Re: FW: Re: What should be radicals
11-digit replied: > 1) "Drunk". I assume you mean yopparai. (U+9154) Well, no, that is, again, the wine radical (U+9149), with 4 residual strokes. The 4 residual strokes constitute a component that itself is a character, U+5346. And the radical for *that* is 'ten', U+5341, not 'nine'. > > 2) What's that one with "sun" enclosed by "nine"? U+65EE. Part of one of the odd combinations that are used in Chinese to spell out dimorphemes that aren't part of the core Sinitic vocabulary. Actually it is 'sun' *under* 'nine', and the other pair is U+65EF, 'sun' *over* 'nine'. Together, ga1la2-zi or ga1la2-r, "dark corner". Or ga1gala2lar2 "(in) every nook and cranny". --Ken > --- Original Message --- > Thomas Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, [ISO-2022-JP] $B$F$s$I$&$j$e$&$8(B wrote: > > > >> Shouldn't HAN DIGIT NINE be a radical? I've seen it in a few places in kanji. > > > >Examples?
FW: Re: What should be radicals
1) "Drunk". 2) What's that one with "sun" enclosed by "nine"? $B!!!z$8$e$&$$$C$A$c$s!z(B $B!!;d$O$m$3$($s$i$+$Y$5!#(B Riddle of the week: What song is 35971040100? That is not a catalog number. Hint: the chorus is 3597104042 --- Original Message --- $B:9=P?M(B: Thomas Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; $B08@h(B: $B$F$s$I$&$j$e$&$8(B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; $BF|;~(B: 01/07/09 15:03 $B7oL>(B: Re: What should be radicals >On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, [ISO-2022-JP] $B$F$s$I$&$j$e$&$8(B wrote: > >> Shouldn't HAN DIGIT NINE be a radical? I've seen it in a few places in kanji. > >Examples? > >
RE: What should be radicals
Joe and John pondered: > It's time to bring this system into the 21st Century: where's the > >plastics radical, the fast-food radical, the unix radical?! > > > > Aren't you forgetting the Maoist radical? The Maoist radicals are being gradually supplanted by the free radicals, which are good for degrading the plastics radicals, but in conjunction with too many fast-food radicals from KFC, tend to harden the arteries. See "The role of oxidative stress in the genesis of heart disease": http://www.karlloren.com/biopsy/p64.htm#1 Now, have we completed going [OT] for the weekend? I think it is time to tune back to our normal stations and start arguing about UTF's again. --Ken
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"Becker, Joseph" wrote: > > > Unicode is going to stick with the KangXi radical system > > There Unicode goes again, flouting the will of the people ... while > meanwhile in another thread an esteemed Unicode elder has proposed the death > radical. It's time to bring this system into the 21st Century: where's the > plastics radical, the fast-food radical, the unix radical?! > Joe, It sounds like you're talking about productive innovation in the script. Watch out! Here come another 50,000 characters! -Richard
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At 10:53 AM -0700 7/9/01, Becker, Joseph wrote: > > Unicode is going to stick with the KangXi radical system > >There Unicode goes again, flouting the will of the people ... while >meanwhile in another thread an esteemed Unicode elder has proposed the death >radical. It's time to bring this system into the 21st Century: where's the >plastics radical, the fast-food radical, the unix radical?! > Aren't you forgetting the Maoist radical? -- = John H. Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.mac.com/jenkins/
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> Unicode is going to stick with the KangXi radical system There Unicode goes again, flouting the will of the people ... while meanwhile in another thread an esteemed Unicode elder has proposed the death radical. It's time to bring this system into the 21st Century: where's the plastics radical, the fast-food radical, the unix radical?! Joe
Re: What should be radicals
Title: Re: What should be radicals I take it you mean chiht/qiè? That comes under the 'knife' radical. 'sword' isn't a radical, it comes under the 'side' variant of the radical 'knife'. I don't know about Kanji, but in Cantonese characters NINE doesn't ever feature as a radical; certainly as an element, but so do a lot of other 'bits of characters'such as the right side of 'you' néih/ni ... Michael - Original Message - From: John H. Jenkins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Re: What should be radicals At 11:02 PM -0700 7/8/01, §§Û§Š§¶§Í§Â§¶§½ wrote: Shouldn't HAN DIGIT NINE be a radical? I've seen it in a few places in kanji.Also, what is the radical of "cut"? "Sword"? I remember the "cut" chatacter by thinking that 7 swords do a lot of cutting. Unicode is going to stick with the KangXi radical system. It's the best-known and most widely used. It's not flawless, goodness knows, but it's really the best choice under the circumstances. -- =John H. Jenkins[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]http://homepage.mac.com/jenkins/
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Title: Re: What should be radicals At 11:02 PM -0700 7/8/01, §§Û§§¶§Í§Â§¶§½ wrote: Shouldn't HAN DIGIT NINE be a radical? I've seen it in a few places in kanji. Also, what is the radical of "cut"? "Sword"? I remember the "cut" chatacter by thinking that 7 swords do a lot of cutting. Unicode is going to stick with the KangXi radical system. It's the best-known and most widely used. It's not flawless, goodness knows, but it's really the best choice under the circumstances. -- = John H. Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.mac.com/jenkins/
What should be radicals
Shouldn't HAN DIGIT NINE be a radical? I've seen it in a few places in kanji. Also, what is the radical of "cut"? "Sword"? I remember the "cut" chatacter by thinking that 7 swords do a lot of cutting. $B!!!z$8$e$&$$$C$A$c$s!z(B $B!!;d$O$m$3$($s$i$+$Y$5!#(B Riddle of the week: What song is 35971040100? That is not a catalog number. Hint: the chorus is 3597104042 --- Original Message --- $B:9=P?M(B: Richard Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; $B08@h(B: James Kass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; $BF|;~(B: 01/07/09 4:29 $B7oL>(B: Re: Erratum in Unicode book >James Kass wrote: >> >> Richard Cook wrote: >> >> > "John H. Jenkins" wrote: >> > > >> > > It is on occasion something of an art figuring out the correct >> > > radical/stroke position for a character in this kind of an index, sad >> > > to say. >> > >> > I'd say, when 2 radicals are possible, put it under both. When 3, well >> > ... you probably get the idea ... >> > >> >> This is a swell item to add to a "wish list", but imagine the >> challenge faced by anyone wanting to set-up such a database: >> existing information is sorted by residual strokes after the >> significant radical. When you want to add each character >> under every one of its components, these residual stroke >> counts would need to be re-counted for each 'permutation' >> of every character! > >Well, not all components are Kang Xi radicals. > >What you're talking about is not a Kang Xi index, but a complete >component index, and this is not quite the technical feat you imagine. > >E.g., I have complete component and rad/str data that is lexicon >specific (Shuowen), and somewhat less complete general data. > >The most comprehensive collection of such data is from >http://www.wenlin.com . When compiling wish lists, watch Wenlin's development. > >> >> The Han Radical Index is set up for people familiar with CJK, >> the rest of us will just have to guess (and learn something during >> each look-up process, I'd suspect.) >> > >Even for experts,there are cases in which the choice of a single >classifier is completely arbitrary, or at least apprently so to the >casual user. In these cases, putting the character under both is a good >idea. > >
