Re: Unicode and Script Encoding Initiative in San Jose Mercury News

2003-10-28 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 09:35 PM 10/27/03 -0800, Doug Ewell wrote:
That said, I can try to improve my use of real Unicode punctuation on
these lists, if I have time to paste it in (since my keyboard doesn't
support it).
Please don't.

 I remember being told by someone a few years back that I
should limit my use of UTF-8 on the Unicode list, due to the inability
of some list members' e-mail software to handle it.
You always have the choice of being a UTF-8 purist - OR - getting your point
across. Notice that we don't publish the standard as UTF-8 files, but in
PDF (where we can make sure we control what people get to see, so our
message gets across ;-).
A./





Re: Unicode and Script Encoding Initiative in San Jose Mercury News

2003-10-27 Thread Doug Ewell
Eric Muller emuller at adobe dot com wrote:

 Doug Ewell wrote:

 [...] about You see, boys and girls, computers think only in
 numbers -- in a Silicon Valley paper,

  [...] Should we tell them about real quotes?

 real quotes are not just for Web publication; they are also for
 email.
 Throw in real dashes, of the kind  en or em  you prefer

Nice.

I contend that my use of straight quotes and ASCII hyphi in an ephemeral
e-mail is far less offensive than the Mercury News'(s) use of ``this
abomination'' in a professionally written article.

That said, I can try to improve my use of real Unicode punctuation on
these lists, if I have time to paste it in (since my keyboard doesn't
support it).  I remember being told by someone a few years back that I
should limit my use of UTF-8 on the Unicode list, due to the inability
of some list members' e-mail software to handle it.  At the time I was
one of those members with a Unicode-ignorant e-mail client, and I still
didn't agree with the suggestion.

-Doug Ewell
 Fullerton, California
 http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/




Re: Unicode and Script Encoding Initiative in San Jose Mercury News

2003-10-25 Thread Doug Ewell
Deborah W. Anderson dwanders at pacbell dot net wrote:

 The Business section in today's San Jose Mercury News (Friday, Oct.
 24) has a story on Unicode and the Script Encoding Initiative:
 http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/7092371.htm

Nice article.  Good to see some mainstream publicity for this worthy
effort.

My eyes rolled waaay up when I got to the part about You see, boys and
girls, computers think only in numbers -- in a Silicon Valley paper,
yet!  But I guess this did appear in the Business section, not the
Technology section.

On the typographical dark side, it was quite discouraging to see ``this
horrible quoting convention'' in a Web publication of an article about
Unicode.  Should we tell them about real quotes?

-Doug Ewell
 Fullerton, California
 http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/




Re: Unicode and Script Encoding Initiative in San Jose Mercury News

2003-10-25 Thread Eric Muller


Doug Ewell wrote:

[...] about You see, boys and girls, computers think only in numbers 
-- in a Silicon Valley paper,


[...] Should we tell them about real quotes?
real quotes are not just for Web publication; they are also for email. 
Throw in real dashes, of the kind  en or em  you prefer

Eric.
8-)




Unicode and Script Encoding Initiative in San Jose Mercury News

2003-10-24 Thread Deborah W. Anderson
The Business section in today's San Jose Mercury News (Friday, Oct. 24) has a story on 
Unicode and the Script Encoding Initiative: 
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/7092371.htm

(The full article is available on the Web for a limited time.)

Deborah Anderson
Researcher, Dept. of Linguistics
UC Berkeley