re: [Way OT] Beer measurements (was: Re: Handwritten EURO sign) It's bad enough to have to have two kinds of hardware already: having incompatible things both labeled 1/4 inch would be the facilis descensus Averno indeed. There are three: Metric, regular Imperial with 1/32, 1/8 etc. and decimal Imperial with 0.1. -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reutershealth.com www.ccil.org/~cowan The exception proves the rule. Dimbulbs think: Your counterexample proves my theory. Latin students think 'Probat' means 'tests': the exception puts the rule to the proof. But legal historians know it means Evidence for an exception is evidence of the existence of a rule in cases not excepted from.
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Michael Everson scripsit: Michael. Look up yard in that OED of yours. Then tell me again just how much you wish to have it abolished. It will be a great day when the US finally accepts and implements the metric system. I agree entirely. -- One Word to write them all, John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] One Access to find them, http://www.reutershealth.com One Excel to count them all,http://www.ccil.org/~cowan And thus to Windows bind them.--Mike Champion
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On Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:46 PM, Raymond Mercier wrote: At some time in the 70's when I was at conference to mark the centenary of the Greenwich meridian I learned that the French agreed to give up the Paris meridian if the British agreed to go metric-and that was over a century ago ! Since we're speaking of the French (we are, aren't we?) what ever happened to French Revolutionary Metric Time? Maybe the U.S. could be bribed to go metric if they were allowed to have Washington as the standard meridian. Sorry, it would have to be Greenbank, not Washington. However, the radio telescope there fell over in a storm years ago, so never mind. Personally, I prefer base 60 and base 16 to base 10. (But please, this is not an attempt to link this thread, whatever it is, to the Hexadecimal thread. 50159344557) Ted Ted Hopp, Ph.D. ZigZag, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-301-990-7453 newSLATE is your personal learning workspace ...on the web at http://www.newSLATE.com/
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Yes, I am sick and tired of dealing with this horrible non-decimal measurement system the US has for time: the number of units per other unit vary all across the board: 60..61 : 1, 60 : 1, 24 : 1, 28..31 : 1, 12 : 1, 365..366 : 1 -- awful. At least with inches, feet, and miles, the number of feet per mile don't vary depending on which mile one is talking about! I'll be so glad to shift to a metric system for time, as they use in Europe, so we won't have to deal with this stuff any more. How could anyone prefer this to a metric system? Mark __ http://www.macchiato.com Eppur si muove - Original Message - From: John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:15 Subject: Re: [Way OT] Beer measurements (was: Re: Handwritten EURO sign) Michael Everson scripsit: Michael. Look up yard in that OED of yours. Then tell me again just how much you wish to have it abolished. It will be a great day when the US finally accepts and implements the metric system. I agree entirely. -- One Word to write them all, John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] One Access to find them, http://www.reutershealth.com One Excel to count them all,http://www.ccil.org/~cowan And thus to Windows bind them.--Mike Champion
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Ted Hopp writes Since we're speaking of the French (we are, aren't we?) what ever happened to French Revolutionary Metric Time? The other French attempts were less successful, such as the 12 30-day months. The French names for the months Vendmiaire, etc., were parodied in an English version: wheezy, sneezy, freezy, slippy, etc. One decimal dystem that survives is the grad (400 grad = 360 degrees), still used at least by surveyors, but Laplace used it in astronomical calculations. The Americans won't have the meter now, unless it's renamed the freedom-yard, I suppose. Raymond
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John Cowan recently said: Marco Cimarosti scripsit: You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric And Imperial Units Whose Difference Is So Small As To Be Pointless. E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the following sign: Because the yard isn't just an isolated unit, like the pound in various European countries. It's part of a coherent (if profoundly messy) system. If we reduce the yard by 9%, the inch has to shrink too, and the last thing we want is to try to fit a 1/4 inch bolt (6.35 mm) into a nut whose inside diameter is only 5.81 mm. It's bad enough to have to have two kinds of hardware already: having incompatible things both labeled 1/4 inch would be the facilis descensus Averno indeed. In the UK the inch is now defined as 25.4mm rather than a subdivision of a standard yard kept under lock and key. If you peruse electronics catalogues you will discover that many components have leads spaced at a pitch of 2.54mm which seems a remarkable degree of accuracy. When I was younger they were a nice round 0.1. Tim -- Tim Partridge. Any opinions expressed are mine only and not those of my employer
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Mark, Yes, I am sick and tired of dealing with this horrible non-decimal measurement system the US has for time: the number of units per other unit vary all across the board: 60..61 : 1, 60 : 1, 24 : 1, 28..31 : 1, 12 : 1, 365..366 : 1 -- awful. At least with inches, feet, and miles, the number of feet per mile don't vary depending on which mile one is talking about! However, just try to sort out a set of drill bits. 11/64 etc. I also have a hard time remembering that a Hundredweight c.w.t is 112 pounds. I am glad that it is not in common usage. But working on a house with feet, inches and fractions drives me absolutely crazy. At least with clocks you are not doing tremendous amounts of math to do anything. The only time when clocks are a problem is when you are dealing with multiple time zones. Carl
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Timothy Partridge scripsit: In the UK the inch is now defined as 25.4mm rather than a subdivision of a standard yard kept under lock and key. True enough, but the yard is still exactly 36 inches. -- If you have ever wondered if you are in hell, John Cowan it has been said, then you are on a well-traveled http://www.ccil.org/~cowan road of spiritual inquiry. If you are absolutely http://www.reutershealth.com sure you are in hell, however, then you must be [EMAIL PROTECTED] on the Cross Bronx Expressway. --Alan Feur, NYTimes, 2002-09-20
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Ted Hopp wrote: Sorry, it would have to be Greenbank, not Washington. Greenbank. Hm... has a nice ring to it. Greenbank... Greenbank Mean Time. I could live with that. On a (hardly) more serious note, Mark Davis wrote: this horrible non-decimal measurement system the US has for time: the number of units per other unit vary all across the board: 60..61 : 1, 60 : 1, 24 : 1, 28..31 : 1, 12 : 1, 365..366 : 1 -- awful. If you don't want to give up the year as a unit, you will always be stuck with this ratio of 365.24 days to the year; no way you can change that. Live with it. We can discard the months, of course, the length of the months isn't related to anything anymore; the weeks can go as well, and if we just divide the day up in 10 small units, we've done away with most of the illogics. At least with inches, feet, and miles, the number of feet per mile don't vary depending on which mile one is talking about! Well, not all of those measurements are the same size. Disregarding nautical miles, there's still the matter of the yards. Did I mention that my front yard is not the same size as my back yard? Pim Blokland
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Carl W. Brown scripsit: I also have a hard time remembering that a Hundredweight c.w.t is 112 pounds. I am glad that it is not in common usage. The Imperial cwt is indeed 112 lb, but the U.S. customary cwt remains 100 lb. But working on a house with feet, inches and fractions drives me absolutely crazy. At least with clocks you are not doing tremendous amounts of math to do anything. The only time when clocks are a problem is when you are dealing with multiple time zones. A kilosec is a reasonable amount of time to wait for a late appointment (in some countries, anyhow). A megasec is enough time to do a small project. If a marriage lasts a gigasec, it is doing very well. -- There is / One art John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] No more / No less http://www.reutershealth.com To do / All things http://www.ccil.org/~cowan With art- / Lessness -- Piet Hein
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John, A kilosec is a reasonable amount of time to wait for a late appointment (in some countries, anyhow). A megasec is enough time to do a small project. If a marriage lasts a gigasec, it is doing very well. 1 pictun = 20 baktun = 2,880,000 days = approx. 7885 years 1 calabtun = 20 pictun = 57,600,000 days = approx. 158,000 years 1 kinchiltun = 20 calabtun = 1,152,000,000 days = approx. 3 million years 1 alautun = 20 kinchiltun = 23,040,000,000 days = approx. 63 million years The Mayans must have been very patient people. Carl
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Resending with the correct address... On 19/08/2003 13:49, Carl W. Brown wrote: Mark, Yes, I am sick and tired of dealing with this horrible non-decimal measurement system the US has for time: the number of units per other unit vary all across the board: 60..61 : 1, 60 : 1, 24 : 1, 28..31 : 1, 12 : 1, 365..366 : 1 -- awful. At least with inches, feet, and miles, the number of feet per mile don't vary depending on which mile one is talking about! However, just try to sort out a set of drill bits. 11/64 etc. I also have a hard time remembering that a Hundredweight c.w.t is 112 pounds. I am glad that it is not in common usage. But working on a house with feet, inches and fractions drives me absolutely crazy. At least with clocks you are not doing tremendous amounts of math to do anything. The only time when clocks are a problem is when you are dealing with multiple time zones. Carl It drives me even more crazy when some of the things I need to work on my house are in feet, some in yards, and some in metres. I measure things up in metres then find what I am buying supplied in feet, or vice versa. Well, I think it's all supposed to be metric, but it isn't. -- Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) http://www.qaya.org/
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Curtis == Curtis Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marco TOILETS --- 50 yds (45.72 m) Curtis To be precise, it should have said 50.00 yards (or perhaps 46 m). Actually, 50 only has one significant digit, so that would in fact round to 50 m afterall. -JimC
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Ted Hopp ted at newslate dot com wrote: Since we're speaking of the French (we are, aren't we?) what ever happened to French Revolutionary Metric Time? It was revived in 1998, but the meridian was moved to Switzerland, the day was divided into 1000 beats instead of 10 hours of 100 minutes each, and the whole thing was dubbed Swatch Internet Time. See: http://www.swatch.com/internettime/home.php -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/ @210
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Ted Hopp ted at newslate dot com wrote: Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500 mL, just as a fifth of liquor in America is now officially 750 mL? Seems like a good task for an ISO working group. Egads! THAT would be enough to drive a person to drink. Thus promoting widespread use of the standard, an often-stated goal of ISO. OK, I'm done with this thread. Back to Unicode. -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/
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Doug Ewell scripsit: Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500 mL, just as a fifth of liquor in America is now officially 750 mL? Seems like a good task for an ISO working group. Arrgh. Shall we return to a firkin of beer in London being one size, a firkin of wine in London another, whereas in the rest of England a firkin, of beer or wine indifferently, was still a third size? Pints, unlike fifths, are in general use. Leave bad enough alone. -- They tried to pierce your heartJohn Cowan with a Morgul-knife that remains in the http://www.ccil.org/~cowan wound. If they had succeeded, you wouldhttp://www.reutershealth.com become a wraith under the domination of the Dark Lord. --Gandalf
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On Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:48 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500 mL, just as a fifth of liquor in America is now officially 750 mL? Seems like a good task for an ISO working group. Egads! THAT would be enough to drive a person to drink. Ted Ted Hopp, Ph.D. ZigZag, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-301-990-7453 newSLATE is your personal learning workspace ...on the web at http://www.newSLATE.com/
