[UC] For Darco Fwd: Re: dog committee

[Glenn]

Darco,

These two forwards nicely show the refusal of a written request, with 
membership dues paid, to the FOCP leaders.  They can and have regularly 
denied members inclusion on all sorts of committees.


I have been warning people for years not to pay membership dues.  It is 
a complete lie that any FOCP member can join any FOCP committee.  Tony 
West rules "the community" with an iron fist.  Any one capable of 
exposing Tony's bullying will always be barred while their other board 
members watch.


Darco, I can start forwarding dozens of requests copied to this listserv 
in which I politely request THE TIME, DATE, AND LOCATION of various FOCP 
meetings along with the nasty refusals, lies, and misinformation I 
received in response.


All of these will demonstrate that all planning meetings about the 
"revitalization" were kept secret. (Periodically, FOCP would perform a 
tightly controlled "dog and pony" show.  They would only allow 3 or 4 
minutes before the end, for 1 minute comments.  They would interrupt and 
silence anyone commenting on the secretive process)


The FOCP general membership also directed the leaders of FOCP to publish 
the time, date, location, and agenda of their meetings in the local 
paper, the University City Review.  They defied their members after 
approximately 1 year.  Then, they started moving forward with the 
redesign meetings.  (There are written records and witnesses to all of this)


The written record on this listserv provides abundant evidence that the 
leaders of FOCP protected the secrecy of the redesign meetings over a 
period of years.


Sincerely,
Glenn



 Original Message 
Subject:Re: dog committee
Date:   Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:12:44 -0800 (PST)
From:   Jonathan Snyder 
To: Glenn 
CC: anthony west 



Hi Glenn-
Thanks for your email.  I am grateful for your interest in this issue.  
Tony West had quite a challenge, but has picked a committee in which 
those who are pro leash, anti leash, and undecided are all represented.  
At this time there are no plans to increase the size of the committee, 
but I value your input.
The first meeting went well.  The committee members introduced 
themselves, and we discussed some of the issues surrounding dogs in the 
park including safety, benefits and costs of a fenced in dog run, the 
increase in the number of unleashed dogs, and effects of moving the tot 
lot.  My goal is to attempt to find solutions in which all park users 
feel safe and welcome.  If you have any ideas to share, comments, or 
further questions please contact me.

-Jonathan Snyder

*/Glenn /* wrote:

   Hi Jonathan,
I would very much like to join the committtee discussing the
   Clark Park dog culture.  I've been a part of that culture since 1981
   and currently bring Sam since 1998.  Also, I have been part of
   organized discussions about the dog culture since 2001, and I have a
   good bit to contribute on this topic.
My membership recently lapsed so I will drop off a check today
   to Tony West.  Except for that lapse, I have been a member of the
   association continuously since 1996.
Feel free to call, 215 382 4565. Thank you.
   Glenn Moyer
   Request as FoCP member to help represent the interests of the
   existing dog culture.


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[UC] For Darco Fwd: Re: dog committee

[Glenn]

Darco,

Here you can see a written request to join the FOCP dog committee.   (We 
caught Tony West cheating on the vote count a year later.  Search for 
discussions about "the secret six")  The next forward is the written 
refusal I received from President Jonathon Snyder.


Please consider Ric's comments about our exchange.  In terms of logical 
fallacies, it's called a straw man.  Tony publicly uses this technique 
regularly.  He uses it to intimidate people by attempting to alter a 
person's position in a way that would make them appear foolish or 
dishonest.  Then, he argues against the position of the created straw man.


This technique assumes that the readers of the listserv are idiots and 
can not detect the technique.  Ric has shown you that it's pretty easy 
for reader's to detect the deception.


Glenn

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: dog committee
Date:   Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:32:02 -0500
From:   Anthony West 
To: Glenn 
CC: Jonathan Snyder 



Glenn,
I got your check so you are paid up. Thanks for volunteering. I advised 
the committee at its first meeting that its members must inevitably deal 
with requests by other FoCP members to participate or provide input in 
other ways; and that they would have to determine their own ability to 
handle that and establish their own procedures for it. The committee 
will be organizing itself when it meets again. Its overall work will 
take quite some time, so there will be no rush to decision-making 
that might exclude your input.
In the meantime, any member's input that I receive myself, as president 
or as chair of the Membership Committee, I shall forward straight to 
Jonathan.

-- Tony

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Glenn 
   *To:* jonathan_snyder2...@yahoo.com
   
   *Cc:* anthony_w...@dca.net  ; Glenn
   
   *Sent:* Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:40 PM
   *Subject:* dog committee

   Hi Jonathan,
I would very much like to join the committtee discussing the
   Clark Park dog culture.  I've been a part of that culture since 1981
   and currently bring Sam since 1998.  Also, I have been part of
   organized discussions about the dog culture since 2001, and I have a
   good bit to contribute on this topic.
My membership recently lapsed so I will drop off a check today
   to Tony West.  Except for that lapse, I have been a member of the
   association continuously since 1996.
Feel free to call, 215 382 4565. Thank you.
   Glenn Moyer
   Request as FoCP member to help represent the interests of the
   existing dog culture.