[UC-Announce] Blessing of the Animals
Hi, All, On this Sunday, Sept. 30, St. Francis de Sales Church (47th Springfield Ave.) will celebrate its annual Blessing of the Animals at 1 pm. This is to commemorate the feast day of St. Francis of Assisi, the friend of all of God's creatures. Pets of all types are welcome. The whole community is invited. Please keep dogs on leash. For questions, call 215-222-2255. Fran ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
In a message dated 9/26/2007 7:20:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to Google, Lieutenant John McCurdy has been a distinguished Police Officer for 22 years and a Lieutenant. Nothing to be sneered at to be sure. The point I was making was that this Philadelphia police officer was identifying himself with a standard-issue UCD business card. Fostering the notion that UCD has responsibility for the police powers of a bona fide government agency. His use of these cards, rather than City of Philadelphia identification, is poor judgement on his part -- a distinguished officer though he may be. I seriously doubt that the Police Commissioner will take this lightly. UCD's providing of these cards to him is one more step -- admittedly small, but a step nevertheless -- in that organization's attempts to create a level of authority in the neighborhood between the citizens and their duly constituted government. Al Krigman Left of Ivan Grozny ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [UC] Missing Cat FOUND
Thanks to all people who looked for Meadow, my small female tabby cat. She is back and looks better than ever! Apparently, she just went to the spa instead of being hit by a car as I imagined. A nice woman who feeds cats found her in the 4500 block of Pine St. -Ann You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] The Hipster-fication of West Philadelphia
An article in 34th Street magazine today highlights some of the changes in westphila, including the fun-filled topics of gentrification and hipster-fication. http://www.34st.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendlyuStory_id=50909be7-501a-40fa-a919-71153dddecaf There is also an article about the dining changes taking place in westphila: http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2007/09/27/News/University.City.Newest.Dining.Destination-2995709.shtml If the links don't work, you can find both articles here: http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/home Regards, John Ellingsworth You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Mice in the house
Okay, I've got a pest control person coming in on October 6th (the earliest I could get her). In the meantime, I've been aggressively patching holes and access points and cleaning up the kitchen to reduce their food supply. However, they've been turning up on the third floor _constantly_. Over the past four days, we've caught and disposed of five or six mice, on the third floor and in the kitchen. (Mostly the third floor.) I've lived here for nine years, and the problem has never been this bad. I spoke to the guy who lives on the third floor next door, and he reports no problems at all. Several possibilities might be going on here. 1. The previous housemate who'd lived up there (male) was a lot more casual about mice than the two women living up there now. 2. One of the new housemates may unwittingly be doing something that attracts mice. 3. Something's happened on my block (4300 block of Larchwood) that's driven a lot of mice my way. 4. There's a general surge in mice in the nabe these days. Now, this exterminator's strategy is going to be containment, i.e.,sealing the access points. If this doesn't work... has anyone had any experience with more severe methods, like exterminators who use aerosol poisons? (Oh, and finally: I'm posting this knowing that _someone_ is going to suggest getting a cat. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. That's not an option. I'm allergic, they smell terrible, and they've ruined my stuff in the past. But cat owners think it's cute to push their filthy things on others. I'll thank you to keep that suggestion to yourself.) You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] The Hipster-fication of West Philadelphia
I don't know what you've been eating lately, but the 34th Street staff would like you to swallow a lot of hogwash... Their dining article begins: A decade ago, when Barry Grossbach wanted to go out to dinner, he had only three options: Ethiopian, Indian or Center City. 'We had difficulty, I guess, attracting the higher end of … more eclectic dining spots,' said Grossbach, a longtime area resident and board member of the Spruce Hill Community Association. Off the top of my head, I can think of the following higher end...more eclectic... dining spots that were all here ten years ago (several of them for at least twice that long): The White Dog The Deck/New Deck Tavern Zocalo Pattaya Grill Thai Singha House La Terrasse 34th Street magazine and the DP both suffer from a problem that plagues every student-run publication: their staff has a complete turnover every four years, resulting in a lack of long-term organizational memory (especially as regards neighborhood coverage). I'm surprised, though, that long-time area resident Barry Grossbach would have the same problem. Later in the article, we're told: The one obstacle to University City making full use of this asset was a lack of visibility, which UCD marketing manager Lori Brennan says UCD has tried to remedy by a marketing campaign and the introduction of University City Dining Days, similar to the Center City District's Restaurant Week. Without going on an anti-UCD rant, I'll note that Joe Fezcoco, former owner of Zocalo (he just sold it to his chef) told me earlier this summer that UCD has informed local restaranteurs that UC Dining Days is going to be cut back to a once-a-year event. And then we get this one: There's 'not a lot of destination-type eating,' said April White, food editor of Philadelphia magazine. I guess Ms. White hasn't looked at her magazine's records for their annual Best of Philly awards, since dining spots in this neighborhood have won several of them over the years. Not as many as the downtown spots, true, but more than enough to belie her claim. -Original Message- From: John Ellingsworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 9:20 am Subject: [Ucneighbors] The Hipster-fication of West Philadelphia An article in 34th Street magazine today highlights some of the changes in westphila, including the fun-filled topics of gentrification and hipster-fication. http://www.34st.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendlyuStory_id=50909be7-501a-40fa-a919-71153dddecaf There is also an article about the dining changes taking place in westphila: http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2007/09/27/News/University.City.Newest.Dining.Destination-2995709.shtml If the links don't work, you can find both articles here: http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/home Regards, John Ellingsworth ___ ucneighbors mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
Kimm, THANK YOU so much for your eloquent analysis. The Philadelphia Police is answerable to the PEOPLE of Philadelphia and their ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, not to UCD. I think that it's outrageous that a Philadelphia Police Lieutenant would be reduced, symbolically, at least, to being a mere staffer at a 501(c)(3) nonprofit. Who is the Lieutenant answerable to: Lewis Wendell This illustrates the issue that has been at the core of my opposition to the NID/BID: that UCD has been trying to insert itself between the citizens of West Philadelphia and our governmental institutions, and wants to become an unelected, unaccountable quasi-government answerable only to Penn. They want to tax us. They want to control the Police Department. What's next---foreign policy??? Karen Allen Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:07:59 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?To: UnivCity@list.purple.com fumingSeveral years ago, I was involved with an effort through Philadelphia Interfaith Action (PIA) to establish community policing pilot projects in four target areas in the city, one of which included part of western University City and Southwest Philly below Kingsessing Avenue. The model had proven very successful in other cities including NYC. It combined beat cops walking a beat in order to truly know and develop relationships with the community, with a Community Policing Team of community members who would commit to be in close relationship with the officers. The Community Policing Team’s job was twofold. One, to support the beat cops by providing info, introducing them to others, and providing moral and political (small, generic, nonpartisn “p”) support for their work. Team members were expected to communicate with the officers on a very regular, ideally daily, basis (like, the cops wold stop at each Team member’s house as they made their rounds each day.) Second, the Team was supposed to hold the beat officers accountable to the community through regular Team meetings.Sounds great, huh? Not to then Commissioner Neal. Now, I, and you, dear reader, have to take all of this with a grain of salt. Neal was the most USELESS, spineless, gutless, ballless, visionless (have I covered the entire anatomy yet?), (OOPS! I forgot BRAINLESS) do-nothing, nobody, yesman-to-his-political-masters bureaucrat police commissioner that I have seen in over eighteen years of living and organizing in this city.That said, Neal freaked at the idea. The part of Al’s post that most resonated with me was his comment that “One would think that sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police Department, regardless of where they went in the morning to report for work, operated through the Department's highly structured and ostensible chain of command.” The analysis that we developed in our strategy meetings was that the police department is structured and organized along military lines, and our proposal to have cops in a close, accountable relationship with lowly community residents was phenomenally threatening to that hierarchical organization and structure.Not everyone in the PD opposed it. Neal’s two top deputy commissioners were supportive. One was a lamebrain, but the other (I forget their names) was one of Timoney’s colleagues in NYC. Bratton, maybe? He had worked with the NYC project and based on his experience was extremely supportive.The local effort failed for reasons other than The Commish’s opposition. The other three pilot projects eventually got off the ground, after bitter warring and only with a great deal of hostility from Neal. I don’t recall how things went elsewhere, but Logan was one of the pilot projects that got off the ground, and I remember the reports at our citywide strategy meetings – the beat cops were thrilled, the community was seeing results.I eventually left PIA over unrelated issues, and I’m not sure it exists anymore, so I guess even where the effort was launched, it may have ultimately failed for reasons other than its intrinsic merits.But, after all that – and even acknowledging the difference that a change in commissioners might make . . . . The idea of a Philly PD lieutenant with an office in the UCD and giving out cards as if he is UCD staff?? HELLO, folks! Pardon my French, but would you wake the f*** up? UCD is a wholly unaccountable, totally non-community-based, totally non-grassroots animal. And the Philly PD will house their officers there, and allow them to distribute UCD business cards (Al, you better be 101% correct about your information)? Why the *%$ is that officer not in Cedar Park Neighbors’ office, giving out CPN’s business card? Too narrow? What about the University City Community Council? I don’t know if it even still exists. And let me clarify – I share a good deal of the skepticism that Ray and Glenn and Wilma regularly express on this list of
Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? - Not You
In a message dated 9/27/2007 10:50:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: UCD ... They want to tax us. They want to control the Police Department. What's next---foreign policy??? When will you people rollover and accept - you are foreign to the PennWay? Perhaps Brian's earlier gem needs only a little bit of tweaking: In a message dated 9/27/2007 9:29:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: UCD ... think it's cute to push their filthy things on others. Ciao, Craig ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? - Not You
Brilliant. Finally, even though I was born in West Philly, I have become a stranger in a strange land. It helps to understand this when I am stumped by the imposed culture. Thanks Al, Karen and Kimm for casting some light on the paths not taken. Liz On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:38:49 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 9/27/2007 10:50:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: UCD ... They want to tax us. They want to control the Police Department. What's next---foreign policy??? When will you people rollover and accept - you are foreign to the PennWay? Perhaps Brian's earlier gem needs only a little bit of tweaking: In a message dated 9/27/2007 9:29:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: UCD ... think it's cute to push their filthy things on others. Ciao, Craig
[UC] More Kid Art needed, please help.
To: Parents, Principals, Art Teachers and After School Program Coordinators, Please help with: 1. An announcement: The Cedar Park Fair will be held on SATURDAY, 9/29 from NOON-5PM Free MOON BOUNCE, live music, Flea Market and food tables. 2. Donation of Student produced Art If anyone has time to coordinate the production of pictures, I can offer a chance to: Display the art in a public exhibit and on the web Do good for the neighborhood Strengthen the understanding that children can contribute Revisit the joy that comes from creating and viewing kid art I can come to school to pick up art, or it may be delivered to my home, 4611 Springfield. I have over 200 frames and am hoping to fill them all. I plan to frame the Art Friday, in the late afternoon and evening. Volunteers will hang the show, on the perimeter fence of the Cedar Park play area, on Saturday. The available sizes range include 3 x 3 4 x 6 5 x 7 5 x 10 8x 8 I may trim some pieces to fit available frames. All donated art will be posted at the link, shown below. http://picasaweb.google.com/campionef/CPNChildArtDonations Please forgive my amateur photography, and enjoy the efforts of our neighborhood kids. Invite the kids to bring family members to the fair, to view the art show and enjoy the fun. Our goal is to sell the art for a suggested donation of $5.00. Proceeds will fund important community programs, like the CPN Scholarship fund. (This fund has already helped many local students with money for tuition and books.) Thanks! Liz Campion.
[UC] Blessing of the Animals : 9/30 (Sunday) at 1 PM at 4625 Springfield Ave
To Quote St. Francis (of Assisi), whose actual feast day is October 4th, Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words. Those of us with animal friends feel blessed every time they make us laugh and keep us company during both exercise and marathon TV sessions. It feels good to take a few minutes to appreciate them within a community of like minded pet lovers. Here are some of my favorite pet quotes: Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. -Robert A. Heinlein If your dog is fat, you aren't getting enough exercise. -Anonymous If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man. -Mark Twain Dogs love their friends bite their enemies, quite unlike people, who are incapable of pure love always have to mix love hate. -Anonymous Handle every situation like a dog. If you can't Eat it, Chew it, or Hump it. Piss on it and Walk Away. -Anonymous Best! Liz On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:21:44 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, All, On this Sunday, Sept. 30, St. Francis de Sales Church (47th Springfield Ave.) will celebrate its annual Blessing of the Animals at 1 pm. This is to commemorate the feast day of St. Francis of Assisi, the friend of all of God's creatures. Pets of all types are welcome. The whole community is invited. Please keep dogs on leash. or questions, call 215-222-2255. Fran
RE: [UC] Missing Cat FOUND
It's always nice to hear good news about lost pets. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:48 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Missing Cat FOUND Thanks to all people who looked for Meadow, my small female tabby cat. She is back and looks better than ever! Apparently, she just went to the spa instead of being hit by a car as I imagined. A nice woman who feeds cats found her in the 4500 block of Pine St. -Ann You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Labels and Slogans ideas needed
Like so many other volunteers before me, I have bitten off a little more than I can chew. So, as I frame pictures, between work calls and appointments, I am also trying to print up a few catchy labels that will: Applaud the young artists Encourage Adults to take home a picture to support CPN. Cedar Park puts on a fun annual event and I hope this, Kid Art Exhibit and Sale, idea adds another layer to a 5 hour extravaganza that already includes great Music, Flea Market Tables, a Moon Bounce, Food Tables and this year the promise of PERFECT WEATHER to gather, meet and greet, under the trees in the freshly improved Cedar Park. I welcome offlist suggestions. Ideas I've considered include: Original art to support a good cause Better than a greeting card If it makes you smile now, it may save your day later. Kid Art can be Date Bait, It's better than a cock-a-poo for those with allergies to puppy training The artist you encourage today may be the Picasso of tomorrow Complete the circuit, match effort with a contribution Everyone needs a child's PoV. So, all you brilliant word smiths out there, please contribute a better way of saying any of the above. And feel free to volunteer other ideas. Thanks in advance, Liz You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Missing Cat FOUND
I agree. It is never an imposition for me to read these posts. Rather, it is wonderful to learn that the animal is safe. Sande Knight - Original Message - From: Mike V.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.commailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: RE: [UC] Missing Cat FOUND It's always nice to hear good news about lost pets. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:48 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.commailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Missing Cat FOUND Thanks to all people who looked for Meadow, my small female tabby cat. She is back and looks better than ever! Apparently, she just went to the spa instead of being hit by a car as I imagined. A nice woman who feeds cats found her in the 4500 block of Pine St. -Ann You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.htmlhttp://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.htmlhttp://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] The Hipster-fication of West Philadelphia
John Ellingsworth wrote: An article in 34th Street magazine today highlights some of the changes in westphila, including the fun-filled topics of gentrification and hipster-fication. http://www.34st.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendlyuStory_id=50909be7-501a-40fa-a919-71153dddecaf Every major neo-bohemian stereotype seemed to be present and accounted for -- hipsters, yuppies, punks, hippies and even the ever-elusive white Rastafarian. heh. even the rastafarian's white. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated, more believable -- Tony West There's only one word to describe the burgeoning scene that is sprouting up there, so deep into the wilds of West Philly: Gentrification. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
Kimm Tynan wrote: fuming ... And that, in a nutshell (was that a nutshell?) is why I see UCD and the NID or BID as such a threat to this community. Because UCD/the NID/theBID/ are not at all grassroots, and they supplant true grassroots efforts. yes, that's it, in a nutshell. supplanting. co-option. and while some of us have been persistently pointing that out and opposing it, others of us have been just as stubbornly allowing it, encouraging it. and that is how ucd creates divisiveness in the community. and now we have a penn-branded listserve, and now we have a ucd-branded local police. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated, more believable -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
Just out of curiosity, since I postdate UCD in West Philly, what grassroots organizations were supplanted and coopted by UCD when it got started? Andrew Quoting UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kimm Tynan wrote: fuming ... And that, in a nutshell (was that a nutshell?) is why I see UCD and the NID or BID as such a threat to this community. Because UCD/the NID/theBID/ are not at all grassroots, and they supplant true grassroots efforts. yes, that's it, in a nutshell. supplanting. co-option. and while some of us have been persistently pointing that out and opposing it, others of us have been just as stubbornly allowing it, encouraging it. and that is how ucd creates divisiveness in the community. and now we have a penn-branded listserve, and now we have a ucd-branded local police. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated, more believable -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
I'm a little startled at all the posters here for whom this information here seems to be new. I don't think much has changed in the way Penn's police force has worked in many years. Nothing I've read here differs from what I understood about their police force when I moved into the neighborhood about 35 years ago. Somehow, I can't read the wording on that card as some new sign of decline in democracy, but then I've always had a sunny disposition. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Who does Al Krigman really report to?
Is it the Martians, the Freemasons, the Atlanteans, the Elders of Zion or the Bavarian Illuminati? Is all of the above a valid answer? Does he get his tinfoil hat specially fitted, or does he buy off the rack? I DEMAND AN ANSWER!!! - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:12 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? One would think that sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police Department, regardless of where they went in the morning to report for work, operated through the Department's highly structured and ostensible chain of command. I discovered this morning that this may not be the case. Or, at least, that the people at UCD and the police officer who has a desk at the UCD administrative building, don't necessarily think so. I attended a meeting at which Lieutenant John McCurdy made a short presentation, then handed out business cards so people would know how to contact him. Only, they weren't Philadelphia Police Department business cards. In fact, they weren't City of Philadelphia business cards in any form. They were (you guessed it) standard UCD business cards with lt. john mccurdy/city of philadelphia police department (all in lower case, as shown) where the name and position of a UCD employee would normally go. This is a serious, if symbolic problem. Especially given that many people in this area think UCD has already usurped too many powers that it should not have, given it's accountability only to its primary patrons. And use of this business card by a sworn City of Philadelphia police officer with extraordinary powers obfuscates the fact that the chain of command and responsibility goes right up through the ranks at 55th Pine through the Police Commissioner, City Council, and the Mayor -- without a nod to anybodyat UCD. It is totally unacceptable. Lt McCurdy is probably guilty of nothing more than extremely poor judgement. Wendell Lewis and the others who make the decisions at UCD are more likely guilty of at least trying to obfuscate their actual role in the neighborhood, and perhaps of making yet another subtle power grab. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident and housing provider _ See what's new at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP0030001170 and Make AOL Your http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP0030001169 Homepage.
RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
The card was not for a Lieutenant of the University of Pennsylvania Police department. It was for a Lieutenant of the PHILADELPHIA Police Department. The PHILADELPHIA Police Department and its employees are not employees of Penn, the Penn Police, or of UCD. It is a governmental agency of the CITY OF PHILADELPHIA, wholly supported by and answerable to the citizens of Philadelphia and its elected representatives, and NOT to UCD. Having a UCD business card with the name of a ranking member of the PHILADELPHIA Police Department mentioned in small letters symbolically, if not actually, subjects the Lieutenant to the perception that he is nothing more than a subordinate of UCD and its administrators, and that UCD has authority in Philadelphia Police matters which supercedes that of the Lieutenant's actual employer, the citizens and elected representatives of the City of Philadelphia. Karen AllenFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:50:37 -0400 I'm a little startled at all the posters here for whom this information here seems to be new. I don't think much has changed in the way Penn's police force has worked in many years. Nothing I've read here differs from what I understood about their police force when I moved into the neighborhood about 35 years ago. Somehow, I can't read the wording on that card as some new sign of decline in democracy, but then I've always had a sunny disposition. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:50:37 -0400 I'm a little startled at all the posters here for whom this information here seems to be new. I don't think much has changed in the way Penn's police force has worked in many years. Nothing I've read here differs from what I understood about their police force when I moved into the neighborhood about 35 years ago. Somehow, I can't read the wording on that card as some new sign of decline in democracy, but then I've always had a sunny disposition. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Who does Al Krigman really report to?
Mike, why do you feel the need to personalize this with Al? Whether or not you agree with his general world view or are smitten with his acerbic prose, he has raised a serious issue here that merits serious responses. If you question his facts, dispute them; if you disagree with his argument, provide a counter-argument. I'm surprised a thoughtful poster such as yourself would succumb to such a knee-jerk response to your neighbor's post. Andy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [UC] Who does Al Krigman really report to?Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:31:24 -0400 Is it the Martians, the Freemasons, the Atlanteans, the Elders of Zion or the Bavarian Illuminati? Is all of the above a valid answer? Does he get his tinfoil hat specially fitted, or does he buy off the rack? I DEMAND AN ANSWER!!! - Mike V. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:12 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? One would think that sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police Department, regardless of where they went in the morning to report for work, operated through the Department's highly structured and ostensible chain of command. I discovered this morning that this may not be the case. Or, at least, that the people at UCD and the police officer who has a desk at the UCD administrative building, don't necessarily think so. I attended a meeting at which Lieutenant John McCurdy made a short presentation, then handed out business cards so people would know how to contact him. Only, they weren't Philadelphia Police Department business cards. In fact, they weren't City of Philadelphia business cards in any form. They were (you guessed it) standard UCD business cards with lt. john mccurdy/city of philadelphia police department (all in lower case, as shown) where the name and position of a UCD employee would normally go. This is a serious, if symbolic problem. Especially given that many people in this area think UCD has already usurped too many powers that it should not have, given it's accountability only to its primary patrons. And use of this business card by a sworn City of Philadelphia police officer with extraordinary powers obfuscates the fact that the chain of command and responsibility goes right up through the ranks at 55th Pine through the Police Commissioner, City Council, and the Mayor -- without a nod to anybodyat UCD. It is totally unacceptable. Lt McCurdy is probably guilty of nothing more than extremely poor judgement. Wendell Lewis and the others who make the decisions at UCD are more likely guilty of at least trying to obfuscate their actual role in the neighborhood, and perhaps of making yet another subtle power grab. Always at your service ready for a dialog,Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident and housing provider See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE
RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
I believe that a number of members of Penn's police force are also Philadelphia police officers. I suspect that they are clear on the lines of authority, that card notwithstanding. Presumably the officer in question has two job titles, and chose the more impressive of the two to put on the card. I think this is a long standing arrangement, and presumably the University and the Philadelphia police department both find it to their advantage. I really don't know more than this-asking the officer in question directly would probably get more useful information. He can be reached at: [EMAIL PROTECTED], or 215 243 0555, extension 241. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KAREN ALLEN Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:58 PM To: 'University City List' Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? The card was not for a Lieutenant of the University of Pennsylvania Police department. It was for a Lieutenant of the PHILADELPHIA Police Department. The PHILADELPHIA Police Department and its employees are not employees of Penn, the Penn Police, or of UCD. It is a governmental agency of the CITY OF PHILADELPHIA, wholly supported by and answerable to the citizens of Philadelphia and its elected representatives, and NOT to UCD. Having a UCD business card with the name of a ranking member of the PHILADELPHIA Police Department mentioned in small letters symbolically, if not actually, subjects the Lieutenant to the perception that he is nothing more than a subordinate of UCD and its administrators, and that UCD has authority in Philadelphia Police matters which supercedes that of the Lieutenant's actual employer, the citizens and elected representatives of the City of Philadelphia. Karen Allen From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:50:37 -0400 I'm a little startled at all the posters here for whom this information here seems to be new. I don't think much has changed in the way Penn's police force has worked in many years. Nothing I've read here differs from what I understood about their police force when I moved into the neighborhood about 35 years ago. Somehow, I can't read the wording on that card as some new sign of decline in democracy, but then I've always had a sunny disposition. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:50:37 -0400 I'm a little startled at all the posters here for whom this information here seems to be new. I don't think much has changed in the way Penn's police force has worked in many years. Nothing I've read here differs from what I understood about their police force when I moved into the neighborhood about 35 years ago. Somehow, I can't read the wording on that card as some new sign of decline in democracy, but then I've always had a sunny disposition. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: lt. mccurdy has a ucd email address? and does that phone number ring at ucd's offices? yes: http://www.ucityphila.org/about/staff Lt. John McCurdy Commanding Officer, UCD / Philadelphia Police Substation, x241 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
Bill Sanderson wrote: He can be reached at: [EMAIL PROTECTED], or 215 243 0555, extension 241. lt. mccurdy has a ucd email address? and does that phone number ring at ucd's offices? .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated, more believable -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
That is UCD's number. Their web site says Lt. John McCurdy, Commanding Officer, UCD / Philadelphia Police Substation, x241. That says to me that he's the Commanding Officer of UCD AND the Police Substation. Why does UCD need a Commanding Officer? The UCD Police substation number is listed as 215 243 0667 on the Problem Landlords Tenants page. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Sep 28, 2007, at 12:33 AM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: Bill Sanderson wrote: He can be reached at: [EMAIL PROTECTED], or 215 243 0555, extension 241. lt. mccurdy has a ucd email address? and does that phone number ring at ucd's offices? .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated, more believable -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
