[UC] keu's painting

[marvin brown]

Keu's painting: 

I was refered to Keu's painting and he did two jobs for me.  I do alot 
of painting myself so it gives me a good idea of what needs to be done.  
He came in with a high estimate, but I was willing to pay to have a good 
prep job done.

I hired him to do the interior of a house for trim only.  He assured me 
that he would do all the prep work.  Fortunately  the trim was in 
excellent condition for a 125 year old house, but there were nails to 
remove and small sanding.

Keu only applied caulk and painted over the trim.  He did not remove one 
nail.  His prices are
very high for what he does and I expected a good job.   We discussed 
this job many times,
but he didn't come through.  As I finished the painting of the house I 
could see all the many things that he missed in the house.  It was a 
2,000.00 job for trim only and he didn't come through.

At first glance it looked great, but the real work was a 600.00 to 800 
job.   I would never
employ him again.  What a great disappointment.

Marvin Brown

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[UC] Keu's painting

[marvin brown]

Keu's painting:
On my job, he didn't even come with a sander or sandpaper!!!  Three or 
four extra hours of work would have made a professional job.   Three 
times he ran out of caulk and I had to go and buy it for him.I don't 
mind helping, but at professional prices one should get professional 
service.

Marvin

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Re: [UC] keu's painting

[Samuel Nicolary]

Title: Re: [UC] keu's painting






Though it seems like he has good customer service skills I agree that from what I have seen of his work - the quality of the job doesn't match what he charges.

I think that between his personality, the inability for most people to judge the quality of his work due to lack of experience and exposure, that people tend to brush off considerations of quality vs. cost in lieu of just getting the work done and how some quick patching and a fresh coat of paint - no matter how skillfully or unskillfully applied - generally looks better than the previous state, that Keu has a nice little business on his hands.

Quality work includes, at the very least, sharp corners and edges, smooth-surfaced woodwork without nailheads or divots and clean straight lines between color transitions and moulding.  From the single job of his I have seen - these qualities were missing largely from the work.  If the cost had been 1/2 or 3/4 of what he charged for it I wouldn't have been as critically minded.  I have seen more professional work done in more affluent neighborhoods on similar jobs for less money. Either those painters were under charging or Keu is over charging. I tend to think the latter case is true.


--
Sam Nicolary

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Keu's painting:

I was refered to Keu's painting and he did two jobs for me.  I do alot
of painting myself so it gives me a good idea of what needs to be done. 
He came in with a high estimate, but I was willing to pay to have a good
prep job done.

I hired him to do the interior of a house for trim only.  He assured me
that he would do all the prep work.  Fortunately  the trim was in
excellent condition for a 125 year old house, but there were nails to
remove and small sanding.

Keu only applied caulk and painted over the trim.  He did not remove one
nail.  His prices are
very high for what he does and I expected a good job.   We discussed
this job many times,
but he didn't come through.  As I finished the painting of the house I
could see all the many things that he missed in the house.  It was a
2,000.00 job for trim only and he didn't come through.

At first glance it looked great, but the real work was a 600.00 to 800
job.   I would never
employ him again.  What a great disappointment.

Marvin Brown



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Re: [UC] keu's painting

[L a s e r B e a m]

Samuel Nicolary wrote:
Though it seems like he has good customer service skills I agree that 
from what I have seen of his work - the quality of the job doesn't match 
what he charges.

I think that between his personality, the inability for most people to 
judge the quality of his work due to lack of experience and exposure, 
that people tend to brush off considerations of quality vs. cost in lieu 
of just getting the work done and how some quick patching and a fresh 
coat of paint - no matter how skillfully or unskillfully applied - 
generally looks better than the previous state, that Keu has a nice 
little business on his hands.

Quality work includes, at the very least, sharp corners and edges, 
smooth-surfaced woodwork without nailheads or divots and clean straight 
lines between color transitions and moulding.  From the single job of 
his I have seen - these qualities were missing largely from the work.  
If the cost had been 1/2 or 3/4 of what he charged for it I wouldn't 
have been as critically minded.  I have seen more professional work done 
in more affluent neighborhoods on similar jobs for less money. Either 
those painters were under charging or Keu is over charging. I tend to 
think the latter case is true.

Andrew Diller wrote:
Yes, you really need to insist and get the best paint that you can get, 
which by all accounts, in Benjamin Moore.

Some tips:
- all trim should have oil based primer and oil paint
- use the best quality paint that you can buy. It's only a few dollars 
more per gallon

Keu did a great job on my house, and I had the chance to see many other 
of his jobs-- as I take the pictures for his web site.

He is very aware of the language barrier, and takes great pains to try 
and explain exactly what he is going to do.

He didn't do a -restorative- paint job on my house, and I didn't pay him 
for one--- everything is not 'perfect.' I paid him to scrape and make it 
nice, and put on a good primer and patch cracks.

His work was exactly what I was looking for, and I've had to problems so 
far with any of the paint that he has applied.

I plan to have him do my exterior and the rest of my 3rd floor this year.
-andy diller


Marvin Brown wrote:
Keu's painting:
I was refered to Keu's painting and he did two jobs for me.  I do alot
of painting myself so it gives me a good idea of what needs to be done. 
He came in with a high estimate, but I was willing to pay to have a good
prep job done.

I hired him to do the interior of a house for trim only.  He assured me
that he would do all the prep work.  Fortunately  the trim was in
excellent condition for a 125 year old house, but there were nails to
remove and small sanding.
Keu only applied caulk and painted over the trim.  He did not remove one
nail.  His prices are
very high for what he does and I expected a good job.   We discussed
this job many times,
but he didn't come through.  As I finished the painting of the house I
could see all the many things that he missed in the house.  It was a
2,000.00 job for trim only and he didn't come through.
At first glance it looked great, but the real work was a 600.00 to 800
job.   I would never
employ him again.  What a great disappointment.


it's like keu's painting is this year's abbraccio.

.
laserbeam
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Re: [UC] keu's painting

[Andrew Diller]

--On Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:06 PM -0400 L a s e r B e a m
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> it's like keu's painting is this year's abbraccio.
> 
> 

yes, in both cases, Sam Nicolary is a hater.


Hate Hate Hate Hate


-andy diller

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RE: [UC] keu's painting

[Dubin, Elisabeth]

At the risk of making the UClist posting stats page, I will respond to what Samuel 
wrote with the following:

When someone has two or three guys additional guys (and himself) at your house for ten 
days and charges you $4750, you get the following:

estimate of cost of paint, caulk, and other supplies (not counting tools and ladders): 
 $250
the remaining $4500/3 = $1500 per person

That means that at most, Keu probably kept $2000 max for himself if he paid himself 
more than his helpers.  So for ten days, he made $200/day not counting any taxes he 
might or might not pay out of that.  THIS DOES NOT COUNT WHATEVER INSURANCE HE HAS OR 
ANY OTHER OVERHEAD.

How much do you all make a day?  I'd pay him that much to do what I think is a great 
job.  I am defending him because I have dealt with people far less competent and 
pleasant than himself in the past.  If everyone I worked with on my house was like 
him, it would be a good thing. I had no problem with the language barrier, his English 
is really very good.

* fin *



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Samuel Nicolary wrote:
> Though it seems like he has good customer service skills I agree that 
> from what I have seen of his work - the quality of the job doesn't match 
> what he charges.
> 
> I think that between his personality, the inability for most people to 
> judge the quality of his work due to lack of experience and exposure, 
> that people tend to brush off considerations of quality vs. cost in lieu 
> of just getting the work done and how some quick patching and a fresh 
> coat of paint - no matter how skillfully or unskillfully applied - 
> generally looks better than the previous state, that Keu has a nice 
> little business on his hands.
> 
> Quality work includes, at the very least, sharp corners and edges, 
> smooth-surfaced woodwork without nailheads or divots and clean straight 
> lines between color transitions and moulding.  From the single job of 
> his I have seen - these qualities were missing largely from the work.  
> If the cost had been 1/2 or 3/4 of what he charged for it I wouldn't 
> have been as critically minded.  I have seen more professional work done 
> in more affluent neighborhoods on similar jobs for less money. Either 
> those painters were under charging or Keu is over charging. I tend to 
> think the latter case is true.



Andrew Diller wrote:
>> Yes, you really need to insist and get the best paint that you can get, 
>> which by all accounts, in Benjamin Moore.
>> 
>> Some tips:
>> 
>> - all trim should have oil based primer and oil paint
>> - use the best quality paint that you can buy. It's only a few dollars 
>> more per gallon
>> 
>> Keu did a great job on my house, and I had the chance to see many other 
>> of his jobs-- as I take the pictures for his web site.
>> 
>> He is very aware of the language barrier, and takes great pains to try 
>> and explain exactly what he is going to do.
>> 
>> He didn't do a -restorative- paint job on my house, and I didn't pay him 
>> for one--- everything is not 'perfect.' I paid him to scrape and make it 
>> nice, and put on a good primer and patch cracks.
>> 
>> His work was exactly what I was looking for, and I've had to problems so 
>> far with any of the paint that he has applied.
>> 
>> I plan to have him do my exterior and the rest of my 3rd floor this year.
>> 
>> -andy diller




Marvin Brown wrote:
> 
> Keu's painting:
> 
> I was refered to Keu's painting and he did two jobs for me.  I do alot
> of painting myself so it gives me a good idea of what needs to be done. 
> He came in with a high estimate, but I was willing to pay to have a good
> prep job done.
> 
> I hired him to do the interior of a house for trim only.  He assured me
> that he would do all the prep work.  Fortunately  the trim was in
> excellent condition for a 125 year old house, but there were nails to
> remove and small sanding.
> 
> Keu only applied caulk and painted over the trim.  He did not remove one
> nail.  His prices are
> very high for what he does and I expected a good job.   We discussed
> this job many times,
> but he didn't come through.  As I finished the painting of the house I
> could see all the many things that he missed in the house.  It was a
> 2,000.00 job for trim only and he didn't come through.
&g

Re: [UC] keu's painting

[Samuel Nicolary]

What can I say - quality of service is of importance to me when paying
someone else to do something for me.  Without that I might as well slap a
coat of paint on my walls myself or make myself a crappy meal.

:)

-- 
Sam Nicolary

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, L a s e r B e a m wrote:

> Samuel Nicolary wrote:
> > Though it seems like he has good customer service skills I agree that 
> > from what I have seen of his work - the quality of the job doesn't match 
> > what he charges.
> > 
> > I think that between his personality, the inability for most people to 
> > judge the quality of his work due to lack of experience and exposure, 
> > that people tend to brush off considerations of quality vs. cost in lieu 
> > of just getting the work done and how some quick patching and a fresh 
> > coat of paint - no matter how skillfully or unskillfully applied - 
> > generally looks better than the previous state, that Keu has a nice 
> > little business on his hands.
> > 
> > Quality work includes, at the very least, sharp corners and edges, 
> > smooth-surfaced woodwork without nailheads or divots and clean straight 
> > lines between color transitions and moulding.  From the single job of 
> > his I have seen - these qualities were missing largely from the work.  
> > If the cost had been 1/2 or 3/4 of what he charged for it I wouldn't 
> > have been as critically minded.  I have seen more professional work done 
> > in more affluent neighborhoods on similar jobs for less money. Either 
> > those painters were under charging or Keu is over charging. I tend to 
> > think the latter case is true.
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew Diller wrote:
> >> Yes, you really need to insist and get the best paint that you can get, 
> >> which by all accounts, in Benjamin Moore.
> >> 
> >> Some tips:
> >> 
> >> - all trim should have oil based primer and oil paint
> >> - use the best quality paint that you can buy. It's only a few dollars 
> >> more per gallon
> >> 
> >> Keu did a great job on my house, and I had the chance to see many other 
> >> of his jobs-- as I take the pictures for his web site.
> >> 
> >> He is very aware of the language barrier, and takes great pains to try 
> >> and explain exactly what he is going to do.
> >> 
> >> He didn't do a -restorative- paint job on my house, and I didn't pay him 
> >> for one--- everything is not 'perfect.' I paid him to scrape and make it 
> >> nice, and put on a good primer and patch cracks.
> >> 
> >> His work was exactly what I was looking for, and I've had to problems so 
> >> far with any of the paint that he has applied.
> >> 
> >> I plan to have him do my exterior and the rest of my 3rd floor this year.
> >> 
> >> -andy diller
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Marvin Brown wrote:
> > 
> > Keu's painting:
> > 
> > I was refered to Keu's painting and he did two jobs for me.  I do alot
> > of painting myself so it gives me a good idea of what needs to be done. 
> > He came in with a high estimate, but I was willing to pay to have a good
> > prep job done.
> > 
> > I hired him to do the interior of a house for trim only.  He assured me
> > that he would do all the prep work.  Fortunately  the trim was in
> > excellent condition for a 125 year old house, but there were nails to
> > remove and small sanding.
> > 
> > Keu only applied caulk and painted over the trim.  He did not remove one
> > nail.  His prices are
> > very high for what he does and I expected a good job.   We discussed
> > this job many times,
> > but he didn't come through.  As I finished the painting of the house I
> > could see all the many things that he missed in the house.  It was a
> > 2,000.00 job for trim only and he didn't come through.
> > 
> > At first glance it looked great, but the real work was a 600.00 to 800
> > job.   I would never
> > employ him again.  What a great disappointment.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> it's like keu's painting is this year's abbraccio.
> 
> 
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> [aka ray]
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Re: [UC] keu's painting

[L a s e r B e a m]

Andrew Diller wrote:
 
yes, in both cases, Sam Nicolary is a hater.

Hate Hate Hate Hate



Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:
At the risk of making the UClist posting stats page, I will respond to what Samuel 
wrote with the following:
When someone has two or three guys additional guys (and himself) at your house for ten 
days and charges you $4750, you get the following:
estimate of cost of paint, caulk, and other supplies (not counting tools and ladders): 
 $250
the remaining $4500/3 = $1500 per person
That means that at most, Keu probably kept $2000 max for himself if he paid himself 
more than his helpers.  So for ten days, he made $200/day not counting any taxes he 
might or might not pay out of that.  THIS DOES NOT COUNT WHATEVER INSURANCE HE HAS OR 
ANY OTHER OVERHEAD.
How much do you all make a day?  I'd pay him that much to do what I think is a great 
job.  I am defending him because I have dealt with people far less competent and 
pleasant than himself in the past.  If everyone I worked with on my house was like 
him, it would be a good thing. I had no problem with the language barrier, his English 
is really very good.
* fin *


Samuel Nicolary wrote:
What can I say - quality of service is of importance to me when paying
someone else to do something for me.  Without that I might as well slap a
coat of paint on my walls myself or make myself a crappy meal.
:)


I think we should all meet at keu's house and HUG.
.
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Re: [UC] keu's painting

[Samuel Nicolary]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Andrew Diller wrote:

> --On Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:06 PM -0400 L a s e r B e a m
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > it's like keu's painting is this year's abbraccio.
> > 
> > 
> 
> yes, in both cases, Sam Nicolary is a hater.
> 
> 
> Hate Hate Hate Hate

Hater of the acceptence and at times worship of mediocrity - yes.

-- 
Sam Nicolary


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Re: [UC] keu's painting

[Andrew Diller]

So anything that is accepted by the majority of this list is acceptable 
for your hate.

On Apr 28, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Samuel Nicolary wrote:
yes, in both cases, Sam Nicolary is a hater.
Hate Hate Hate Hate
Hater of the acceptence and at times worship of mediocrity - yes.
So now you hate Mr. Hugs?!? Cat hater.
-andy

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