Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd & Baltimore

[Glenn]

On 8/11/2011 11:17 PM, robert rathmann wrote:

Dude... get a life or at least take the time to enjoy the one you have.



Oh Ratmann, let's not confuse enjoyment with stupidity!

Thoughtful happy grownups have been discussing the flawed dealings of 
government.


Your type of ad hominem interjection is rather pathetic and bullies the 
listserv readers; "Glenn and others will shut up because I call Glenn 
miserable.  My beloved Siano and Parklet have been brilliantly 
defended.  And I didn't need to defend or support my Parklet with no 
damn rational statements.  I'm happy, happy, happy!"


Rat, if you're too stupid to profess your love for Siano or represent 
your positions on the Parklet, let the discussions for the mature adults!


Happy and contented,
Glenn

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Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd & Baltimore

[Mike VanHelder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74kOgbPQ7LI

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Glenn  wrote:

>
>
> On 8/11/2011 11:17 PM, robert rathmann wrote:
>
>> Dude... get a life or at least take the time to enjoy the one you have.
>>
>
>
> Oh Ratmann, let's not confuse enjoyment with stupidity!
>
> Thoughtful happy grownups have been discussing the flawed dealings of
> government.
>
> Your type of ad hominem interjection is rather pathetic and bullies the
> listserv readers; "Glenn and others will shut up because I call Glenn
> miserable.  My beloved Siano and Parklet have been brilliantly defended.
>  And I didn't need to defend or support my Parklet with no damn rational
> statements.  I'm happy, happy, happy!"
>
> Rat, if you're too stupid to profess your love for Siano or represent your
> positions on the Parklet, let the discussions for the mature adults!
>
> Happy and contented,
> Glenn
>
> 
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Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd & Baltimore

[Gavin W. Burris]

Lies and conspiracy everywhere
It's enough to make Glenn pull out all his hair
Marginalizing people by painting them as stereotypes
Helps Glenn vent all his endless gripes


On 08/11/2011 09:48 PM, Glenn wrote:
> Vice President Siano:  "No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they
> dislike..."  "...Pretty much the definition of "silly."
> 
> 
> As he walked around the Parklet
> 
> Brian pondered a brilliant thoughtlet
> 
> Should I shit?
> 
> Or should I fart?
> 
> Since I’m in charge
> 
> We’ll call it art.
> 
>  
> 
> And the heavens opened with his Wind
> 
> The silly peasants sure have sinned
> 
> And the Lord belched out into the darklet
> 
> And suddenly, out popped more Parklets!
> 
>  
> 
> And from his office at the Wharton school
> 
> The Lord said, "the poor are merely fools"
> 
> And Brian shouted his second thoughtlet
> 
> “Since square is round, we’ve defined a Parklet”
> 
>  
> 
> When the great Lord worked his magic here
> 
> The whores and gangs were drinking beer
> 
> He kicked them out in a righteous fit
> 
> He whirled His wand near the gravel pit
> 
>  
> 
> And all the good children gathered round
> 
> They drooled and screamed, “square is round!”
> 
> Then the Lord made them cleaner and safer
> 
>   He took out their brain and wrapped it in paper
> 
>  
> 
>   “We love you Lord,” screamed the righteous throng
> 
>   “For you dear Lord, we’ll wear our thongs”
> 
>“And if you call Clark Park a frog”
> 
>“We’ll torture Glenn, then kill a dog”
> 
>  
> 
>“And if you say that black is white”
> 
>“We’ll yank our thongs and twist them tight”
> 
>“We pledge our lives to your history”
> 
>“Yes two plus two is always three”  
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> On 8/11/2011 5:38 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
>> On 8/11/2011 12:36 PM, Karen Allen wrote:
>>> Apart from calling people "stupid" and "silly", Brian's attempt to
>>> ridicule legitimate questions appears to endorse one thing: that
>>> the "parklet" is primarily intended to provide free seating to
>>> benefit private businesses, which was actually Glenn and Al's point.
>>>  
>>> *"As for the provision of extra seating for either the Green Line and
>>> the Best House... well, this is actually kind of a stupid issue"*
>>> It's not "stupid"- Al was raising the quesion of whether there was
>>> bias in the choice of placement based on the people likely to use the
>>> seating.
>> No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they dislike,  such as
>> "the anointed who sip their lattes and tap-tap-tap away on their
>> laptops," and insinuating bad motives about the parklet's placement.
>> Pretty much the definition of "silly."
>>
>>> *"So one can't argue that one place needs seating more than the
>>> other, and then argue that there's no need for the Parklet. That's
>>> silly."*
>>> It's only "silly" if the assumption is that there is a "need" for
>>> more public space to be diverted to the benefit of a private business
>>> entity. We already have that now with sidewalk cafes, but at least
>>> the business has to provide the chairs and tables and have a limit
>>> on how much of the sidewalk can be used. "Parklets" provide chairs,
>>> tables and a nice deck--put up and taken down--all for free, and the
>>> residents lose two parking spaces. There is no "need" for a public or
>>> quasi-public entity to use public space to provide free outdoor
>>> seating to *any* private business. If they want seating, they can pay
>>> for it themselves. And if there is a need for more space for rest and
>>> reflection, why not simply ask the residential community where they'd
>>> like it to go?
>> First of all... the parklet is not exclusively for Green Line
>> customers. Buy a sandwich at the Best House and eat it across the
>> street. Nothing's stopping anyone from doing this.
>>
>> Second, the space taken up by the parklet was, previously, used
>> exclusively by Philly Car Share for several years. I haven't seen any
>> complaints about _that_ business taking parking spots away from others.
>>
>> Third, you're complaining about public spaces being used to "provide
>> free outdoor seating to *any* private business." Really? So you object
>> to the use of, say, Clark Park as a place to eat the food purchased at
>> the Best House or Green Line or Milk and Honey? Because that's what
>> people do. That's one of the reasons why we put tables and chairs in
>> the park-- to give people a place to sit while they eat. And yes, it
>> benefits those local businesses. (Frankly, we hope that those
>> businesses will kick in funds for more tables and chairs.) So do all
>> kinds of public improvements. Install better lighting and trash cans,
>> fix the sidewalks, you're encouraging foot traffic, and nearby
>> businesses benefit.
>>
>> But if the benefit to local businesses is such a horrible thing,
>> please, tell me about public improvements that _don't_ a

Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd & Baltimore

[Glenn]

"Lies and conspiracy everywhere
It's enough to make Glenn pull out all his hair
Marginalizing people by painting them as stereotypes
Helps Glenn vent all his endless gripes"

And Gavin joins the Parklet rhyme
I think we've struck a nerve this time
The good folks suck their lattes dry
While dreaming of the U Penn pie

(your turn)

On 8/12/2011 10:04 AM, Gavin W. Burris wrote:

Lies and conspiracy everywhere
It's enough to make Glenn pull out all his hair
Marginalizing people by painting them as stereotypes
Helps Glenn vent all his endless gripes


On 08/11/2011 09:48 PM, Glenn wrote:

Vice President Siano:  "No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they
dislike..."  "...Pretty much the definition of "silly."


As he walked around the Parklet

Brian pondered a brilliant thoughtlet

Should I shit?

Or should I fart?

Since I'm in charge

We'll call it art.



And the heavens opened with his Wind

The silly peasants sure have sinned

And the Lord belched out into the darklet

And suddenly, out popped more Parklets!



And from his office at the Wharton school

The Lord said, "the poor are merely fools"

And Brian shouted his second thoughtlet

"Since square is round, we've defined a Parklet"



When the great Lord worked his magic here

The whores and gangs were drinking beer

He kicked them out in a righteous fit

He whirled His wand near the gravel pit



And all the good children gathered round

They drooled and screamed, "square is round!"

Then the Lord made them cleaner and safer

   He took out their brain and wrapped it in paper



   "We love you Lord," screamed the righteous throng

   "For you dear Lord, we'll wear our thongs"

"And if you call Clark Park a frog"

"We'll torture Glenn, then kill a dog"



"And if you say that black is white"

"We'll yank our thongs and twist them tight"

"We pledge our lives to your history"

"Yes two plus two is always three"



























On 8/11/2011 5:38 PM, Brian Siano wrote:

On 8/11/2011 12:36 PM, Karen Allen wrote:

Apart from calling people "stupid" and "silly", Brian's attempt to
ridicule legitimate questions appears to endorse one thing: that
the "parklet" is primarily intended to provide free seating to
benefit private businesses, which was actually Glenn and Al's point.

*"As for the provision of extra seating for either the Green Line and
the Best House... well, this is actually kind of a stupid issue"*
It's not "stupid"- Al was raising the quesion of whether there was
bias in the choice of placement based on the people likely to use the
seating.

No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they dislike,  such as
"the anointed who sip their lattes and tap-tap-tap away on their
laptops," and insinuating bad motives about the parklet's placement.
Pretty much the definition of "silly."


*"So one can't argue that one place needs seating more than the
other, and then argue that there's no need for the Parklet. That's
silly."*
It's only "silly" if the assumption is that there is a "need" for
more public space to be diverted to the benefit of a private business
entity. We already have that now with sidewalk cafes, but at least
the business has to provide the chairs and tables and have a limit
on how much of the sidewalk can be used. "Parklets" provide chairs,
tables and a nice deck--put up and taken down--all for free, and the
residents lose two parking spaces. There is no "need" for a public or
quasi-public entity to use public space to provide free outdoor
seating to *any* private business. If they want seating, they can pay
for it themselves. And if there is a need for more space for rest and
reflection, why not simply ask the residential community where they'd
like it to go?

First of all... the parklet is not exclusively for Green Line
customers. Buy a sandwich at the Best House and eat it across the
street. Nothing's stopping anyone from doing this.

Second, the space taken up by the parklet was, previously, used
exclusively by Philly Car Share for several years. I haven't seen any
complaints about _that_ business taking parking spots away from others.

Third, you're complaining about public spaces being used to "provide
free outdoor seating to *any* private business." Really? So you object
to the use of, say, Clark Park as a place to eat the food purchased at
the Best House or Green Line or Milk and Honey? Because that's what
people do. That's one of the reasons why we put tables and chairs in
the park-- to give people a place to sit while they eat. And yes, it
benefits those local businesses. (Frankly, we hope that those
businesses will kick in funds for more tables and chairs.) So do all
kinds of public improvements. Install better lighting and trash cans,
fix the sidewalks, you're encouraging foot traffic, and nearby
businesses benefit.

But if the benefit to local businesses is such a horrible thing,
please, tell me about public improvements that _don't_ also benefit
loca

Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd & Baltimore

[Gavin W. Burris]

There is no nerve to strike
As I ride by the parklet on my bike
Please, no latte for me
I prefer black coffee or some tea
Academia may be my industry of choice
I can think of few others that give the mind such voice


Academia may be my industry of choice
But

On 08/12/2011 10:54 AM, Glenn wrote:
> "Lies and conspiracy everywhere
> It's enough to make Glenn pull out all his hair
> Marginalizing people by painting them as stereotypes
> Helps Glenn vent all his endless gripes"
> 
> And Gavin joins the Parklet rhyme
> I think we've struck a nerve this time
> The good folks suck their lattes dry
> While dreaming of the U Penn pie
> 
> (your turn)
> 
> On 8/12/2011 10:04 AM, Gavin W. Burris wrote:
>> Lies and conspiracy everywhere
>> It's enough to make Glenn pull out all his hair
>> Marginalizing people by painting them as stereotypes
>> Helps Glenn vent all his endless gripes
>>
>>
>> On 08/11/2011 09:48 PM, Glenn wrote:
>>> Vice President Siano:  "No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they
>>> dislike..."  "...Pretty much the definition of "silly."
>>>
>>>
>>> As he walked around the Parklet
>>>
>>> Brian pondered a brilliant thoughtlet
>>>
>>> Should I shit?
>>>
>>> Or should I fart?
>>>
>>> Since I’m in charge
>>>
>>> We’ll call it art.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> And the heavens opened with his Wind
>>>
>>> The silly peasants sure have sinned
>>>
>>> And the Lord belched out into the darklet
>>>
>>> And suddenly, out popped more Parklets!
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> And from his office at the Wharton school
>>>
>>> The Lord said, "the poor are merely fools"
>>>
>>> And Brian shouted his second thoughtlet
>>>
>>> “Since square is round, we’ve defined a Parklet”
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> When the great Lord worked his magic here
>>>
>>> The whores and gangs were drinking beer
>>>
>>> He kicked them out in a righteous fit
>>>
>>> He whirled His wand near the gravel pit
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> And all the good children gathered round
>>>
>>> They drooled and screamed, “square is round!”
>>>
>>> Then the Lord made them cleaner and safer
>>>
>>>   He took out their brain and wrapped it in paper
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>   “We love you Lord,” screamed the righteous throng
>>>
>>>   “For you dear Lord, we’ll wear our thongs”
>>>
>>>“And if you call Clark Park a frog”
>>>
>>>“We’ll torture Glenn, then kill a dog”
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>“And if you say that black is white”
>>>
>>>“We’ll yank our thongs and twist them tight”
>>>
>>>“We pledge our lives to your history”
>>>
>>>“Yes two plus two is always three”  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
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>>>  
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>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
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>>>
>>> On 8/11/2011 5:38 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
 On 8/11/2011 12:36 PM, Karen Allen wrote:
> Apart from calling people "stupid" and "silly", Brian's attempt to
> ridicule legitimate questions appears to endorse one thing: that
> the "parklet" is primarily intended to provide free seating to
> benefit private businesses, which was actually Glenn and Al's point.
>  
> *"As for the provision of extra seating for either the Green Line and
> the Best House... well, this is actually kind of a stupid issue"*
> It's not "stupid"- Al was raising the quesion of whether there was
> bias in the choice of placement based on the people likely to use the
> seating.
 No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they dislike,  such as
 "the anointed who sip their lattes and tap-tap-tap away on their
 laptops," and insinuating bad motives about the parklet's placement.
 Pretty much the definition of "silly."

> *"So one can't argue that one place needs seating more than the
> other, and then argue that there's no need for the Parklet. That's
> silly."*
> It's only "silly" if the assumption is that there is a "need" for
> more public space to be diverted to the benefit of a private business
> entity. We already have that now with sidewalk cafes, but at least
> the business has to provide the chairs and tables and have a limit
> on how much of the sidewalk can be used. "Parklets" provide chairs,
> tables and a nice deck--put up and taken down--all for free, and the
> residents lose two parking spaces. There is no "need" for a public or
> quasi-public entity to use public space to provide free outdoor
> seating to *any* private business. If they want seating, they can pay
> for it themselves. And if there is a need for more space for rest and
> reflection, why not simply ask the residential community where they'd
> like it to go?
 First of all... the parklet is not exclusively for Green Line
 customers. Buy a sandwich at the Best House and eat it across the
 street. Nothing's stopping anyone from doing this.

 Second, the space taken up by the parklet was, previously, used
 exclusively by Philly Car Share for several years. I haven't se

Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd & Baltimore

[Glenn]

On 8/12/2011 11:15 AM, Gavin W. Burris wrote:

There is no nerve to strike
As I ride by the parklet on my bike
Please, no latte for me
I prefer black coffee or some tea
Academia may be my industry of choice
I can think of few others that give the mind such voice


Your senses seem free and ingenuous
But dangerous untruths interrupt our bliss
Read again, your neighbors serious thoughts
There's more to a citizen than viewing sports!

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Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd & Baltimore

[Brian Siano]

On 8/12/2011 11:39 AM, Glenn wrote:

Your senses seem free and ingenuous
But dangerous untruths interrupt our bliss
Read again, your neighbors serious thoughts
There's more to a citizen than viewing sports!


Jeepers, creepers
where'd ya get those peepers
Jeepers, creepers,
where'd ya get those eyes?



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Re: [UC] Parking Spaces @ 43rd & Baltimore

[William H. Magill]

On Aug 11, 2011, at 7:09 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:

> Brian Siano wrote:
> 
>>> Pretty much the definition of "silly."
> 
> 
> here's what sounds silly: the premise and the experiment.
> 
> the premise that west philly is so teeming with people that we need parklets 
> to provide the public with extra tables and chairs in the street so that they 
> can enjoy the sun and shade -- AND that west philly is so teeming with people 
> that we could do with less parking spots for their cars (or cars that were 
> once so important to provide thru philly car share).
> 
> the experiment that captures parking spaces and converts them into public 
> places for sitting at tables and chairs -- right next to a big public park.

One thing which I found fascinating …. Unless as part of PhillyCarShare's 
continuing collapse had already removed them…  

The parking space(s) removed were a "turning lane" and a PhillyCarShare Pod.

This whole "parklet" thing is yet another  imported "California Idea."

What the importers fail to realize is that California streets are typically 6 
to 8 WIDE lanes wide, while Philadelaphia streets, are, like 43rd or Baltimore, 
only 4 NARROW lanes wide
(two traffic lanes and two parking lanes.) Similarly, California does not have 
a "parking problem" as exists here in Philadelphia -- it has a "too many cars 
on the road" problem.

Of course, the MOST interesting thing is … who bears the liability (i.e. pays 
the medical bills of) the folks sitting in the parklet when a car slams into 
it.  The whole construction is "portable" meaning that it is flimsy, and while 
the "first season of installation" is likely to be sound, once it is 
disassembled in October, and re-assembled next spring, it is likely to be 
missing parts and not quite correctly assembled.

One finds it difficult to believe that anyone in West Philadelphia could 
possibly find it "responsible thinking" to intentionally remove parking 
places…. even WITHOUT the suburban student parking issue!


William H. Magill
Block Captain
4400 Chestnut Street



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[UC] Penn and parking

[Krfapt]

In a message dated 8/12/2011 5:03:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mag...@mcgillsociety.org writes:

At one  time Penn DID provide "cheap" parking, nominally only for faculty 
and staff,  and maybe even students -- don't recall.
1.  If Penn people were as ecologically-oriented as they profess to be, 
they'd  take public transportation rather than drive in from the suburbs 
and park on  the streets in our neighborhood. The situation is almost enough 
to convince me  to get the signatures needed to apply for permit parking on 
my block. 
2.  Many of us will remember when the idea of a shelter for homeless 
women  with young children at the former Nursing home in the 4500 block of 
Chestnut  was quashed. Penn then proposed to lease the building as a "LIFE" 
center  -- kind of an outpatient nursing home -- to be run by the school of 
nursing.  Many of the folks in the area liked the concept, but the issue of 
parking was  raised because the building in question had only a few spaces. The 
Penn people  said (I remember it clearly... it was at one of Glenn Bryant's 
"First  Thursday" nosh-and-pander meetings) they wouldn't be jamming the  
curbs with cars because a) most of the "clients" would be arriving and  
departing by LIFE vans, and b) most of the Penn people working there would be  
coming up from Campus and, being the good citizens for whom Penn is famous,  
they'd use SEPTA. Well, point "a)" seems to be true enough. But point "b)"  
definitely isn't. It used to be easy to find parking spaces on the 
surrounding  blocks (I know because I have a building there); now it's 
virtually 
impossible  during daytime hours. Were the people who made the statement just 
being naive,  disingenuous, or (dare I suggest) both? 
3.  That park-n-ride (or whatever it's called) at the University 
exit/entrance  of the Expressway is fairly economical. You pay for a space 
there 
by the  month and they take you to and pick you up from various locations 
around  the campus and the hospitals. Of course, why pay anything when you can 
park  free in a neighborhood where you neither live nor work -- a 
neighborhood full  of those slovenly, despicable, no-account, unwashed, 
tattooed, 
morally  corrupt renters and others of the benighted classes?
--
Alan  Krigman
KRF Management
215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
_www.krf.icodat.com_ (http://www.iconworldwide.com/krf)