RE: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[Lalevic, Darco]

Glenn,

While I appreciate your futile intentions to wrest control of Clark Park from 
the UCD/Penn/FOCP/everyone-else conspiracy, I find it extremely offensive that 
you use a Holocaust reference for effect.

Darco


From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On 
Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

Citizens,
 Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure.  Like always, the 
local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are wondering how they 
missed "nearly five years of planning and nearly countless public meetings 
geared toward receiving community feedback on revitalizing Park "A..."  (UC 
Review)

http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=default&smenu=1&mad=no


If you looked closely at the announcements of Friends of Clark Park meetings 
over the past few years, a few mentioned "updates" about "maintenance."  Almost 
no one from the community, other than the anointed FOCP leaders themselves, 
bore the pain of these gatherings as I did.


Fact:  There was no portion at FOCP board meetings that was ever geared toward 
receiving PUBLIC feedback about Penn's plan to redesign the park!


Eyewitness account:  A few minutes (4 or 5) were left at the end of each show, 
in case anyone wanted to thank and applaud the FOCP leaders.  For three 
consecutive years, I attempted to make a one minute statement to voice 
opposition to the closed, secretive and exclusive process which was driving 
Penn's redesign.  Each time I was silenced (Snyder, Snyder, Melmen)!  That is 
what FOCP claims were countless public meetings for feedback.


As indicated in the UCR article, the other "public process" was to find out 
about Siano and West frightening people PRIVATELY at the farmer's market.  
Everyone is to believe that while Siano and West demanded 20 dollars from 
people with false promises of inclusion, that citizens had a legitimate process 
for providing "feedback" to the closed and secret Clark Park Partnership.  It's 
as silly and dishonest as melani's private "in-box" survey for BID supporters.  
(I wish more people understood the very basic principles involved!)

It looks like the big lie has now become part of the history of West 
Philadelphia as advanced by UCD.

Reality:  The years between the rejection of Penn's plan to redesign Clark Park 
as well as these FOCP "updates" were always designed to keep the public 
confused and excluded from the UNPOPULAR plan.  They kept saying the community 
wants this destruction and kept telling the public that there were public 
meetings.  They never allowed park user groups to participate or observe the 
planning meetings since Penn first hand picked the "master plan steering 
committee."  Only FOCP leaders were allowed and all others were banned.

 When Aaron told the reporter that 100 people, he knew, were surprised by the 
slaughter of trees, we are all supposed to believe that they just didn't pay 
enough attention while the FOCP patiently begged for community feedback in 
public meetings!  Are the people going to stay silent against this lie?

Wake up:  The three stooges, West, Siano, and Chance, helped Penn privatize 
Clark Park and give absolute control of Clark Park to UCD, masked as the closed 
 "Clark Park Partnership."  It wasn't public feedback meetings that everyone 
missed.  It was the loss of our rights, as local residents and as citizens, 
that we failed to see and stand up against with these deceptions!

 Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being destroyed.  I 
copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown Boston for the silent ones 
to consider:

"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Pastor Martin Neimoller

Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[craigsolve]

“They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.




And then we came for Glenn,
and everyone cheered up.

Ciao,

Craig




 

From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On 
Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

 
Citizens,
 Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure.  Like always, the 
local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are wondering how they 
missed “nearly five years of planning and nearly countless public meetings 
geared toward receiving community feedback on revitalizing Park "A…"  (UC 
Review)
 
http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=default&smenu=1&mad=no
 
 

 
 Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being destroyed.  I 
copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown Boston for the silent ones 
to consider:  
 
“They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

Pastor Martin Neimoller
 
= 

Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[Kathleen Turner]

Does comparison to the Holocaust invoke Godwin's Law, and if so, does that
mean that Glenn is forever barred from writing further messages on this
topic?

Kathleen

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM,  wrote:

>
>  “They came first for the Communists,
> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>
> Then they came for the trade unionists,
> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>
> Then they came for the Jews,
> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>
>
>
>  And then we came for Glenn,
> and everyone cheered up.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>  *From:* owner-univc...@list.purple.com [
> mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Glenn
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM
> *To:* UnivCity@list.purple.com
> *Subject:* [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
>
> Citizens,
>  Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure.  Like always,
> the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are wondering how
> they missed “nearly five years of planning and nearly countless public
> meetings geared toward receiving community feedback on revitalizing Park
> "A…"  (UC Review)
>
>
> http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=default&smenu=1&mad=no
>
>
> 
>
>  Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being destroyed.
> I copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown Boston for the silent
> ones to consider:
>
> “They came first for the Communists,
> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>
> Then they came for the trade unionists,
> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>
> Then they came for the Jews,
> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>
> Then they came for me
> and by that time no one was left to speak up.”
>
> Pastor Martin Neimoller
>
>  =
>

Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[Cindy Miller]

No, but according to Wikipedia, it means that Glenn has "lost" and the  
discussion is now over.




-cm




On Sep 24, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Kathleen Turner wrote:

Does comparison to the Holocaust invoke Godwin's Law, and if so,  
does that mean that Glenn is forever barred from writing further  
messages on this topic?


Kathleen

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM,  wrote:

“They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.


And then we came for Glenn,
and everyone cheered up.

Ciao,

Craig



From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com 
] On Behalf Of Glenn

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

Citizens,
 Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure.  Like  
always, the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they  
are wondering how they missed “nearly five years of planning and  
nearly countless public meetings geared toward receiving community  
feedback on revitalizing Park "A…"  (UC Review)


http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=default&smenu=1&mad=no




 Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being  
destroyed.  I copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown  
Boston for the silent ones to consider:


“They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

Pastor Martin Neimoller

=

Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

but then soon after glenn invoked chaucer, and


Right so as bees out swarmen from an hyve,
Out of the develes ers ther gonne dryve
Twenty thousand freres on a route,
And thurghout helle swarmed al aboute,
And comen agayn as faste as they may gon,
And in his ers they crepten everychon.
He clapte his tayl agayn and lay ful stille.


:-)



Cindy Miller wrote:
No, but according to Wikipedia, it means that Glenn has "lost" and the 
discussion is now over.


-cm




On Sep 24, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Kathleen Turner wrote:

Does comparison to the Holocaust invoke Godwin's Law, and if so, does 
that mean that Glenn is forever barred from writing further messages 
on this topic?


Kathleen

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM, > wrote:



“They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.



And then we came for Glenn,
and everyone cheered up.
 
Ciao,
 
Craig







































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Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[Glenn]

Darco,

I would normally wish to ignore the ambiguous injury you suffered in 
your one line tweet.  These tweets solely to intimidate speakers or 
chill speech of others should not ordinarily receive a serious response.



But the code of silence which you invoke is so severely dangerous that I 
must respond publicly!


 Many of us, who have learned from the WW II holocaust and all the 
other holocausts, also stand firmly behind the knowledge that the 
lessons from the history must never be forgotten or silenced. Otherwise, 
they will always repeat.


A million people died in the Iran Iraq war when we armed Saddam Hussein 
to kill Persians.  How many died in Vietnam and Cambodia as they were 
called gooks?  How many died in Iraq from US sanctions?  An estimated 
million more Iraqis died in the recent war and there are millions of 
refugees destabilizing the entire region.  Those dead people were called 
ragheads in military recruitment video games.   This blood offends me 
and those dead millions can't tell their stories!



Darco, this blood and much more has been spilled since 1945.  I won't be 
silenced while the main cause this blood was spilled is because too much 
of middle class America has indeed forgotten the reasons why Neimoller's 
quote is carved in granite on holocaust memorials around the world.I 
think those words should be studied and discussed by every high school 
student in America. (I copied the famous quote by hand because I wanted 
it burned into my mind.) Those who wish to mystify the holocausts and 
deny the study of these frighten me!



A main lesson of that quote has to do with the inevitable course history 
will take when good people stay silent when "the other" is first defined 
and dehumanized.



For many years, the people from Clark Park and West Philly have been 
actively portrayed as criminals, prostitutes, gangs, etc. My inner city 
neighbors and poor people have similarly been categorized and caged 
afterward.  Less than a year ago, a UCD executive was quoted in a city 
wide paper claiming that "people" did not go West of 43rd St before the 
UCD takeover.  I was OFFENDED!


To those of us who understand the messages in Neimoller's words, this 
intensive dehumanizing propaganda campaign against my neighbors has been 
alarming.  This process that WE MUST NEVER FORGET is happening right 
here, RIGHT NOW!



The code of silence required to avoid offending you is extremely 
dangerous.  I also want people to see the body bags and feel 
uncomfortable with the global horror caused because they refuse to speak 
up against racism and all the forces to define "others" and strip them 
of their rights and lives.  I don't give a damn who is offended or 
uncomfortable.


Now Darco, I can tell you to take your silly ambiguous tweet and stuff it.

Sincerely,
Glenn

For emphasis:

"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."


Pastor Martin Neimoller





On 9/23/2010 2:14 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:


Glenn,

While I appreciate your futile intentions to wrest control of Clark 
Park from the UCD/Penn/FOCP/everyone-else conspiracy, I find it 
extremely offensive that you use a Holocaust reference for effect.


Darco

*From:* owner-univc...@list.purple.com 
[mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] *On Behalf Of *Glenn

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM
*To:* UnivCity@list.purple.com
*Subject:* [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

Citizens,

 Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure.  Like 
always, the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while they are 
wondering how they missed "nearly five years of planning and nearly 
countless public meetings geared toward receiving community feedback 
on revitalizing Park "A..."  (UC Review)


http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=default&smenu=1&mad=no 



If you looked closely at the announcements of Friends of Clark Park 
meetings over the past few years, a few mentioned "updates" about 
"maintenance."  Almost no one from the community, other than the 
anointed FOCP leaders themselves, bore the pain of these gatherings as 
I did.


Fact:  There was no portion at FOCP board meetings that was ever 
geared toward receiving PUBLIC feedback about Penn's plan to redesign 
the park!


Eyewitness account:  A few minutes (4 or 5) were left at the end of 
each show, in case anyone wanted to thank and applaud the FOCP 
leaders.  For three consecutive years, I attempted to make a one 
minute statement to voice oppositio

Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[Glenn]

Yes, you understand!

On 9/24/2010 8:33 AM, Cindy Miller wrote:
No, but according to Wikipedia, it means that Glenn has "lost" and the 
discussion is now over.




-cm




On Sep 24, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Kathleen Turner wrote:

Does comparison to the Holocaust invoke Godwin's Law, and if so, does 
that mean that Glenn is forever barred from writing further messages 
on this topic?


Kathleen

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM, > wrote:



"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.



And then we came for Glenn,
and everyone cheered up.
Ciao,
Craig


*From:* owner-univc...@list.purple.com

[mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com
] *On Behalf Of *Glenn
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:18 AM
*To:* UnivCity@list.purple.com 
*Subject:* [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
Citizens,
 Here is the UC Review coverage of the Clark park closure.  Like
always, the local residents are supposed to feel stupid while
they are wondering how they missed "nearly five years of planning
and nearly countless public meetings geared toward receiving
community feedback on revitalizing Park "A..."  (UC Review)

http://ucreview.com/tree-removal-in-clark-park-a-elicits-surprise-from-some-local-residents-p2341-1.htm?twindow=default&smenu=1&mad=no



 Today, it is the park users whose culture and rights are being
destroyed.  I copied this from the Holocaust memorial in downtown
Boston for the silent ones to consider:
"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Pastor Martin Neimoller
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RE: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[Lalevic, Darco]

Bullshit.

I understand all too well the rise of corporatism, the failings of society, the 
consequences of war, hate, racism, and distrust. I have experienced it and seen 
it first hand.

I also don't want you to speak for me. I can do it myself. I was born in this 
neighborhood and have lived here almost all of my life. I too am often offended 
by the bias and misinformation that is often propagated as marketing for 
"University City". As for happening "right here, right now" I can tell you it's 
been happening "right here" for as long as I can remember, and I'm pretty sure 
for longer than that.

What I'm offended by is that you choose Clark Park as the focal representation 
of societal horrors. Sure, I disagree with UCD and FOCP on many issues, but I'm 
willing to bet after they blow all that money, the park will be used by the 
same people as it is now. Yes, I disagree with (what I perceive as) the push to 
disenfranchise certain people from the park (I'm not accusing anyone directly 
of doing so, I'm reflecting on the selective enforcement of what I consider 
stupid laws). And yes, what is happening is representative of our society in 
general.

But to equate what is happening with Clark Park in any way with the death of 
millions is disrespectful. Additionally, it puts your argument into the 
irrational category for most people. Your yelling that the world is going to 
end, rather than providing detailed facts to your argument, inevitably causes 
fewer people to become involved. As you yourself have pointed out, how many 
others have publicly fought against the Clark Park changes? The fact is, by not 
engaging the argument in a logical, academic way, you've pushed the relevance 
of your argument to the wayside.

And really, 5 years of planning? I remember seeing a plan for "revitalizing" 
Clark Park 10 years ago! If someone didn't know this was coming then they 
clearly have not been paying attention.

Darco

PS: I have one for you:
"A shepherd-boy, who watched a flock of sheep near a village, brought out the 
villagers three or four times by crying out, "Wolf! Wolf!" and when his 
neighbors came to help him, laughed at them for their pains. The Wolf, however, 
did truly come at last. The Shepherd-boy, now really alarmed, shouted in an 
agony of terror: "Pray, do come and help me; the Wolf is killing the sheep"; 
but no one paid any heed to his cries, nor rendered any assistance. The Wolf, 
having no cause of fear, at his leisure lacerated or destroyed the whole 
flock." - Aesop


From: Glenn [mailto:glen...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:36 PM
To: Lalevic, Darco
Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

Darco,

I would normally wish to ignore the ambiguous injury you suffered in your one 
line tweet.  These tweets solely to intimidate speakers or chill speech of 
others should not ordinarily receive a serious response.


But the code of silence which you invoke is so severely dangerous that I must 
respond publicly!

 Many of us, who have learned from the WW II holocaust and all the other 
holocausts, also stand firmly behind the knowledge that the lessons from the 
history must never be forgotten or silenced. Otherwise, they will always repeat.

A million people died in the Iran Iraq war when we armed Saddam Hussein to kill 
Persians.  How many died in Vietnam and Cambodia as they were called gooks?  
How many died in Iraq from US sanctions?  An estimated million more Iraqis died 
in the recent war and there are millions of refugees destabilizing the entire 
region.  Those dead people were called ragheads in military recruitment video 
games.   This blood offends me and those dead millions can't tell their stories!


Darco, this blood and much more has been spilled since 1945.  I won't be 
silenced while the main cause this blood was spilled is because too much of 
middle class America has indeed forgotten the reasons why Neimoller's quote is 
carved in granite on holocaust memorials around the world.I think those 
words should be studied and discussed by every high school student in America. 
(I copied the famous quote by hand because I wanted it burned into my mind.) 
Those who wish to mystify the holocausts and deny the study of these frighten 
me!


A main lesson of that quote has to do with the inevitable course history will 
take when good people stay silent when "the other" is first defined and 
dehumanized.


For many years, the people from Clark Park and West Philly have been actively 
portrayed as criminals, prostitutes, gangs, etc. My inner city neighbors and 
poor people have similarly been categorized and caged afterward.  Less than a 
year ago, a UCD executive was quoted in a city wide paper claiming that 
"people" did not go West of 43rd St before the UCD ta

Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[Wilma de Soto]

You HAVE?


On 9/24/10 3:04 PM, "Lalevic, Darco"  wrote:

> Bullshit.
>  
> I understand all too well the rise of corporatism, the failings of society,
> the consequences of war, hate, racism, and distrust. I have experienced it and
> seen it first hand.
>  
> I also don¹t want you to speak for me. I can do it myself. I was born in this
> neighborhood and have lived here almost all of my life. I too am often
> offended by the bias and misinformation that is often propagated as marketing
> for ³University City². As for happening ³right here, right now² I can tell you
> it¹s been happening ³right here² for as long as I can remember, and I¹m pretty
> sure for longer than that.
>  
> What I¹m offended by is that you choose Clark Park as the focal representation
> of societal horrors. Sure, I disagree with UCD and FOCP on many issues, but
> I¹m willing to bet after they blow all that money, the park will be used by
> the same people as it is now. Yes, I disagree with (what I perceive as) the
> push to disenfranchise certain people from the park (I¹m not accusing anyone
> directly of doing so, I¹m reflecting on the selective enforcement of what I
> consider stupid laws). And yes, what is happening is representative of our
> society in general.
>  
> But to equate what is happening with Clark Park in any way with the death of
> millions is disrespectful. Additionally, it puts your argument into the
> irrational category for most people. Your yelling that the world is going to
> end, rather than providing detailed facts to your argument, inevitably causes
> fewer people to become involved. As you yourself have pointed out, how many
> others have publicly fought against the Clark Park changes? The fact is, by
> not engaging the argument in a logical, academic way, you¹ve pushed the
> relevance of your argument to the wayside.
>  
> And really, 5 years of planning? I remember seeing a plan for ³revitalizing²
> Clark Park 10 years ago! If someone didn¹t know this was coming then they
> clearly have not been paying attention.
>  
> Darco
>  
> PS: I have one for you:
> ³A shepherd-boy, who watched a flock of sheep near a village, brought out the
> villagers three or four times by crying out, "Wolf! Wolf!" and when his
> neighbors came to help him, laughed at them for their pains. The Wolf,
> however, did truly come at last. The Shepherd-boy, now really alarmed, shouted
> in an agony of terror: "Pray, do come and help me; the Wolf is killing the
> sheep"; but no one paid any heed to his cries, nor rendered any assistance.
> The Wolf, having no cause of fear, at his leisure lacerated or destroyed the
> whole flock.² ­ Aesop
>  
>  
> 
> From: Glenn [mailto:glen...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:36 PM
> To: Lalevic, Darco
> Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com
> Subject: Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR
>  
> Darco,
> 
> I would normally wish to ignore the ambiguous injury you suffered in your one
> line tweet.  These tweets solely to intimidate speakers or chill speech of
> others should not ordinarily receive a serious response.
> 
> 
> But the code of silence which you invoke is so severely dangerous that I must
> respond publicly!
> 
>  Many of us, who have learned from the WW II holocaust and all the other
> holocausts, also stand firmly behind the knowledge that the lessons from the
> history must never be forgotten or silenced. Otherwise, they will always
> repeat.
> 
> A million people died in the Iran Iraq war when we armed Saddam Hussein to
> kill Persians.  How many died in Vietnam and Cambodia as they were called
> gooks?  How many died in Iraq from US sanctions?  An estimated million more
> Iraqis died in the recent war and there are millions of refugees destabilizing
> the entire region.  Those dead people were called ragheads in military
> recruitment video games.   This blood offends me and those dead millions can't
> tell their stories!
> 
> 
> Darco, this blood and much more has been spilled since 1945.  I won't be
> silenced while the main cause this blood was spilled is because too much of
> middle class America has indeed forgotten the reasons why Neimoller's quote is
> carved in granite on holocaust memorials around the world.I think those
> words should be studied and discussed by every high school student in America.
> (I copied the famous quote by hand because I wanted it burned into my mind.)
> Those who wish to mystify the holocausts and deny the study of these frighten
> me! 
> 
> 
> A main lesson of that quote has to do with the inevitable course history will
> take when good people stay silent when "the other" is first def

Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Lalevic, Darco wrote:
I too am 
often offended by the bias and misinformation that is often propagated 
as marketing for “University City”.



can you cite examples of this?





Sure, I disagree with UCD and FOCP on many issues,



examples?









The fact is, by not engaging the argument in a 
logical, academic way, you’ve pushed the relevance of your argument to 
the wayside.



..
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
























































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Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

thanks, darco



Lalevic, Darco wrote:

Sure, as Glenn points out, numerous attempts to paint the
neighborhood as a wild, out of control neighborhood that
UCD and associated entities have now made safe.

I disagree with UCD taking on an enforcement roll of any
kind. I disagree with the entire Clark Park
revitalization plan. I think it's wasteful at the least,
and at worse, part of an effort to "clean up" the park to
make it more appealing to the gentrification of the
neighborhood and push certain people out. The structure
of the UCD is designed to advocate for the corporate
entities (and while, yes, it's their money mostly, the
net effect is the general public is left out of
decisions).


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Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

Lalevic, Darco wrote:

I too am often offended by the bias and misinformation
that is often propagated as marketing for "University
City".



can you cite examples of this?





Sure, I disagree with UCD and FOCP on many issues,



examples?





The fact is, by not engaging the argument in a logical,
academic way, you've pushed the relevance of your
argument to the wayside.



..
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Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[Anthony West]

 A half-hour ago, on a cool, gray fall afternoon, I observed 15 
inner-city kids playing on the new basketball court, 12 kids playing on 
the new older-kids playground, 6 kids playing on the new totlot -- all 
fruits of the Clark Park Revitalization Plan. Different people hold 
different priorities, but in general, I don't think it's wasteful to 
direct a little public investment toward inner-city kids every 40 years 
or so.


I never ask strange children if they are gentry or not, but I also saw 
no evidence today that certain people have, in fact, been pushed out of 
the park, just because it's been improved. My friends in the Woodland 
Avenue Reunion like the way the park has been upgraded. A better park 
attracts people from all over West Philadelphia, every day.


Completely "ungentrified" West Philadelphia neighborhoods, like those 
around Clara Muhammad Park and Carroll Park, have also lobbied 
successfully for public investments in these public spaces in recent 
years. Should our neighborhood avoid doing likewise, solely out of fear 
of committing gentrification?


-- Tony West



Lalevic, Darco wrote:

I disagree with the entire Clark Park
revitalization plan. I think it's wasteful at the least,
and at worse, part of an effort to "clean up" the park to
make it more appealing to the gentrification of the
neighborhood and push certain people out.





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Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

more:

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/article/map-shows-race-division-philadelphia


Map shows race division in Philadelphia
New map detailing racial breakdown shows de facto segregation, even in 
University City
Monday, October 4, 2010
by MK Kleva


excerpt:


While the Civil Rights Act abolished segregation 46 years
ago, a new map of Philadelphia serves as a reminder that
racial separation still exists around the city, even near
Penn’s campus.

The map, created by Eric Fischer on photo-sharing
site Flickr.com, uses Census 2000 data to demonstrate the
racial makeup of the city. The map shows most
neighborhoods are dominated by a single racial group.

...

Rory Kramer, a sixth-year sociology doctoral student,
researches segregation patterns in Philadelphia. “Penn
has successfully gentrified westward,” he said, with more
white and fewer black individuals living in the area.

He said that while more white people now live around
Penn, it is not necessarily indicative of integration.
For the newcomers, it is a pleasant place to live because
there are more stores and activities for them, he said.
However, for the small number of black West
Philadelphians still living near Penn, friends and
neighbors have moved away along with their businesses and
neighborhood dynamic.

Charles attributed some of this change to the University
encouraging faculty and staff to live closer to campus in
University City and Spruce Hill. Nevertheless, she said
diversity in University City is minimal in relation to
the predominantly black population in West Philadelphia.






UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:

thanks, darco



Lalevic, Darco wrote:

Sure, as Glenn points out, numerous attempts to paint the
neighborhood as a wild, out of control neighborhood that
UCD and associated entities have now made safe.

I disagree with UCD taking on an enforcement roll of any
kind. I disagree with the entire Clark Park
revitalization plan. I think it's wasteful at the least,
and at worse, part of an effort to "clean up" the park to
make it more appealing to the gentrification of the
neighborhood and push certain people out. The structure
of the UCD is designed to advocate for the corporate
entities (and while, yes, it's their money mostly, the
net effect is the general public is left out of
decisions).


-Original Message- From:
owner-univc...@list.purple.com
[mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On Behalf Of
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:07
AM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Clark
Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

Lalevic, Darco wrote:

I too am often offended by the bias and misinformation
that is often propagated as marketing for "University
City".



can you cite examples of this?





Sure, I disagree with UCD and FOCP on many issues,



examples?





The fact is, by not engaging the argument in a logical,
academic way, you've pushed the relevance of your
argument to the wayside.



..
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN












































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RE: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

[Lalevic, Darco]

Tony,

That's wonderful to hear - and I would assume the end result is a better park 
that gets more use. I disagree more so with the immense public expenditure on a 
park that I, at least, view as pretty darn nice, considering the state of most 
of this city. But yes, you are correct, if the money is going to get spent 
anyway, it's up to the neighborhood to get what it can. And no, the 
neighborhood shouldn't avoid solely out of fear of gentrification, but should 
be aware that there are people out there (in general) who intentionally or not 
push for changes.

Darco

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Behalf Of Anthony West
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 3:21 PM
To: UnivCity listserv
Subject: Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR

  A half-hour ago, on a cool, gray fall afternoon, I observed 15 inner-city 
kids playing on the new basketball court, 12 kids playing on the new older-kids 
playground, 6 kids playing on the new totlot -- all fruits of the Clark Park 
Revitalization Plan. Different people hold different priorities, but in 
general, I don't think it's wasteful to direct a little public investment 
toward inner-city kids every 40 years or so.

I never ask strange children if they are gentry or not, but I also saw no 
evidence today that certain people have, in fact, been pushed out of the park, 
just because it's been improved. My friends in the Woodland Avenue Reunion like 
the way the park has been upgraded. A better park attracts people from all over 
West Philadelphia, every day.

Completely "ungentrified" West Philadelphia neighborhoods, like those around 
Clara Muhammad Park and Carroll Park, have also lobbied successfully for public 
investments in these public spaces in recent years. Should our neighborhood 
avoid doing likewise, solely out of fear of committing gentrification?

-- Tony West


> Lalevic, Darco wrote:
>> I disagree with the entire Clark Park revitalization plan. I think 
>> it's wasteful at the least, and at worse, part of an effort to "clean 
>> up" the park to make it more appealing to the gentrification of the 
>> neighborhood and push certain people out.
>


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Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR - and your rights are?

[Craigsolve]

In a message dated 9/24/2010 12:37:39 Eastern Daylight Time,  
glen...@earthlink.net writes:

... speak up against ...the forces ... and strip them of their  rights 
In the end you know what we do with guys like you, who know their rights,  
and refuse to accept they're wrongs?
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-z44dVBU64_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-z44dVBU64) 
 
Is that a John Deere parked in the rear of your Baltimore Ave gentleman's  
ranchette?

Ciao,
 
Craig

Re: [UC] Clark Park: Power and secrecy was the goal, UCR - and your rights are?

[Glenn]

Craig,

You will get a good deal of pleasure from this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmByfTKKUV4&NR=1&feature=fvwp




On 9/24/2010 5:34 PM, craigso...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 9/24/2010 12:37:39 Eastern Daylight Time, 
glen...@earthlink.net writes:


... speak up against ...the forces ... and strip them of their rights 

In the end you know what we do with guys like you, who know their 
rights, and refuse to accept they're wrongs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-z44dVBU64
Is that a John Deere parked in the rear of your Baltimore Ave 
gentleman's ranchette?


Ciao,
Craig



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