[UC] RE: Attempted Assault/ Robbery on 4800 Beaumont

[John Ellingsworth]

A little more information about the recent incident on 48th & Beaumont ...

Keep your eyes and ears open, folks.  It's getting hot in the city.


 Original Message 
Subject: [deleted]
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:24:41 -0400
From: [deleted]
To: [deleted]

Dear neighbors,

I just got this email from one of my students, whose husband was the
person who was attacked last night at 48th & Beaumont.  He was scared
and kept running and so didn't realize that neighbors had intervened to
help.  After he made it home, they tried calling both the local police
station and the Penn police, but didn't get any help, though they didn't
call 911 (which they now wished they had done).  They are both very
grateful to you, Joe, and to others who saw what happened and gave a report.

[deleted]

 Original Message 
Subject:neighborhood news
Date:   Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:33:41 -0400
From:   [deleted]
To: [deleted]


Dear [deleted],

I think I should share with you what happened to my husband last night. 
He was
walking on 48th St. at 11 pm (late home from work) and right where 48th 
meets

Beaumont he was attacked by three young men. He managed to escape them, but
they threw a rock at him and he was a little scraped up where it hit him. He
ran down Beaumont yelling for help, but no one helped. When he hit 49th St.,
there were some people walking on the sidewalk and the guys stopped chasing
him. He made it safely to our house.

There has been a warning about such incidents around campus from the Penn
police, but we didn't know it was happening so close to home, too. I 
doubt you

go out at 11 pm at night, but after dark you may just want to exercise a bit
more caution. Anyway, the guys didn't seem to have guns, fortunately.

Well, I just wanted to give you a heads-up. I'm sure you are 
well-acclimated to

city life, so you won't be too worried. But do take care!




--
Regards,

John Ellingsworth

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Re: [UC] RE: Attempted Assault/ Robbery on 4800 Beaumont

[Elizabeth F Campion]

As long as we don't make the mistake of thinking any place is "Safe".
It is easy to note stuff close to home, but...
... a similar scenario just led to the death of a 69 year old man steps
from his home, not near us, and
... a 14 year old was shot to death by an 18 year old road rager who
couldn't handle the delay of a bicycler in the street, not near us, and
... a female McDonald's worker was shot to death in the takeout window of
her Suburban drive-thru.
When the grass begins to look greener on the other side of the fence, it
might be good to make sure the lawns are not on some cancer inducing
chemical feeding schedule.

We should all be aware of 
our own safety and that of those we cherish, in
all of our environments (sidewalks, autos, homes and workplaces) 

I've mourned to many losses, of self and even neighbors (including
property, pets, innocence or death) whether from
crime
malice
accident
divorce
natural causes
smoking or
drunk driving (by themselves, family members or strangers)
etc.

I guess the trick is to be safe without the complete sacrifice of
pleasure.

Liz

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:50:38 -0400 John Ellingsworth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Keep your eyes and ears open, folks.  It's getting hot in the city.

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Re: [UC] RE: Attempted Assault/ Robbery on 4800 Beaumont

[Wilma de Soto]

That 18 year-old who shot the 14 year-old on the bike was a former student
at my school.

This is the second incident involving former students of mine in the last
few months.

Two Cambodian women were stabbed to death in their Seventh St. apartment in
April by one of our kids.  THAT surprised me because he was a good kid.  He
was also going to college and had a good job as well to support his
education.

The one who shot the kid on the bike, well... I could see he was on his way
to Palookaville back then.  He was not, shall we say the smartest person I
ever knew.  

In fact, I always thought he wouldn't have been able to pour water out of a
boot if the instructions were on the heel!

It's too bad!

Wilma


On 7/20/07 12:12 AM, "Elizabeth F Campion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> As long as we don't make the mistake of thinking any place is "Safe".
> It is easy to note stuff close to home, but...
> ... a similar scenario just led to the death of a 69 year old man steps
> from his home, not near us, and
> ... a 14 year old was shot to death by an 18 year old road rager who
> couldn't handle the delay of a bicycler in the street, not near us, and
> ... a female McDonald's worker was shot to death in the takeout window of
> her Suburban drive-thru.
> When the grass begins to look greener on the other side of the fence, it
> might be good to make sure the lawns are not on some cancer inducing
> chemical feeding schedule.
> 
> We should all be aware of
> our own safety and that of those we cherish, in
> all of our environments (sidewalks, autos, homes and workplaces)
> 
> I've mourned to many losses, of self and even neighbors (including
> property, pets, innocence or death) whether from
> crime
> malice
> accident
> divorce
> natural causes
> smoking or
> drunk driving (by themselves, family members or strangers)
> etc.
> 
> I guess the trick is to be safe without the complete sacrifice of
> pleasure.
> 
> Liz
> 
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:50:38 -0400 John Ellingsworth
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
>> Keep your eyes and ears open, folks.  It's getting hot in the city.
> 
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Re: [UC] RE: Attempted Assault/ Robbery on 4800 Beaumont

[Anthony West]

That is so sad, Wilma.

-- Tony West

Wilma de Soto wrote:

That 18 year-old who shot the 14 year-old on the bike was a former student
at my school.

This is the second incident involving former students of mine in the last
few months.
  





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Re: [UC] RE: Attempted Assault/ Robbery on 4800 Beaumont

[Wilma de Soto]

Yes, It's sad.

However, the worst is yet to come.

Adults must realize that at least the past two generations have been
socialized to be violent.

First of all, children are naturally self-centered, cruel, mean and violent.

People like us had people who were called adults, whose job was to teach
restraint of the primordial childish urges and teach them to be productive
citizens into the society into which they were born.

Instead of preparing the child for the world, they are trying to change the
world for their child.

Children are now born perfect.  Their parents dictate to camp counselor,
futbol coaches, dance instructors, school teachers etc.

No wonder children have no social decorum.


On 7/20/07 5:36 PM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That is so sad, Wilma.
> 
> -- Tony West
> 
> Wilma de Soto wrote:
>> That 18 year-old who shot the 14 year-old on the bike was a former student
>> at my school.
>> 
>> This is the second incident involving former students of mine in the last
>> few months.
>>   
>> 
> 
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Re: [UC] RE: Attempted Assault/ Robbery on 4800 Beaumont

[Cindy Miller]

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On Friday, July 20, 2007, at 07:13 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:

First of all, children are naturally self-centered, cruel, mean and 
violent.






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Re: [UC] RE: Attempted Assault/ Robbery on 4800 Beaumont

[Frank]

Thanks for saying this, Wilma. In my opinion, this can't be stressed  
enough. It's been so obvious to me for so long that I can't believe  
everyone can't see it. It deeply scares me. Bill Maher always says  
that parents today make the huge mistake of trying to be their  
children's friends instead of their parents. He's so right.


Frank

On Jul 20, 2007, at 07:13 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:


Yes, It's sad.

However, the worst is yet to come.

Adults must realize that at least the past two generations have been
socialized to be violent.

First of all, children are naturally self-centered, cruel, mean and  
violent.


People like us had people who were called adults, whose job was to  
teach
restraint of the primordial childish urges and teach them to be  
productive

citizens into the society into which they were born.

Instead of preparing the child for the world, they are trying to  
change the

world for their child.

Children are now born perfect.  Their parents dictate to camp  
counselor,

futbol coaches, dance instructors, school teachers etc.

No wonder children have no social decorum.


On 7/20/07 5:36 PM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


That is so sad, Wilma.

-- Tony West

Wilma de Soto wrote:
That 18 year-old who shot the 14 year-old on the bike was a  
former student

at my school.

This is the second incident involving former students of mine in  
the last

few months.






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Re: [UC] RE: Attempted Assault/ Robbery on 4800 Beaumont

[Wilma de Soto]

I have been working with kids a long time.  Kids accost me all the time.

By that I mean I could be sitting in a restaurant and a toddler I have never
met will leave their parents' table and come over to me totally unbidden,
arms outstretched.  If they are able to talk, they do. It happens in grocery
stores, malls and I have never been able figure out why.  It's weird and has
always amused friends or family who may be with me at the time.

The irony is when I impose limits and standards for behavior, school work
etc., they grumble and groan at first, but later they LIKE it.

They are free to concentrate on being a child with me because there is a
consistent adult presence they can trust.  They don't have to act like a
shrunken adult, something they don't handle very well anyway.

They come before school because I need help.  They eat lunch in my room
because I need help.  They stay after school because I need help.  I am the
most helpless person in the world and that's why they have to hang around.
At least that's THEIR story.  I know they just want to hang around with
someone they trust before going home to who-knows-what, so I let them "help"
me.

Sometimes, they'll ask me the same question two or three times just to check
if the answer is still no.  When I stick to my guns, they smile and say
"OK."  It's like they're just checking.

Children just don't think the way adults do or process the world as we do.
There are only certain things they can handle at certain stages of their
development, allowing of course for some children who are ahead for their
age or behind.

Still, they are not adults.  We are.


On 7/22/07 8:28 AM, "Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks for saying this, Wilma. In my opinion, this can't be stressed
> enough. It's been so obvious to me for so long that I can't believe
> everyone can't see it. It deeply scares me. Bill Maher always says
> that parents today make the huge mistake of trying to be their
> children's friends instead of their parents. He's so right.
> 
> Frank
> 
> On Jul 20, 2007, at 07:13 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
> 
>> Yes, It's sad.
>> 
>> However, the worst is yet to come.
>> 
>> Adults must realize that at least the past two generations have been
>> socialized to be violent.
>> 
>> First of all, children are naturally self-centered, cruel, mean and
>> violent.
>> 
>> People like us had people who were called adults, whose job was to
>> teach
>> restraint of the primordial childish urges and teach them to be
>> productive
>> citizens into the society into which they were born.
>> 
>> Instead of preparing the child for the world, they are trying to
>> change the
>> world for their child.
>> 
>> Children are now born perfect.  Their parents dictate to camp
>> counselor,
>> futbol coaches, dance instructors, school teachers etc.
>> 
>> No wonder children have no social decorum.
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/20/07 5:36 PM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> That is so sad, Wilma.
>>> 
>>> -- Tony West
>>> 
>>> Wilma de Soto wrote:
 That 18 year-old who shot the 14 year-old on the bike was a
 former student
 at my school.
 
 This is the second incident involving former students of mine in
 the last
 few months.
 
 
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Re: [UC] RE: Attempted Assault/ Robbery on 4800 Beaumont

[Frank]

This is interesting from WaPo: Brain Immaturity Could Explain Teen  
Crash Rate


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52687-2005Jan31.html

I also can't stand being assaulted in public by other people's  
supposedly "cute" kids. Either in a restaurant, at an ATM or bouncing  
beach balls through a supermarket. The world is not everyone's living  
room as Jillian Ashley Blair Ivey of Phillist, formerly of the Penn  
Writers House, seems to think ir is.  She likes to talk during movies  
at The Ritz.

http://phillyist.com/2007/06/22/return_to_sende_81.php

Frank

On Jul 22, 2007, at 09:15 AM, Wilma de Soto wrote:

I have been working with kids a long time.  Kids accost me all the  
time.


By that I mean I could be sitting in a restaurant and a toddler I  
have never
met will leave their parents' table and come over to me totally  
unbidden,
arms outstretched.  If they are able to talk, they do. It happens  
in grocery
stores, malls and I have never been able figure out why.  It's  
weird and has

always amused friends or family who may be with me at the time.

The irony is when I impose limits and standards for behavior,  
school work

etc., they grumble and groan at first, but later they LIKE it.

They are free to concentrate on being a child with me because there  
is a
consistent adult presence they can trust.  They don't have to act  
like a

shrunken adult, something they don't handle very well anyway.

They come before school because I need help.  They eat lunch in my  
room
because I need help.  They stay after school because I need help.   
I am the
most helpless person in the world and that's why they have to hang  
around.
At least that's THEIR story.  I know they just want to hang around  
with
someone they trust before going home to who-knows-what, so I let  
them "help"

me.

Sometimes, they'll ask me the same question two or three times just  
to check
if the answer is still no.  When I stick to my guns, they smile and  
say

"OK."  It's like they're just checking.

Children just don't think the way adults do or process the world as  
we do.
There are only certain things they can handle at certain stages of  
their
development, allowing of course for some children who are ahead for  
their

age or behind.

Still, they are not adults.  We are.


On 7/22/07 8:28 AM, "Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks for saying this, Wilma. In my opinion, this can't be stressed
enough. It's been so obvious to me for so long that I can't believe
everyone can't see it. It deeply scares me. Bill Maher always says
that parents today make the huge mistake of trying to be their
children's friends instead of their parents. He's so right.

Frank

On Jul 20, 2007, at 07:13 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:


Yes, It's sad.

However, the worst is yet to come.

Adults must realize that at least the past two generations have been
socialized to be violent.

First of all, children are naturally self-centered, cruel, mean and
violent.

People like us had people who were called adults, whose job was to
teach
restraint of the primordial childish urges and teach them to be
productive
citizens into the society into which they were born.

Instead of preparing the child for the world, they are trying to
change the
world for their child.

Children are now born perfect.  Their parents dictate to camp
counselor,
futbol coaches, dance instructors, school teachers etc.

No wonder children have no social decorum.


On 7/20/07 5:36 PM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



That is so sad, Wilma.

-- Tony West

Wilma de Soto wrote:

That 18 year-old who shot the 14 year-old on the bike was a
former student
at my school.

This is the second incident involving former students of mine in
the last
few months.






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Re: [UC] RE: Attempted Assault/ Robbery on 4800 Beaumont

[Wilma de Soto]

That Post Article is interesting.

They've gathered scientific evidence to prove something that parents
throughout time have always known.

On 7/22/07 1:49 PM, "Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is interesting from WaPo: Brain Immaturity Could Explain Teen
> Crash Rate
> 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52687-2005Jan31.html
> 
> I also can't stand being assaulted in public by other people's
> supposedly "cute" kids. Either in a restaurant, at an ATM or bouncing
> beach balls through a supermarket. The world is not everyone's living
> room as Jillian Ashley Blair Ivey of Phillist, formerly of the Penn
> Writers House, seems to think ir is.  She likes to talk during movies
> at The Ritz.
> http://phillyist.com/2007/06/22/return_to_sende_81.php
> 
> Frank
> 
> On Jul 22, 2007, at 09:15 AM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
> 
>> I have been working with kids a long time.  Kids accost me all the
>> time.
>> 
>> By that I mean I could be sitting in a restaurant and a toddler I
>> have never
>> met will leave their parents' table and come over to me totally
>> unbidden,
>> arms outstretched.  If they are able to talk, they do. It happens
>> in grocery
>> stores, malls and I have never been able figure out why.  It's
>> weird and has
>> always amused friends or family who may be with me at the time.
>> 
>> The irony is when I impose limits and standards for behavior,
>> school work
>> etc., they grumble and groan at first, but later they LIKE it.
>> 
>> They are free to concentrate on being a child with me because there
>> is a
>> consistent adult presence they can trust.  They don't have to act
>> like a
>> shrunken adult, something they don't handle very well anyway.
>> 
>> They come before school because I need help.  They eat lunch in my
>> room
>> because I need help.  They stay after school because I need help.
>> I am the
>> most helpless person in the world and that's why they have to hang
>> around.
>> At least that's THEIR story.  I know they just want to hang around
>> with
>> someone they trust before going home to who-knows-what, so I let
>> them "help"
>> me.
>> 
>> Sometimes, they'll ask me the same question two or three times just
>> to check
>> if the answer is still no.  When I stick to my guns, they smile and
>> say
>> "OK."  It's like they're just checking.
>> 
>> Children just don't think the way adults do or process the world as
>> we do.
>> There are only certain things they can handle at certain stages of
>> their
>> development, allowing of course for some children who are ahead for
>> their
>> age or behind.
>> 
>> Still, they are not adults.  We are.
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/22/07 8:28 AM, "Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for saying this, Wilma. In my opinion, this can't be stressed
>>> enough. It's been so obvious to me for so long that I can't believe
>>> everyone can't see it. It deeply scares me. Bill Maher always says
>>> that parents today make the huge mistake of trying to be their
>>> children's friends instead of their parents. He's so right.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2007, at 07:13 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, It's sad.
 
 However, the worst is yet to come.
 
 Adults must realize that at least the past two generations have been
 socialized to be violent.
 
 First of all, children are naturally self-centered, cruel, mean and
 violent.
 
 People like us had people who were called adults, whose job was to
 teach
 restraint of the primordial childish urges and teach them to be
 productive
 citizens into the society into which they were born.
 
 Instead of preparing the child for the world, they are trying to
 change the
 world for their child.
 
 Children are now born perfect.  Their parents dictate to camp
 counselor,
 futbol coaches, dance instructors, school teachers etc.
 
 No wonder children have no social decorum.
 
 
 On 7/20/07 5:36 PM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:
 
> That is so sad, Wilma.
> 
> -- Tony West
> 
> Wilma de Soto wrote:
>> That 18 year-old who shot the 14 year-old on the bike was a
>> former student
>> at my school.
>> 
>> This is the second incident involving former students of mine in
>> the last
>> few months.
>> 
>> 
> 
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