Re: [UC] Glenn's List vs. Kyle's List: a measure of popularity

[Glenn moyer]

" UCneighbors was created a couple years ago (by Kyle Cassidy) in reaction to some of the unpleasant behavior on the Purple list."Colleen, most of what Linda states is correct. The above statement is not completely correct. In fact, the unpleasant behavior on this public forum over two years ago, came from the founding members of the UC Neighbors. (The post by Mr. West is an example of what we once faced daily to distract everyone from community issues. But don't worry, this is no longer typical on this open public listserv.)UC Neighbors is the University of Pennsylvania's experiment with censorship and control of public communication in adjacent communities. Hosted by the Annenberg School of Communication and sanctioned by the University President, Amy Gutmann; it is a bold and blatant violation of the published university policy on open _expression_ and electronic resources. (The other two listservs are open to the public, with public archives, and stand out as vital forums for open public community discussions.)Background: Over two years ago, several cyber-bullies were looking to control neighborhood discussions. Their regular techniques to bully our neighbors had been thoroughly exposed, and they were appropriately humiliated. For example, the founders of UC Neighbors, such as Mr. Cassidy, showed perverse pleasure at
the murder of a homeless man just before claiming the need for civility! They called for "suicide" and use of a
"death ray," and called people names like
"processaholics" to silence discussion of university gentrification agendas. They spread dishonest information and used fallacious argumentation techniques such as ad hominem, straw man, red herring, etc. to bully and silence discussion.Their main political agenda had pushed for an end to democratic processes and an end to open discussion in the neighborhood, while advancing the need for transferring government to the rule of University of Pennsylvania real estate executives. Falsely claiming "incivility" as Linda reminds us; the university hosted their closed censored forum, UC Neighbors. The leading neighborhood voices against the policies of a university take over and a local plutocracy were boldly "pre-banned" from UC Neighbors. All other community members were purposely intimidated with the knowledge that this Mr. Cassidy could silence anyone, at anytime, for any reason, if they engaged in prohibited community dissent. Exploiting the power of links to the massive Penn network of computers, and with support by Penn agencies such as UCD; the bullies simultaneously attempted to destroy the open discussion forums with posts like Mr. West's. (Our neighbor, Wilma, immediately pointed out the difference between Penn hosted censorship forums and the formation of a private discussion group for bullies, through an appropriate site like Yahoo or google.) Mr. Cassidy could have set up a private fan club not advertised by the powerful immense Penn computer network. Colleen, some of our neighbors would like to dismiss the censorship and pre-banning of dissent supported by the powerful University. They would like to see it as just another discussion forum, while attacks like Mr. West's, try to damage the open public forum . But the closing down of democratic societies seldom happens instantaneously! The open public listserv has proven to be one of the most powerful tools against deception and oppression by powerful forces attempting to rule this neighborhood. It is the freedom of the press in action! That is why it is such a target.Penn has just claimed to be the best community neighbor in the country. The success or exposure of the university's censorship policy to destroy the freedom of the press in targeted communities is being studied right now! (Consider: Is this neighborhood the only part of the country facing
the attempt to control public information by dishonest but powerful
forces?) Try to access the archives of UC Neighbors. And look at this false commitment to public discourse by Penn's former President. (The current President Gutmann is well aware of the censorship by UC Neighbors and the violation of the published claims about "open _expression_.")  Does banning dissent or using university censorship power seem consistent with these dishonest but official platitudes?http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/1103/rodin3.htmlBanned from UC Neighbors and proud of it,Glenn Moyer -Original Message-
From: Linda Lee 
Sent: Nov 10, 2009 12:47 AM
To: purple , Colleen Pinney 
Subject: Re: [UC] Glenn's List vs. Kyle's List: a measure of popularity

Hi Colleen,To answer your question: absolutely nothing. The info (below) is useless (to you) and only 'meaningful' to a handful of people. Just fyi, there are currently (that I know of ) three local email groups: the "purple" list (which you have posted on), the PFSNI list (comprised mostly of Penn faculty and staff and some students), and 

[UC] Dump SHCA like FOCP was dumped

[Glenn moyer]

Neighbors,

Community members and FOCP board members boycotted the recent FOCP elections!  
Neighbors came to defend the People's flea market and expose the treachery of 
the FOCP leadership, but they DID NOT GIVE FOCP MONEY OR MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS!

Mr. West's recent ad hominem attack and misinformation about Glenn's list is 
a pathetic reaction to the humiliation of the anointed!  FOCP leaders have been 
silent about their failed elections and need to disband.  They are furious that 
the community is recognizing the truth about the civic associations of the 
local anointed!  Their leaders have blamed me for years as the cause of their 
humiliation, instead of stopping the abuse of power and betrayal of the 
community by their insular gang of misfits.


There is no announcement in the UC Review about the SHCA meeting, but this 
appears on their web site:http://www.sprucehillca.org/

Next regular Board Meeting is
Tuesday Nov. 10th, 7:30pm
at the Spruce Hill Christian School,
42nd St. and Baltimore Ave. 

No one from the public would join the FOCP board so Mr. West brought on Ed 
Haligan, SHCA President.

Neighbors, we have a chance to stand up to the abuses by these civic gangs!  
Stand with the community and do not GIVE THE SHCA LEADERS YOUR MEMBERSHIP OR 
MONEY!!!  Go tonight and confront the treachery and betrayal that was widely 
exposed during the push for Campus Inn.  Tell them that their secretive 
treacherous gang will no longer be allowed to betray and bully this community! 
Tell our neighbors the truth about FOCP/SHCA/UCD partnerships. 

SHCA/FOCP leaders do not represent their neighbors.  They represent their 
personal illusion of power, and the agendas of the university of Pennsylvania 
and their corporate cronies!

Dump the SHCA leaders as the members of FOCP turned their backs to the FOCP!

Long live West Philadelphia!  Power to the people!

Glenn
PS: I can't be with you tonight because I'm leaving town.  My thoughts and 
prayers will be with your resistance! 

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Re: [UC] Glenn's List vs. Kyle's List: a measure of popularity

[Mike VanHelder]

This post reminds me of a tiny man sitting on top of a pile of dirty laundry
with a tin colander on his head, waving his arms and shouting that We have
always been at war with Eurasia! at his legions of assembled stuffed
animals and an aging, slightly gassy orange tabby.

- Mike V.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Glenn moyer glen...@earthlink.net wrote:

  UCneighbors was created a couple years ago (by Kyle Cassidy) in reaction
 to some of the unpleasant behavior on the Purple list.


 Colleen, most of what Linda states is correct.  The above statement is not
 completely correct.  In fact, the unpleasant behavior on this public forum
 over two years ago, came from the founding members of the UC Neighbors.
 (The post by Mr. West is an example of what we once faced daily to distract
 everyone from community issues.  But don't worry, this is no longer typical
 on this open public listserv.)



 UC Neighbors is the University of Pennsylvania's experiment with censorship
 and control of public communication in adjacent communities. Hosted by the
 Annenberg School of Communication and sanctioned by the University
 President, Amy Gutmann; it is a bold and blatant violation of the published
 university policy on open expression and electronic resources. (The other
 two listservs are open to the public, with public archives, and stand out as
 vital forums for open public community discussions.)


 Background:   Over two years ago, several cyber-bullies were looking to
 control neighborhood discussions.  Their regular techniques to bully our
 neighbors had been thoroughly exposed, and they were appropriately
 humiliated.  For example, the founders of UC Neighbors, such as Mr. Cassidy,
 showed perverse pleasure at the murder of a homeless man just before
 claiming the need for civility!  They called for suicide and use of a
 death ray, and called people names like processaholics to silence
 discussion of university gentrification agendas.  They spread dishonest
 information and used  fallacious argumentation techniques such as ad
 hominem, straw man, red herring, etc. to bully and silence discussion.


  Their main political agenda had pushed for an end to democratic processes
 and an end to open discussion in the neighborhood, while advancing the need
 for transferring government to the rule of University of Pennsylvania real
 estate executives.  Falsely claiming incivility as Linda reminds us; the
 university hosted their closed censored forum, UC Neighbors.


 The leading neighborhood voices against the policies of a university take
 over and a local plutocracy were boldly pre-banned from UC Neighbors.  All
 other community members were purposely intimidated with the knowledge that
 this Mr. Cassidy could silence anyone, at anytime, for any reason, if they
 engaged in prohibited community dissent.  Exploiting the power of links to
 the massive Penn network of computers, and with support by Penn agencies
 such as UCD; the bullies simultaneously attempted to destroy the open
 discussion forums with posts like Mr. West's.  (Our neighbor, Wilma,
 immediately pointed out the difference between Penn hosted censorship forums
 and the formation of a private discussion group for bullies, through an
 appropriate site like Yahoo or google.)  Mr. Cassidy could have set up a
 private fan club not advertised by the powerful immense Penn computer
 network.


 Colleen, some of our neighbors would like to dismiss the censorship and
 pre-banning of dissent supported by the powerful University.  They would
 like to see it as just another discussion forum, while attacks like Mr.
 West's, try to damage the open public forum .  But the closing down of
 democratic societies seldom happens instantaneously!

 The open public listserv has proven to be one of the most powerful tools
 against deception and oppression by powerful forces attempting to rule this
 neighborhood.  It is the freedom of the press in action!  That is why it is
 such a target.

 Penn has just claimed to be the best community neighbor in the country.
 The success or exposure of the university's censorship policy to destroy the
 freedom of the press in targeted communities is being studied right now!
 (Consider:  Is this neighborhood the only part of the country facing the
 attempt to control public information by dishonest but powerful forces?)

 Try to access the archives of UC Neighbors.  And look at this false
 commitment to public discourse by Penn's former President.  (The current
 President Gutmann is well aware of the censorship by UC Neighbors and the
 violation of the published claims about open expression.)   Does banning
 dissent or using university censorship power seem consistent with these
 dishonest but official platitudes?

 http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/1103/rodin3.html

 Banned from UC Neighbors and proud of it,
 Glenn Moyer












 -Original Message-
 From: Linda Lee
 Sent: Nov 10, 2009 12:47 AM
 To: purple , Colleen Pinney
 Subject: 

Re: [UC] Glenn's List vs. Kyle's List: a measure of popularity

[Glenn moyer]

As for the UCNeighbors listserv, or as you say Kyle's listserv, was
expressly created to exclude the opinions and/or the persons who stated
them.


Wilma,

I recently reread your initial comments when barkingche...@upenn.edu was first 
formed.  You were right on target!

As we are bombarded with the attempts to control public misinformation around 
the country, your prediction about the use of Penn servers, rather than a 
private Yahoo gang, has come to pass.  Penn President, Amy Gutmann, continues 
to host barking cheese and supports a de facto establishment of censorship to 
control communication in an adjacent community.  This is our good neighbor and 
salvation of our cities.

Compare the rhetoric of this Rodin writing and official Penn propaganda 
position, with the reality of Penn based censorship.  It would be laughable if 
the implications were not so frightening:

http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/1103/rodin3.html

Glenn
PS:  All of you did a great community service when you started the open public 
list.  Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Wilma de Soto wil.p...@verizon.net
Sent: Nov 9, 2009 9:31 PM
To: Frank fcarr...@pobox.com, UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Glenn's List vs. Kyle's List: a measure of popularity

Dear Tony and Frank,

Permit me to hearken back to Linda Lee's post with regard to the final word
about lost pets posts.

I quite understand her assertions about 'lurkers' who are afraid to post,
and the fact sometimes we post as if there is no else save us and we are
known to everyone.

Glenn posts on the UC Listserv frequently.  However it is not Glenn's
listserv.

It is a community listserv, born of some Spruce Hill Board Officers wishing
to communicate by e-mail with other SHCA Officers in order to shore up a
membership database and check whether SHCA were current.

At the time, Nick Sanders was Treasurer of SHCA and I was membership
Chair/Co-Chair.

Later, Nick Sanders uploaded this onto the now defunct community groups web,
Liberty Net.

Jeff Abramson, SHCA Internet Chair, extended the listserv to all, through
Purple and graciously hosted it for YEARS! Kudos!

Please remember this is a community listserv accessible to ALL may partake
in any discussion that might affect them.  It is NOT; Glenn's listserv.
Indeed it could be partially mine and/or Nick Sanders and/or Jeff Abramson.

As for the UCNeighbors listserv, or as you say Kyle's listserv, was
expressly created to exclude the opinions and/or the persons who stated
them.

I would not join even though I had been asked to because I do not believe in
blocking arguments or posts which annoy me.

Our community is our community and one has to tolerate all sorts.

With no offense to Glenn, this is not Glenn's listserv; rather the
University City Listserv.




On 11/9/09 6:57 PM, Frank fcarr...@pobox.com wrote:

 Are you serious?!?! Are we in grade school??
 
 Frank
 
 On Nov 9, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
 
 From 6pm Sunday to 6pm Monday, 5 comments about the impact of  the
 SEPTA strike on our neighborhood -- a hot neighborhood topic -- were
 posted on Glenn's List (UnivCity@list.purple.com).
 
 During the same timeframe, 18 comments about the same subject were
 posted on Kyle's List (ucneighb...@lists.asc.upenn.edu).
 
 I maintain a presence on Glenn's List because I want to be open to,
 and keep in touch with, all my neighbors. But Kyle's List is where
 the hottest discussion of University City issues takes place these
 days.
 
 The thing I like most about Kyle, compared to his business rival, is
 he isn't constantly heaping personal abuse on his neighbors in West
 Philadelphia. He never does this, in fact. It's quite refreshing
 compared to the listserve that Glenn rules.
 
 -- Tony West
 
 
 
 
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Re: [UC] Glenn's List vs. Kyle's List: a measure of popularity

[Mike VanHelder]

Substitute Martians for Penn in this disjointed screed and I think
you'd have a much better idea of the kind of mind that produced it.

- Mike V.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Glenn moyer glen...@earthlink.net wrote:
As for the UCNeighbors listserv, or as you say Kyle's listserv, was
expressly created to exclude the opinions and/or the persons who stated
them.


 Wilma,

 I recently reread your initial comments when barkingche...@upenn.edu was 
 first formed.  You were right on target!

 As we are bombarded with the attempts to control public misinformation around 
 the country, your prediction about the use of Penn servers, rather than a 
 private Yahoo gang, has come to pass.  Penn President, Amy Gutmann, continues 
 to host barking cheese and supports a de facto establishment of censorship to 
 control communication in an adjacent community.  This is our good neighbor 
 and salvation of our cities.

 Compare the rhetoric of this Rodin writing and official Penn propaganda 
 position, with the reality of Penn based censorship.  It would be laughable 
 if the implications were not so frightening:

 http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/1103/rodin3.html

 Glenn
 PS:  All of you did a great community service when you started the open 
 public list.  Thank you!!!


 -Original Message-
From: Wilma de Soto wil.p...@verizon.net
Sent: Nov 9, 2009 9:31 PM
To: Frank fcarr...@pobox.com, UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Glenn's List vs. Kyle's List: a measure of popularity

Dear Tony and Frank,

Permit me to hearken back to Linda Lee's post with regard to the final word
about lost pets posts.

I quite understand her assertions about 'lurkers' who are afraid to post,
and the fact sometimes we post as if there is no else save us and we are
known to everyone.

Glenn posts on the UC Listserv frequently.  However it is not Glenn's
listserv.

It is a community listserv, born of some Spruce Hill Board Officers wishing
to communicate by e-mail with other SHCA Officers in order to shore up a
membership database and check whether SHCA were current.

At the time, Nick Sanders was Treasurer of SHCA and I was membership
Chair/Co-Chair.

Later, Nick Sanders uploaded this onto the now defunct community groups web,
Liberty Net.

Jeff Abramson, SHCA Internet Chair, extended the listserv to all, through
Purple and graciously hosted it for YEARS! Kudos!

Please remember this is a community listserv accessible to ALL may partake
in any discussion that might affect them.  It is NOT; Glenn's listserv.
Indeed it could be partially mine and/or Nick Sanders and/or Jeff Abramson.

As for the UCNeighbors listserv, or as you say Kyle's listserv, was
expressly created to exclude the opinions and/or the persons who stated
them.

I would not join even though I had been asked to because I do not believe in
blocking arguments or posts which annoy me.

Our community is our community and one has to tolerate all sorts.

With no offense to Glenn, this is not Glenn's listserv; rather the
University City Listserv.




On 11/9/09 6:57 PM, Frank fcarr...@pobox.com wrote:

 Are you serious?!?! Are we in grade school??

 Frank

 On Nov 9, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net
 wrote:

 From 6pm Sunday to 6pm Monday, 5 comments about the impact of  the
 SEPTA strike on our neighborhood -- a hot neighborhood topic -- were
 posted on Glenn's List (UnivCity@list.purple.com).

 During the same timeframe, 18 comments about the same subject were
 posted on Kyle's List (ucneighb...@lists.asc.upenn.edu).

 I maintain a presence on Glenn's List because I want to be open to,
 and keep in touch with, all my neighbors. But Kyle's List is where
 the hottest discussion of University City issues takes place these
 days.

 The thing I like most about Kyle, compared to his business rival, is
 he isn't constantly heaping personal abuse on his neighbors in West
 Philadelphia. He never does this, in fact. It's quite refreshing
 compared to the listserve that Glenn rules.

 -- Tony West



 
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[UC] Dylan classic for SHCA/FOCP elections

[Glenn moyer]

Dedicated to Tony West and the FOCP:

Come gather ‘round anointed 
Wherever you roam
And admit that the bullying
Around you has grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be called a buffoon
If the bullshit from you
Is worth savin’
You better start lyin'
And you’ll look like a jerk
For the times they are a changing

Come citizens and critics
Who think with your mind
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won’t come again
And don’t fear the asses
For the truth we can win
And there’s no hidin' the U.
That it’s naming
For the oppressed now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a changin'

Come Tony and Eddie
Please heed the call
Keep locks on the doorway
And shit in the hall
For he who you hurt
Are consumers who’ve stalled
There’s a battle here 
And its ragin’
It’ll soon be exposed 
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'

Come positive thinkers
Throughout the land
And don’t close your eyes
T’what you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters
Need you to demand
Their future is
Rapidly agin’
Please help with a new one
And please use your mind
For the times they are a-changin

The lies they are drawn
The curse it will last
The silent one now
Will later be past
As censorship now
The die it has cast
Plutocracy is
Rapidly comin’
And the silent now
Will later be gas
For the times they are a-changin




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[UC] anybody needs a good tile setter?

[Ana Kostich]

Have this really good tiler [ceramic, marble, glass] but have a few days - week 
break in work. Wonder if someone needs tiling done so I keep him busy [and 
paid]? $130/day
He did a few bathrooms for me and the work is really good.
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