Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Krfapt]

In a message dated 7/12/2011 11:19:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kimm.ty...@verizon.net writes:

In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .

_http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/_ 
(http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/)   
Elitist pretentious snobbery like this  from self-anointed sophisticates 
who think they're better than  everyone else will make the real neighborhood 
(which she hasn't noticed) into  something it isn't and many of us would 
prefer it not to be -- a quaint Potemkin  village right here on the West Bank 
of 
the Schuylkill that would impress even  Amy Gutmann and John Fry.  

-


Alan Krigman
KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts  Inc
211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918
215-349-6500, fax  215-349-6502
krf...@aol.com or  al.krig...@krf.icodat.com

RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Karen Allen]

Funny thing is that I recognize many of the people Liz is referring to (but 
don't worry, no names...)
 



Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:18:55 -0400
Subject: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
From: kimm.ty...@verizon.net
To: univcity@list.purple.com


In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .

http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/ 
  

RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Lalevic, Darco]

It's taking the bad with the good. But I certainly find it annoying and 
remarkably truthful.

From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On 
Behalf Of krf...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:05 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .



In a message dated 7/12/2011 11:19:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
kimm.ty...@verizon.net<mailto:kimm.ty...@verizon.net> writes:
In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .

http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/
Elitist pretentious snobbery like this from self-anointed sophisticates who 
think they're better than everyone else will make the real neighborhood (which 
she hasn't noticed) into something it isn't and many of us would prefer it not 
to be -- a quaint Potemkin village right here on the West Bank of the 
Schuylkill that would impress even Amy Gutmann and John Fry.

-
Alan Krigman
KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts Inc
211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918
215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
krf...@aol.com<mailto:krf...@aol.com> or 
al.krig...@krf.icodat.com<mailto:al.krig...@krf.icodat.com>

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Wilma de Soto]

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
Dusty".

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
Shop.

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park" is.

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to buy
water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
Murray's Deli.

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
versus the "Black and Gold" are.

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the streets
where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to
get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the bottom."

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle path
on Cobbs Creek Park.

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the person
who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is on
this list.

From:  Karen Allen 
Reply-To:  Karen Allen 
Date:  Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:13:52 -0400
To:  UnivCity listserv 
Subject:  RE: [UC] FW:  You know you live in West Philly if . . .

Funny thing is that I recognize many of the people Liz is referring to (but
don't worry, no names...)
 

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:18:55 -0400
Subject: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
From: kimm.ty...@verizon.net
To: univcity@list.purple.com

In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .

http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/
   

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Jim Cummings]

I guess that is the difference with being FROM West Philly and LIVING IN
West Philly (what Liz claimed). I have lived in West Philly for 25 years and
only scored a yes on Black Oak Park, but then I never go to delis or bars so
I should get a pass on some of these. I have guess on another few ...

Jim

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:

> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
> Dusty".
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
> Shop.
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park" is.
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to buy
> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
> Murray's Deli.
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the streets
> where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
> with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to
> get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the bottom."
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle path
> on Cobbs Creek Park.
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the person
> who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is on
> this list.
>
> From: Karen Allen 
> Reply-To: Karen Allen 
> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:13:52 -0400
> To: UnivCity listserv 
> Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>
> Funny thing is that I recognize many of the people Liz is referring to (but
> don't worry, no names...)
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:18:55 -0400
> Subject: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
> From: kimm.ty...@verizon.net
> To: univcity@list.purple.com
>
> In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .
>
> http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/
>



-- 
Jim Cummings

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Wilma de Soto]

You're right Jim. I guess the point I was trying to make is Liz's depiction 
seemed to me a very limited perspective that suggested a more stilted, 
contrived, planned version of whar she thinks West Philly is that does not call 
to mind West Philly to some of us.

I live on 45 th St. near Pine. Did you know that actor Peter Boyle grew up on 
51st St. near Black Oak Park?

Of course Al diPalma is long gone and Murray's is in Narberth but many of 
things I listed are still here.

Thanks for writing.

Jim Cummings  wrote:

>I guess that is the difference with being FROM West Philly and LIVING IN
>West Philly (what Liz claimed). I have lived in West Philly for 25 years and
>only scored a yes on Black Oak Park, but then I never go to delis or bars so
>I should get a pass on some of these. I have guess on another few ...
>
>Jim
>
>On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
>> Dusty".
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
>> Shop.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
>> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park" is.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to buy
>> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
>> Murray's Deli.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
>> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the streets
>> where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
>> with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to
>> get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the bottom."
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle path
>> on Cobbs Creek Park.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the person
>> who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is on
>> this list.
>>
>> From: Karen Allen 
>> Reply-To: Karen Allen 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:13:52 -0400
>> To: UnivCity listserv 
>> Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>>
>> Funny thing is that I recognize many of the people Liz is referring to (but
>> don't worry, no names...)
>>
>> --
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:18:55 -0400
>> Subject: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>> From: kimm.ty...@verizon.net
>> To: univcity@list.purple.com
>>
>> In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .
>>
>> http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Jim Cummings

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Wilma de Soto]

What bars?

From:  Jim Cummings 
Date:  Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:58:05 -0400
To:  Alex de Soto 
Cc:  Karen Allen , UnivCity listserv

Subject:  Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

I guess that is the difference with being FROM West Philly and LIVING IN
West Philly (what Liz claimed). I have lived in West Philly for 25 years and
only scored a yes on Black Oak Park, but then I never go to delis or bars so
I should get a pass on some of these. I have guess on another few ...

Jim

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wilma de Soto 
wrote:
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The Dusty".
> 
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie Shop.
> 
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and Beer
> and know where the Italian enclave is.
> 
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park" is.
> 
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to buy
> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
> 
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
> Murray's Deli.
> 
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
> 
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the streets
> where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar with
> the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
> 
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to get
> to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the bottom."
> 
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle path on
> Cobbs Creek Park.
> 
> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the person who
> wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is on this
> list.
> 
> From:  Karen Allen 
> Reply-To:  Karen Allen 
> Date:  Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:13:52 -0400
> To:  UnivCity listserv 
> Subject:  RE: [UC] FW:  You know you live in West Philly if . . .
> 
> Funny thing is that I recognize many of the people Liz is referring to (but
> don't worry, no names...)
>  
> 
> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:18:55 -0400
> Subject: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
> From: kimm.ty...@verizon.net
> To: univcity@list.purple.com
> 
> In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .
> 
> http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/
>



-- 
Jim Cummings

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Jim Cummings]

Liz's picture seems UCD-approved.
By the way, my personal one is you are from West Philly if you have heard of
the pharmacy college but never heard of USP (*née *Philadelphia College of
Pharmacy). I work at USP, so I run into this a lot.
Jim

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Wilma de Soto  wrote:

> You're right Jim. I guess the point I was trying to make is Liz's depiction
> seemed to me a very limited perspective that suggested a more stilted,
> contrived, planned version of whar she thinks West Philly is that does not
> call to mind West Philly to some of us.
>
> I live on 45 th St. near Pine. Did you know that actor Peter Boyle grew up
> on 51st St. near Black Oak Park?
>
> Of course Al diPalma is long gone and Murray's is in Narberth but many of
> things I listed are still here.
>
> Thanks for writing.
>
> Jim Cummings  wrote:
>
> >I guess that is the difference with being FROM West Philly and LIVING IN
> >West Philly (what Liz claimed). I have lived in West Philly for 25 years
> and
> >only scored a yes on Black Oak Park, but then I never go to delis or bars
> so
> >I should get a pass on some of these. I have guess on another few ...
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wilma de Soto  >wrote:
> >
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
> >> Dusty".
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
> >> Shop.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
> >> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park"
> is.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to
> buy
> >> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location
> for
> >> Murray's Deli.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and
> Blue"
> >> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the
> streets
> >> where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
> >> with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes
> to
> >> get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the
> bottom."
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle
> path
> >> on Cobbs Creek Park.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the
> person
> >> who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is
> on
> >> this list.
> >>
> >> From: Karen Allen 
> >> Reply-To: Karen Allen 
> >> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:13:52 -0400
> >> To: UnivCity listserv 
> >> Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
> >>
> >> Funny thing is that I recognize many of the people Liz is referring to
> (but
> >> don't worry, no names...)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:18:55 -0400
> >> Subject: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
> >> From: kimm.ty...@verizon.net
> >> To: univcity@list.purple.com
> >>
> >> In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .
> >>
> >> http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Jim Cummings
>



-- 
Jim Cummings

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Wilma de Soto]

I knew it as the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science.  My best
friend's mother graduated from there in 1948.

From:  Jim Cummings 
Date:  Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:04:02 -0400
To:  Alex de Soto 
Cc:  Karen Allen , UnivCity listserv

Subject:  Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

Liz's picture seems UCD-approved.
By the way, my personal one is you are from West Philly if you have heard of
the pharmacy college but never heard of USP (née Philadelphia College of
Pharmacy). I work at USP, so I run into this a lot.
Jim

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Wilma de Soto  wrote:
> You're right Jim. I guess the point I was trying to make is Liz's depiction
> seemed to me a very limited perspective that suggested a more stilted,
> contrived, planned version of whar she thinks West Philly is that does not
> call to mind West Philly to some of us.
> 
> I live on 45 th St. near Pine. Did you know that actor Peter Boyle grew up on
> 51st St. near Black Oak Park?
> 
> Of course Al diPalma is long gone and Murray's is in Narberth but many of
> things I listed are still here.
> 
> Thanks for writing.
> 
> Jim Cummings  wrote:
> 
>> >I guess that is the difference with being FROM West Philly and LIVING IN
>> >West Philly (what Liz claimed). I have lived in West Philly for 25 years and
>> >only scored a yes on Black Oak Park, but then I never go to delis or bars so
>> >I should get a pass on some of these. I have guess on another few ...
>> >
>> >Jim
>> >
>> >On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
>> >
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
>>> >> Dusty".
>>> >>
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
>>> >> Shop.
>>> >>
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
>>> >> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
>>> >>
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park"
>>> is.
>>> >>
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to
>>> buy
>>> >> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
>>> >>
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
>>> >> Murray's Deli.
>>> >>
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
>>> >> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
>>> >>
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the
>>> streets
>>> >> where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
>>> >> with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
>>> >>
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to
>>> >> get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the
>>> bottom."
>>> >>
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle
>>> path
>>> >> on Cobbs Creek Park.
>>> >>
>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the person
>>> >> who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is
on
>>> >> this list.
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Karen Allen 
>>> >> Reply-To: Karen Allen 
>>> >> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:13:52 -0400
>>> >> To: UnivCity listserv 
>>> >> Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>>> >>
>>> >> Funny thing is that I recognize many of the people Liz is referring to
>>> (but
>>> >> don't worry, no names...)
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:18:55 -0400
>>> >> Subject: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>>> >> From: kimm.ty...@verizon.net
>>> >> To: univcity@list.purple.com
>>> >>
>>> >> In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .
>>> >>
>>> >> http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/
>>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Jim Cummings



-- 
Jim Cummings

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Amara Rockar]

You all realize if Liz used “University City” or something instead of “West
Philly” people would be crying out, “No, it’s West Philly – University City
is a marketing scheme!” and then arguing about the boundaries of University
City versus West Philly. (Anyway, it is Lenapehoking – West Philly is
colonialism)

Given Philly Mag’s largely suburban readership, is it so bad to provide a
short list of quirky and fun things about the area? The same magazine ran an
article last year where the author (not Liz) said that when out-of-towners
ask him about nice places in Philly – he leaves out the ENTIRE WEST PHILLY
REGION.

Here is a list of West Philly Neighborhoods:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philadelphia_neighborhoods#West_Philadelphia

Perhaps you all could go through and flag all the ones that aren’t “real”
West Philly? Because I get the feeling by the time it’s done, all we’ll be
left with is Cobbs Creek and maybe one or two others.

Amara

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Wilma de Soto  wrote:

> I knew it as the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science.  My best
> friend's mother graduated from there in 1948.
>
> From: Jim Cummings 
> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:04:02 -0400
> To: Alex de Soto 
> Cc: Karen Allen , UnivCity listserv <
> UnivCity@list.purple.com>
> Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>
> Liz's picture seems UCD-approved.
> By the way, my personal one is you are from West Philly if you have heard
> of the pharmacy college but never heard of USP (*née *Philadelphia College
> of Pharmacy). I work at USP, so I run into this a lot.
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
>
>> You're right Jim. I guess the point I was trying to make is Liz's
>> depiction seemed to me a very limited perspective that suggested a more
>> stilted, contrived, planned version of whar she thinks West Philly is that
>> does not call to mind West Philly to some of us.
>>
>> I live on 45 th St. near Pine. Did you know that actor Peter Boyle grew up
>> on 51st St. near Black Oak Park?
>>
>> Of course Al diPalma is long gone and Murray's is in Narberth but many of
>> things I listed are still here.
>>
>> Thanks for writing.
>>
>> Jim Cummings  wrote:
>>
>> >I guess that is the difference with being FROM West Philly and LIVING IN
>> >West Philly (what Liz claimed). I have lived in West Philly for 25 years
>> and
>> >only scored a yes on Black Oak Park, but then I never go to delis or bars
>> so
>> >I should get a pass on some of these. I have guess on another few ...
>> >
>> >Jim
>> >
>> >On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wilma de Soto > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
>> >> Dusty".
>> >>
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
>> >> Shop.
>> >>
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef
>> and
>> >> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
>> >>
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park"
>> is.
>> >>
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to
>> buy
>> >> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
>> >>
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location
>> for
>> >> Murray's Deli.
>> >>
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and
>> Blue"
>> >> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
>> >>
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the
>> streets
>> >> where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY
>> familiar
>> >> with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
>> >>
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes
>> to
>> >> get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the
>> bottom."
>> >>
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle
>> path
>> >> on Cobbs Creek Park.
>> >>
>> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the
>> person
>> >> who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is
>> on
>> >> this list.
>> >>
>> >> From: Karen Allen 
>> >> Reply-To: Karen Allen 
>> >> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:13:52 -0400
>> >> To: UnivCity listserv 
>> >> Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>> >>
>> >> Funny thing is that I recognize many of the people Liz is referring to
>> (but
>> >> don't worry, no names...)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:18:55 -0400
>> >> Subject: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>> >> From: kimm.ty...@verizon.net
>> >> To: univcity@list.purple.com
>> >>
>> >> In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Jim Cummings
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jim Cummings
>
>
>

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Krfapt]

In a message dated 7/13/2011 2:39:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
aroc...@gmail.com writes:

Given  Philly Mag’s largely suburban readership, is it so bad to provide a 
short list  of quirky and fun things about the area? 
Yes, it's bad. What if those suburban people come?  

-


Alan Krigman
KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts  Inc
211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918
215-349-6500, fax  215-349-6502
krf...@aol.com or  al.krig...@krf.icodat.com

RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Karen Allen]

"...By the way, my personal one is you are from West Philly if you have heard 
of the pharmacy college but never heard of USP (née Philadelphia College of 
Pharmacy)."
 
Hey, maybe they got tired of being called "PCP"... 
 



Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:04:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
From: alaricvisig...@gmail.com
To: wil.p...@comcast.net
CC: kallena...@msn.com; univcity@list.purple.com

Liz's picture seems UCD-approved. 
By the way, my personal one is you are from West Philly if you have heard of 
the pharmacy college but never heard of USP (née Philadelphia College of 
Pharmacy). I work at USP, so I run into this a lot.
Jim


On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Wilma de Soto  wrote:

You're right Jim. I guess the point I was trying to make is Liz's depiction 
seemed to me a very limited perspective that suggested a more stilted, 
contrived, planned version of whar she thinks West Philly is that does not call 
to mind West Philly to some of us.

I live on 45 th St. near Pine. Did you know that actor Peter Boyle grew up on 
51st St. near Black Oak Park?

Of course Al diPalma is long gone and Murray's is in Narberth but many of 
things I listed are still here.

Thanks for writing.




Jim Cummings  wrote:

>I guess that is the difference with being FROM West Philly and LIVING IN
>West Philly (what Liz claimed). I have lived in West Philly for 25 years and
>only scored a yes on Black Oak Park, but then I never go to delis or bars so
>I should get a pass on some of these. I have guess on another few ...
>
>Jim
>
>On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
>> Dusty".
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
>> Shop.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
>> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park" is.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to buy
>> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
>> Murray's Deli.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
>> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the streets
>> where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
>> with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to
>> get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the bottom."
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle path
>> on Cobbs Creek Park.
>>
>> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the person
>> who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is on
>> this list.
>>
>> From: Karen Allen 
>> Reply-To: Karen Allen 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:13:52 -0400
>> To: UnivCity listserv 
>> Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>>
>> Funny thing is that I recognize many of the people Liz is referring to (but
>> don't worry, no names...)
>>
>> --
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:18:55 -0400
>> Subject: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>> From: kimm.ty...@verizon.net
>> To: univcity@list.purple.com
>>
>> In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .
>>
>> http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/
>>
>
>
>
>--
>Jim Cummings


-- 
Jim Cummings


  

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Wilma de Soto]

I think you mistook my post and my intention. Her post was obviously
designed to appeal to PhillyMag readers.  That doesn't make it true,
however.

There is more than one way of looking at West Philly without it ALL being
bad except for the UCD approved areas.  I posted my ideas of what makes West
Philly and a life-long resident.  They are as valid as well as the
"PhillyMag" version.

From:  Amara Rockar 
Date:  Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:38:11 -0400
To:  Alex de Soto 
Cc:  Jim Cummings , Karen Allen
, UnivCity listserv 
Subject:  Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

You all realize if Liz used ³University City² or something instead of ³West
Philly² people would be crying out, ³No, it¹s West Philly ­ University City
is a marketing scheme!² and then arguing about the boundaries of University
City versus West Philly. (Anyway, it is Lenapehoking ­ West Philly is
colonialism)

Given Philly Mag¹s largely suburban readership, is it so bad to provide a
short list of quirky and fun things about the area? The same magazine ran an
article last year where the author (not Liz) said that when out-of-towners
ask him about nice places in Philly ­ he leaves out the ENTIRE WEST PHILLY
REGION.

Here is a list of West Philly
Neighborhoods:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philadelphia_neighborhood
s#West_Philadelphia

Perhaps you all could go through and flag all the ones that aren¹t ³real²
West Philly? Because I get the feeling by the time it¹s done, all we¹ll be
left with is Cobbs Creek and maybe one or two others.

Amara

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Wilma de Soto  wrote:
> I knew it as the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science.  My best
> friend's mother graduated from there in 1948.
> 
> From:  Jim Cummings 
> Date:  Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:04:02 -0400
> To:  Alex de Soto 
> Cc:  Karen Allen , UnivCity listserv
> 
> Subject:  Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
> 
> Liz's picture seems UCD-approved.
> By the way, my personal one is you are from West Philly if you have heard of
> the pharmacy college but never heard of USP (née Philadelphia College of
> Pharmacy). I work at USP, so I run into this a lot.
> Jim
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Wilma de Soto  wrote:
>> You're right Jim. I guess the point I was trying to make is Liz's depiction
>> seemed to me a very limited perspective that suggested a more stilted,
>> contrived, planned version of whar she thinks West Philly is that does not
>> call to mind West Philly to some of us.
>> 
>> I live on 45 th St. near Pine. Did you know that actor Peter Boyle grew up on
>> 51st St. near Black Oak Park?
>> 
>> Of course Al diPalma is long gone and Murray's is in Narberth but many of
>> things I listed are still here.
>> 
>> Thanks for writing.
>> 
>> Jim Cummings  wrote:
>> 
>>> >I guess that is the difference with being FROM West Philly and LIVING IN
>>> >West Philly (what Liz claimed). I have lived in West Philly for 25 years
>>> and
>>> >only scored a yes on Black Oak Park, but then I never go to delis or bars
>>> so
>>> >I should get a pass on some of these. I have guess on another few ...
>>> >
>>> >Jim
>>> >
>>> >On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wilma de Soto
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
>>>> >> Dusty".
>>>> >>
>>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
>>>> >> Shop.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
>>>> >> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park"
>>>> is.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to
>>>> buy
>>>> >> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location
>>>> for
>>>> >> Murray's Deli.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and
>>>> Blue"
>>>> >> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the
>>>> streets
>>>> >> wher

RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Lalevic, Darco]

The whole west philly vs university city thing pisses me off - they are two 
very distinct areas (even if UC is in West Philly). And really, if you're going 
to complain about new names, shouldn't we be calling it Blockley (Lenapehoking 
being the entire Delaware and Hudson basin)?

I was born here and have lived here all my life except for a couple college 
years, and I still don't know many of the things on Wilma's list!
Although it did take me a few years to start calling it USP, and I still refer 
to the Tavern.


From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On 
Behalf Of Amara Rockar
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:38 PM
To: Wilma de Soto
Cc: Jim Cummings; Karen Allen; UnivCity listserv
Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

You all realize if Liz used "University City" or something instead of "West 
Philly" people would be crying out, "No, it's West Philly - University City is 
a marketing scheme!" and then arguing about the boundaries of University City 
versus West Philly. (Anyway, it is Lenapehoking - West Philly is colonialism)

Given Philly Mag's largely suburban readership, is it so bad to provide a short 
list of quirky and fun things about the area? The same magazine ran an article 
last year where the author (not Liz) said that when out-of-towners ask him 
about nice places in Philly - he leaves out the ENTIRE WEST PHILLY REGION.

Here is a list of West Philly 
Neighborhoods:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philadelphia_neighborhoods#West_Philadelphia

Perhaps you all could go through and flag all the ones that aren't "real" West 
Philly? Because I get the feeling by the time it's done, all we'll be left with 
is Cobbs Creek and maybe one or two others.

Amara

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Wilma de Soto 
mailto:wil.p...@comcast.net>> wrote:
I knew it as the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science.  My best 
friend's mother graduated from there in 1948.

From: Jim Cummings mailto:alaricvisig...@gmail.com>>
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:04:02 -0400
To: Alex de Soto mailto:wil.p...@comcast.net>>
Cc: Karen Allen mailto:kallena...@msn.com>>, UnivCity 
listserv mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com>>
Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

Liz's picture seems UCD-approved.
By the way, my personal one is you are from West Philly if you have heard of 
the pharmacy college but never heard of USP (née Philadelphia College of 
Pharmacy). I work at USP, so I run into this a lot.
Jim
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Wilma de Soto 
mailto:wil.p...@comcast.net>> wrote:
You're right Jim. I guess the point I was trying to make is Liz's depiction 
seemed to me a very limited perspective that suggested a more stilted, 
contrived, planned version of whar she thinks West Philly is that does not call 
to mind West Philly to some of us.

I live on 45 th St. near Pine. Did you know that actor Peter Boyle grew up on 
51st St. near Black Oak Park?

Of course Al diPalma is long gone and Murray's is in Narberth but many of 
things I listed are still here.

Thanks for writing.

Jim Cummings mailto:alaricvisig...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>I guess that is the difference with being FROM West Philly and LIVING IN
>West Philly (what Liz claimed). I have lived in West Philly for 25 years and
>only scored a yes on Black Oak Park, but then I never go to delis or bars so
>I should get a pass on some of these. I have guess on another few ...
>
>Jim
>
>On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wilma de Soto 
>mailto:wil.p...@comcast.net>>wrote:
>
>> * You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
>> Dusty".
>>
>> * You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
>> Shop.
>>
>> * You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
>> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
>>
>> * You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park" is.
>>
>> * You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to buy
>> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
>>
>> * You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
>> Murray's Deli.
>>
>> * You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
>> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
>>
>> * You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the streets
>> where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
>> with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
>>
>> * You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to
>> 

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Kathleen Turner]

I would qualify Wilma's list with "and are over a certain age".

Kathleen

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Lalevic, Darco
wrote:

>  The whole west philly vs university city thing pisses me off – they are
> two very distinct areas (even if UC is in West Philly). And really, if
> you’re going to complain about new names, shouldn’t we be calling it
> Blockley (Lenapehoking being the entire Delaware and Hudson basin)?
>
> ** **
>
> I was born here and have lived here all my life except for a couple college
> years, and I still don’t know many of the things on Wilma’s list!
>
> Although it did take me a few years to start calling it USP, and I still
> refer to the Tavern.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:
> owner-univc...@list.purple.com] *On Behalf Of *Amara Rockar
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:38 PM
> *To:* Wilma de Soto
> *Cc:* Jim Cummings; Karen Allen; UnivCity listserv
>
> *Subject:* Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>
> ** **
>
> You all realize if Liz used “University City” or something instead of “West
> Philly” people would be crying out, “No, it’s West Philly – University City
> is a marketing scheme!” and then arguing about the boundaries of University
> City versus West Philly. (Anyway, it is Lenapehoking – West Philly is
> colonialism)
>
> ** **
>
> Given Philly Mag’s largely suburban readership, is it so bad to provide a
> short list of quirky and fun things about the area? The same magazine ran an
> article last year where the author (not Liz) said that when out-of-towners
> ask him about nice places in Philly – he leaves out the ENTIRE WEST PHILLY
> REGION.
>
> ** **
>
> Here is a list of West Philly Neighborhoods:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philadelphia_neighborhoods#West_Philadelphia
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Perhaps you all could go through and flag all the ones that aren’t “real”
> West Philly? Because I get the feeling by the time it’s done, all we’ll be
> left with is Cobbs Creek and maybe one or two others.
>
> ** **
>
> Amara
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Wilma de Soto 
> wrote:
>
> I knew it as the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science.  My best
> friend's mother graduated from there in 1948.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From: *Jim Cummings 
> *Date: *Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:04:02 -0400
> *To: *Alex de Soto 
> *Cc: *Karen Allen , UnivCity listserv <
> UnivCity@list.purple.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>
> ** **
>
> Liz's picture seems UCD-approved.
> By the way, my personal one is you are from West Philly if you have heard
> of the pharmacy college but never heard of USP (*née *Philadelphia College
> of Pharmacy). I work at USP, so I run into this a lot.
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Wilma de Soto 
> wrote:
>
> You're right Jim. I guess the point I was trying to make is Liz's depiction
> seemed to me a very limited perspective that suggested a more stilted,
> contrived, planned version of whar she thinks West Philly is that does not
> call to mind West Philly to some of us.
>
> I live on 45 th St. near Pine. Did you know that actor Peter Boyle grew up
> on 51st St. near Black Oak Park?
>
> Of course Al diPalma is long gone and Murray's is in Narberth but many of
> things I listed are still here.
>
> Thanks for writing.
>
>
> Jim Cummings  wrote:
>
> >I guess that is the difference with being FROM West Philly and LIVING IN
> >West Philly (what Liz claimed). I have lived in West Philly for 25 years
> and
> >only scored a yes on Black Oak Park, but then I never go to delis or bars
> so
> >I should get a pass on some of these. I have guess on another few ...
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wilma de Soto  >wrote:
> >
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
> >> Dusty".
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
> >> Shop.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
> >> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park"
> is.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to
> buy
> >> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
> >>
> >> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know th

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[wil.phil]

Okay Kathleen. But not everything on the list. University City has been 
at least 30 years in the making as I think. Still things on the list West 
Philly people would or know whom to ask, heard people talk about them or know 
who to ask. Sent from Comcast mobile

RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Roger/Vince]

I guess my friend Bill Davis does not qualify as a true West Philly person;
he only recalled about half of the items.  But what the heck, he's only
lived in West Philly for 85 years ..

Roger

 

From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com]
On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:32 PM
To: Karen Allen; UnivCity listserv
Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
Dusty".

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
Shop.

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park" is.

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to buy
water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
Murray's Deli.

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
versus the "Black and Gold" are.

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the streets
where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to
get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the bottom."

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle path
on Cobbs Creek Park.

 

. You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the person
who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is on
this list. 

 

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Wilma de Soto]

No one said who is a TRUE West Philadelphian.  I said the author, actually I
didn't, but I thought it was a scripted, stilted PhillyMag view of West
Philly.

Mr. Davis notwithstanding he may very well not remember all the the things
on my particular list.  The fact he knew at least half of them would show
neither of us are too far apart.

From:  Roger/Vince 
Date:  Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:22:14 -0400
To:  Alex de Soto , 'Karen Allen'
, UnivCity listserv 
Subject:  RE: [UC] FW:  You know you live in West Philly if . . .

I guess my friend Bill Davis does not qualify as a true West Philly person;
he only recalled about half of the items.  But what the heck, he¹s only
lived in West Philly for 85 years Š.
Roger
 

From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com]
On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:32 PM
To: Karen Allen; UnivCity listserv
Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
Dusty".

 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
Shop.

 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.

 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park" is.

 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to buy
water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.

 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
Murray's Deli.

 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
versus the "Black and Gold" are.

 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the streets
where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".

 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to
get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the bottom."

 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle path
on Cobbs Creek Park.

 

€ You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the person
who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is on
this list. 

 

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Brian Siano]

Somewhere in the deep South, there are mailing lists where Jeff
Foxworthy routines are debated for their truthfulness, accuracy, and
historical legitimacy.

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Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Wilma de Soto]

I think Foxworthy made a joke about that once.

On 7/13/11 6:15 PM, "Brian Siano"  wrote:

>Somewhere in the deep South, there are mailing lists where Jeff
>Foxworthy routines are debated for their truthfulness, accuracy, and
>historical legitimacy.
>
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>list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see
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Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Krfapt]

In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:54:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wil.p...@comcast.net writes:

Mr.  Davis notwithstanding he may very well not remember all the the things 
on my  particular list. 
Hey... Roger said Bill Davis was 85 years old. So forgive him a memory  
lapse here or there. I started forgetting things (and becoming crotchety) when 
I  began to get senile at age 10. And, it's been downhill ever since.
 
-

Alan Krigman
KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts  Inc
211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918
215-349-6500, fax  215-349-6502
krf...@aol.com or  al.krig...@krf.icodat.com

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Gary J. Jastrzab]

University City has been used as a designation for at least 48 years.  
See Leon S. Rosenthal's "A History of Philadelphia's University  
City" (1963).


GJJ



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Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Elliot M. Stern]

People who habitually wear tweed jackets might occasionally lighten up. 

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Elliot



On Jul 13, 2011, at 8:05, krf...@aol.com wrote:

>  
>  
> In a message dated 7/12/2011 11:19:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> kimm.ty...@verizon.net writes:
> In case you missed it elsewhere . . . .
> 
> http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/07/12/live-west-philly/
> Elitist pretentious snobbery like this from self-anointed sophisticates who 
> think they're better than everyone else will make the real neighborhood 
> (which she hasn't noticed) into something it isn't and many of us would 
> prefer it not to be -- a quaint Potemkin village right here on the West Bank 
> of the Schuylkill that would impress even Amy Gutmann and John Fry.
>  
> -
> Alan Krigman
> KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts Inc
> 211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918
> 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
> krf...@aol.com or al.krig...@krf.icodat.com

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[robert rathmann]

Please people...
This is the most rediculous, petty display of trying to one-up each
other on who is the most worthy "West Philadelphian".  Take the
article for what it's worth.  The author was trying to show her
perspective on being a happy west philly resident.  The list she made
up is an accurate depiction from her  (and many other's) point of
view.  She was just writing a lite, humorous list based on what you
might see or experience while living here.  She was by no means trying
to say she was an expert on "old school" west philly".
Congratulations to the others that had to show everyone that they were
living in west philly since the indians roamed Cobbs Creek and the
places that are "Over the line".  Be proud that your community is a
unique place that folks are proud to live in.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Wilma de Soto  wrote:
> No one said who is a TRUE West Philadelphian.  I said the author, actually I
> didn't, but I thought it was a scripted, stilted PhillyMag view of West
> Philly.
> Mr. Davis notwithstanding he may very well not remember all the the things
> on my particular list.  The fact he knew at least half of them would show
> neither of us are too far apart.
> From: Roger/Vince 
> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:22:14 -0400
> To: Alex de Soto , 'Karen Allen' ,
> UnivCity listserv 
> Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>
> I guess my friend Bill Davis does not qualify as a true West Philly person;
> he only recalled about half of the items.  But what the heck, he’s only
> lived in West Philly for 85 years ….
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com]
> On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:32 PM
> To: Karen Allen; UnivCity listserv
> Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
> Dusty".
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
> Shop.
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park" is.
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to buy
> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
> Murray's Deli.
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the streets
> where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
> with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to
> get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the bottom."
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle path
> on Cobbs Creek Park.
>
>
>
> • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the person
> who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is on
> this list.
>
>

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Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Mario Giorno]

Robert,

  I couldn't have said it better. Thank you for that.


Mario Giorno
36 s. 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19139


On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:24 AM, robert rathmann wrote:

> Please people...
> This is the most rediculous, petty display of trying to one-up each
> other on who is the most worthy "West Philadelphian".  Take the
> article for what it's worth.  The author was trying to show her
> perspective on being a happy west philly resident.  The list she made
> up is an accurate depiction from her  (and many other's) point of
> view.  She was just writing a lite, humorous list based on what you
> might see or experience while living here.  She was by no means trying
> to say she was an expert on "old school" west philly".
> Congratulations to the others that had to show everyone that they were
> living in west philly since the indians roamed Cobbs Creek and the
> places that are "Over the line".  Be proud that your community is a
> unique place that folks are proud to live in.
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Wilma de Soto 
> wrote:
> > No one said who is a TRUE West Philadelphian.  I said the author,
> actually I
> > didn't, but I thought it was a scripted, stilted PhillyMag view of West
> > Philly.
> > Mr. Davis notwithstanding he may very well not remember all the the
> things
> > on my particular list.  The fact he knew at least half of them would show
> > neither of us are too far apart.
> > From: Roger/Vince 
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:22:14 -0400
> > To: Alex de Soto , 'Karen Allen' <
> kallena...@msn.com>,
> > UnivCity listserv 
> > Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
> >
> > I guess my friend Bill Davis does not qualify as a true West Philly
> person;
> > he only recalled about half of the items.  But what the heck, he’s only
> > lived in West Philly for 85 years ….
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
> >
> > From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:
> owner-univc...@list.purple.com]
> > On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:32 PM
> > To: Karen Allen; UnivCity listserv
> > Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
> > Dusty".
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
> > Shop.
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
> > Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park"
> is.
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to
> buy
> > water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for
> > Murray's Deli.
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue"
> > versus the "Black and Gold" are.
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the
> streets
> > where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
> > with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes to
> > get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the
> bottom."
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle
> path
> > on Cobbs Creek Park.
> >
> >
> >
> > • You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the person
> > who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is
> on
> > this list.
> >
> >
> 
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PO Box 30932
Philadelphia, PA 19104
westphi...@gmail.com

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Wilma de Soto]

LOL! I loved the way you put this.

The most worthy West Philadelphian was not my intent, it just that her
version of what constitutes West Philly now and before does not ring true
for me.

I too am a happy West Philly resident.  Sorry I upset so many people by
posting my list that differed from the author's. Gee!

On 7/14/11 10:24 AM, "robert rathmann"  wrote:

>Please people...
>This is the most rediculous, petty display of trying to one-up each
>other on who is the most worthy "West Philadelphian".  Take the
>article for what it's worth.  The author was trying to show her
>perspective on being a happy west philly resident.  The list she made
>up is an accurate depiction from her  (and many other's) point of
>view.  She was just writing a lite, humorous list based on what you
>might see or experience while living here.  She was by no means trying
>to say she was an expert on "old school" west philly".
>Congratulations to the others that had to show everyone that they were
>living in west philly since the indians roamed Cobbs Creek and the
>places that are "Over the line".  Be proud that your community is a
>unique place that folks are proud to live in.
>
>On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Wilma de Soto 
>wrote:
>> No one said who is a TRUE West Philadelphian.  I said the author,
>>actually I
>> didn't, but I thought it was a scripted, stilted PhillyMag view of West
>> Philly.
>> Mr. Davis notwithstanding he may very well not remember all the the
>>things
>> on my particular list.  The fact he knew at least half of them would
>>show
>> neither of us are too far apart.
>> From: Roger/Vince 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:22:14 -0400
>> To: Alex de Soto , 'Karen Allen'
>>,
>> UnivCity listserv 
>> Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>>
>> I guess my friend Bill Davis does not qualify as a true West Philly
>>person;
>> he only recalled about half of the items.  But what the heck, he¹s only
>> lived in West Philly for 85 years Š.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com
>>[mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com]
>> On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:32 PM
>> To: Karen Allen; UnivCity listserv
>> Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The
>> Dusty".
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie
>> Shop.
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and
>> Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park"
>>is.
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to
>>buy
>> water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location
>>for
>> Murray's Deli.
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and
>>Blue"
>> versus the "Black and Gold" are.
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the
>>streets
>> where "the lines" are between areas good and bad and are   VERY familiar
>> with the phrase, "but that's over the line!".
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you know the routes
>>to
>> get to Fairmount Park by either going "over the top" or "down the
>>bottom."
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you have ever walked the bridle
>>path
>> on Cobbs Creek Park.
>>
>>
>>
>> € You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you realize the
>>person
>> who wrote the other article would not have the faintest idea of what is
>>on
>> this list.
>>
>>



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Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[campio...@juno.com]

 Dear Neighbors, I consider myself a "true West Philadelphia" and a big fan of 
Liz Spikol.Liz has written, with great candor, about bouts with illness, 
features of the drugs she has taken, and life on the outside.  At times, she 
gave a voice and clarity to things I was guessing about my beloved sister 
Maggie.I enjoyed her 'list"/article and recognized everything on it. One of my 
favorite things about West Philly is its ability to be inclusive and/or turn 
things topsy-turvy. I think Liz caught a little of the flavor of the "PC" and 
even some of the 'reverse class-ism' that runs through WP. West Philly is often 
so far ahead of the curve that we sometimes don't get full credit for 
home-grown ideas.Some examples:  The Art Deco movement may have started here, 
moved to Paris and than back to New York.Movies were made here before 
Hollywood.The Fresh Prince and Liz Lemon (okay she's so far west she's 
suburban), made it here first.Penn's Eniac was a precursor to Silicon 
Valley.One of the geniuses behind Artificial Intelligence still quietly thinks 
great thoughts from his home on 48th Street. Like Bill Davis, I could not 
remember a few things on Wilma's list.And like so many of Wilma's 
contributions, her list reminds me that even in West Philly, there have always 
been divisions between "Catholics, Publics and Privates". People like me, who 
attended St. Francis and West Catholic, grew with different experiences from 
the "Publics", (students at Lea and Wilson), or the "Privates" (at Pillar of 
Fire or St. Leonard's). There are still many different experiences based upon 
Skin Color, choice of Worship (or not), Gender preference and Abilities (or 
lack there of). When I was named a National Merit Finalist and won a 
Scholarship to PENN, I learned there was a big gap in the opportunities offered 
to the students of the "Ivies".  Even as an adult, I realize my IQ, decades of 
experience and almost encyclopedic memory of the homes and neighbors of 
CC/UC/WP are not always a match for a trust fund or connection. One of my 
favorite things about being in West Philly is the number of great thinkers, 
good communicators, writers and healers who fill our streets, parks and 
gathering places.  I love the amount of learning I absorb just listening to 
people I am permitted to call friends.  And I especially like when the 
brilliant children of this neighborhood are the ones who open my eyes to new 
thoughts and experiences. BTW: Based upon my childhood, I think the most common 
early question, was, "What's your home Parrish?", so my list would include, You 
know your in West Philly if you describe your neighborhood with a Saints name.  
I know this will not resonate with many of my friends, but it is my experience 
as a"true" West Philadelphian. Best!Liz  
---------- Original Message ------
From: Wilma de Soto 
To: Roger/Vince ,"'Karen Allen'" 
,UnivCity listserv 
Subject: Re: [UC] FW:  You know you live in West Philly if . . .
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:53:41 -0400


No one said who is a TRUE West Philadelphian.  I said the author, actually I 
didn't, but I thought it was a scripted, stilted PhillyMag view of West 
Philly.Mr. Davis notwithstanding he may very well not remember all the the 
things on my particular list.  The fact he knew at least half of them would 
show neither of us are too far apart.From: Roger/Vince 
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:22:14 -0400
To: Alex de Soto , 'Karen Allen' , 
UnivCity listserv 
Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
I guess my friend Bill Davis does not qualify as a true West Philly person; he 
only recalled about half of the items.  But what the heck, he’s only 
lived in West Philly for 85 years ….
Roger
 
From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On 
Behalf Of Wilma de Soto
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:32 PM
To: Karen Allen; UnivCity listserv
Subject: Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
 
• You know you ARE from West Philly if you know what is we called "The 
Dusty".
 
• You know you ARE from West Philly if you remember Al DiPalma's Hoagie 
Shop.
 
• You know you ARE from West Philly if you've ever eaten at The Beef and 
Beer and know where the Italian enclave is.
 
• You know you ARE from West Philly if you know where "Black Oak Park" is.
 
• You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you couldn't wait to 
buy water ice at Overbrook Water Ice Stand.
 
• You know you ARE from West Philly if you know the original location for 
Murray's Deli.
 
• You know you ARE from West Philly if you know who the "Orange and Blue" 
versus the "Black and Gold" are.
 
• You know you ARE from West Philly if you know if you can name the 
streets where &qu

Re: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .

[Wilma de Soto]

My Dear Liz,

Hopefully you will not be excoriated because you dared to post the your list
of what West Philly  means to you.

Actually, Al Krigman started it.

I still don't think I should apologize for criticizing Liz Spikol's article.
Actually my friend Carol Saline and I have had many discussions about how
PhillyMag portrays our neighborhood whilst we were fellow CFL Board Members
since 1990. Lots of great arguments.

Apparently my view was the most offensive because people thought I was
trying to tell the "pioneers" in Liz's article how it was before them and
that they were not real West Philly people.

I have my view and Liz Campion and Bill Davis have theirs.  Like everyone,
one forgets things and might be reminded by someone who was also there. I
welcome this.


From:  Elizabeth F Campion 
Reply-To:  Elizabeth F Campion 
Date:  Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:20:20 GMT
To:  UnivCity listserv 
Subject:  Re: [UC] FW:  You know you live in West Philly if . . .

 
Dear Neighbors,
 
I consider myself a "true West Philadelphia" and a big fan of Liz Spikol.
Liz has written, with great candor, about bouts with illness, features of
the drugs she has taken, and life on the outside.  At times, she gave a
voice and clarity to things I was guessing about my beloved sister Maggie.
I enjoyed her 'list"/article and recognized everything on it.
 
One of my favorite things about West Philly is its ability to be inclusive
and/or turn things topsy-turvy.
I think Liz caught a little of the flavor of the "PC" and even some of the
'reverse class-ism' that runs through WP.
 
West Philly is often so far ahead of the curve that we sometimes don't get
full credit for home-grown ideas.
Some examples:  The Art Deco movement may have started here, moved to Paris
and than back to New York.
Movies were made here before Hollywood.
The Fresh Prince and Liz Lemon (okay she's so far west she's suburban), made
it here first.
Penn's Eniac was a precursor to Silicon Valley.
One of the geniuses behind Artificial Intelligence still quietly thinks
great thoughts from his home on 48th Street.
 
Like Bill Davis, I could not remember a few things on Wilma's list.
And like so many of Wilma's contributions, her list reminds me that even in
West Philly, there have always been divisions between "Catholics, Publics
and Privates". 
People like me, who attended St. Francis and West Catholic, grew with
different experiences from the "Publics", (students at Lea and Wilson), or
the "Privates" (at Pillar of Fire or St. Leonard's).
There are still many different experiences based upon Skin Color, choice of
Worship (or not), Gender preference and Abilities (or lack there of).
When I was named a National Merit Finalist and won a Scholarship to PENN, I
learned there was a big gap in the opportunities offered to the students of
the "Ivies".  Even as an adult, I realize my IQ, decades of experience and
almost encyclopedic memory of the homes and neighbors of CC/UC/WP are not
always a match for a trust fund or connection.
 
One of my favorite things about being in West Philly is the number of great
thinkers, good communicators, writers and healers who fill our streets,
parks and gathering places.  I love the amount of learning I absorb just
listening to people I am permitted to call friends.  And I especially like
when the brilliant children of this neighborhood are the ones who open my
eyes to new thoughts and experiences.
 
BTW: Based upon my childhood, I think the most common early question, was,
"What's your home Parrish?", so my list would include, You know your in West
Philly if you describe your neighborhood with a Saints name.  I know this
will not resonate with many of my friends, but it is my experience as
a"true" West Philadelphian.
 
Best!
Liz
 
 

------ Original Message --
From: Wilma de Soto 
To: Roger/Vince ,"'Karen Allen'"
,UnivCity listserv 
Subject: Re: [UC] FW:  You know you live in West Philly if . . .
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:53:41 -0400


No one said who is a TRUE West Philadelphian.  I said the author, actually I
didn't, but I thought it was a scripted, stilted PhillyMag view of West
Philly.
Mr. Davis notwithstanding he may very well not remember all the the things
on my particular list.  The fact he knew at least half of them would show
neither of us are too far apart.
From: Roger/Vince 
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:22:14 -0400
To: Alex de Soto , 'Karen Allen' ,
UnivCity listserv 
Subject: RE: [UC] FW: You know you live in West Philly if . . .
I guess my friend Bill Davis does not qualify as a true West Philly person;
he only recalled about half of the items.  But what the heck, he¹s only
lived in West Philly for 85 years Š.
Roger
 

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