Fwd: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[pmuyehara]

One thing we can agree on is that some branding just doesn't work: 
 Central City Toyota, 4800 Chestnut St.  Huh?
 
 
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The logical flaw underlying most of these "anti-marketing" posts is to assume 
that if a name is used in some entity's marketing, therefore that name is 
*only* marketing. It's like saying, because the Philadelphia Phillies use the 
name "Philadelphia" in their marketing, therefore "Philadelphia" is a marketing 
tool. Or, because "The Green Line" is used by a café, that means the name has 
"become a brand". This is true but, in the context of our discussion, only in a 
trivial and misleading way. 
 
As earlier posters pointed out, *all* urban names begin as marketing. All 
cities are built, then marketed and sold. Most name changes, which are also 
built into city life, represent somebody's effort to repackage an area. So the 
discovery of Marketing in urban real estate names is a duh! discovery that 
really tells us nothing. 
 
More importantly for political purposes is whether a name catches on with the 
public. In order words ... did the marketing work? If it did, then it must have 
met a popular need. If it didn't ... where are the Edselvilles of yesteryear? 
 
As of 2006, "University City" is obviously being used by the public. There is 
good evidence, in fact, that the information-seeking public (as opposed to the 
sticker-printing public) prefers it to "West Philadelphia" as a community name. 
 
The June 2006 Verizon White Pages lists 23 separate entities that use the 
phrase "West Philadelphia" as part of their names. But only 6 of them are 
within the generally accepted boundaries of University City (say, Spring Garden 
to 42nd to Market to 52nd to the EPTA tracks to the Schuylkill). 
 
The same edition lists 15 separate entities that use the phrase "University 
City" as part of their names. Of these, 14 actually lie within our community. 
 
Regardless of its origin, then, University City exists and is well known today. 
There is no law against anybody's using it in their marketing. 
 
-- Tony West 
 
Wilma wrote: 
>I believe the name University City was first bandied about in the early >70's 
> and not the 60's. Also Powelton Village and Sansom Village (remember > 
> that?). 
> It helps to have grown up here. 
> 
> University City has become a brand now promoted by the UCD. This is true. 
 
 
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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[MLamond]

In a message dated 4/13/07 10:24:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> The real debate is about neighborhood names breaking free of being
> labeled
> as "University" owned.
> 
> I hope you all enjoy the article.
> 
> S
> 
Sharieff, thanks for reminding me about the 1997 Penn Gazette article, now 
almost 9 years old.   I remember reading it when it first came out.   

I also remember the writer calling me when he was researching for it, and 
asking me if I'd be willing to talk with him - about the sorry state of the 
neighborhood, and Penn's efforts to make things better.   I replied that I 
would be 
willing ONLY IF they were also willing to include information about how Penn 
had "badmouthed" the neighborhood for something like 10 years, before changing 
their tune when Judith Rodin became the new Penn president.   I told the 
writer that I'd lived in the neighborhood for many years, and I'd watched 
Penn's 
PR go from positive, to negative, and back to positive again.   I said that the 
years of Penn's negativity had caused many of the problems.   

Then, I remember a long pause on the phone line.   Next, the writer thanked 
me for "sharing" my opinion, and we ended our conversation - and ended my 
participation in the article!   I was not surprised that I was not quoted.   It 
was, after all, a marketing piece FOR PENN, not the area, and it was in a Penn 
publication.   It wasn't an independent analysis.   It's hardly the final 
authority on anything.

You know all of this; we both worked together back then on initiatives like 
"University City Saturday: A Community Open House," invented by Patrick Starr 
(he's mentioned in the article) to promote our community as a fine place to 
live.   INDEPENDENT of Penn's negativity, we held "University City Saturday" 
every year.   To COUNTER Penn's negativity.   During those years, we couldn't 
interest Penn in participating.   Our main sponsor each year was the old 
Thriftway 
at 43rd & Walnut - every year, they gave us $500 for PR and a spread of 
snacks for the "information fair" on the day of the event.

But, just like the Gazette article, none of us is the final authority on 
anything.   It's like the story of the blind folks feeling the elephant, and 
then 
describing it in totally different ways, depending on whether they touched the 
tusk, the tail, the leg or the ear.   Things affect each of us differently.   


Concerning the current listserv accusations about Penn and marketing, 
however, if one believes anything in that article, I think one might believe a 
direct 
quote from Lois Bye, describing how the name was invented at Urban 
Developers, the real estate firm which predates Urban & Bye, where I work:

"Philadelphia is a city of neighborhoods," [Lois Bye] points out. "West 
Philadelphia was such a huge place, and we were trying to develop a market in 
these 
big Victorian houses around the University, to encourage faculty to move back 
into a diversified neighborhood. So we decided to designate the area 
University City."

So, yes to marketing - but no to PENN marketing.   Though Lois and her 
husband George Funderburg, founders of Urban Developers, were Penn graduates, 
they 
were not Penn employees.   They were small business people who managed to have 
a very large impact on the real estate market in this small area, whatever you 
want to call it.   George, who was from Atlanta, had been a salesman of other 
things in the past, but not houses.   Lois was from Ocean City, NJ.   They 
had met in Powelton Village (a name also invented around that time) in a grand 
experiment where people of different races and backgrounds chose to live 
together.   Lois and George found that they really liked the area, and they 
wanted 
to bring others to live here who would also appreciate both its building styles 
and its progressive thinking.The plot - that is, BUSINESS PLAN - was 
Urban Developers' plan to sell Victorian houses, and the natural target market 
was 
the people who worked for the employer next door:   Penn.   But it was not a 
Penn plot.   

George and Lois were incredibly influential and successful in the area, and I 
was very flattered when they invited me to come to work with them in 1988.   
They were my role models.   They were original, progressive, independent 
thinkers - absolutely not a Penn plot.

How that's getting twisted today just shows that people who make accusations 
don't bother to go back and do their research first.   Maybe they're the ones 
who should be reading the article, for starters.

Melani Lamond




Melani Lamond, Associate Broker
Urban & Bye, Realtor
3529 Lancaster Ave.
Philadelphia, PA 19104
cell phone 215-356-7266
office phone 215-222-4800, ext. 113
office fax 215-222-1101
2006 recipient of the Greater Philadelphia Association of Realtors awards:
- Diamond award for over $8 million in sales, and
ALL SIX of the West Philadelphia awards:
- Top Lister
- Top Seller
- Top Overall Combined Volume
- Top Listing Units 

RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

"The logical flaw underlying most of these "anti-marketing" posts is to 
assume that if a name is used in some entity's marketing, therefore that

name is *only* marketing."

Hey Tony...(your above statement)

I think you are missing the entire boat here. There is no
"anti-marketing"
campaign or assumptions about marketing in general..your going too far
in the wrong direction with this stuff. (are you doing it on purpose
just to confuse the hell out of everyone?)

I find many residents of our community just have no historical
perspective.
The link to the Penn Gazette article at the very least gives you
time-lines
and transparency of the plot to market this community as a university
ghetto.

The real debate is about neighborhood names breaking free of being
labeled
as "University" owned.

I hope you all enjoy the article.

S

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony West
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:06 AM
To: UnivCity listserv
Subject: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

The logical flaw underlying most of these "anti-marketing" posts is to 
assume that if a name is used in some entity's marketing, therefore that

name is *only* marketing.  It's like saying, because the Philadelphia 
Phillies use the name "Philadelphia" in their marketing, therefore 
"Philadelphia" is a marketing tool. Or, because "The Green Line" is used
by 
a café, that means the name has "become a brand". This is true but, in
the 
context of our discussion, only in a trivial and misleading way.

As earlier posters pointed out, *all* urban names begin as marketing.
All 
cities are built, then marketed and sold. Most name changes, which are
also 
built into city life, represent somebody's effort to repackage an area.
So 
the discovery of Marketing in urban real estate names is a duh!
discovery 
that really tells us nothing.

More importantly for political purposes is whether a name catches on
with 
the public. In order words ... did the marketing work? If it did, then
it 
must have met a popular need. If it didn't ... where are the Edselvilles
of 
yesteryear?

As of 2006, "University City" is obviously being used by the public.
There 
is good evidence, in fact, that the information-seeking public (as
opposed 
to the sticker-printing public) prefers it to "West Philadelphia" as a 
community name.

The June 2006 Verizon White Pages lists 23 separate entities that use
the 
phrase "West Philadelphia" as part of their names. But only 6 of them
are 
within the generally accepted boundaries of University City (say, Spring

Garden to 42nd to Market to 52nd to the EPTA tracks to the Schuylkill).

The same edition lists 15 separate entities that use the phrase
"University 
City" as part of their names. Of these, 14 actually lie within our 
community.

Regardless of its origin, then, University City exists and is well known

today. There is no law against anybody's using it in their marketing.

-- Tony West

Wilma wrote:
>I believe the name University City was first bandied about in the early

>70's
> and not the 60's. Also Powelton Village and Sansom Village (remember 
> that?).
> It helps to have grown up here.
>
> University City has become a brand now promoted by the UCD.  This is
true.



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[UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Anthony West]

The logical flaw underlying most of these "anti-marketing" posts is to 
assume that if a name is used in some entity's marketing, therefore that 
name is *only* marketing.  It's like saying, because the Philadelphia 
Phillies use the name "Philadelphia" in their marketing, therefore 
"Philadelphia" is a marketing tool. Or, because "The Green Line" is used by 
a café, that means the name has "become a brand". This is true but, in the 
context of our discussion, only in a trivial and misleading way.


As earlier posters pointed out, *all* urban names begin as marketing. All 
cities are built, then marketed and sold. Most name changes, which are also 
built into city life, represent somebody's effort to repackage an area. So 
the discovery of Marketing in urban real estate names is a duh! discovery 
that really tells us nothing.


More importantly for political purposes is whether a name catches on with 
the public. In order words ... did the marketing work? If it did, then it 
must have met a popular need. If it didn't ... where are the Edselvilles of 
yesteryear?


As of 2006, "University City" is obviously being used by the public. There 
is good evidence, in fact, that the information-seeking public (as opposed 
to the sticker-printing public) prefers it to "West Philadelphia" as a 
community name.


The June 2006 Verizon White Pages lists 23 separate entities that use the 
phrase "West Philadelphia" as part of their names. But only 6 of them are 
within the generally accepted boundaries of University City (say, Spring 
Garden to 42nd to Market to 52nd to the EPTA tracks to the Schuylkill).


The same edition lists 15 separate entities that use the phrase "University 
City" as part of their names. Of these, 14 actually lie within our 
community.


Regardless of its origin, then, University City exists and is well known 
today. There is no law against anybody's using it in their marketing.


-- Tony West

Wilma wrote:
I believe the name University City was first bandied about in the early 
70's
and not the 60's. Also Powelton Village and Sansom Village (remember 
that?).

It helps to have grown up here.

University City has become a brand now promoted by the UCD.  This is true.




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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Anthony West]

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movementSo it is equally correct, 
then, to say, "West Philadelphia" is a marketing scheme of the Univesrity of 
Pennsylvania -- right?

-- Tony West
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  From: S. Sharrieff Ali 
  To: 'Glenn' ; 'Turner,Kathleen' ; 'Anthony West' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:07 PM
  Subject: RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement


  Under Hackney, now back on campus as a professor of history, the West 
Philadelphia Corporation became the 

  West Philadelphia Partnership and was restructured to include equal numbers 
of directors from neighborhood 

  organizations and institutions.

   

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement - with listserv praise

[Craigsolve]

 
In a message dated 4/12/2007 10:24:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

We're  descended from a race of vicious, murderous apes, we're on the eve of  
destroying the planet, and we're going to hell in a handbasket. What's your  
version? 



You're missing the bright side:
 
An elderly Muslim lady  was well known for her faith and for her willingness 
to share the teachings  of the Profit Mohamed. She would stand in front of her 
house and say "Allah be  praised" to all those who passed. 

Next door to her lived an atheist who  would get so angry at her 
proclamations, he would shout, "There ain't no Allah!  Your false Profit lied!" 

Through the grace of Allah, hard times befell  the elderly lady, and she 
prayed for Allah to send her some assistance as  she shared the Profit's 
teachings 
to maintain her faith. She would pray out  loud in her night prayer "Oh 
Allah! Please feed me! My stomach hungers for you.  Please, merciful and just 
Allah, let my tongue taste just the few  crumbs my old body needs, so I may 
continue to share the great bounty of your  blessed words!" 

One night the atheist happened to hear the old Muslim  lady as she praised 
Allah and again asked for just enough food to  share the Profit's teachings. 
Then the hard hearted atheist decided to play  a cruel prank on her. The next 
morning the Muslim lady went out on her porch and  found a large bag of 
groceries. She raised her hands and joyously cried out,  "Allah be praised!" 

The Atheist jumped from behind a bush and  snarled, "Aha! I told you there 
was no Allah. I bought those  groceries. Allah didn't." 

The old Muslim lady laughed and clapped  her hands and shouted even louder, 
"ALLAH BE PRAISED. You not only sent me  groceries, you made the devil pay for 
them, too!"

Salam,
 
Craig



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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement - Omar Blaik & UCD

[Craigsolve]

 
In a message dated 4/12/2007 12:38:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

University City isn't a  good name for this neighborhood because Omar Blaik 
made it  up.


Let me turn your farcical statement sarcastic.
 
Blaik was Rodin's community development expediter, otherwise her CPA  
bagman/hatchet-man once removed by way of her EVP John Fry.
 
It was obvious to former West Philly home-girl now psychologist  Judith 
Rodin, Philadelphia's local weak and disorganized government would  allow her 
the 
opportunity to control the  off-campus franchises for social and cultural 
drivers  in then "urban West Philly".
 
Mounting a highly visible role as President Dr. Judith Rodin, she  recast 
local economic development public policy. Her most visible public  initiative 
was 
to recast the many long Balkanized neighborhoods into a  homogeneous 
University City District.
 
Rodin inherited the venerable West Philadelphia Partnership,  which she 
viewed as an unwieldy, ineffective, and too broad-based  community development 
vehicle. She forged and launched (1996) a new  community development 
corporation, 
the UCD, using Penn's money and the tacit  approval of the significant local 
educational, medical, research, and  service institutions many of which the 
Penn Trustees were stockholders and  all of which the Penn Trustees were 
stakeholders.
 
Penn's redevelopment of public assets would initially focus on  ameliorating 
public disorder, creating greater financial incentives for home  ownership 
(thereby stimulating private market forces), and engaging in the  creation of 
model new schools thereby making the University City District  further 
attractive 
and affordable to the desired middle and  upper-middle class homeowners. It 
was anticipated such a readily  achievable plan would allow the UCD to create 
the appearance of a working  relationship with its desired single-family 
homeowners.
 
However if a transparent and open community organizing model was  intended, 
The West Philadelphia Partnership, with its strong history of  neighborhood 
groups' participation, would never have lost its Penn funding  and Penn 
leadership support.
 
Barriers of mistrust developed as Rodin dramatically underestimated  the 
intransigence of many neighborhood groups and other unrepresented  interest 
groups. Rodin was right in anticipating the support of the already  present 
homeowners, who could profit handsomely through the new order.  UCD's three (3) 
year 
plan for developing taxing powers was so slow to  develop both John Fry (2002) 
and Rodin (2004) had left for greener easier  pastures.
 
By 2006 even President Gutman recognized Blaik would never be the  successful 
champion of the UCD with taxing powers, and he and his staff were  
jettisoned, some with golden parachutes _http://www.u3ventures.com/_ 
(http://www.u3ventures.com/)  and hopefully  obfuscating the public's 
recognition of the much 
flawed UCD process.
 
In retrospect Rodin was extraordinarily brash and totally naive to  believe 
she could launch anew in three years an urban renewal plan, at  which many 
other very bright creative and talented people had toiled for over 35  years.
 
 
(In fairness to Blaik, Inquirer Architecture critic Inga Saffron, who  I 
enjoy reading, praised Blaik for both his good architectural taste and forcing  
the public entrances of Penn buildings, especially along Walnut Street, to face 
 
the city's streets not the campus' private walks.)
 
Ciao,
 
Craig




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RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Ross..I enjoy the humor on the listserv..your humor especially.
However, there is a time to finish discussions with some resolve,
not always possible, but often enough we can if we try..desire?
 
"WE COULD HAVE BEEN A CONDENDER"!
 
And I agree, this community is going to hell in a handbasket!
 
:-)
 
S
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:22 PM
To: S. Sharrieff Ali
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
 
 
On 4/12/07, S. Sharrieff Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
There are real issues here to discuss .. you know?It is a strategy
of the UC-listserv to move away 
from the truth and twist it into humor and lies.
 
Can we handle the truth about where we came from, where we are, and
where we are going?
 
S
 
We're descended from a race of vicious, murderous apes, we're on the eve
of destroying the planet, and we're going to hell in a handbasket.
What's your version? 

I'm totally intrigued by this notion of a "UC-listserv strategy", as
though this hydra-headed forum has an evil personality that delights in
humor and lies. Personally I read it for the humor, not the lies. But
dude, ascribing a wicked conspiracy to the "UC-listserv" itself goes way
beyond paranoia. I mean, I can understand dark conspiracies involving
Amy Gutmann, The Friends of Clark Park, and UCD, but man you take the
cake. 

-- 
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org 

RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Ross did you read the article or not?
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:22 PM
To: S. Sharrieff Ali
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
 
 
On 4/12/07, S. Sharrieff Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
There are real issues here to discuss .. you know?It is a strategy
of the UC-listserv to move away 
from the truth and twist it into humor and lies.
 
Can we handle the truth about where we came from, where we are, and
where we are going?
 
S
 
We're descended from a race of vicious, murderous apes, we're on the eve
of destroying the planet, and we're going to hell in a handbasket.
What's your version? 

I'm totally intrigued by this notion of a "UC-listserv strategy", as
though this hydra-headed forum has an evil personality that delights in
humor and lies. Personally I read it for the humor, not the lies. But
dude, ascribing a wicked conspiracy to the "UC-listserv" itself goes way
beyond paranoia. I mean, I can understand dark conspiracies involving
Amy Gutmann, The Friends of Clark Park, and UCD, but man you take the
cake. 

-- 
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org 

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Ross Bender]

On 4/12/07, S. Sharrieff Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



There are real issues here to discuss .. you know?   It is a strategy of
the UC-listserv to move away

from the truth and twist it into humor and lies.



Can we handle the truth about where we came from, where we are, and where
we are going?



S




We're descended from a race of vicious, murderous apes, we're on the eve of
destroying the planet, and we're going to hell in a handbasket. What's your
version?

I'm totally intrigued by this notion of a "UC-listserv strategy", as though
this hydra-headed forum has an evil personality that delights in humor and
lies. Personally I read it for the humor, not the lies. But dude, ascribing
a wicked conspiracy to the "UC-listserv" itself goes way beyond paranoia. I
mean, I can understand dark conspiracies involving Amy Gutmann, The Friends
of Clark Park, and UCD, but man you take the cake.

--
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org

RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Under Hackney, now back on campus as a professor of history, the West
Philadelphia Corporation became the 
West Philadelphia Partnership and was restructured to include equal
numbers of directors from neighborhood 
organizations and institutions.
 
 
Anything sound familiar here?  
 
I really don't think poetry is in order here, talk about a mockumentary!
 
There are real issues here to discuss .. you know?   It is a strategy of
the UC-listserv to move away 
from the truth and twist it into humor and lies.
 
Can we handle the truth about where we came from, where we are, and
where we are going?
 
S
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:14 AM
To: Turner,Kathleen; Anthony West; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
 
Come on Kathleen. Tony is not shedding light on some "terrible
controversy" about the names. As Sharrieff pointed out some time ago the
message most of us get from the stickers is more than a debate about
names. It has nothing to do with the huffing and puffing that Tony
believes trivializes the protester's underlying message. 
Go back and read Tony's posts and you will see his style attempting what
I call, obfuscation literature. It is not meant to add anything. He
pretends that some bizarre tangent contains complexities that only he
understands. The original topic or ideas of others are to be dismissed
as the views of a simpleton while Tony gets annoyed having to make the
little people understand his weird interpretations. 
Sharrieff and others were trying to openly discuss these new stickers.
Personally, I think more and more people realize that the operatives for
a powerful corporation, the University of Pennsylvania, look at our
neighborhood as a square on a monopoly board. 
Folks are recognizing that with this view our voices and rights as
citizens are being completely dismissed. These stickers remind us that
we are a community of people in the city of Philadelphia and with
simplicity rejects this objectification of our community and
neighborhood. Why do you think Penn declares that our neighborhood was
an abandoned wasteland where no one but gang members and criminals
resided? We can call that place Tony Westville for all I care.
I see the stickers as a brilliant reminder that we are a community of
people. I see these as a rejection of boundaries drawn up in the
boardroom to separate a gentrified zone from those across the border
whatever the names may be. 
If you like Tony's literature that's fine, but I wouldn't waste time
trying to make sense of his meaning.
Sincerely,
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: Turner,Kathleen <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: Anthony West <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  ;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
 
>From Tony West:
 
"University City isn't a good name for this neighborhood because Omar
Blaik
made it up. Rather, it works because it's descriptive. Three
universities in
this neighborhood make a massive demographic imprint: tens of thousands
of
residents and employees and consumers with a very distinctive profile.
So
it's an economic geographical name like "Oil City" or "Coaldale" or
"Steelton", very practical, traditionally American. Earthy. Tells it
like it
is."
 
A very quick Google search very quickly reveals communities in San
Diego, St. Louis,  and Charlotte (NC) called "University City".
Somehow, it doesn't seem to take a big stretch of the imagination that
an urban area that incorporates 3 universities would come to have that
label.  I have no problem with telling people that I live in University
City (although I'm probably close to falling off the western edge); I
also live in West Philadelphia, the larger region of the city that
contains University City, as well as Mantua, Powelton, Kingsessing, and
a lot of other neighborhoods.
 
But maybe we should call Oliver Stone in to investigate this terrible
conspiracy . . .
 
Kathleen
 
 

 

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RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Gary writes:
 
Tony is correct.
 
The first reference to "University City" of which I am aware was in  
Leon S. Rosenthal's 1963 book entitled "A History of Philadelphia's  
University City."
 
GJJ
 
WRONG!   IT WAS COINED IN THE MID 50'S  
 
 
DIDN'T ANY OF YOU READ THE POST BELOW?   DIDN'T ANYONE FOLLOW THE LINK
PROVIDED?FANTASTIC ARTICLE  
 
http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/1197/philly3.html   
 
 
In a message dated 4/2/2007 5:15:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
 
Craigsolve writes:
UNTIL THE MID-1950s, there was no University City. 
 
FROM THE ARTICLE:
 
The appellation was essentially a marketing tool, recalls Lois Bye
Funderburg, CW'48, a former realtor with Urban Developers (founded by
her husband, George Funderburg, W'57), which later became Urban & Bye. 
 
   "Philadelphia is a city of neighborhoods," she points out. "West
Philadelphia was such a huge place, and we were trying to develop a
market in these big Victorian houses around the University, to encourage
faculty to move back into a diversified neighborhood. So we decided to
designate the area University City." Its boundaries extended from the
Schuylkill River to 52nd Street, and from Haverford Avenue to the
Media-line railroad tracks south of Kingsessing Avenue -- though over
the years many have viewed it as a smaller domain. And there have been
tensions between those whose interests lay exclusively in University
City and those whose worldview encompassed the whole of West
Philadelphia.
 
" a sea of residential slums with commercial and institutional islands."
 
 
In the eyes of the University, that "sea" was becoming dangerous, as
became apparent in 1958 when a Korean graduate student named In-ho Oh
was murdered by a gang of teenagers at 36th and Hamilton Streets.)
Meyerson recommended that Penn provide leadership and funding "for
establishing an area-wide organization specifically devoted to
neighborhood improvement." 
   That was the West Philadelphia Corporation, whose founding members
were Penn, Drexel, the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science,
Presbyterian Hospital, and the Philadelphia College of Osteopathy. Its
first executive director was Leo Molinaro, who quickly concluded that a
"central research center" was needed to complement West Philadelphia's
educational and medical institutions. Thus was born the University City
Science Center, which would be built on a 23-acre tract in Urban Renewal
Unit 3, from 34th Street to 40th Street along Market.
 
But despite its original mission to "combat community deterioration,"
the Science Center has so far not provided many jobs to poor people in
the area. And in addition to 666 displaced residents -- who, with the
West Philadelphia Corporation's help, eventually found new homes but
weren't always very happy about it -- scores of buildings were torn
down.
 
The historical downside of the Science Center, in Harkavy's view, "was
the very bad relationship, or a worsening of the relationship," between
Penn and its community. "This occurred throughout the country," he adds.
"It also needs to be recognized that these were done with good
intentions."
 
Market Street was hardly the only area around Penn to taste the wrecking
ball. Woodland Avenue and part of the 3300 block of Walnut Street were
knocked down to make room for, among other things, Hill House and
Meyerson Hall. Most of Walnut Street from 34th to 38th Street, as well
as the 3600 block of Sansom, were demolished in the 1970s. And if it
hadn't been for a stiff fight led by La Terrasse's Elliott Cook, C'66,
and Judy Wicks, the 3400 block of Sansom Street would have been history,
too. The consequences of that are almost too awful to contemplate.
 
By the time Sheldon Hackney took office in 1981, he recalls, "People
still viewed the University as the operators of the bulldozers that
bulldozed the community down. So I was always looking for ways to get
that relationship onto a different footing.
Under Hackney, now back on campus as a professor of history, the West
Philadelphia Corporation became the West Philadelphia Partnership and
was restructured to include equal numbers of directors from neighborhood
organizations and institutions.
 
 
 
 

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[Wilma de Soto]

Sorry.  What I meant to say was that was when the full-fledged effort to
make the neighborhood over began during the early 70's.

Of course the "Federal Homesteader's Grants began in earnest during the late
60's, but it was very low-key.

In reference to the 1963 mention of University City, forgive me since I was
in elementary school.

What I daresay though is that in 1963, NOBODY referred to this area of West
Philadelphia as University City.  The term is one thing, but effort to
really change the neighborhood and what the neighborhood was called is quite
another.  Just because the term was mentioned then does not mean the
neighborhood was known as or considered to be University City since the
60's.



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> On Apr 12, 2007, at 7:16 AM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
> 
>> I believe the name University City was first bandied about in the
>> early 70's
>> and not the 60's.
> 
>> On 4/12/07 12:36 AM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Newcomers should note the term "University City" dates back to the
>>> 1960s...
> 
> Tony is correct.
> 
> The first reference to "University City" of which I am aware was in
> Leon S. Rosenthal's 1963 book entitled "A History of Philadelphia's
> University City."
> 
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[Gary J. Jastrzab]

On Apr 12, 2007, at 7:16 AM, Wilma de Soto wrote:

I believe the name University City was first bandied about in the  
early 70's

and not the 60's.



On 4/12/07 12:36 AM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Newcomers should note the term "University City" dates back to the  
1960s...


Tony is correct.

The first reference to "University City" of which I am aware was in  
Leon S. Rosenthal's 1963 book entitled "A History of Philadelphia's  
University City."


GJJ

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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

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Glenn wrote:
I see the stickers as a brilliant reminder that we are a community of 
people. I see these as a rejection of boundaries drawn up in the 
boardroom to separate a gentrified zone from those across the border 
whatever the names may be.



I saw a sticker the other day, and it said WAR IS WRONG. and 
I thought, this must be about the vietnam war, from the 60s, 
right? not about any war going on now. that's why the 
sticker is appearing now, I reasoned, and that's why it 
speaks to so many people today. because it's referring to 
something from the 60s.


phew.

speaking of which, my small contribution to end the vietnam 
war is working, apparently:



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University City's so grand,
Now that it is an elegant brand,
Where things once looked so glum
That they called us a slum,
We've got gentrification at hand.
 
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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Glenn]

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movementCome on Kathleen. Tony is 
not shedding light on some "terrible controversy" about the names. As Sharrieff 
pointed out some time ago the message most of us get from the stickers is more 
than a debate about names. It has nothing to do with the huffing and puffing 
that Tony believes trivializes the protester's underlying message. 

Go back and read Tony's posts and you will see his style attempting what I 
call, obfuscation literature. It is not meant to add anything. He pretends that 
some bizarre tangent contains complexities that only he understands. The 
original topic or ideas of others are to be dismissed as the views of a 
simpleton while Tony gets annoyed having to make the little people understand 
his weird interpretations. 

Sharrieff and others were trying to openly discuss these new stickers. 
Personally, I think more and more people realize that the operatives for a 
powerful corporation, the University of Pennsylvania, look at our neighborhood 
as a square on a monopoly board. 

Folks are recognizing that with this view our voices and rights as citizens are 
being completely dismissed. These stickers remind us that we are a community of 
people in the city of Philadelphia and with simplicity rejects this 
objectification of our community and neighborhood. Why do you think Penn 
declares that our neighborhood was an abandoned wasteland where no one but gang 
members and criminals resided? We can call that place Tony Westville for all I 
care.

I see the stickers as a brilliant reminder that we are a community of people. I 
see these as a rejection of boundaries drawn up in the boardroom to separate a 
gentrified zone from those across the border whatever the names may be. 

If you like Tony's literature that's fine, but I wouldn't waste time trying to 
make sense of his meaning.

Sincerely,

Glenn

  - Original Message - 
  From: Turner,Kathleen 
  To: Anthony West ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:31 AM
  Subject: RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement


  From Tony West:

  "University City isn't a good name for this neighborhood because Omar Blaik
  made it up. Rather, it works because it's descriptive. Three universities in
  this neighborhood make a massive demographic imprint: tens of thousands of
  residents and employees and consumers with a very distinctive profile. So
  it's an economic geographical name like "Oil City" or "Coaldale" or
  "Steelton", very practical, traditionally American. Earthy. Tells it like it
  is."

  A very quick Google search very quickly reveals communities in San Diego, St. 
Louis,  and Charlotte (NC) called "University City".  Somehow, it doesn't seem 
to take a big stretch of the imagination that an urban area that incorporates 3 
universities would come to have that label.  I have no problem with telling 
people that I live in University City (although I'm probably close to falling 
off the western edge); I also live in West Philadelphia, the larger region of 
the city that contains University City, as well as Mantua, Powelton, 
Kingsessing, and a lot of other neighborhoods.

  But maybe we should call Oliver Stone in to investigate this terrible 
conspiracy . . .

  Kathleen



   


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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement - fading memory

[Craigsolve]

 
In a message dated 4/12/2007 7:18:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I  believe the name University City was first bandied about in the early  70's
and not the 60's. ... It helps to have grown up  here.


Research VS the recollections of middle aged fading  memories:
 
In a message dated 4/2/2007 5:15:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Craigsolve  
writes:

UNTIL THE MID-1950s, there  was no University City. The appellation was 
essentially a marketing  tool, recalls Lois Bye Funderburg, CW'48, a former 
realtor 
with Urban  Developers (founded by her husband, George Funderburg, W'57), 
which later became Urban  & Bye. 
"Philadelphia is a city of neighborhoods,"  she points out. "West 
Philadelphia was such a huge place, and we were trying  to develop a market in 
these big 
Victorian houses around the University, to  encourage faculty to move back 
into a diversified neighborhood. So we decided  to designate the area 
University 
City." Its boundaries extended from  the Schuylkill River to 52nd Street, and 
from Haverford Avenue to the  Media-line railroad tracks south of Kingsessing 
Avenue -- though over the  years many have viewed it as a smaller domain. And 
there have been tensions  between those whose interests lay exclusively in 
University City and those  whose worldview encompassed the whole of West  
Philadelphia.
_http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/1197/philly3.html_ 
(http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/1197/philly3.html)  

The below Friday the 13th lecture has you all over it:
 
 
In a message dated 4/11/2007 3:38:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Journalist Explores Memory and Attention Failure in  Midlife
*
Cathryn Jakobson Ramin will present "Carved in Sand: When  Memory Fades 
in Midlife" on April 13 at 7:00 p.m.*

Journalist  Jakobson Ramin sets to find out what memory loss is all 
about:  scientifically, psychologically, and sociologically. This lively  
investigation of midlife memory erosion seamlessly weaves personal  
narrative and journalism, humor and empathy, everyday examples and  
scientific facts in a quest to find out what every boomer worries about:  
is it the fog of an aging brain or is something more serious going on?  
Anyone over the age of 40 is aware that memory loss can be unnerving,  
frustrating, and sometimes terrifying.

"Cathryn Jakobson Ramin  reports on her exciting ride through the science 
surrounding middle-aged  forgetfulness and distractibility," says Dr. 
Edward M. Hallowell, author  of "CrazyBusy! Overstretched, Overbooked, 
and About to Snap! Strategies  for Coping in a World Gone ADD." "An 
important read for anybody who  questions how his reliable "steel trap" 
mind turned into a sieve, or  suspects that her sudden inability to 
multitask means she is suffering  from adult ADHD.Compelling, funny as 
heck, and accessible, Cathryn's tale  of middle-aged forgetfulness,and 
her focus on finding solutions,makes this  a classic for the middle-aged 
bookshelf."

A journalist for the past  25 years, Jakobson Ramin has been published in 
the New York Times  Magazine; O, The Oprah Magazine, New York Magazine, 
and The Los Angeles  Times, among many other publications. She received 
her bachelor's degree  from Tufts University.
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RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Turner,Kathleen]

>From Tony West:
 
"University City isn't a good name for this neighborhood because Omar Blaik
made it up. Rather, it works because it's descriptive. Three universities in
this neighborhood make a massive demographic imprint: tens of thousands of
residents and employees and consumers with a very distinctive profile. So
it's an economic geographical name like "Oil City" or "Coaldale" or
"Steelton", very practical, traditionally American. Earthy. Tells it like it
is."
 
A very quick Google search very quickly reveals communities in San Diego, St. 
Louis,  and Charlotte (NC) called "University City".  Somehow, it doesn't seem 
to take a big stretch of the imagination that an urban area that incorporates 3 
universities would come to have that label.  I have no problem with telling 
people that I live in University City (although I'm probably close to falling 
off the western edge); I also live in West Philadelphia, the larger region of 
the city that contains University City, as well as Mantua, Powelton, 
Kingsessing, and a lot of other neighborhoods.
 
But maybe we should call Oliver Stone in to investigate this terrible 
conspiracy . . .
 
Kathleen
 
 

 

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Wilma de Soto]

I believe the name University City was first bandied about in the early 70's
and not the 60's. Also Powelton Village and Sansom Village (remember that?).
It helps to have grown up here.

University City has become a brand now promoted by the UCD.  This is true.


On 4/12/07 12:36 AM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Newcomers should note the term "University City" dates back to the 1960s,
> whereas UCD was spawned in the '90s. Some people can be terribly forgetful
> of facts that inconvenience an otherwise juicy argument. "University City"
> may have been somebody's marketing scheme when the name was coined, but it
> plainly was not UCD's marketing scheme ... unless UCD was able to send
> itself back in time, as if to the Big Bang Burger Bar, to "brand" its
> neighborhood in advance of its creation. But I think it lacks that kind of
> budget.
> 
> In reality, branding worked in the other direction. UCD found a
> long-established, desirable neighborhood name and sought to take advantage
> of it by "branding" itself with a winning monicker.
> 
> So UCD is now presenting itself as the Essence of University City.
> UCD-whackers have fallen for this ruse and are trying to pretend University
> City is an evil plot concocted by Penn's Board of Trustees. Both positions
> are full of hooey.
> 
> University City isn't a good name for this neighborhood because Omar Blaik
> made it up. Rather, it works because it's descriptive. Three universities in
> this neighborhood make a massive demographic imprint: tens of thousands of
> residents and employees and consumers with a very distinctive profile. So
> it's an economic geographical name like "Oil City" or "Coaldale" or
> "Steelton", very practical, traditionally American. Earthy. Tells it like it
> is.
> 
> In all sorts of other social measures, there is a clear and important
> boundary around the "University City" neighborhoods" that marks them off
> from adjacent West Philadelphia neighborhoods. Housing stock -- crime
> rate -- educational levels -- income levels ... Powelton Village differs
> from Mantua as Cedar Park does from Kingsessing. Other Philadelphians
> recognize University City neighborhoods share a commonality and they'll find
> a word to describe it even when we locals arer busy pretending it isn't
> there.
> 
> It's never wrong to use a name that tells a truth. By the same token, people
> who want you to avoid using a truthful name are asking you to be a fake, on
> some level. They want you to pretend to be something, somebody, somewhere
> you are not.
> 
> -- Tony West
> 
>> well, maybe people are just forgetful. and maybe they're missing what's
>> meant by stickers that say 'university city is a marketing scheme.' (and
>> maybe they're mixed up about what's top and what's bottom, but that's
>> understandable in a spin context :-))
>> 
>> UCD as Marketer
>> 
>>   - As part of its defined core mission, UCD has initiated tactical
>> marketing and communications efforts since its founding--including events,
>> advertising and collateral materials designed to promote University City
>> as well as UCD itself
>>  - UCD is the only organization represents the broad constituencies in
>> University City--students, residents, businesspeople--and thus must
>> continue to play an active role in shaping the future of University City
>> 
>> 
>> page 28
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>> UCD as Brand Manager
>> 
>>  - In that spirit, UCD's future role in marketing University City must be
>> larger and more proactive than it has been--bridging the gap between
>> relevant constituencies' individual efforts and ensuring that University
>> City has a unified marketing voice
>>  - Additionally and importantly, UCD must take the leading role in
>> developing, managing and expanding the University City brand--as well as
>> in merchandising University City and its unique assets to residents and
>> outsiders alike
>>  - With an aggressive UCD cajoling/guiding/pushing all of University City
>> towards this vision, our chances for success will be greatly enhanced
>>  - If not UCD, who?
>> 
>> 
>> page 29
>> 
>> UCD -- 4 Year Brand Arc Development
>> Evolving the Brand
>> 
>>   2004 "UCD has helped make University City cleaner
>>and safer"
>> 
>>   2004-5 "UCD has become much higher profile in
>>marketing the community"
>> 
>>   2006 "UCD's efforts have made University City much
>>more appealing to people like me"
>> 
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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Anthony West]

Newcomers should note the term "University City" dates back to the 1960s, 
whereas UCD was spawned in the '90s. Some people can be terribly forgetful 
of facts that inconvenience an otherwise juicy argument. "University City" 
may have been somebody's marketing scheme when the name was coined, but it 
plainly was not UCD's marketing scheme ... unless UCD was able to send 
itself back in time, as if to the Big Bang Burger Bar, to "brand" its 
neighborhood in advance of its creation. But I think it lacks that kind of 
budget.


In reality, branding worked in the other direction. UCD found a 
long-established, desirable neighborhood name and sought to take advantage 
of it by "branding" itself with a winning monicker.


So UCD is now presenting itself as the Essence of University City. 
UCD-whackers have fallen for this ruse and are trying to pretend University 
City is an evil plot concocted by Penn's Board of Trustees. Both positions 
are full of hooey.


University City isn't a good name for this neighborhood because Omar Blaik 
made it up. Rather, it works because it's descriptive. Three universities in 
this neighborhood make a massive demographic imprint: tens of thousands of 
residents and employees and consumers with a very distinctive profile. So 
it's an economic geographical name like "Oil City" or "Coaldale" or 
"Steelton", very practical, traditionally American. Earthy. Tells it like it 
is.


In all sorts of other social measures, there is a clear and important 
boundary around the "University City" neighborhoods" that marks them off 
from adjacent West Philadelphia neighborhoods. Housing stock -- crime 
rate -- educational levels -- income levels ... Powelton Village differs 
from Mantua as Cedar Park does from Kingsessing. Other Philadelphians 
recognize University City neighborhoods share a commonality and they'll find 
a word to describe it even when we locals arer busy pretending it isn't 
there.


It's never wrong to use a name that tells a truth. By the same token, people 
who want you to avoid using a truthful name are asking you to be a fake, on 
some level. They want you to pretend to be something, somebody, somewhere 
you are not.


-- Tony West

well, maybe people are just forgetful. and maybe they're missing what's 
meant by stickers that say 'university city is a marketing scheme.' (and 
maybe they're mixed up about what's top and what's bottom, but that's 
understandable in a spin context :-))


UCD as Marketer

  - As part of its defined core mission, UCD has initiated tactical 
marketing and communications efforts since its founding--including events, 
advertising and collateral materials designed to promote University City 
as well as UCD itself
 - UCD is the only organization represents the broad constituencies in 
University City--students, residents, businesspeople--and thus must 
continue to play an active role in shaping the future of University City



page 28

UCD as Brand Manager

 - In that spirit, UCD's future role in marketing University City must be 
larger and more proactive than it has been--bridging the gap between 
relevant constituencies' individual efforts and ensuring that University 
City has a unified marketing voice
 - Additionally and importantly, UCD must take the leading role in 
developing, managing and expanding the University City brand--as well as 
in merchandising University City and its unique assets to residents and 
outsiders alike
 - With an aggressive UCD cajoling/guiding/pushing all of University City 
towards this vision, our chances for success will be greatly enhanced

 - If not UCD, who?


page 29

UCD -- 4 Year Brand Arc Development
Evolving the Brand

  2004 "UCD has helped make University City cleaner
   and safer"

  2004-5 "UCD has become much higher profile in
   marketing the community"

  2006 "UCD's efforts have made University City much
   more appealing to people like me"

  2007 "UCD IS University City to me"


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Glenn wrote:
I thought I was supposed to be the crazy one?  Do these folks really 
believe that everyone is that stupid?



well, maybe people are just forgetful. and maybe they're 
missing what's meant by stickers that say 'university city 
is a marketing scheme.' (and maybe they're mixed up about 
what's top and what's bottom, but that's understandable in a 
spin context :-))



- - - - - - -

from ucd's marketing plan 2003:

page 27

UCD as Marketer

  - As part of its defined core mission, UCD has initiated 
tactical marketing and communications efforts since its 
founding--including events, advertising and collateral 
materials designed to promote University City as well as UCD 
itself
 - UCD is the only organization represents the broad 
constituencies in University City--students, residents, 
businesspeople--and thus must continue to play an active 
role in shaping the future of University City



page 28

UCD as Brand Manager

 - In that spirit, UCD's future role in marketing 
University City must be larger and more proactive than it 
has been--bridging the gap between relevant constituencies' 
individual efforts and ensuring that University City has a 
unified marketing voice
 - Additionally and importantly, UCD must take the leading 
role in developing, managing and expanding the University 
City brand--as well as in merchandising University City and 
its unique assets to residents and outsiders alike
 - With an aggressive UCD cajoling/guiding/pushing all of 
University City towards this vision, our chances for success 
will be greatly enhanced

 - If not UCD, who?


page 29

UCD -- 4 Year Brand Arc Development
Evolving the Brand

  2004 "UCD has helped make University City cleaner
   and safer"

  2004-5 "UCD has become much higher profile in
   marketing the community"

  2006 "UCD's efforts have made University City much
   more appealing to people like me"

  2007 "UCD IS University City to me"


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[Glenn]

- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement



That's probably true.

Of course, the irony is that for those of us who experience "University 
City" as a "derived bottom-up" name, being told we mustn't use the term, 
it is verboten, because "it" means terrible things even if we don't mean 
terrible things ... this sort of PC linguistic snobbery is being imposed 
top down on us.


And it's a one-sided assault. Never have I seen anybody slap prohibitions 
against calling a community "West Philadelphia" or "Walnut Hill" or 
whatever. The advocates of "University City" have never, to my knowledge, 
tried to discourage or belittle the use of other community names.


In other words, "top down" to you may be "bottom up" to me. It doesn't 
matter that Stephen Foster, for instance, wrote "Camptown Races", and did 
so with a marketing purpose; it's a folksong today. Neither does it matter 
that "University City" had an author, and that he had a marketing purpose. 
If a name survives for 40 years or more, it clearly caught the popular 
fancy at some point. Today, it's just another popularly recognized name 
and it is as legitimate as any other tag we call ourselves, or any part of 
our world, by.


-- Tony West


Its amazing to watch the growing absurdity from the UCD cheerleaders. 
Squatters are the only victims of gentrification. Dissent only comes from 
spoiled rich kids, "trustafarians," and bike messengers.


And of course, all issues are too complex for disinterested lazy little 
people. Thank you Tony, thank you FOCP.  The need for plutocracy is proven. 
Tony's the man.


Where would we be without Tony's understanding of all complexities? What's 
top down for you, is bottom up for me!  I'm glad Cassidy finally understood 
someone even if the rest of us think Tony's huffing and puffing is poorly 
crafted obfuscation literature.


I thought I was supposed to be the crazy one?  Do these folks really believe 
that everyone is that stupid?




Glenn






I agree with al and sharrieff and others about what's behind these 
stickers, this question of naming. maybe another way of putting all this 
is that it's a tension between having our identity being imposed top-down 
or derived bottom-up. (ie, it's not a question of choosing to be on a 
'side', but a question of how we see ourselves being empowered.) and this 
applies to anyone who lives here, no matter how they do that, or how long 
that's been, or how old they are.




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RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Amara..meet Ross.Ross.Amara.
 
S
 
-Original Message-
From: Ross Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:05 AM
To: S. Sharrieff Ali
Cc: Amara Rockar; Anthony West; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
 
Yo, who you calling dysfunctional? Speak for yourself. Personally I
prefer the label "hyperfunctional". Bottom line is, don't go sticking
yer labels on me. Dude.

-- 
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org/doggies.html
On 4/10/07, S. Sharrieff Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Amara, Welcome to our dysfunctional family!
 
S
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Amara Rockar
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:04 AM
To: Anthony West
Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
 
Hi everyone,
 
I just subscribed to this listserve a week or so ago. I don't know
anything about anyone but I did find it kind of funny that some of the
people posting rants on the term "University City" were doing so on the
"UnivCity" listserve. I did enjoy the history and trivia that has come
out of this though! 
 
In my experience, the few times I've told someone I live in "West
Philly" (when it wasn't just in the strictly geographic NESW sense) I
always felt like an impostor putting on airs of hipness. I'm just a
Spruce Hill-dwelling ucity dork. "University City" rings the most true
to me in in terms who I am and where I'm living right now the same way
it rings so false to others. 
 
My only other thought was that the people putting up the stickers risked
a blacklash by putting up so many . Between 42nd and 44th on Walnut
there were  at least a half dozen stickers on the north side of the
street alone. Maybe a bit much? 
 
Amara 
 
On 4/10/07, Anthony West < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: 
That's probably true.

Of course, the irony is that for those of us who experience "University 
City" as a "derived bottom-up" name, being told we mustn't use the term,
it
is verboten, because "it" means terrible things even if we don't mean
terrible things ... this sort of PC linguistic snobbery is being imposed
top 
down on us.

And it's a one-sided assault. Never have I seen anybody slap
prohibitions
against calling a community "West Philadelphia" or "Walnut Hill" or
whatever. The advocates of "University City" have never, to my
knowledge, 
tried to discourage or belittle the use of other community names.

In other words, "top down" to you may be "bottom up" to me. It doesn't
matter that Stephen Foster, for instance, wrote "Camptown Races", and
did so 
with a marketing purpose; it's a folksong today. Neither does it matter
that
"University City" had an author, and that he had a marketing purpose. If
a
name survives for 40 years or more, it clearly caught the popular fancy
at 
some point. Today, it's just another popularly recognized name and it is
as
legitimate as any other tag we call ourselves, or any part of our world,
by.

-- Tony West

> I agree with al and sharrieff and others about what's behind these 
> stickers, this question of naming. maybe another way of putting all
this
> is that it's a tension between having our identity being imposed
top-down
> or derived bottom-up. (ie, it's not a question of choosing to be on a 
> 'side', but a question of how we see ourselves being empowered.) and
this
> applies to anyone who lives here, no matter how they do that, or how
long
> that's been, or how old they are.



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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Ross Bender]

Yo, who you calling dysfunctional? Speak for yourself. Personally I prefer
the label "hyperfunctional". Bottom line is, don't go sticking yer labels on
me. Dude.

--
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org/doggies.html

On 4/10/07, S. Sharrieff Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Amara, Welcome to our dysfunctional family!



S



-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Amara Rockar
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:04 AM
*To:* Anthony West
*Cc:* UnivCity@list.purple.com
*Subject:* Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement



Hi everyone,



I just subscribed to this listserve a week or so ago. I don't know
anything about anyone but I did find it kind of funny that some of the
people posting rants on the term "University City" were doing so on the
"UnivCity" listserve. I did enjoy the history and trivia that has come out
of this though!



In my experience, the few times I've told someone I live in "West
Philly" (when it wasn't just in the strictly geographic NESW sense) I always
felt like an impostor putting on airs of hipness. I'm just a Spruce
Hill-dwelling ucity dork. "University City" rings the most true to me in in
terms who I am and where I'm living right now the same way it rings so false
to others.



My only other thought was that the people putting up the stickers risked a
blacklash by putting up so many . Between 42nd and 44th on Walnut there
were  at least a half dozen stickers on the north side of the street
alone. Maybe a bit much?



Amara


On 4/10/07, *Anthony West* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

That's probably true.

Of course, the irony is that for those of us who experience "University
City" as a "derived bottom-up" name, being told we mustn't use the term,
it
is verboten, because "it" means terrible things even if we don't mean
terrible things ... this sort of PC linguistic snobbery is being imposed
top
down on us.

And it's a one-sided assault. Never have I seen anybody slap prohibitions
against calling a community "West Philadelphia" or "Walnut Hill" or
whatever. The advocates of "University City" have never, to my knowledge,
tried to discourage or belittle the use of other community names.

In other words, "top down" to you may be "bottom up" to me. It doesn't
matter that Stephen Foster, for instance, wrote "Camptown Races", and did
so
with a marketing purpose; it's a folksong today. Neither does it matter
that
"University City" had an author, and that he had a marketing purpose. If a
name survives for 40 years or more, it clearly caught the popular fancy at

some point. Today, it's just another popularly recognized name and it is
as
legitimate as any other tag we call ourselves, or any part of our world,
by.

-- Tony West

> I agree with al and sharrieff and others about what's behind these
> stickers, this question of naming. maybe another way of putting all this
> is that it's a tension between having our identity being imposed
top-down
> or derived bottom-up. (ie, it's not a question of choosing to be on a
> 'side', but a question of how we see ourselves being empowered.) and
this
> applies to anyone who lives here, no matter how they do that, or how
long
> that's been, or how old they are.



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RE: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Amara, Welcome to our dysfunctional family!
 
S
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amara Rockar
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:04 AM
To: Anthony West
Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
 
Hi everyone,
 
I just subscribed to this listserve a week or so ago. I don't know
anything about anyone but I did find it kind of funny that some of the
people posting rants on the term "University City" were doing so on the
"UnivCity" listserve. I did enjoy the history and trivia that has come
out of this though! 
 
In my experience, the few times I've told someone I live in "West
Philly" (when it wasn't just in the strictly geographic NESW sense) I
always felt like an impostor putting on airs of hipness. I'm just a
Spruce Hill-dwelling ucity dork. "University City" rings the most true
to me in in terms who I am and where I'm living right now the same way
it rings so false to others. 
 
My only other thought was that the people putting up the stickers risked
a blacklash by putting up so many . Between 42nd and 44th on Walnut
there were  at least a half dozen stickers on the north side of the
street alone. Maybe a bit much? 
 
Amara 
 
On 4/10/07, Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: 
That's probably true.

Of course, the irony is that for those of us who experience "University 
City" as a "derived bottom-up" name, being told we mustn't use the term,
it
is verboten, because "it" means terrible things even if we don't mean
terrible things ... this sort of PC linguistic snobbery is being imposed
top 
down on us.

And it's a one-sided assault. Never have I seen anybody slap
prohibitions
against calling a community "West Philadelphia" or "Walnut Hill" or
whatever. The advocates of "University City" have never, to my
knowledge, 
tried to discourage or belittle the use of other community names.

In other words, "top down" to you may be "bottom up" to me. It doesn't
matter that Stephen Foster, for instance, wrote "Camptown Races", and
did so 
with a marketing purpose; it's a folksong today. Neither does it matter
that
"University City" had an author, and that he had a marketing purpose. If
a
name survives for 40 years or more, it clearly caught the popular fancy
at 
some point. Today, it's just another popularly recognized name and it is
as
legitimate as any other tag we call ourselves, or any part of our world,
by.

-- Tony West

> I agree with al and sharrieff and others about what's behind these 
> stickers, this question of naming. maybe another way of putting all
this
> is that it's a tension between having our identity being imposed
top-down
> or derived bottom-up. (ie, it's not a question of choosing to be on a 
> 'side', but a question of how we see ourselves being empowered.) and
this
> applies to anyone who lives here, no matter how they do that, or how
long
> that's been, or how old they are.



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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Amara Rockar]

Hi everyone,

I just subscribed to this listserve a week or so ago. I don't know anything
about anyone but I did find it kind of funny that some of the people posting
rants on the term "University City" were doing so on the "UnivCity"
listserve. I did enjoy the history and trivia that has come out of this
though!

In my experience, the few times I've told someone I live in "West
Philly" (when it wasn't just in the strictly geographic NESW sense) I always
felt like an impostor putting on airs of hipness. I'm just a Spruce
Hill-dwelling ucity dork. "University City" rings the most true to me in in
terms who I am and where I'm living right now the same way it rings so false
to others.

My only other thought was that the people putting up the stickers risked a
blacklash by putting up so many . Between 42nd and 44th on Walnut there
were  at least a half dozen stickers on the north side of the street
alone. Maybe a bit much?

Amara

On 4/10/07, Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


That's probably true.

Of course, the irony is that for those of us who experience "University
City" as a "derived bottom-up" name, being told we mustn't use the term,
it
is verboten, because "it" means terrible things even if we don't mean
terrible things ... this sort of PC linguistic snobbery is being imposed
top
down on us.

And it's a one-sided assault. Never have I seen anybody slap prohibitions
against calling a community "West Philadelphia" or "Walnut Hill" or
whatever. The advocates of "University City" have never, to my knowledge,
tried to discourage or belittle the use of other community names.

In other words, "top down" to you may be "bottom up" to me. It doesn't
matter that Stephen Foster, for instance, wrote "Camptown Races", and did
so
with a marketing purpose; it's a folksong today. Neither does it matter
that
"University City" had an author, and that he had a marketing purpose. If a
name survives for 40 years or more, it clearly caught the popular fancy at

some point. Today, it's just another popularly recognized name and it is
as
legitimate as any other tag we call ourselves, or any part of our world,
by.

-- Tony West

> I agree with al and sharrieff and others about what's behind these
> stickers, this question of naming. maybe another way of putting all this
> is that it's a tension between having our identity being imposed
top-down
> or derived bottom-up. (ie, it's not a question of choosing to be on a
> 'side', but a question of how we see ourselves being empowered.) and
this
> applies to anyone who lives here, no matter how they do that, or how
long
> that's been, or how old they are.



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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Anthony West]

That's probably true.

Of course, the irony is that for those of us who experience "University 
City" as a "derived bottom-up" name, being told we mustn't use the term, it 
is verboten, because "it" means terrible things even if we don't mean 
terrible things ... this sort of PC linguistic snobbery is being imposed top 
down on us.


And it's a one-sided assault. Never have I seen anybody slap prohibitions 
against calling a community "West Philadelphia" or "Walnut Hill" or 
whatever. The advocates of "University City" have never, to my knowledge, 
tried to discourage or belittle the use of other community names.


In other words, "top down" to you may be "bottom up" to me. It doesn't 
matter that Stephen Foster, for instance, wrote "Camptown Races", and did so 
with a marketing purpose; it's a folksong today. Neither does it matter that 
"University City" had an author, and that he had a marketing purpose. If a 
name survives for 40 years or more, it clearly caught the popular fancy at 
some point. Today, it's just another popularly recognized name and it is as 
legitimate as any other tag we call ourselves, or any part of our world, by.


-- Tony West

I agree with al and sharrieff and others about what's behind these 
stickers, this question of naming. maybe another way of putting all this 
is that it's a tension between having our identity being imposed top-down 
or derived bottom-up. (ie, it's not a question of choosing to be on a 
'side', but a question of how we see ourselves being empowered.) and this 
applies to anyone who lives here, no matter how they do that, or how long 
that's been, or how old they are.




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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Vincent/Roger wrote:

I think you can just purchase so blank stickers of just
about any size at Staples or Office Depot, and then run
them off on a home computer.  Not so much money any more



what's also thrifty about the add-on stickers is that they 
remind us, with such economy of means, of the additional 
'colonialism' reference in the big stickers, in case anyone 
missed that dimension first time around.


btw, the closest to campus I've seen the big stickers is at 
fresh grocer, facing the bridge cinema.



I agree with al and sharrieff and others about what's behind 
these stickers, this question of naming. maybe another way 
of putting all this is that it's a tension between having 
our identity being imposed top-down or derived bottom-up. 
(ie, it's not a question of choosing to be on a 'side', but 
a question of how we see ourselves being empowered.) and 
this applies to anyone who lives here, no matter how they do 
that, or how long that's been, or how old they are.


and it's why questions like this resonate so much more than, 
say, whether we call it the blue line or the el or the 
market-frankfort.



..
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
[aka laserbeam®]
[aka ray]
SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES.
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the best house. ouch.)

















































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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[SKnight]

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movementMy major point is that 
they cost money, whether the amount is $5 or $50.  The second point is that I 
am calling, "UNCLE."  I was wrong.  Your posts have shown me how and why.  
sk
  - Original Message - 
  From: Margie Politzer<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: University City listserv<mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement


Actually no.  Each 8 1/2" by 11" sheet would produce multiple stickers, 
depending on their size. The latest stickers are quite small, thus there would 
be many stickers to each sheet.

Margie



So for a hundred of those stickers, the cost would be over $35.  That's a 
lot of money for someone who glorifies poverty as a way of life.
sk




  - Original Message - 
   
  From: KAREN ALLEN <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
   
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
UnivCity@list.purple.com 
   
  Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:54 PM
   
  Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the  anti-gentrification movement
   

  True.  I have a pack of blank "Staples Sticker Paper" in  my desk drawer 
  right now.  Cost under $10 for 30  8 1/2" by 11"  sheets.


      >From: "Vincent/Roger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >Subject:  Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
  >Date: Fri, 6 Apr  2007 12:29:53 -0500
  >
  >I think you can just purchase so blank  stickers of just about any size 
at 
  >Staples or Office Depot, >and  then run them off on a home computer.  
Not so 
  >much money any more  ...
  >Roger

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Margie Politzer]

> Actually no.  Each 8 1/2² by 11² sheet would produce multiple stickers,
> depending on their size. The latest stickers are quite small, thus there would
> be many stickers to each sheet.
> 
> Margie
> 
> 
> 
> So for a hundred of those stickers, the cost would be over $35.  That's a lot
> of money for someone who glorifies poverty as a way of life.
> sk
> 
> 
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>>  
>> From: KAREN ALLEN <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
>> UnivCity@list.purple.com
>>  
>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:54 PM
>>  
>> Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the  anti-gentrification movement
>>  
>> 
>> True.  I have a pack of blank "Staples Sticker Paper" in  my desk drawer
>> right now.  Cost under $10 for 30  8 1/2" by 11"  sheets.
>> 
>> 
>>> >From: "Vincent/Roger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >Subject:  Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
>>> >Date: Fri, 6 Apr  2007 12:29:53 -0500
>>> >
>>> >I think you can just purchase so blank  stickers of just about any size at
>>> >Staples or Office Depot, >and  then run them off on a home computer.  Not
>>> so 
>>> >much money any more  ...
>>> >Roger
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[SKnight]

So for a hundred of those stickers, the cost would be over $35.  That's a lot 
of money for someone who glorifies poverty as a way of life.
sk
  - Original Message - 
  From: KAREN ALLEN<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> ; UnivCity@list.purple.com<mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com> 
  Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement


  True.  I have a pack of blank "Staples Sticker Paper" in my desk drawer 
  right now.  Cost under $10 for 30  8 1/2" by 11" sheets.


  >From: "Vincent/Roger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
  >Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
  >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:29:53 -0500
  >
  >I think you can just purchase so blank stickers of just about any size at 
  >Staples or Office Depot, >and then run them off on a home computer.  Not so 
  >much money any more ...
  >Roger

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[KAREN ALLEN]

In a message dated 4/6/2007 1:55:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have a  pack of blank "Staples Sticker Paper" in my desk drawer
right now.   Cost under $10 for 30  8 1/2" by 11" sheets.




Is this admission circumstantial evidence to your complicity in this most
despicable self-determination movement, counselor?

Ciao,

Craig



You, Sir,  obviously don't know me.  If your assertion were to be  true, I 
wouldn't even admit knowing where West Philadelphia was!




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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Craigsolve]

 
In a message dated 4/6/2007 1:55:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have a  pack of blank "Staples Sticker Paper" in my desk drawer 
right now.   Cost under $10 for 30  8 1/2" by 11" sheets.



Is this admission circumstantial evidence to your complicity in this most  
despicable self-determination movement, counselor?
 
Ciao,
 
Craig



** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[KAREN ALLEN]

True.  I have a pack of blank "Staples Sticker Paper" in my desk drawer 
right now.  Cost under $10 for 30  8 1/2" by 11" sheets.




From: "Vincent/Roger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:29:53 -0500

I think you can just purchase so blank stickers of just about any size at 
Staples or Office Depot, >and then run them off on a home computer.  Not so 
much money any more ...

Roger




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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[SKnight]

New voice in the anti-gentrification movementFunny thing is...the people are 
usually the same, though, no matter the times.  They were a bit one-dimensional 
then, probably no different now.  
sk
  - Original Message - 
  From: Vincent/Roger<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: SKnight<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; Kyle Cassidy<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> ; UnivCity@list.purple.com<mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com> 
  Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement


  Sande, et. al. --
  I think you can just purchase so blank stickers of just about any size at 
Staples or Office Depot, and then run them off on a home computer.  Not so much 
money any more ...
  Roger
- Original Message - 
From: SKnight<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: Kyle Cassidy<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; 
UnivCity@list.purple.com<mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:14 AM
    Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement


It cost a lot of money to have stickers like that made.  Groups like that 
calling themselves "grass-roots" and "of the people" give me a pain - a 
plaster-saint pain.
sk

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[SKnight]

New voice in the anti-gentrification movementAh well, perhaps it is not my age, 
but my lack of "grass-roots" activity that is showing!!!  Can you imagine   
I remember the days when activists used mimeograph machines!
sk



- Original Message - 
  From: Vincent/Roger<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: SKnight<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; Kyle Cassidy<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> ; UnivCity@list.purple.com<mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com> 
  Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement


  Sande, et. al. --
  I think you can just purchase so blank stickers of just about any size at 
Staples or Office Depot, and then run them off on a home computer.  Not so much 
money any more ...
  Roger
- Original Message - 
From: SKnight<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: Kyle Cassidy<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; 
UnivCity@list.purple.com<mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement


It cost a lot of money to have stickers like that made.  Groups like that 
calling themselves "grass-roots" and "of the people" give me a pain - a 
plaster-saint pain.
sk

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Vincent/Roger]

New voice in the anti-gentrification movementSande, et. al. --
I think you can just purchase so blank stickers of just about any size at 
Staples or Office Depot, and then run them off on a home computer.  Not so much 
money any more ...
Roger
  - Original Message - 
  From: SKnight 
  To: Kyle Cassidy ; UnivCity@list.purple.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement


  It cost a lot of money to have stickers like that made.  Groups like that 
calling themselves "grass-roots" and "of the people" give me a pain - a 
plaster-saint pain.
  sk

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[SKnight]

New voice in the anti-gentrification movementIt cost a lot of money to have 
stickers like that made.  Groups like that calling themselves "grass-roots" and 
"of the people" give me a pain - a plaster-saint pain.
sk
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kyle Cassidy<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: Frank<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; 
UnivCity@list.purple.com<mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:23 PM
  Subject: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement




  It seems that now there's a new group riled at the rich folk who moved in and 
priced everything out of reach; and they definately have a point. I noticed 
this afternoon that these have started popping up:

  
http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/westphilly.jpg<http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/westphilly.jpg>

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Jim Cummings]

logical argument. I barely know what dialectical means, so don't look too deep.

On 4/6/07, Mario Giorno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jim,

 Do you mean a progression of linguistic dialect or the progression of
logical argument?


Mario Giorno


On 4/6/07, Jim Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Its dialectical progression.
> Jim
>
> On 4/6/07, Margie Politzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > That's perfect. I love it.
> >
> >
> >  It seems that now there's a new group riled at the rich folk who moved
in
> > and priced everything out of reach; and they definately have a point. I
> > noticed this afternoon that these have started popping up:
> >
> >
http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/westphilly.jpg
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jim Cummings
> 
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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Mario Giorno]

Jim,

Do you mean a progression of linguistic dialect or the progression of
logical argument?


Mario Giorno

On 4/6/07, Jim Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Its dialectical progression.
Jim

On 4/6/07, Margie Politzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> That's perfect. I love it.
>
>
>  It seems that now there's a new group riled at the rich folk who moved
in
> and priced everything out of reach; and they definately have a point. I
> noticed this afternoon that these have started popping up:
>
>  http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/westphilly.jpg
>
>
>


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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Jim Cummings]

Its dialectical progression.
Jim

On 4/6/07, Margie Politzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



That's perfect. I love it.


 It seems that now there's a new group riled at the rich folk who moved in
and priced everything out of reach; and they definately have a point. I
noticed this afternoon that these have started popping up:

 http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/westphilly.jpg






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Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Margie Politzer]

> That¹s perfect. I love it.
> 
> 
> It seems that now there's a new group riled at the rich folk who moved in and
> priced everything out of reach; and they definately have a point. I noticed
> this afternoon that these have started popping up:
> 
> http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/westphilly.jpg
> 

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Ross Bender]

On 4/5/07, Kyle Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



It seems that now there's a new group riled at the rich folk who moved in
and priced everything out of reach; and they definately have a point. I
noticed this afternoon that these have started popping up:

http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/westphilly.jpg



In the Lenape language, "Manayunk" means "the place where we go to drink."

--
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org

Re: [UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Cindy Miller]

I want one of these too.


-cm



On Thursday, April 5, 2007, at 06:23 PM, Kyle Cassidy wrote:




It seems that now there's a new group riled at the rich folk who moved 
in and priced everything out of reach; and they definately have a 
point. I noticed this afternoon that these have started popping up:


http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/westphilly.jpg

[UC] New voice in the anti-gentrification movement

[Kyle Cassidy]

It seems that now there's a new group riled at the rich folk who moved in and 
priced everything out of reach; and they definately have a point. I noticed 
this afternoon that these have started popping up:

http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/temp/westphilly.jpg