Re: Weird characters that are hard to pigeonhole. (was: how to telljapanese from chinese)

[Marion Gunn]

...
Yeah! That's U+204A (TIRONIAN SIGN ET). I thought it was modern Irish;
is it medieval?
_ Marco


It is used both in Medieval and in Modern Irish (in e-mail, we use
digit 7 as substitute, as for example, in "beir bua 7 beannacht' as a fairly
typical way to end an e-mail msg).
mg
 
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Marion Gunn
Everson Gunn Teoranta

 

RE: Weird characters that are hard to pigeonhole

[John Hudson]

At 20:45 6/8/2001 +0100, Michael Everson wrote, re. the TIRONIAN SIGN ET:

>No, it is Roman. It derives from the Tironian shorthand system.

Invented by our namesake. For this reason alone, I have decided to include 
this character in all my fonts from henceforth.

John Hudson

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Re: Weird characters that are hard to pigeonhole

[Michael Everson]

At 12:50 -0700 2001-06-08, Wm Seán Glen wrote:
>I thought the medieval Irish Scribes borrowed it from the Hebrew.

I don't think there's much evidence to suggest that any of them knew Hebrew.
-- 
Michael Everson

Re: Weird characters that are hard to pigeonhole. (was: how to tell japanese from chinese)

[Curtis Clark]

At 09:45 AM 6/8/01, =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJEYkcyRJJCYkaiRlJCYkOBsoQg==?= wrote:
>Is there a codepoint for MEDIEVAL AMPERSAND, which looks like modern DIGIT 
>SEVEN, so much so that in modern books DIGIT SEVEN is used to transcribe it?

U+204A TIRONIAN SIGN ET


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RE: Weird characters that are hard to pigeonhole

[Michael Everson]

At 19:50 +0200 2001-06-08, Marco Cimarosti wrote:

>  > Is there a codepoint for MEDIEVAL AMPERSAND, which looks like modern
>>  DIGIT SEVEN, so much so that in modern books DIGIT SEVEN is used to
>>  transcribe it?
>
>Yeah! That's U+204A (TIRONIAN SIGN ET). I thought it was modern Irish; is it
>medieval?

No, it is Roman. It derives from the Tironian shorthand system. It 
was used in medieval manuscripts, particularly in the insular 
tradition of writing (Irish and Old English manuscripts). It has 
never fallen out of use in Ireland, and, although typographically a 
digit 7 (alas) is sometimes used for it, it's even appearing on "Pay 
and Display" parking signs as "Íoc 7 Taispeáin".
-- 
Michael Everson

Re: Weird characters that are hard to pigeonhole. (was: how to tell japanese from chinese)

[Wm Seán Glen]

I thought the medieval Irish Scribes borrowed it from the Hebrew.
Se¨¢n

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marco Cimarosti 
  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
  Sent: Friday, 08 June, 2001 10:50
  Subject: RE: Weird characters that are hard to pigeonhole. (was: 
  how to tell japanese from chinese)
  Is there a codepoint for MEDIEVAL AMPERSAND, which looks like 
  modern DIGIT SEVEN, so much so that in modern books DIGIT SEVEN is used to 
  transcribe it?Yeah! That's U+204A (TIRONIAN SIGN ET). I thought it was 
  modern Irish; is it medieval?_ Marco

RE: Weird characters that are hard to pigeonhole. (was: how to tell japanese from chinese)

[Marco Cimarosti]

¤Æ¤ó¤É¤¦¤ê¤å¤¦¤¸ wrote:
> For instance, I wonder about the MEDIEVAL DIGIT FIVE, which you may
> have seen, whose glyph resembles DIGIT FOUR's glyph much more than
> it does DIGIT FIVE's glyph. How to encode it?

I guess Unicode would call this a "glyph variation". However I am curious:
can you produce a picture or ASCII/JIS art of it?

> Is there a codepoint for MEDIEVAL AMPERSAND, which looks like modern
> DIGIT SEVEN, so much so that in modern books DIGIT SEVEN is used to
> transcribe it?

Yeah! That's U+204A (TIRONIAN SIGN ET). I thought it was modern Irish; is it
medieval?

_ Marco