Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors
Gosh, this has been super interesting. Maybe we could make a listserv for people to discuss the listserv itself. It would be a great place to debate the merits of the listserv, discuss listserv philosophy, explore the fascinating nuances of e-manners, and gossip about other listservs. If my inbox is any indicator, I'm sure this would be a busy and successful list. -Mariellen At 11:51 PM 9/11/2007, Anthony West wrote: Get it about the filtering, etc., Frank. Still, many posters report they don't use listserves that way. They want to be able to scan a field of social incoming without constantly having to filter out objectionable public behavior. For them, internet public spaces that are responsive to consensual manners may be preferable to public spaces that resist them. Of course Dahlak is a public house by ancient English usage, Frank. Maybe not for you -- but clearly it is for many other members of the public. In fact, I'll bet you a trillion electrons there are thousands of residents of University City who consider hanging out at places like Dahlak public behavior and consider whanging away at places like UC-list private behavior. Takes all kinds, eh? -- Tony West Frank wrote: DeSales and Dahlak are public spaces?? The owners of Dahlak can refuse admission to practically anyone, I think, as long as they are not discriminating. DeSales is probably given even more leeway. I'm not sure about Locust Walk. Is it a city street or is it privately-owned? I've posted before about the difference between an obnoxious drunk in a bar and an obnoxious member of an e-mail list. I think it's obvious but, since you brought it up again, you don't seem to get it, so I'll say it again. Individuals on an unmoderated list can decide for themselves to filter out whomever they like with a couple of mouse clicks. The decision isn't made for them by someone else. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Fire!
Frank wrote: I posted it to YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W32v5TbmpCE yikes. that looks like an electrical fire, doesn't it? I walked by the day it happened and saw a bunch of campus tech guys on the scene with cable spools and whatnot (campus tech = subsidiary of campus apartments, at 42nd and walnut, http://www.campustechnologies.net/Who_we_are/who_we_are.html) coincidentally, there seems to be outbreaks on other student blocks, and it's been covered in the dp: http://tinyurl.com/3ympxb http://tinyurl.com/38yfnc http://tinyurl.com/2k3agb http://tinyurl.com/2m2vw5 and according the the dp, it's peco's fault: http://tinyurl.com/24trxx It has been over a week and electrical fires continue to crop up around campus. Residents have been displaced, put in harm's way, and forced to guess when their power will go out next. The first fire at 41st and Walnut streets last Monday could have been forgiven as a malfunction - that is, if PECO hadn't taken 30 minutes to arrive on the scene. However, the three subsequent fires, a second at 41st and Walnut streets and two more on the 3900 block of Delancey Street, raise questions about PECO's dedication to residents' safety. Clearly the wiring and transformers are outdated and in dire need of replacing. This is not just a matter of power outages but rather their consequences. Two days ago a student suffered second-degree burns on his hand after a candle he was forced to light -- because he didn't have power -- exploded due to a gas leak on the 3900 block of Delancey Street. What's more, high levels of carbon monoxide forced the evacuation of four homes on the block. Electrical fires, exploding manholes, gas leaks and carbon monoxide? PECO cannot in good conscience let these hazards go unaddressed. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated, more believable -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors
OR we could just post sarcastic comments about threads in which we have no interest. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Sep 12, 2007, at 09:48 AM, Mariellen Smith wrote: Gosh, this has been super interesting. Maybe we could make a listserv for people to discuss the listserv itself. It would be a great place to debate the merits of the listserv, discuss listserv philosophy, explore the fascinating nuances of e-manners, and gossip about other listservs. If my inbox is any indicator, I'm sure this would be a busy and successful list. -Mariellen At 11:51 PM 9/11/2007, Anthony West wrote: Get it about the filtering, etc., Frank. Still, many posters report they don't use listserves that way. They want to be able to scan a field of social incoming without constantly having to filter out objectionable public behavior. For them, internet public spaces that are responsive to consensual manners may be preferable to public spaces that resist them. Of course Dahlak is a public house by ancient English usage, Frank. Maybe not for you -- but clearly it is for many other members of the public. In fact, I'll bet you a trillion electrons there are thousands of residents of University City who consider hanging out at places like Dahlak public behavior and consider whanging away at places like UC-list private behavior. Takes all kinds, eh? -- Tony West Frank wrote: DeSales and Dahlak are public spaces?? The owners of Dahlak can refuse admission to practically anyone, I think, as long as they are not discriminating. DeSales is probably given even more leeway. I'm not sure about Locust Walk. Is it a city street or is it privately-owned? I've posted before about the difference between an obnoxious drunk in a bar and an obnoxious member of an e-mail list. I think it's obvious but, since you brought it up again, you don't seem to get it, so I'll say it again. Individuals on an unmoderated list can decide for themselves to filter out whomever they like with a couple of mouse clicks. The decision isn't made for them by someone else. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Fire!
The power was out at the Wawa on 38th St on Monday night which is a MAJOR and recurring problem here. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:49 AM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: Frank wrote: I posted it to YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W32v5TbmpCE yikes. that looks like an electrical fire, doesn't it? I walked by the day it happened and saw a bunch of campus tech guys on the scene with cable spools and whatnot (campus tech = subsidiary of campus apartments, at 42nd and walnut, http:// www.campustechnologies.net/Who_we_are/who_we_are.html) coincidentally, there seems to be outbreaks on other student blocks, and it's been covered in the dp: http://tinyurl.com/3ympxb http://tinyurl.com/38yfnc http://tinyurl.com/2k3agb http://tinyurl.com/2m2vw5 and according the the dp, it's peco's fault: http://tinyurl.com/24trxx It has been over a week and electrical fires continue to crop up around campus. Residents have been displaced, put in harm's way, and forced to guess when their power will go out next. The first fire at 41st and Walnut streets last Monday could have been forgiven as a malfunction - that is, if PECO hadn't taken 30 minutes to arrive on the scene. However, the three subsequent fires, a second at 41st and Walnut streets and two more on the 3900 block of Delancey Street, raise questions about PECO's dedication to residents' safety. Clearly the wiring and transformers are outdated and in dire need of replacing. This is not just a matter of power outages but rather their consequences. Two days ago a student suffered second-degree burns on his hand after a candle he was forced to light -- because he didn't have power -- exploded due to a gas leak on the 3900 block of Delancey Street. What's more, high levels of carbon monoxide forced the evacuation of four homes on the block. Electrical fires, exploding manholes, gas leaks and carbon monoxide? PECO cannot in good conscience let these hazards go unaddressed. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated, more believable -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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[UC] Lois Bye Funderburg 9/17/26 – 8/15/0 7 (memorial service 9/22)
http://ucreview.com/ Lois and George had an enormous impact on our community. I feel so lucky to have known them and worked with them. - Melani Lois Bye Funderburg 9/17/26 – 8/15/07 More than sixty years ago, an idealistic group of people formed the Friendship Co-Operative, an intentionally multicultural community, in the Powelton Village section of Philadelphia. Over the following twenty years, they purchased buildings and lived co-operatively - men and women of different races and religions, respecting one another’s differences, and sharing leadership. When they began this venture in 1946, theirs was a very radical approach to housing. With banks redlining huge areas of cities and the FHA refusing to give mortgages in “mixed” neighborhoods, developing and maintaining a diverse community was not a simple matter. Recognizing additional community needs, ten years later Co-op members and others created the Powelton Village Development Association. The goal of this second organization was to reverse the deterioration of their neighborhood, neglected after many of the houses were chopped into apartments and rooming houses. They raised money, bought dilapidated properties, and convinced homebuyers to live in “the Village.” They brought enthusiasm and confidence to the area, encouraging neighbors to appreciate the diverse population and remarkable Victorian housing stock.At a time when other areas were experiencing “ white flight” and real estate salespeople were accused of “blockbusting,” PVDA described itself as “A Real Estate Firm With a Social Concern.” Lois Bye Funderburg, who died on August 15th at the age of 81, was an early Co-Op resident and founding PVDA board member who went on to become an extremely effective community leader and a dedicated local business owner. Her idealism, interest in people, and appreciation for West Philadelphia neighborhoods led to her life’s work in the area she helped name “University City.” In addition to the Co-op and PVDA, she devoted countless hours of volunteer time to the West Philadelphia Partnership, University City Historical Society, University City Arts League, and many other local groups, committees and initiatives. She was a founder and co-owner of Urban Developers, the residential real estate sales firm which she and her second husband, George Funderburg, operated for thirty years, beginning in 1961. She remained a University City resident until they retired. George Funderburg died last year on August 16, 2006, exactly 365 days before Lois. In a 1997 article in the Penn Gazette, writer Samuel Hughes quoted Lois: “ Philadelphia is a city of neighborhoods…West Philadelphia was such a huge place, and we were trying to develop a market in these big Victorian houses around the University, to encourage faculty to move back into a diversified neighborhood. So we decided to designate the area University City.” I had the privilege of working with Lois and George at Urban Developers, at 4100 Walnut Street, before they retired. (The firm was then combined with Bye Real Estate to become Urban Bye, Realtor, now owned by Lois’ son Arthur Bye and his wife Jan.) Lois was a mentor and role model for me, and many others. Today, most real estate firms are gigantic corporations with lots of salespeople, operating wherever there is money to be made, but Lois and George WERE Urban Developers and did most everything themselves, whether or not working in their chosen neighborhood was profitable. They were passionate about and dedicated to University City, donating very generously to so many community causes. Lois probably spent at least as much time on volunteer work as she did on sales, networking before that concept had a name – but networking had its rewards when neighbors needed a real estate agent. Small but mighty, Urban Developers sold more houses in the area than all of its competitors combined. Lois’ friend Sylvia Barkan says that she and Lois organized the first University City Historical Society House Tour in Garden Court in the mid-1970s, before house tours were common. And they didn’t just show the houses, Sylvia explains; they focused on the history and architectural styles as well. Lois was very knowledgeable and wrote beautiful, detailed, architectural descriptions of University City buildings and neighborhoods. Sylvia also recalls how hard Lois worked to encourage people to live in University City, a difficult task for many years. Lois and George drove potential buyers around the neighborhood and pointed out other houses they’d sold, hosted get-togethers, and continually promoted the features of the neighborhood. The University City Arts League was probably Lois’ favorite neighborhood organization. Her daughter Gwendolyn, who taught dance there before opening her own studio, recalls that Lois was on the board for twelve years or
Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from Hollywood)
Hello again,
Just so you all know, Glenn is wrong when he thinks I am new to this list. If
he would have only taken his own advise and checked the archives for my name he
would see that I'm about 5 years new to this list. Too bad I didn't post
the first day I joined or I might be 6 years new.
Interesting to see Glenn's quote though, Penn
believes it will intimidate the rest of the community by its silencing and
punishment of dissenters. Apparently now he can channel the collective
thoughts of the thousands of people that work for Penn. (Once again, that is
sarcasm for those that didn't follow it.)
barking cheese, anointed, Glenn can't help but resorting to name-calling
instead of using the true names. I guess name-calling is the level that some
really feel comfortable operating at.
Now back for some more name-calling,
Tony Dominick
- Original Message
From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tony Dominick [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv
UnivCity@list.purple.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:48:35 AM
Subject: Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from
Hollywood)
Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from Hollywood)
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Hi Mr. Dominick,
Since you are new to the list, let me help you understand the genesis of the
University of Pennsylvania censored e-mail listserv critisized on this public
list. I have been a long term member of the Penn community, and this censored
listserv will ultimately bring shame to our university.
I would suggest that you review the archives of the public purple list just
prior to July 30 to confirm my explanation. In addition to founding members
Cassidy, Anderson, Lamond, Siano, West, I can point you to others appearing in
the archives so that you can see that the claim about civility by the
justifiers
of censorship cannot possibly be supported.
As has been pointed out publicly, several founders of the censored Penn list
were part of a gang of individuals who have been employing various fallacious
argumentative strategies for years. These folks and their gang like tactics
were
thoroughly and publicly exposed and were recognized as the primary source of
incivility on this list. They appear to consider themselves Penn partners in a
new elite who will dominate society in a new plutocracy.
Banning dissenters on one side of neighborhood issues is notlight moderation
or light censortship. Yet it is the supportable conclusion for the
establishment of the new censored list. Prior to the establishment of barking
cheese not only had its founders tactics been thoroughly exposed but the public
list emerged as one of the rare opportunities allowing dissent, disclosure, and
questioning which is considered necessary in democratic societies.
In the year 2007, this public list emerged as a powerful obstacle to the
overwhelming Penn marketing machine. As the various unethical practises and
frauds driven by the University of Pennsylvania Real Estate monopolists
continue
to demand absolute power and the establishment of an elite plutocracy, this
list
emerged as one of the few venues for honest discussions and questioning. The
archives served as a public historical record.
As Penn’s cloaked agent UCD was caught violating federal law in 2007, it was
this listserv which provided the community stakeholders a powerful public
gathering for discussion. When Penn’s Real Estate spokesperson, Andrew Zitcer
attempted to denegrate dissent and opposition to Penn’s marketing scheme and
corporate domination, in a city wide publication; it was on this listserv that
the ethical failure to disclose their spokesperson’s true identity was exposed.
To this day, the rest of the city believes the spokesperson for Penn Real
Estate, Andrew Zitcer, is Everyman who finds citizens concerns about Penn
marketing and monopoly to be frivilous and stupid. The folks on this public
list
shared his actual role in the Penn machine and we have the opportunity to see
how dishonest the tactics of Penn Real Estate are in 2007..
Penn’s move to sponsor a censored private list called UC Neighbors is
designed to replace and minimize this rare public place for important
neighborhood discussions. As long term list readers understand, this sweet
barking cheese list is also a set-up for future astroturfing to support
corporate domination and rule over our community.
All local Penn agendas are masked with the claim that 80% to 100% of good
neighborhood consumers demand the Penn agenda. Astroturfing is a rather new
term
describing the false claim of grassroots support which the censored list will
falsely prove.
Please read back in the listserv archives and you will see that civility and
the need to ban 5 or 6 wrong thinking people is nothing but a bold lie. Penn
believes it will intimidate the rest of the community by its silencing and
punishment of dissenters. Several years ago, a local civic
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[UC] Re: Lois Bye Funderburg 9/17/26 8/15/07 (memorial service 9/22)
Hello, Melani. Thank you for the information about Lois Bye. Also, thanks to you and others who still keep in touch with the UC Listserv. It means a lot. -Wilma On 9/12/07 1:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ucreview.com/ Lois and George had an enormous impact on our community. I feel so lucky to have known them and worked with them. - Melani Lois Bye Funderburg 9/17/26 8/15/07 More than sixty years ago, an idealistic group of people formed the Friendship Co-Operative, an intentionally multicultural community, in the Powelton Village section of Philadelphia. Over the following twenty years, they purchased buildings and lived co-operatively - men and women of different races and religions, respecting one another¹s differences, and sharing leadership. When they began this venture in 1946, theirs was a very radical approach to housing. With banks redlining huge areas of cities and the FHA refusing to give mortgages in ³mixed² neighborhoods, developing and maintaining a diverse community was not a simple matter. Recognizing additional community needs, ten years later Co-op members and others created the Powelton Village Development Association. The goal of this second organization was to reverse the deterioration of their neighborhood, neglected after many of the houses were chopped into apartments and rooming houses. They raised money, bought dilapidated properties, and convinced homebuyers to live in ³the Village.² They brought enthusiasm and confidence to the area, encouraging neighbors to appreciate the diverse population and remarkable Victorian housing stock.At a time when other areas were experiencing ³white flight² and real estate salespeople were accused of ³blockbusting,² PVDA described itself as ³A Real Estate Firm With a Social Concern.² Lois Bye Funderburg, who died on August 15th at the age of 81, was an early Co-Op resident and founding PVDA board member who went on to become an extremely effective community leader and a dedicated local business owner. Her idealism, interest in people, and appreciation for West Philadelphia neighborhoods led to her life¹s work in the area she helped name ³University City.² In addition to the Co-op and PVDA, she devoted countless hours of volunteer time to the West Philadelphia Partnership, University City Historical Society, University City Arts League, and many other local groups, committees and initiatives. She was a founder and co-owner of Urban Developers, the residential real estate sales firm which she and her second husband, George Funderburg, operated for thirty years, beginning in 1961. She remained a University City resident until they retired. George Funderburg died last year on August 16, 2006, exactly 365 days before Lois. In a 1997 article in the Penn Gazette, writer Samuel Hughes quoted Lois: ³Philadelphia is a city of neighborhoodsWest Philadelphia was such a huge place, and we were trying to develop a market in these big Victorian houses around the University, to encourage faculty to move back into a diversified neighborhood. So we decided to designate the area University City.² I had the privilege of working with Lois and George at Urban Developers, at 4100 Walnut Street, before they retired. (The firm was then combined with Bye Real Estate to become Urban Bye, Realtor, now owned by Lois¹ son Arthur Bye and his wife Jan.) Lois was a mentor and role model for me, and many others. Today, most real estate firms are gigantic corporations with lots of salespeople, operating wherever there is money to be made, but Lois and George WERE Urban Developers and did most everything themselves, whether or not working in their chosen neighborhood was profitable. They were passionate about and dedicated to University City, donating very generously to so many community causes. Lois probably spent at least as much time on volunteer work as she did on sales, networking before that concept had a name but networking had its rewards when neighbors needed a real estate agent. Small but mighty, Urban Developers sold more houses in the area than all of its competitors combined. Lois¹ friend Sylvia Barkan says that she and Lois organized the first University City Historical Society House Tour in Garden Court in the mid-1970s, before house tours were common. And they didn¹t just show the houses, Sylvia explains; they focused on the history and architectural styles as well. Lois was very knowledgeable and wrote beautiful, detailed, architectural descriptions of University City buildings and neighborhoods. Sylvia also recalls how hard Lois worked to encourage people to live in University City, a difficult task for many years. Lois and George drove potential buyers around the neighborhood and pointed out other houses they¹d sold, hosted get-togethers, and continually promoted the features of the neighborhood. The
Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from Hollywood)
To the contrary, I for one did not think you were new to the UC Listserv. Glenn¹s position may be a bit extreme, but this doesn¹t mean that he or others might have experiences with community associations and Penn that are not so good. As for the ³annointed², that moniker has been used on this listserv for years. Sometimes I agreed and sometimes I didn¹t. -Wilma On 9/12/07 1:18 PM, Tony Dominick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, Just so you all know, Glenn is wrong when he thinks I am new to this list. If he would have only taken his own advise and checked the archives for my name he would see that I'm about 5 years new to this list. Too bad I didn't post the first day I joined or I might be 6 years new. Interesting to see Glenn's quote though, Penn believes it will intimidate the rest of the community by its silencing and punishment of dissenters. Apparently now he can channel the collective thoughts of the thousands of people that work for Penn. (Once again, that is sarcasm for those that didn't follow it.) barking cheese, anointed, Glenn can't help but resorting to name-calling instead of using the true names. I guess name-calling is the level that some really feel comfortable operating at. Now back for some more name-calling, Tony Dominick - Original Message From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tony Dominick [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:48:35 AM Subject: Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from Hollywood) Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from Hollywood) Hi Mr. Dominick, Since you are new to the list, let me help you understand the genesis of the University of Pennsylvania censored e-mail listserv critisized on this public list. I have been a long term member of the Penn community, and this censored listserv will ultimately bring shame to our university. I would suggest that you review the archives of the public purple list just prior to July 30 to confirm my explanation. In addition to founding members Cassidy, Anderson, Lamond, Siano, West, I can point you to others appearing in the archives so that you can see that the claim about civility by the justifiers of censorship cannot possibly be supported. As has been pointed out publicly, several founders of the censored Penn list were part of a gang of individuals who have been employing various fallacious argumentative strategies for years. These folks and their gang like tactics were thoroughly and publicly exposed and were recognized as the primary source of incivility on this list. They appear to consider themselves Penn partners in a new elite who will dominate society in a new plutocracy. Banning dissenters on one side of neighborhood issues is notlight moderation or light censortship. Yet it is the supportable conclusion for the establishment of the new censored list. Prior to the establishment of barking cheese not only had its founders tactics been thoroughly exposed but the public list emerged as one of the rare opportunities allowing dissent, disclosure, and questioning which is considered necessary in democratic societies. In the year 2007, this public list emerged as a powerful obstacle to the overwhelming Penn marketing machine. As the various unethical practises and frauds driven by the University of Pennsylvania Real Estate monopolists continue to demand absolute power and the establishment of an elite plutocracy, this list emerged as one of the few venues for honest discussions and questioning. The archives served as a public historical record. As Penn¹s cloaked agent UCD was caught violating federal law in 2007, it was this listserv which provided the community stakeholders a powerful public gathering for discussion. When Penn¹s Real Estate spokesperson, Andrew Zitcer attempted to denegrate dissent and opposition to Penn¹s marketing scheme and corporate domination, in a city wide publication; it was on this listserv that the ethical failure to disclose their spokesperson¹s true identity was exposed. To this day, the rest of the city believes the spokesperson for Penn Real Estate, Andrew Zitcer, is Everyman who finds citizens concerns about Penn marketing and monopoly to be frivilous and stupid. The folks on this public list shared his actual role in the Penn machine and we have the opportunity to see how dishonest the tactics of Penn Real Estate are in 2007.. Penn¹s move to sponsor a censored private list called UC Neighbors is designed to replace and minimize this rare public place for important neighborhood discussions. As long term list readers understand, this sweet barking cheese list is also a set-up for future astroturfing to support corporate domination and rule over our community. All local Penn agendas are masked with the claim that 80% to 100% of good neighborhood consumers demand the Penn
[UC] The metalist (Was: Re:Tony, Purple, Villanova)
Tell me about it, Mariellen! But I think that's always been the case with specialized communications societies. I can remember when, as a kid, ham radio operators still popped up here and there. I knew a few, who were always talking about the fact they, say, talked with a guy in Siberia last night or some such feat. Cool! I'd respond respectfully. What did you talk about? It usually transpired that they talked about the fact they were talking, and good the reception was, and what equipment they were using to talk with Needless to say, I never became a ham radio operator. I'm more of a content freak -- Tony West Gosh, this has been super interesting. Maybe we could make a listserv for people to discuss the listserv itself. It would be a great place to debate the merits of the listserv, discuss listserv philosophy, explore the fascinating nuances of e-manners, and gossip about other listservs. If my inbox is any indicator, I'm sure this would be a busy and successful list. -Mariellen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors - weasel clause
The next committee meeting will likely be at 6pm Wednesday, sep 26 at the Walnut St. Free Library. Review of minutes is part of each meeting. I'll notify neighborhood listserves when this is confirmed. -- Tony West Anthony West wrote: I haven't been scheduling these meetings but I will look into it and report back. -- Tony West back on july 18 tony west chaired a committee meeting about the upcoming community public forums being planned to address various topics wrt ucd. are there any minutes/notes from that meeting? any new developments, upcoming meetings? melani and I had asked about this earlier, back on july 18 and 23: [aka ray] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from Hollywood)
Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from Hollywood)Just so you all know, Glenn is wrong when he thinks I am new to this list. I stand corrected. Here is my corrected statement. Hi Mr Dominick, Since (I've never noticed any posts from you which I considered of interest or valuable,) let me (introduce myself and) help you understand the genesis of the University of Pennsylvania censored e-mail listserv criticized on this public list... First, could you identify the other 5 or 6 people whom you and your fellow list members believe should be pre-banned from the upenn.edu list? I've seen this 5 or 6 number stated repeatedly but I believe by leaving the individuals and their posts unidentified those statements should be understood as cowardly attempts to intimidate 300+ subscribers on this list. The only folks who come to my mind that fit your description are on the censored list and share a particular ideology. I've started a letter to the Daily Pennsylvanian and some Penn officials about the Cassidy list and this is important information. I am one of these 5 or 6, but identifying the others and their uncivil posts is rather important. You don't need to bother to try to understand why; it's not easy for many folks to understand. Even just their identities would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! If you answer my question, I promise I won't make the mistake of attempting a discussion or responding to you directly about your comments in the future. I may comment about your posts especially when they include silly criticisms or insults directed at me or contain pot shot insults towards others . When an individual doesn't first attempt a good faith effort to be part of any discussion but simply desires an opportunity for insults against people perceived as too smart to engage in civil discussion, I've decided to ignore such childishness to a point. I stopped being overly accepting as my nature and personality dictated around 2001. My foolish patience had only emboldened the bullies I dealt with at FOCP as well as the UCD executive director at that time. I had never been bullied before and lacked experience. I hold my failures somewhat responsible for our communities loss of Clark Park to Penn. In hindsight, my dedication to diplomacy, trust, and forgiveness kept me from exposing properly and timely what I was seeing as an overwhelming attempt to dominate, divide and conquer not only our park but community. My desire for civil and logical discussion was exploited. You could follow up with others whom have tangled with local civic associations to confirm this reality. I know some folks are expected to tolerate pathetic pot shots from strangers forever. After my years of experience with folks on the censored list, I know how this must be addressed even though I will respond without personal malice towards you. Isn't creation of your UC Neighbors actually a sign and symbol that gangs or bullying should not be coddled or given a free pass by strong citizens whom will not be intimidated? Let me simplify my explanation a bit. Proponents of a Penn led plutocracy simply could not win their arguments through years of public bullying and intimidation. Hence, UC Neighbors was established partly for this reason with Penn resources. As a five year list member, you've been able to witness the horrible behavior of several of the people on the censored list. Look how friendly, polite, and constructive this list has become except when folks from the censored list come back to insult or attack folks on the open list. I'm curious. Do you consider your last 2 posts constructive attempts to make important points or enter into a discussion? Thanks for the identities of the 5 or 6 other wankers. By the way, I did not start calling myself or others by this name. Your criticism of my use of names is a bit simplistic and seems like you are imposing a double standard when you ignore that the barking cheese crowd started and enshrined the use of such language most often to cause personal injury. I ridicule an ideology by using the words anointed and barking cheese heads even if some uninvolved individuals may question if I could be including them. Struggles aren't perfect and I would agree that name calling can be destructive and hurtful. Please remember that some cheeseheads openly wish for my death and I honestly believe this behavior is more damaging than the use of words like anointed, UC lords, and barking cheese heads. Back to intellectual discussions with my dog, Glenn - Original Message - From: Tony Dominick To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from Hollywood) Hello again, Just so you all know, Glenn is wrong when he thinks I am new to this list. If he would have only taken his own
Re: [UC] The metalist (Was: Re:Tony, Purple, Villanova)
And you were at least 50% of the content of the thread in question. Please don't act like you're above it all. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Sep 12, 2007, at 08:00 PM, Anthony West wrote: I'm more of a content freak You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from Hollywood)
Dear Glenn,
To answer your specific questions...
First, could you identify the other 5 or 6 people whom you and your fellow
list members believe should be pre-banned from the upenn.edu list?
I never mentioned anything about banning, those are your words, not mine. I
will ask kindly, please do not put words into my mouth.
Isn't creation of your UC Neighbors actually a sign and symbol that gangs or
bullying should not be coddled or given a free pass by strong citizens whom
will not be intimidated?
The UCNeighbors list is not mine as you implied, I don't know how you ever got
that impression, I don't even work for Penn. As for a sign, I only see the
UCNeighbors list as a sign of choice, let people choose whatever list pleases
them.
Do you consider your last 2 posts constructive attempts to make important
points or enter into a discussion?
Just clarifications and observations, please re-read my posts which are below.
Tony Dominick
- Original Message
From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tony Dominick [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:07:38 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from
Hollywood)
Re: [UC] the defectors to UCNeighbors (was: Yet more help from Hollywood)
DIV { MARGIN:0px;}Just so you all know, Glenn is wrong when he thinks I am
new to this list.
I stand corrected. Here is my corrected statement.
Hi Mr Dominick,
Since (I've never noticed any posts from you which I considered of interest
or valuable,) let me (introduce myself and) help you understand the genesis of
the University of Pennsylvania censored e-mail listserv criticized on this
public list...
First, could you identify the other 5 or 6 people whom you and your fellow
list members believe should be pre-banned from the upenn.edu list? I've seen
this 5 or 6 number stated repeatedly but I believe by leaving the individuals
and their posts unidentified those statements should be understood as cowardly
attempts to intimidate 300+ subscribers on this list. The only folks who come
to my mind that fit your description are on the censored list and share a
particular ideology.
I've started a letter to the Daily Pennsylvanian and some Penn officials
about the Cassidy list and this is important information. I am one of these 5
or 6, but identifying the others and their uncivil posts is rather important.
You don't need to bother to try to understand why; it's not easy for many
folks to understand. Even just their identities would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
If you answer my question, I promise I won't make the mistake of attempting a
discussion or responding to you directly about your comments in the future. I
may comment about your posts especially when they include silly criticisms or
insults directed at me or contain pot shot insults towards others . When an
individual doesn't first attempt a good faith effort to be part of any
discussion but simply desires an opportunity for insults against people
perceived as too smart to engage in civil discussion, I've decided to ignore
such childishness to a point. I stopped being overly accepting as my nature
and personality dictated around 2001. My foolish patience had only emboldened
the bullies I dealt with at FOCP as well as the UCD executive director at that
time. I had never been bullied before and lacked experience.
I hold my failures somewhat responsible for our communities loss of Clark
Park to Penn. In hindsight, my dedication to diplomacy, trust, and
forgiveness kept me from exposing properly and timely what I was seeing as an
overwhelming attempt to dominate, divide and conquer not only our park but
community. My desire for civil and logical discussion was exploited. You
could follow up with others whom have tangled with local civic associations to
confirm this reality.
I know some folks are expected to tolerate pathetic pot shots from
strangers forever. After my years of experience with folks on the censored
list, I know how this must be addressed even though I will respond without
personal malice towards you. Isn't creation of your UC Neighbors actually a
sign and symbol that gangs or bullying should not be coddled or given a free
pass by strong citizens whom will not be intimidated?
Let me simplify my explanation a bit. Proponents of a Penn led plutocracy
simply could not win their arguments through years of public bullying and
intimidation. Hence, UC Neighbors was established partly for this reason with
Penn resources.
As a five year list member, you've been able to witness the horrible behavior
of several of the people on the censored list. Look how friendly, polite, and
constructive this list has become except when folks from the censored list
come back to
