Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins
Indeed so - and until/unless they do, there is a big hole in LiveCode's web deployment capability - and it'll only going to get bigger and affect more platforms if Windows 8 / IE10 does go down the no-plugins route. However, maybe they don't need to 'boil the whole ocean at once'. Whilst it would be great to simply deploy full-blown, native stacks as complete rich web apps, there are constraints imposed by the browser as a platform. So, is there any merit in starting with the basics - support for static LiveCode cards as forms? Could where specific cards in a LiveCode server stack be enabled with a subset of UI controls (with maybe a restricted property set in this context) and be embedded within HTML page template code elsewhere on the server? If moving parts were ignored (initially) don't most properties of LiveCode cards, fields, buttons, menus, images mapped to HTML and CSS parameters? Could JSON be used for custom properties? Could a set of standardised, minimal, Javascript utilities be used as client-side glue - maybe a RunRev jQuery library? Could the new cookies be used with this library to manage client states? Could moving parts be added subsequently with additional mappings of (a subset of LiveCode features) to standardised HTML, jQuery and Ajax? Obviously, any technical architect reading the above will realise that I've no idea what I'm talking about ;-) However, this it seems less than impossible - and with a modular KISS approach, some aspects seem relatively easy (at least to state the requirements!) But even if it isn't easy, if RunRev don't grasp the nettle on this, developers who must deploy standards-based rich apps into cloud and locked-down Enterprise environments will be forced elsewhere, which would be a shame. Best, Keith.. On 21 Sep 2011, at 23:53, Chipp Walters wrote: Yeah, it's certainly the mothership would have to take on... On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: Chipp, I tried doing something similar but the one point that I could not solve was how to maintain state for the different clients. Unless I converted everything to JS, then it was basically impossible. :-( Cheers andre On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: http://www.realsoftware.com/web/ Looks to me like it compiles to a binary CGI which serves up the app as HTML/CSS/AJAX/Javascript/etc.. o. That's the solution for LC. Wouldn't it be cool to develop a modular website engine, which could easily be configured inside of RR? Or, take a really cool app, and put it on your server, accessible for anyone with a browser, including iPhone, Android, Chromebook, Linux, Windows 8.9 and 10? And-- not have to worry about stupid AppStores? o. -- Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins
Keith, Le 22 sept. 2011 à 09:56, Keith Clarke a écrit : Obviously, any technical architect reading the above will realise that I've no idea what I'm talking about ;-) The only constraint to get in mind to achieve your proposal in a clean and rock-solid way is that the stack's to html+dom+js+css translated component will by definition become a multi-users application and this is what makes this project a little more complex - but full doable ! - task than just having simple stack's cards converted to html+dom+js+css widgets. However, this it seems less than impossible - and with a modular KISS approach, some aspects seem relatively easy (at least to state the requirements!) But even if it isn't easy, if RunRev don't grasp the nettle on this, developers who must deploy standards-based rich apps into cloud and locked-down Enterprise environments will be forced elsewhere, which would be a shame. Again, this project is suitable in using LC to build the needed framework but this will need some time and invests to achieve the project in the needed professional-grade way. Best, Keith.. Best, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins
Thanks for the sense-check Pierre - good to know that the concept isn't pure fantasy! :-) Yes, there is some complexity, but given what the RunRev team are achieving with the engine, iOS and Android ports and LiveCode Server, I'm certain that they could solve this - given the appropriate awareness, appetite, capacity and business case to act. My point is that RunRev wouldn't necessarily need to sell-off the family silver to fund development of a basic, useful, standards-based web deployment toolkit - one that wouldn't take forever to realise. Best Keith.. On 22 Sep 2011, at 11:18, Pierre Sahores wrote: Keith, Le 22 sept. 2011 à 09:56, Keith Clarke a écrit : Obviously, any technical architect reading the above will realise that I've no idea what I'm talking about ;-) The only constraint to get in mind to achieve your proposal in a clean and rock-solid way is that the stack's to html+dom+js+css translated component will by definition become a multi-users application and this is what makes this project a little more complex - but full doable ! - task than just having simple stack's cards converted to html+dom+js+css widgets. However, this it seems less than impossible - and with a modular KISS approach, some aspects seem relatively easy (at least to state the requirements!) But even if it isn't easy, if RunRev don't grasp the nettle on this, developers who must deploy standards-based rich apps into cloud and locked-down Enterprise environments will be forced elsewhere, which would be a shame. Again, this project is suitable in using LC to build the needed framework but this will need some time and invests to achieve the project in the needed professional-grade way. Best, Keith.. Best, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins
If only the web deployment module could output to either Ajax, Air, Flex or HTML5 this would no longer be an issue. Mike On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:44:02 +0100, Keith Clarke wrote: Thanks for the sense-check Pierre - good to know that the concept isn't pure fantasy! :-) Yes, there is some complexity, but given what the RunRev team are achieving with the engine, iOS and Android ports and LiveCode Server, I'm certain that they could solve this - given the appropriate awareness, appetite, capacity and business case to act. My point is that RunRev wouldn't necessarily need to sell-off the family silver to fund development of a basic, useful, standards-based web deployment toolkit - one that wouldn't take forever to realise. Best Keith.. On 22 Sep 2011, at 11:18, Pierre Sahores wrote: Keith, Le 22 sept. 2011 à 09:56, Keith Clarke a écrit : Obviously, any technical architect reading the above will realise that I've no idea what I'm talking about ;-) The only constraint to get in mind to achieve your proposal in a clean and rock-solid way is that the stack's to html+dom+js+css translated component will by definition become a multi-users application and this is what makes this project a little more complex - but full doable ! - task than just having simple stack's cards converted to html+dom+js+css widgets. However, this it seems less than impossible - and with a modular KISS approach, some aspects seem relatively easy (at least to state the requirements!) But even if it isn't easy, if RunRev don't grasp the nettle on this, developers who must deploy standards-based rich apps into cloud and locked-down Enterprise environments will be forced elsewhere, which would be a shame. Again, this project is suitable in using LC to build the needed framework but this will need some time and invests to achieve the project in the needed professional-grade way. ww seil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com [1] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode [2] Links: -- [1] mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com [2] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins
...the issue is that there is currently no LiveCode web deployment module - there's only the proprietary, thick-client, LiveCode Player browser plugin, with its specific OS and browser dependencies. Hopefully, the RunRev team won't replace their Player with alternative proprietary thick-client technologies (such as Air or Flex). This would seem a retrograde step, especially when these competitor's technologies also face the challenge of supporting non-desktop web client devices, with smarter browsers, richer standards-based technologies to hand and pressure on plugins. This seems to be shaping-up like most technology trends over the last few decades - the early days of proprietary technology innovation (and lock-in) eventually get supplanted by the chasing pack that gang-up and force market consolidation onto more open standards. In this case the 'VHS' seems to be HTML5/CSS/Javascript. Those who don't adopt or adapt, will retrench back into niches markets or fall by the wayside. So, it will be interesting to see what the RunRev team have to say on this matter when they eventually break the silence on their web deployment plans. They have been very quiet in this area, though LiveCode Server did slip out into general release under the covering fire of all the iOS and Android 'there's gold in them there hills' announcements. Who knows, LiveCode server might just prove to be a vital component in the web deployment strategy. The one certainty is that the LiveCode Player is now showing its age and is in urgent need of overhaul or replacement. It would be surprising (and somewhat disappointing) if there isn't something better being cooked-up. Best, Keith.. On 22 Sep 2011, at 14:04, Admin wrote: If only the web deployment module could output to either Ajax, Air, Flex or HTML5 this would no longer be an issue. Mike ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins
Keith Clarke wrote: But even if it isn't easy, if RunRev don't grasp the nettle on this, developers who must deploy standards-based rich apps into cloud and locked-down Enterprise environments will be forced elsewhere, which would be a shame. I wrote about this last year: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2011-June/157979.html Like too many of my posts that's a long one, but it represents pretty much everything I came up with that's relevant to the discussion, and I've been thinking about this a long time since two of my biggest projects are all about the web and are based in LiveCode. In short: There are two sides to this, client and server. On the server side RunRev has already provided what may be the most cost-effective solution for that with RevServer. But the client is a whole other game, fully immersed not only in a very different language but also in a deeply well-defined object model that, in many respects, bears little resemblance to LiveCode's. We use LiveCode because a good scripting language lets us build things more quickly than we could do in a lower-level language like C. But JavaScript is not a low-level language. It's almost as high-level as LiveCode, and as well integrated into the object model it supports as LiveCode is with its own. But the object models are very different. Attempting full translation of LiveCode to JavaScript would not be impossible, but very expensive. IMO, when you consider the limitations inherent in such a task, it's probably much more expensive than just learning JavaScript. That said, there are many opportunities for using LiveCode to generate some portions of the client-side experience for the web. A starting point was outlined here in 2006: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2006-June/083956.html I haven't used the RB/web implementation, but I'd be surprised if it did full RB-JavaScript translation; my guess is that the server side is very much like RevServer and the client side is like the ToolBook approach I outlined in 2006. We can have that too, and we needn't wait for anything from RunRev - anyone with sufficient time and motivation can build this today. But somewhere along the way you'll eventually find limitations between what LiveCode can do on the desktop and what a translation to a different object model will be able to do on the web. There's more to apps than forms. And for those you'll want to use JavaScript. Fortunately, it's kinda fun to learn and there are orders of magnitude more resources for that than we have for all the things we've learned about LiveCode. Dive in, the water's fine. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: DataGrid deployment/version
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Thomas livecode.l...@gmail.comwrote: If we update the revDataGridLibrary stack in this project, do we need to worry about existing datagrids being compatible with the new library? I am not aware of any backward compatibility issues. That doesn't mean you shouldn't test though :-) And where can we consult the release notes for the latest datagrid library? Go to Help Release Notes to open the release notes pdf file. Search for Datagrid and you will find the release notes. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins
Hello Richard, Le 22 sept. 2011 à 16:39, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Attempting full translation of LiveCode to JavaScript would not be impossible, but very expensive. IMO, when you consider the limitations inherent in such a task, it's probably much more expensive than just learning JavaScript. To stay full compliant with the best client-side JS libs (JQuey, MooTools, Prototype, Sliderman, etc...), i expect that a direct map from the LC client-side code to javascript would not be the most economical way to go. I would prefer instead to have (1) the LC client-side code mapped to the LC server-side code and (2) the LC server-side code mapped to HTML template's blocks (stored on the server's file system to stay updatable on demand) where (3) only those HTML template's blocks would have to be linked to JS/Ajax libs. This design purpose is the way widestep.fr is build on. Hope that my sad english is, at least, readable on the main idea ;-) Best regards, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: DataGrid deployment/version
I searched the release notes and found references to two commands that are not mentioned anywhere in the Datagrid documentation: DeleteFieldEditorAndOpenNext and dgResetList. Are there any plans to update the documentation to show details of these commands and how to use them? Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.comwrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Thomas livecode.l...@gmail.com wrote: If we update the revDataGridLibrary stack in this project, do we need to worry about existing datagrids being compatible with the new library? I am not aware of any backward compatibility issues. That doesn't mean you shouldn't test though :-) And where can we consult the release notes for the latest datagrid library? Go to Help Release Notes to open the release notes pdf file. Search for Datagrid and you will find the release notes. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: DataGrid deployment/version
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: I searched the release notes and found references to two commands that are not mentioned anywhere in the Datagrid documentation: DeleteFieldEditorAndOpenNext and dgResetList. Are there any plans to update the documentation to show details of these commands and how to use them? You would need to ask RunRev about that. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: DataGrid deployment/version
There are a number of things not mentioned in the datagrid docs that can prove useful. If you edit the script of the behavior of group yourdatagridhere you will find are all kinds of little routines in there. You can probably gain a really good understanding of how a datagrid works by tracing your way through the datagrid in the debugger. The best way to experiment is to copy the script to a button in your stack, and then set the behavior of your datagrid to that button. Then you can poke around, set breakpoints and really gain a fuller knowledge of how datagrids work internally, if you are so inclined. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: I searched the release notes and found references to two commands that are not mentioned anywhere in the Datagrid documentation: DeleteFieldEditorAndOpenNext and dgResetList. Are there any plans to update the documentation to show details of these commands and how to use them? You would need to ask RunRev about that. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: DataGrid deployment/version
Thanks Trevor. It's difficult to know who is responsible for which parts of the datagrid. I assumed because the docs are on the Blue Mango web site that you looked after them but I will query RR about it. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.comwrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: I searched the release notes and found references to two commands that are not mentioned anywhere in the Datagrid documentation: DeleteFieldEditorAndOpenNext and dgResetList. Are there any plans to update the documentation to show details of these commands and how to use them? You would need to ask RunRev about that. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: DataGrid deployment/version
I don't really care how datagrids work internally, I just want commands/functions that are available to developers to be documented otherwise it's pretty much a waste of time having them there. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: There are a number of things not mentioned in the datagrid docs that can prove useful. If you edit the script of the behavior of group yourdatagridhere you will find are all kinds of little routines in there. You can probably gain a really good understanding of how a datagrid works by tracing your way through the datagrid in the debugger. The best way to experiment is to copy the script to a button in your stack, and then set the behavior of your datagrid to that button. Then you can poke around, set breakpoints and really gain a fuller knowledge of how datagrids work internally, if you are so inclined. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: I searched the release notes and found references to two commands that are not mentioned anywhere in the Datagrid documentation: DeleteFieldEditorAndOpenNext and dgResetList. Are there any plans to update the documentation to show details of these commands and how to use them? You would need to ask RunRev about that. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: DataGrid deployment/version
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: Thanks Trevor. It's difficult to know who is responsible for which parts of the datagrid. I assumed because the docs are on the Blue Mango web site that you looked after them but I will query RR about it. The official docs are on RunRev's website at http://lessons.runrev.com. They were originally on my site but then moved over to RunRev. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: DataGrid deployment/version
Got it, thanks. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.comwrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: Thanks Trevor. It's difficult to know who is responsible for which parts of the datagrid. I assumed because the docs are on the Blue Mango web site that you looked after them but I will query RR about it. The official docs are on RunRev's website at http://lessons.runrev.com. They were originally on my site but then moved over to RunRev. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: URLStatus(tURL) doesn't work anymore since LC 4.5.1!?
Very cool! I will keep that in mind over here. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com On Sep 21, 2011, at 2:15 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hi Mark, thanks for your idea! Finally I found out that there is a slight difference in processing the urlstatus between Rev 4.0 and LC 4.5 and up After fireing the load url I checked all possible urlstatus, including status = empty, which officially means the URL was not loaded. But up to Rev 4.0 I never got empty and so empty was the same as error and in the consequence I stopped my procedure. Since LC 4.5 it seems, that the status starts for a very short time with empty (what it defiantly hasn't done up to 4.0), after it fires any other status. So I just removed (and ignore) the checking of empty and so the processing runs the same as before. Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Talluto Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. September 2011 06:11 An: How to use LiveCode Betreff: Re: URLStatus(tURL) doesn't work anymore since LC 4.5.1!? Hi Tiemo, Try: libURLSetStatusCallback Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello, by incident I found, that something has change with load URL / urlStatus() between Revolution 4.0 and LC 4.5.1/4.6.3 I have an update mechanism in my software with this asynchronous load URL since Rev 2.7 and now the urlstatus() is empty, with the consequence that my update routine stops and my updates don't work anymore. I searched for urlstatus, but didn't find any notice. What did I miss? What has changed with LC 4.5? Has anybody else this experienced? Any help or hint highly appreciated Tiemo ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
OT Help re Mac SideBar
Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Dragging it out of the sidebar does not work? Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Hi Joe, I could try to give you some ideas, but you have probably tried that already. So, what have you tried so far, that we shouldn't bother you with anymore? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 See what you get with only a small contribution. All our LiveCode downloads are listed at http://qery.us/zr On 22 sep 2011, at 23:23, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Thanks Bob, but that doesn't work; even while holding down any combination of keys. Joe Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Dragging it out of the sidebar does not work? Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Check out: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3008672?start=0tstart=0 It seems to indicate that command-drag the icon should work and there's also a work round involving trashing the finder plist file. Hope that helps. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Thanks Pete. Trashing the Finder pList sounds promising once I find it. (smile). I already tried the command/drag bit. NG. Joe Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Pete wrote: Check out: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3008672?start=0tstart=0 It seems to indicate that command-drag the icon should work and there's also a work round involving trashing the finder plist file. Hope that helps. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Joe Open a terminal window. Navigate to your user preferences folder using cd ~/Library/Preferences. type open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist. (I use PListEdit Pro so it's easy for me but TextEdit will also work if you are careful.) Under Root/useritems/CustomListItems inspect each key to find the offending key. Delete it. Reboot. I googled how. You can also just delete the plist file and the Finder will give you a fresh one when you reboot, but none of your other shortcuts will be there. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Thanks Bob, but that doesn't work; even while holding down any combination of keys. Joe Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Dragging it out of the sidebar does not work? Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
BTW You might just check to see what your permissions to the file are. If you do not have Read/Write to that file, then something got hosed somewhere and repairing permissions is in order. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Thanks Bob, but that doesn't work; even while holding down any combination of keys. Joe Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Dragging it out of the sidebar does not work? Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Thanks Bob. You've got my head spinning. (smile) Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: BTW You might just check to see what your permissions to the file are. If you do not have Read/Write to that file, then something got hosed somewhere and repairing permissions is in order. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Thanks Bob, but that doesn't work; even while holding down any combination of keys. Joe Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Dragging it out of the sidebar does not work? Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Terminal says it doesn't exist. I tried it a couple of times. Last login: Thu Sep 22 14:44:59 on ttys000 ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Joe, that is not where the file is. The ~ in the path I gave you means Current User's Profile Folder. So the path to the file is in ~/Library/Preferences. That is why I said to type in a terminal window: cd ~/LibraryPreferences cd mean Change Directory. If you like, go to the Finder Menu and select Go To Folder... from the Go menu and in the dialog box type ~/Library/Preferences. You can just find and delete the file from there. Might be simpler for you. Nowadays it seems OS vendors want to hide the file system from the end user, with the result that the average user has absolutely no idea where things are. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Terminal says it doesn't exist. I tried it a couple of times. Last login: Thu Sep 22 14:44:59 on ttys000 ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Bob, I trashed the pList as you suggested. On restarting a new one was created, but the item I was trying to eliminate was there again, so I recovered the old pList from the trash. Any chance I should have dumped the trash before restarting? Joe On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Joe Open a terminal window. Navigate to your user preferences folder using cd ~/Library/Preferences. type open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist. (I use PListEdit Pro so it's easy for me but TextEdit will also work if you are careful.) Under Root/useritems/CustomListItems inspect each key to find the offending key. Delete it. Reboot. I googled how. You can also just delete the plist file and the Finder will give you a fresh one when you reboot, but none of your other shortcuts will be there. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Thanks Bob, but that doesn't work; even while holding down any combination of keys. Joe Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Dragging it out of the sidebar does not work? Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
[OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come
Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484 Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Thanks Bob. You are so right, and I'm reluctant to move anything for fear of screwing up the natural order. I did locate Finder's pList, finally, but my sidebar still has the item I'm trying to eliminate. It must be someplace. I'll diddle around a bit and maybe find the problem. It may have to do with back-ups in other places. Sometimes I can't get LC to play nice either. Everyone wants control of my computer Longing for the old and simpler days. Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect and Director of Product Development 760-738-1721 On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Joe, that is not where the file is. The ~ in the path I gave you means Current User's Profile Folder. So the path to the file is in ~/Library/Preferences. That is why I said to type in a terminal window: cd ~/LibraryPreferences cd mean Change Directory. If you like, go to the Finder Menu and select Go To Folder... from the Go menu and in the dialog box type ~/Library/Preferences. You can just find and delete the file from there. Might be simpler for you. Nowadays it seems OS vendors want to hide the file system from the end user, with the result that the average user has absolutely no idea where things are. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Terminal says it doesn't exist. I tried it a couple of times. Last login: Thu Sep 22 14:44:59 on ttys000 ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Hey guys, I may have trashed the wrong pList; fortunately I did replace it later on. Now I'll look for the right one and it'll probably work OK. I'll let you know. Tanks, Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Pete wrote: The file should be in the /Library/Preferences folder of your home group. Use the Finder to see if it's there. I guess it may be different depending on which version of OS X you are using. I would be VERY careful trying to edit any plist file with Textedit. They used to be straight text files but Apple now has some special binary format of them which makes it difficult to edit them with a text editor. As Bob mentioned, there are some plist editor programs around and I'll bet there's a free one if you search. You can take a peek at the contents of the file by using the Quick Look option when right clicking the file in the Finder. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Terminal says it doesn't exist. I tried it a couple of times. Last login: Thu Sep 22 14:44:59 on ttys000 ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Nope. The system will not look in the trash for a file it needs. This is very odd. I am not aware of any other place where the Finder keeps those preferences. Just for kicks and grins, try creating a new account and then log into it. Does that sidebar show you the same file? If so, then it is something in the system itself that is doing that to you. Can you send me a screen shot of a finder window with the new prefs file? Perhaps I can deduce by elimination what part of your system the shortcut is pointing to. It may be a standard item that cannot be deleted, but the original has been moved or deleted. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Bob, I trashed the pList as you suggested. On restarting a new one was created, but the item I was trying to eliminate was there again, so I recovered the old pList from the trash. Any chance I should have dumped the trash before restarting? Joe On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Joe Open a terminal window. Navigate to your user preferences folder using cd ~/Library/Preferences. type open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist. (I use PListEdit Pro so it's easy for me but TextEdit will also work if you are careful.) Under Root/useritems/CustomListItems inspect each key to find the offending key. Delete it. Reboot. I googled how. You can also just delete the plist file and the Finder will give you a fresh one when you reboot, but none of your other shortcuts will be there. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Thanks Bob, but that doesn't work; even while holding down any combination of keys. Joe Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Dragging it out of the sidebar does not work? Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Fixed, got rid of it along with a lot of other stuff I really didn't use much any more. So, good! Thanks Fellas! Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Pete wrote: The file should be in the /Library/Preferences folder of your home group. Use the Finder to see if it's there. I guess it may be different depending on which version of OS X you are using. I would be VERY careful trying to edit any plist file with Textedit. They used to be straight text files but Apple now has some special binary format of them which makes it difficult to edit them with a text editor. As Bob mentioned, there are some plist editor programs around and I'll bet there's a free one if you search. You can take a peek at the contents of the file by using the Quick Look option when right clicking the file in the Finder. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Terminal says it doesn't exist. I tried it a couple of times. Last login: Thu Sep 22 14:44:59 on ttys000 ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come
A professing themselves to be wise... Seems that either their measurements were inaccurate, or else relativity theory must be revised. Not surprising though because as I understand the state of affairs today, certain things are not adding up. When I was a kid, the neutron (or was it the electron) was the smallest particle of matter. We are WAAAY beyond that now. It's almost like that last scene in MIB II where they open a locker door in their locker room, and an entire other world lies behind it. Maybe if we could look close enough we would find there is life on other sub-atomic particles. :-) Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484 Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar
Hi Joe, Sorry this is still not working. What version of OS X are you on? I've seen numerous references to using command-drag to get rid of these orphaned sidebar icons so not sure why it's not working for you. I just tried it on my Mac and it worked fine ( OS X 10.6.8) Just to be clear - position the mouse over the icon, hold down the command key, hold down the mouse button, keep holding down the mouse button and the command key while dragging the icon out of the sidebar. Good luck! Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Thanks Bob. You are so right, and I'm reluctant to move anything for fear of screwing up the natural order. I did locate Finder's pList, finally, but my sidebar still has the item I'm trying to eliminate. It must be someplace. I'll diddle around a bit and maybe find the problem. It may have to do with back-ups in other places. Sometimes I can't get LC to play nice either. Everyone wants control of my computer Longing for the old and simpler days. Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect and Director of Product Development 760-738-1721 On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Joe, that is not where the file is. The ~ in the path I gave you means Current User's Profile Folder. So the path to the file is in ~/Library/Preferences. That is why I said to type in a terminal window: cd ~/LibraryPreferences cd mean Change Directory. If you like, go to the Finder Menu and select Go To Folder... from the Go menu and in the dialog box type ~/Library/Preferences. You can just find and delete the file from there. Might be simpler for you. Nowadays it seems OS vendors want to hide the file system from the end user, with the result that the average user has absolutely no idea where things are. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Terminal says it doesn't exist. I tried it a couple of times. Last login: Thu Sep 22 14:44:59 on ttys000 ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come
So can we all finally concede that just because someone has bad teeth and unkempt hair, it does not mean he's smart?? glances at self in the mirror Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484 Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come
where is the subatomic police to give speeding tickets to those silly youngster particles... On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: So can we all finally concede that just because someone has bad teeth and unkempt hair, it does not mean he's smart?? glances at self in the mirror Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484 Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come
Scott- Thursday, September 22, 2011, 3:36:50 PM, you wrote: Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light. I sense the hand of Jacque in this... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come
They can't catch them... Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: where is the subatomic police to give speeding tickets to those silly youngster particles... On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: So can we all finally concede that just because someone has bad teeth and unkempt hair, it does not mean he's smart?? glances at self in the mirror Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484 Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come
I love this stuff! Throughout history, scientific discoveries have rocked everyones beliefs about the world around us. Now we may be on the brink of another such event which is hugely exciting to me and a privilege to be living through it. It may all turn out to be a calculation error but let's not assume that is the case. The world of subatomic particles is very strange (or charmed, or left or right or up or down) and even if this turns out to be true, it may not have any bearing on Newtonian physics. I can't remember which physicist said this or the exact wording, but the gist of it was that anyone who says they understand subatomic particles clearly doesn't know anything about them. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Scott- Thursday, September 22, 2011, 3:36:50 PM, you wrote: Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light. I sense the hand of Jacque in this... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
