Re: [UC] More humane methods required in shootouts

[missthin]

Well, I-Robot, you know the company that makes those cute, but mostly (imho)
worthless Roombas?  They're making a new spiffy thing called the Packbot
which uses a joystick and is armed with tasers.

http://zerosix.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/skynet-alert-roomba-gets-a-taser/

Is it humane? I don't think so, but neither are bullets no matter who's
firing the gun.

Wendy

On 10/30/07, Joe Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Isn't there a glue trap or some other humane alternative to respond to
> people with guns?  Sheeesh.
>
> Joe (stickin' to my guns) Clarke
>
> Mariellen Smith wrote:
> > Yeah it's probably the cops fault. I wish the police would stop
> > stirring up all of this gun violence. What /were /they doing
> > patrolling the streets, anyway? I smell a conspiracy.
> > -Mariellen
> >
> > At 11:32 AM 10/30/2007, Mike VanHelder wrote:
> >> Since only a psychic can answer whether or not the police were a
> >> precipitating factor, Al, I can only assume that it's your intention
> >> to launch sly insinuations and attack the public's trust in our
> >> police forces under the guise of "speaking for the community".  Your
> >> opposition to the NID I can understand, though I think it's selfish
> >> and disingenuous, but what beef do you have with the cops, and why
> >> can't you just come out and attack them openly instead of
> >> peck-peck-pecking at them like an underhanded vulture?
> >>
> >> - Mike V.
> >>
> >> On 10/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  <[EMAIL 
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> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The question still remains... why were all the cops there anyway,
> >> who deployed them, and was their very presence a precipitating
> >> factor?
> >>
> >> Enquiring minds want to know
> >>
> >> Al Krigman
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[UC] Recidivism/probationers/Nutter

[anm]

I don't know if anyone else made it to Michael Nutter's community forum the
other night, but he mentioned a bill that I believe will be before city council
this week.  Somehow it had escaped my notice thus far.  It calls for a $10,000
credit against the business privilege tax for companies that hire ex-offenders
for 6-months or more.  He also cited a staggering 72% recidivism rate in the
city.  The proposal was extremely popular with the crowd, and he couldn't
resist adding a couple of pull-up-your-pants applause lines at the end.  I
posted a video clip here:

http://malcolmxpark.org/?p=494

Andrew

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Re: [UC] The probationers are back

[Glenn]

Frank,

I wasn't very clear in my initial report.

I am very critical of Community Court (city
government). It is impossible to tell if these
probationers were from Penn or the city, however.  

I confirmed with Community Court that the students
involved with UCD's violation of federal law causing
suspension of the program were sent by Penn not the
Phila. community court. But the city should be
properly screening agencies for its referrals, and I
have absolutely no confidence that is being done.  


I've worked closely with the concept of alternatives
to incarceration for non-violent offenders.  I'm very
critical of the implementation as I've seen it here in
Philadelphia.  I do look at the system and the
individuals passing through from a behavioral
healthcare point of view.


As for UCD, this program was suspended when the UCD
was using this coerced labor inappropriately.  We are
still waiting for the results of a UCD internal
investigation of the matter which led to that
suspension. That investigation, had it occurred, might
have shown that UCD addressed previous shortcomings
with management of this probation program. That would
be appropriate before Penn or the city pass these
individuals to the control of UCD.

As I see it, UCD only recently replaced Mr Fenton with
a new director and now this program appears today.  

I don't think UCD knows what it is doing.  I don't
think they have a protocol for this program for their
new director.  And I don't think we will ever get the
results of an internal investigation.

I hope I was a bit more clear that time than my
original post.  And I would be happy to share more
criticism of how I feel the modern Community Court has
evolved.

Sincerely,
Glenn
  



--- Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Are the problems in their lives being ignored? Being
> punished and  
> being helped are not mutually exclusive.
> 
> I'm no fan of UCD but they're contracted to give
> those people work,  
> not to provide family therapy or job training. There
> are enough  
> legitimate things to criticize them for without
> blaming them for the  
> shortcomings of City government.
> 
> Frank
> 
>   “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped
> in a flag and  
> carrying a cross.”
> --Sinclair Lewis
> 
> 
> On Oct 30, 2007, at 01:26 PM, Glenn wrote:
> 
> > I noticed the probationers are back in the
> district,
> > 40th and Baltimore.
> >
> > That's another one of those brilliant crime
> reduction
> > strategies.  Take folks that get into minor
> trouble;
> > ignore the real problems they have in their lives;
> and
> > humiliate them in their bright orange vests,
> cleaning
> > the streets and setting up moon bounces for the
> people
> > in the wealthy district.  Brilliant!  Brilliant!
> >
> > Another feather in the cap of UCD.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
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Re: [UC] The probationers are back

[Frank]

Are the problems in their lives being ignored? Being punished and  
being helped are not mutually exclusive.


I'm no fan of UCD but they're contracted to give those people work,  
not to provide family therapy or job training. There are enough  
legitimate things to criticize them for without blaming them for the  
shortcomings of City government.


Frank

 “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and  
carrying a cross.”

--Sinclair Lewis


On Oct 30, 2007, at 01:26 PM, Glenn wrote:


I noticed the probationers are back in the district,
40th and Baltimore.

That's another one of those brilliant crime reduction
strategies.  Take folks that get into minor trouble;
ignore the real problems they have in their lives; and
humiliate them in their bright orange vests, cleaning
the streets and setting up moon bounces for the people
in the wealthy district.  Brilliant!  Brilliant!

Another feather in the cap of UCD.

Glenn

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[UC] The probationers are back

[Glenn]

I noticed the probationers are back in the district,
40th and Baltimore.  

That's another one of those brilliant crime reduction
strategies.  Take folks that get into minor trouble;
ignore the real problems they have in their lives; and
humiliate them in their bright orange vests, cleaning
the streets and setting up moon bounces for the people
in the wealthy district.  Brilliant!  Brilliant! 

Another feather in the cap of UCD.

Glenn

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[UC] More humane methods required in shootouts

[Joe Clarke]

Isn't there a glue trap or some other humane alternative to respond to 
people with guns?  Sheeesh.


Joe (stickin' to my guns) Clarke

Mariellen Smith wrote:
Yeah it's probably the cops fault. I wish the police would stop 
stirring up all of this gun violence. What /were /they doing 
patrolling the streets, anyway? I smell a conspiracy.

-Mariellen

At 11:32 AM 10/30/2007, Mike VanHelder wrote:
Since only a psychic can answer whether or not the police were a 
precipitating factor, Al, I can only assume that it's your intention 
to launch sly insinuations and attack the public's trust in our 
police forces under the guise of "speaking for the community".  Your 
opposition to the NID I can understand, though I think it's selfish 
and disingenuous, but what beef do you have with the cops, and why 
can't you just come out and attack them openly instead of 
peck-peck-pecking at them like an underhanded vulture?


- Mike V.

On 10/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:



The question still remains... why were all the cops there anyway,
who deployed them, and was their very presence a precipitating
factor?
 
Enquiring minds want to know
 
Al Krigman





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Re: [UC] DP: "no police misconduct in local gunfight "

[Mariellen Smith]

Yeah it's probably the cops fault. I wish the police would stop stirring up 
all of this gun violence. What were they doing patrolling the streets, 
anyway? I smell a conspiracy.

-Mariellen

At 11:32 AM 10/30/2007, Mike VanHelder wrote:
Since only a psychic can answer whether or not the police were a 
precipitating factor, Al, I can only assume that it's your intention to 
launch sly insinuations and attack the public's trust in our police forces 
under the guise of "speaking for the community".  Your opposition to the 
NID I can understand, though I think it's selfish and disingenuous, but 
what beef do you have with the cops, and why can't you just come out and 
attack them openly instead of peck-peck-pecking at them like an 
underhanded vulture?


- Mike V.

On 10/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The question still remains... why were all the cops there anyway, who 
deployed them, and was their very presence a precipitating factor?


Enquiring minds want to know

Al Krigman




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Re: [UC] DP: "no police misconduct in local gunfight "

[Mike VanHelder]

Since only a psychic can answer whether or not the police were a
precipitating factor, Al, I can only assume that it's your intention to
launch sly insinuations and attack the public's trust in our police forces
under the guise of "speaking for the community".  Your opposition to the NID
I can understand, though I think it's selfish and disingenuous, but what
beef do you have with the cops, and why can't you just come out and attack
them openly instead of peck-peck-pecking at them like an underhanded
vulture?

- Mike V.

On 10/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> *The question still remains... why were all the cops there anyway, who
> deployed them, and was their very presence a precipitating factor?*
> **
> *Enquiring minds want to know*
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> *Al Krigman*
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[UC] DP: "no police misconduct in local gunfight "

[Krfapt]

 
Shooting at 38th and Chestnut: Evidence points to no police  misconduct in 
local gunfight

Katie Karas  


Philadelphia Police officials are not investigating  possible police 
misconduct in the death of Lamar Bembry because they have  evidence showing 
that 
Bembry, who was shot and killed by police during a gun  battle early Sunday 
morning 
at 38th and Chestnut streets, was among one of the  shooters on the scene, 
said Lt. Frank Vanore of Philadelphia Police Public  Affairs.

Bembry allegedly opened fire while leaving the Koko Bongo  nightclub at 38th 
and Chestnut at about 2:00 a.m. and was shot in the chest by  police in the 
ensuing gunfight.

Vanore said ballistic evidence revealed  that police officers acted correctly 
in firing at Bembry. It also showed that  there were at least two other 
shooters who participated in the gunfight,  although no weapons from these 
shooters 
have been recovered.

Philadelphia  Police were already on the scene when the shooting began 
because there had been  a few minor instances last week when Koko Bongo let 
out, 
Vanore said.  

Police temporarily detained a few suspects but have not yet charged  anyone. 
They urge anyone with information regarding the shootings to contact  
Philadelphia Police at 215-686-1776.   

   

 
The question still remains... why were all  the cops there anyway, who 
deployed them, and was their very presence a  precipitating factor?
 
Enquiring minds want to know
 
Al  Krigman





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Re: [UC] Three news reports on the shooting at Koko Bongo over the weekend

[Glenn]

Wait a minute, this is a huge contradiction in the DP:


'Vice President for Public Safety Maureen Rush said
the incident was indicative of a larger problem
Philadelphia has with violence at its nightclubs.

"It is just another example of how easy it is for
people to have guns and how quickly an argument in a
nightclub can escalate," she said.'

But Coan says:

> 
>http://tinyurl.com/2omp5r
> 
> > The incident took place as police were trying to
> disperse
> > the crowd of 200 to 300 people leaving the club at
> about
> > 2:00 a.m. [Sgt.] Coan said there were no reports
> of an argument
> > or fight inside the club before the shooting
> began.
> > 
> > "There was really no altercation," he said.
> "Basically,
> > the police were moving the crowd, trying to get
> the
> > traffic flowing, when one male produced a gun and
> started
> > firing in the direction of the police."
> > 
> > Police were already patrolling outside of the
> nightclub
> > because there had been previous incidents at that
> > location. They returned fire when the shooting
> began.
>  >
> > Several clubgoers were visibly shaken following
> the
> > shooting, and some argued with police officers
> about the
> > police's role in the incident.


Why would Maureen Rush talk about an argument inside
which completely confuses the issue?  Coan said there
was no argument.  How will Maureen Rush be able to
understand the issues that need to be investigated?
Or understand the criticism of police from the
"visibly shaken" clubgoers?  

Either Rush or Coan (apparently at the scene) have the
basic facts completely wrong.  Why else would Rush
have made that cleaner and safer comment? This just
gets deeper!

Glenn




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