Re: [UC] New chemical burns visible

[Richard Conrad]

Tony,   

When did any said characteristics of the listserve become any kind of a 
criterion for granting of "standing" to a request made by a Clark Park neighbor 
and a potential member / contributor of the Clark Park Partnership.  

Seems to me you just chose that ("unmoderated private listserve, which is owned 
by Villanova University") parlance as an inconvenient excuse for ignoring every 
one of Glenn's (all be they rather ambitious) requests; tell the truth,  Tony.  

Also seems very "disingenuous" of you, to say the least.  

- Rick Conrad  
 
On Jun 21, 2011, at 10:56 PM, Anthony West wrote:

> Glenn,
> 
> Nothing you post on this unmoderated private listserve, which is owned by 
> Villanova University, has any standing as a formal inquiry to any agency of 
> the City of Philadelphia or any of its Clark Park partners. No other 
> Philadelphia public business is ever done on this listserve.
> 
> If you have any information requests from any of the City Parks & Recreation 
> Dept. or any of its partners on the Clark Park Committee, contact P&R through 
> its regular channels.
> 
> -- Tony West
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/21/2011 10:10 PM, Glenn wrote:
>> 
>> Please immediately send the time, date, and location of all general and 
>> committee meetings of the Clark Park Partnership to this public listserv and 
>> the local paper, the University City Review.   (Also send the agenda of the 
>> next meeting.)
>> 
>> Prepare for inspection, the minutes and attendance records for all past 
>> meetings of the Clark Park Partnership.  Prepare the work orders of the 
>> landscape "treatments" applied to Clark Park over the past ten years and 
>> prepare to open the books of the Party for the Park.
>> 
>> Many talented local people will be able to help the  FOCP membership get to 
>> the truth about these chemicals and contractors, if we investigate with time 
>> tested procedures and principles.
>> 
>> Mr. Moyer
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [UC] New chemical burns visible

[Anthony West]

Glenn,

Nothing you post on this unmoderated private listserve, which is owned 
by Villanova University, has any standing as a formal inquiry to any 
agency of the City of Philadelphia or any of its Clark Park partners. No 
other Philadelphia public business is ever done on this listserve.


If you have any information requests from any of the City Parks & 
Recreation Dept. or any of its partners on the Clark Park Committee, 
contact P&R through its regular channels.


-- Tony West



On 6/21/2011 10:10 PM, Glenn wrote:


Please immediately send the time, date, and location of all general 
and committee meetings of the Clark Park Partnership to this public 
listserv and the local paper, the University City Review.   (Also send 
the agenda of the next meeting.)


Prepare for inspection, the minutes and attendance records for all 
past meetings of the Clark Park Partnership.  Prepare the work orders 
of the landscape "treatments" applied to Clark Park over the past ten 
years and prepare to open the books of the Party for the Park.


Many talented local people will be able to help the  FOCP membership 
get to the truth about these chemicals and contractors, if we 
investigate with time tested procedures and principles.


Mr. Moyer





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Re: [UC] New chemical burns visible

[Glenn]

On 6/21/2011 9:46 PM, Anthony West wrote:
That's one of the things we're working on these days. 


Please immediately send the time, date, and location of all general and 
committee meetings of the Clark Park Partnership to this public listserv 
and the local paper, the University City Review.   (Also send the agenda 
of the next meeting.)


Prepare for inspection, the minutes and attendance records for all past 
meetings of the Clark Park Partnership.  Prepare the work orders of the 
landscape "treatments" applied to Clark Park over the past ten years and 
prepare to open the books of the Party for the Park.


Many talented local people will be able to help the  FOCP membership get 
to the truth about these chemicals and contractors, if we investigate 
with time tested procedures and principles.


Mr. Moyer

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Re: [UC] New chemical burns visible

[Anthony West]

You're right about both of these areas. FoCP has reported them to the 
engineers who did the work.


As it happens, neither your initial explanation nor their initial 
explanation was totally satisfying. We especially note that straight 
"trench" shape. Doesn't look much like EITHER a sunbeam OR a herbicide 
administration, does it? So you're both wrong, at least in part.


Typically, in the aftermath of a big construction project, there are 
localized problems. That's one of the things we're working on these days.


-- Tony West



On 6/21/2011 9:25 PM, Glenn wrote:
There are several new and bizarre yellow chemical areas which have 
become visible in Clark Park A.  As the burned area previously 
reported is filling in, new areas look like the lines and crop circles 
made by space aliens.  One is only two feet wide and runs for a dozen 
or more meters.  Another is a perfect circle.



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[UC] New chemical burns visible

[Glenn]

There are several new and bizarre yellow chemical areas which have 
become visible in Clark Park A.  As the burned area previously reported 
is filling in, new areas look like the lines and crop circles made by 
space aliens.  One is only two feet wide and runs for a dozen or more 
meters.  Another is a perfect circle.  It's a total withering and 
yellowing immediately adjacent to thick Frankenstein grass.


Look around the area of the former volleyball court loved by people from 
around the world (1983-2010, RIP).



Considering the amount of time since the herbicide was last applied and 
today, I think we are seeing the evidence of the long period of killing 
potential!  ( I doubt that anyone ever believed the Tony West/landscape 
architect explanation about dry soil causing these bizarre burns.  Dry 
soil-haha.)


 I did most of my research on RoundUp two years ago, but I recall 
reports of finding intact chemical long after the initial application, 
if the right conditions bury the chemical as we've had in Clark Park 
recently.  (The yellowing is also visible just outside of the mulch 
circles around trees which had their roots soaked.)



Also:  Here is an important article about ocean death studies.  You may 
have seen the earlier report about the death in the Gulf of Mexico 
largely caused by these "organic" nitrogen fertilizers.  It's tragically 
hilarious that UCD/FOCP thinks it can hose us with claims about "organic 
fertilizer" now that its herbicide got a bad reputation among upscale 
consumers.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/ipso-2011-ocean-report-mass-extinction_n_880656.html


Pray for the children,
Glenn
PS: Sam and I are heading back to Boston.  Stay cleaner and safer while 
we're back home!









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Re: [UC] Co-opting Darco was question for former FOCP was RoundUp burning is visible

[Glenn]

On 6/21/2011 2:51 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:
And while on rare occasions you actually come up with something useful 
or interesting, for the most part it gets lost in your diatribes 
against "the powers that be" in our neighborhood.


Darco,

Important public data and chronology of the chemical scandal for analysis:

1.  Long term FOCP leader, Tony West, first pretended that city 
employees spread the chemicals in Clark park and the same chemicals on 
all other city parks.  This is completely false and deliberately 
misleads neighbors asking for very basic information.  Glenn Moyer is 
called a liar.


2.  Contractors are acknowledged, but these are asserted to be 
contractors hired by the city, even though an ELITE secret FOCP/UCD 
partnership has replaced city control for many years.  This is a 
disingenuous assertion, sweeping years of control under the rug, to make 
the false claim that chemical exposure was a one time special occurrence 
caused by "city contractors."  Glenn Moyer is called a liar.


3.  It is proven that outside contractors have long been hired by some 
unidentified entity and unidentified individuals to spread unidentified 
chemicals on the park in a secret process.  Then, it is proven that the 
known contractor, Moon, actually subcontracted out the spread of 
chemicals exposing more misinformation.   Long term FOCP leader, Brian 
Siano, gives more assurances about the chemical used in Clark Park, 
while deliberately giving more misinformation about the identity of the 
subcontractor spreading the actual chemicals!  It is absurd that the 
FOCP leaders wouldn't know who spread the chemicals in Clark Park, but 
they are always positive what chemicals have been spread-ha!Citizen 
journalist, Glenn Moyer, is called a liar.




Darco, the important conclusion I get from the data, in the ongoing 
Clark Park chemical scandal, is that the most serious problem is the 
abuse of power and secrecy by "the powers that be."  (Of course, I 
reached that now obvious conclusion long before this latest scandal.)


 The incredible incompetence, now claimed by the FOCP leaders, may 
indeed be true!  I've long considered their "leadership" to be pathetic 
and incompetence may be a concomitant process working alongside their 
bullying and deceptions.  But Darco, the important conclusion that can 
be drawn, with great certainty, is that we are all repeatedly given 
false and misleading information by the FOCP/UCD secret partnership.  
Those unaccountable entities have zero credibility, must not be trusted, 
and must be stripped of all power over our lives and chemicals!


 Do you see how frustrating it would be if one of your many concerned 
neighbors attempted to weed through all of the deliberate false 
directions in a search for the truth about chemical exposure?  Do you 
see how hard working neighbors would be forced to give up a search for 
information so powerfully buried in layers of secrecy and obfuscation??  
Can't you see the serious pattern of abuse of power and the deceptions 
used?  Can't you see how lucky you are to have an ethical citizen 
journalist willing to bear such unsupported personal attacks in defense 
of the truth???


I'm glad I confronted you and didn't give up hope.  It's OK if you 
insult me regularly, I'm used to that 'round here!  But keep studying my 
posts until you experience an epiphany!


Glenn
PS:  I have hope for the future, not "faith."

[UC] Fwd: Missing grey kitty - 49th & Springfield

[Linda Lee]

Begin forwarded message:


From: Linda Lee 
Date: June 21, 2011 11:33:23 AM EDT
To: purple 
Cc: pfsni 
Subject: fwd: Missing grey kitty - 49th & Springfield

On Jun 21, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Susan Finkelstein wrote:

My 15-year-old Russian Blue [all-grey] male cat "Crumb" went missing  
sometime yesterday, June 20, in the vicinity of 49th & Springfield.  
He is rather thin and has had some dental surgery that has made  
eating anything other than watered-down canned food difficult.  
Please email me at susani...@msn.com or

call at 215-435-5273 if you think you've seen him!

Thanks!

Susan


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RE: [UC] Co-opting Darco was question for former FOCP was RoundUp burning is visible

[Lalevic, Darco]

Well, I guess then I have no more responses for you, because no matter how much 
you scream and yell, cry wolf, are right or wrong in accusing FOCP, UCD, or any 
other entity of misbehaving, your audience on this list serve is probably the 
most conducive you will find. And while on rare occasions you actually come up 
with something useful or interesting, for the most part it gets lost in your 
diatribes against "the powers that be" in our neighborhood.

I too feel sad for the coming generations (especially with a 16yo son), but 
having experienced Asia and Europe and studied political systems throughout the 
world, I wouldn't place my faith in those people either.

As for things said about you, they were personal thoughts/feelings, and 
probably are reciprocated by you. I feel that you have been portrayed in no 
less a fashion as you have portrayed others.

I will continue to read your emails with amusement, bewilderment, and 
occasionally actual interest!

Darco


From: Glenn [mailto:glen...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:31 PM
To: Lalevic, Darco
Cc: UnivCity listserv
Subject: Re: [UC] Co-opting Darco was question for former FOCP was RoundUp 
burning is visible

Much better.  Apology accepted.

"And you think Americans will do this?"

No, I do not.  If they won't stand up for public schools, peace, and parks, 
they are far too ignorant and craven to regain their republic or Constitutional 
rights.  I feel extremely sad for coming generations of Americans and put my 
hope for the future in the citizen's of Africa, South America, and Europe.

All the best,
Glenn
PS:  Could you post some of the "extreme things" said about me, so that list 
readers can see the ubiquitous mean-spirited tactics used against dissenters.  
It will help readers understand some of their own fears and help them 
understand why I long for the day I can say good riddance to this upscale 
shopping district.

On 6/21/2011 1:27 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:
"The political elite from the international corporate party, whether or not 
they are incumbents; must be removed from power by mass protest.  Voting for 
any of them has become completely irrelevant because we are long past the point 
of no return!
There will be no "no trespassing signs" as Clark Park becomes inhospitable to 
the former community portrayed as "prostitutes, gang, members, and drug 
dealers."  Permit rules and various police forces will erect invisible but 
extreme barriers for the former community!  This barrier will be 
disproportionately directed at the poor, ethnic minorities, immigrants and 
pro-democracy activists.
Ready for a serious discussion with mature adults,
Glenn"
Um, the straw man requires a misrepresentation of an opponents position -  so 
maybe you are right, I am misrepresenting your position, and if so, I apologize 
as maybe I just don't understand it. So, to be clear -
You're position is that the political elite must be removed by mass protest? 
And you think Americans will do this? And that if they do not, Clark Park will 
be the first step towards shutting out the poor, minorities, and pro-democracy 
activists?












On 6/21/2011 10:25 AM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:
"Darco,  I was extremely disappointed that you'd chosen the FOCP tactics."



Glenn-
It's funny (or sad) that the more I hear from you, the more convinced I become 
of the most extreme things said of you. I have absolutely no motivation to lie 
or distort the truth or defend FOCP or UCD. I have no history of interaction 
with most of the people involved. In fact, while I recognize the benefits of 
the UCD, FOCP, and the general gentrification of my neighborhood (yes, I'm very 
proud to have lived here my entire life), it's my criticisms and disagreements 
of some of trends in the neighborhood that have pushed me to become more 
involved.
On many things, we clearly agree (the dangers of rising corporatism, the use of 
chemicals on public park land), but your intentional warping and muddying of 
facts so closely resembles exactly what you accuse the FOCP (and others of), 
that it becomes preposterous.








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Re: [UC] Co-opting Darco was question for former FOCP was RoundUp burning is visible

[Glenn]

Much better.  Apology accepted.

"And you think Americans will do this?"

No, I do not.  If they won't stand up for public schools, peace, and 
parks, they are far too ignorant and craven to regain their republic or 
Constitutional rights.  I feel extremely sad for coming generations of 
Americans and put my hope for the future in the citizen's of Africa, 
South America, and Europe.


All the best,
Glenn
PS:  Could you post some of the "extreme things" said about me, so that 
list readers can see the ubiquitous mean-spirited tactics used against 
dissenters.  It will help readers understand some of their own fears and 
help them understand why I long for the day I can say good riddance to 
this upscale shopping district.


On 6/21/2011 1:27 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:


"The political elite from the international corporate party, whether 
or not they are incumbents; must be removed from power by mass 
protest.  Voting for any of them has become completely irrelevant 
because we are long past the point of no return!


There will be no "no trespassing signs" as Clark Park becomes 
inhospitable to the former community portrayed as "prostitutes, gang, 
members, and drug dealers."  Permit rules and various police forces 
will erect invisible but extreme barriers for the former community!  
This barrier will be disproportionately directed at the poor, ethnic 
minorities, immigrants and pro-democracy activists.


Ready for a serious discussion with mature adults,
Glenn"

Um, the straw man requires a misrepresentation of an opponents 
position -  so maybe you are right, I am misrepresenting your 
position, and if so, I apologize as maybe I just don't understand it. 
So, to be clear -


You're position is that the political elite must be removed by mass 
protest? And you think Americans will do this? And that if they do 
not, Clark Park will be the first step towards shutting out the poor, 
minorities, and pro-democracy activists?









On 6/21/2011 10:25 AM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:

"Darco,  I was extremely disappointed that you'd chosen the FOCP tactics."


Glenn-

It's funny (or sad) that the more I hear from you, the more convinced 
I become of the most extreme things said of you. I have absolutely no 
motivation to lie or distort the truth or defend FOCP or UCD. I have 
no history of interaction with most of the people involved. In fact, 
while I recognize the benefits of the UCD, FOCP, and the general 
gentrification of my neighborhood (yes, I'm very proud to have lived 
here my entire life), it's my criticisms and disagreements of some of 
trends in the neighborhood that have pushed me to become more involved.


On many things, we clearly agree (the dangers of rising corporatism, 
the use of chemicals on public park land), but your intentional 
warping and muddying of facts so closely resembles exactly what you 
accuse the FOCP (and others of), that it becomes preposterous.


  
  
  
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RE: [UC] Co-opting Darco was question for former FOCP was RoundUp burning is visible

[Lalevic, Darco]

"The political elite from the international corporate party, whether or not 
they are incumbents; must be removed from power by mass protest.  Voting for 
any of them has become completely irrelevant because we are long past the point 
of no return!
There will be no "no trespassing signs" as Clark Park becomes inhospitable to 
the former community portrayed as "prostitutes, gang, members, and drug 
dealers."  Permit rules and various police forces will erect invisible but 
extreme barriers for the former community!  This barrier will be 
disproportionately directed at the poor, ethnic minorities, immigrants and 
pro-democracy activists.
Ready for a serious discussion with mature adults,
Glenn"
Um, the straw man requires a misrepresentation of an opponents position -  so 
maybe you are right, I am misrepresenting your position, and if so, I apologize 
as maybe I just don't understand it. So, to be clear -
You're position is that the political elite must be removed by mass protest? 
And you think Americans will do this? And that if they do not, Clark Park will 
be the first step towards shutting out the poor, minorities, and pro-democracy 
activists?









On 6/21/2011 10:25 AM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:
"Darco,  I was extremely disappointed that you'd chosen the FOCP tactics."


Glenn-
It's funny (or sad) that the more I hear from you, the more convinced I become 
of the most extreme things said of you. I have absolutely no motivation to lie 
or distort the truth or defend FOCP or UCD. I have no history of interaction 
with most of the people involved. In fact, while I recognize the benefits of 
the UCD, FOCP, and the general gentrification of my neighborhood (yes, I'm very 
proud to have lived here my entire life), it's my criticisms and disagreements 
of some of trends in the neighborhood that have pushed me to become more 
involved.
On many things, we clearly agree (the dangers of rising corporatism, the use of 
chemicals on public park land), but your intentional warping and muddying of 
facts so closely resembles exactly what you accuse the FOCP (and others of), 
that it becomes preposterous.








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Re: [UC] Co-opting Darco was question for former FOCP was RoundUp burning is visible

[Glenn]

From the public listserv, Darco replies to Glenn on 5/27/11

"So, taking your view that Clark Park will soon have no trespassing 
signs and a big red and blue P emblazoned on the new open area in Park A...


But wait, you say, we can vote them out of office! Yet every at-large 
incumbent won in the primary. So, it seems that the voters don't share 
your (or my) views."






Absolute lies, Darco!  At first, I thought Tony West was using your e-mail!



Darco, I pleaded with you not to get caught up with the tactics of Tony 
and the FOCP.  This tactic you are now using, referred to as the straw 
man fallacy, has been exposed on this public list.  You need to use this 
with a more ignorant audience, like the FOCP leaders have been doing for 
a very long time!



It's a tactic used to intimidate the passive audience into remaining 
silent, as they see how any and all dissent to concentrated power is 
attacked.  It's one of the most common tactics used by civic association 
leaders, which is why I reprimanded you and made the connection.  
There's no way to have a mature discussion with people using this tactic!



Now, I need to correct your straw man!


I actually express a diametrically opposite view, also shared by the 
revolutionaries of Madrid and around the world.



The political elite from the international corporate party, whether or 
not they are incumbents; must be removed from power by mass protest.  
Voting for any of them has become completely irrelevant because we are 
long past the point of no return!



There will be no "no trespassing signs" as Clark Park becomes 
inhospitable to the former community portrayed as "prostitutes, gang, 
members, and drug dealers."  Permit rules and various police forces will 
erect invisible but extreme barriers for the former community!  This 
barrier will be disproportionately directed at the poor, ethnic 
minorities, immigrants and pro-democracy activists.




Ready for a serious discussion with mature adults,
Glenn






On 6/21/2011 10:25 AM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:


"Darco,  I was extremely disappointed that you'd chosen the FOCP tactics."

Glenn-

It's funny (or sad) that the more I hear from you, the more convinced 
I become of the most extreme things said of you. I have absolutely no 
motivation to lie or distort the truth or defend FOCP or UCD. I have 
no history of interaction with most of the people involved. In fact, 
while I recognize the benefits of the UCD, FOCP, and the general 
gentrification of my neighborhood (yes, I'm very proud to have lived 
here my entire life), it's my criticisms and disagreements of some of 
trends in the neighborhood that have pushed me to become more involved.


On many things, we clearly agree (the dangers of rising corporatism, 
the use of chemicals on public park land), but your intentional 
warping and muddying of facts so closely resembles exactly what you 
accuse the FOCP (and others of), that it becomes preposterous.




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Re: [UC] VP Brian Siano caught, more misinformation...

[Glenn]

"The yearly supplemental maintenance, which Tony referred to in 2009,
is performed by Moon Site Management and was paid for by the Party for
the Park. As we've said before, they've sprayed fertilizers on the
park.  Glenn insists that the fertilizer was a "poison," and lately,
he's insisting that this was actually Roundup all along."



Sorry Brian,it must be totally embarrassing for you FOCP leaders when you are 
continually exposed spreading misinformation by someone who is banned from your 
back room meetings!


The verifiable facts about Clark Park:  Moon landscape is not hired by the city 
nor do they apply the dangerous substances to the park!  Chemicals have long 
been applied to Clark Park by a TruGreen SUBCONTRACTOR from Wilmington DE hired 
by Moon Landscaping . (If West Philly people wish to make a demand for 
information or prove the lack of accountability about chemical history in Clark 
Park, you need to know the truth!)

I reported this fact on this public listserv 10/4/2009, in a post titled "I called 
TruGreen about the park"  Here is an excerpt from my report.


"...I called Trugreen of Wilmington, which has been the subcontractor for Moon, over the 
years.  The boss called me back within minutes.  It was obvious from the pleasant discussion that 
the "wagons have been tightly circled."  (Jerry was very polite and friendly...)"


Brian, why do you guys keep spreading false confusing information?  I'd prefer 
to avoid your mean-spirited wrath and insults, but how are the nice people 
going to learn the truth if I don't tell them???


Ostensibly, it looks like you FOCP/UCD schemers are UNBELIEVABLY INCOMPETENT  
since you seem to have no idea WHO YOU ARE ACTUALLY HIRING to spread unknown 
undocumented substances in Clark Park! (FYI: Nitrogen fertilizers are also a 
huge problem linked to the massive killing and dead zones in the world's water 
systems and oceans.  Believe it or not, not all of us in the district wish to 
piss away the planet for marketing schemes!)


Brian, the problem here is that your insular gang lacks credibility to have 
absolute power over any public space.  You control these decisions in secret 
meetings, then you are extremely nasty, as many citizens try to get simple 
truthful information.

It must be embarrassing for you that I give the people the honest information 
and you keep getting caught giving confusing misinformation peppered with 
insults.

Brian, are FOCP leaders: 1. unbelievably incompetent in your management and 
secret exclusive meetings?

2.  or are you totally dishonest and unwilling to share the truthful 
information about Clark Park?

3.  All of the above

Crazy Glenn, Citizen Journalist




On 6/21/2011 8:22 AM, Brian Siano wrote:

Once again, Glenn attempts to confuse history to fit his imagination.

The yearly supplemental maintenance, which Tony referred to in 2009,
is performed by Moon Site Management and was paid for by the Party for
the Park. As we've said before, they've sprayed fertilizers on the
park. Glenn insists that the fertilizer was a "poison," and lately,
he's insisting that this was actually Roundup all along.

The landscaping in the Park A reconstruction, where Roundup was used
on one occasion two months ago, was performed by landscaping
contractor hired by Parks and Recreation. Two different landscaping
companies, hired by two different entities, performing very different
tasks. It's not confusing, and Tony's outlined this before.

And if Glenn reads these things as closely as he pretends, then his
weird questions for Darco below can only be read as an attempt to
obfuscate and confuse the issues.


On 6/20/11, Glenn  wrote:

On 6/20/2011 4:20 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:

I can certainly attest that from what I've seen, the FOCP board was as
surprised (actually probably more so) as you regarding the recent use
of roundup.

Given that the contractors are hired by the city, through the Park
Dept., it's unsurprising that the FOCP wasn't aware of it.


Darco,

   Here is what Tony West said about the contractors on 9/29/09 in a
response to one of my previous reports of chemicals used in Clark Park.
There seems to be a serious contradiction about hiring the contractors!
Are you correct or is Tony West correct?

People will wonder why there is so much confusion over such a simple
question about who hires the contractors!

"...The guys who were hired are Moon Site Management. They are the
reason the trash is removed twice a week rather than once a week during
the peak season. They are the reason the grass in the park is mown more
than once every 2 months in the peak season. And they are the sole
reason the grass gets any maintenance at all; your tax dollars purchase
ZERO lawn care ever, for our neighborhood's most cherished and most
heavily used and abused lawn..."


Darco, are you claiming that the Parks department has actually hired
these contractors since the beginning of the "Party for the Park" and
the plot to redesign??  If these 

RE: [UC] question for former FOCP was RoundUp burning is visible

[Lalevic, Darco]

"Darco,  I was extremely disappointed that you'd chosen the FOCP tactics."

Glenn-
It's funny (or sad) that the more I hear from you, the more convinced I become 
of the most extreme things said of you. I have absolutely no motivation to lie 
or distort the truth or defend FOCP or UCD. I have no history of interaction 
with most of the people involved. In fact, while I recognize the benefits of 
the UCD, FOCP, and the general gentrification of my neighborhood (yes, I'm very 
proud to have lived here my entire life), it's my criticisms and disagreements 
of some of trends in the neighborhood that have pushed me to become more 
involved.
On many things, we clearly agree (the dangers of rising corporatism, the use of 
chemicals on public park land), but your intentional warping and muddying of 
facts so closely resembles exactly what you accuse the FOCP (and others of), 
that it becomes preposterous.

Re: [UC] question for former FOCP was RoundUp burning is visible

[Brian Siano]

Once again, Glenn attempts to confuse history to fit his imagination.

The yearly supplemental maintenance, which Tony referred to in 2009,
is performed by Moon Site Management and was paid for by the Party for
the Park. As we've said before, they've sprayed fertilizers on the
park. Glenn insists that the fertilizer was a "poison," and lately,
he's insisting that this was actually Roundup all along.

The landscaping in the Park A reconstruction, where Roundup was used
on one occasion two months ago, was performed by landscaping
contractor hired by Parks and Recreation. Two different landscaping
companies, hired by two different entities, performing very different
tasks. It's not confusing, and Tony's outlined this before.

And if Glenn reads these things as closely as he pretends, then his
weird questions for Darco below can only be read as an attempt to
obfuscate and confuse the issues.


On 6/20/11, Glenn  wrote:
>
> On 6/20/2011 4:20 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:
>>
>> I can certainly attest that from what I've seen, the FOCP board was as
>> surprised (actually probably more so) as you regarding the recent use
>> of roundup.
>>
>> Given that the contractors are hired by the city, through the Park
>> Dept., it's unsurprising that the FOCP wasn't aware of it.
>>
>
> Darco,
>
>   Here is what Tony West said about the contractors on 9/29/09 in a
> response to one of my previous reports of chemicals used in Clark Park.
> There seems to be a serious contradiction about hiring the contractors!
> Are you correct or is Tony West correct?
>
> People will wonder why there is so much confusion over such a simple
> question about who hires the contractors!
>
> "...The guys who were hired are Moon Site Management. They are the
> reason the trash is removed twice a week rather than once a week during
> the peak season. They are the reason the grass in the park is mown more
> than once every 2 months in the peak season. And they are the sole
> reason the grass gets any maintenance at all; your tax dollars purchase
> ZERO lawn care ever, for our neighborhood's most cherished and most
> heavily used and abused lawn..."
>
>
> Darco, are you claiming that the Parks department has actually hired
> these contractors since the beginning of the "Party for the Park" and
> the plot to redesign??  If these companies were hired by the city, as
> you say; they may be compelled to allow us to investigate their work
> orders so that we can determine what chemicals were used in Clark Park!
> We have a right to request government documentation according to the PA
> right to know law!  Of course, special service districts and insular
> civic associations never allow accountability or review of their records.
>
> Wow, I'm really excited to learn who has hired these mysterious
> contractors of the past decade!
>
>
> If the Party for the Park does not fund the outside maintenance
> contractors, however; can your sources disclose the use of the Party for
> the Park money ???  I'm sure when you discover the truth, you will see
> why people are concerned about what chemicals they've been exposed to
> over the years since the first corporate "Party for the Park"
>
>
> Thanks,
> Glenn
> PS:  Your comments have matured greatly since our last communications!
> Darco,  I was extremely disappointed that you'd chosen the FOCP tactics.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [UC] question for former FOCP was RoundUp burning is visible

[Glenn]

On 6/20/2011 5:38 PM, Wolfe J. Matthew wrote:
The City Recreation Department has announced that they have reached an 
agreement with a consortium of natural gas drillers that they will 
purchase some of the water left over after the fracking process used 
to force the natural gas out of the ground in the Marcellus Shale 
areas.  This water is known to be rich in nutrients necessary to grow 
sod.  The price that the city will pay for this enriched water will be 
far below the prices that they have been paying for fertilizer in 
parks throughout the city park system. 


Wow Matt, you explain the great vision as well as an FOCP President!

Let's all sing a song of celebration for our rich nutrients:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABWyXKT5qt4

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