Re: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures

[FlexibleLearning.com]

Whilst working in the garden I called to my wife "What time is it?" to which
she yelled... "Lunch will be ready when I'm ready!"

Marriage, huh?

:-)

Hugh Senior
FLCo


> -Original Message-> From: Bob Sneidar

> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Subject: Re: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> 
> Reminds me a lot of a trip I took with my Dad and Stepmom around the big
> island of Hawaii. I would hear her say something that barely registered
with
> me, but my Dad seemed to immediately act upon it. After watching this
> interaction for a bit, I realized she was speaking in a kind of code, and
he was
> interpreting it, and doing a damd good job of it too, although she would
> probably have disagreed about that.
> 
> I brought it up to him later, and he confirmed that this was exactly what
was
> going on. He had learned to do this over the years he had been with her.
She
> would make vague references to things, and it was his responsibility to
> interpret correctly that she wanted him to do or say something very
specific.
> And he?d better get it right too, or there would be words later, and the
> words would be more code he had to interpret correctly, or else things
> would just go downhill from there.
> 
> I expressed that this was really difficult for me as it left so much room
for
> misunderstandings, and the stress of always having to be on my guard about
> those little subtleties would be too much for me to deal with on a daily
basis.
> He told me that I had better never marry then. I?ve taken his advice. :-)
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 14:13 , Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
> > Some cross-cultural issues:
> >
> >  cultures/>



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Re: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures

[Dave Cragg]

On 27 Feb 2014, at 08:59, FlexibleLearning.com  
wrote:

> Whilst working in the garden 

And how should we interpret that, Hugh? 
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Why is everybody better than me?

[Mats Wilstrand]

When I get older I would very much like to learn how to post correctly to
this list. You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're
answering included in your answer. I do! I will consider all of you that are
willing to share this secret with me to be kind persons.

Kind regards
Mats


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Re: Why is everybody better than me?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Mats,

(Almost?) all e-mail clients have an option to quote the message that is 
being answered. If you check this option in the preferences of your 
client, the previous message will be included automatically.


Usually, you can also choose whether the previous message should be 
before (above) or after (below) your own text. Personally, I prefer to 
read quoted messages below the answer, because that doesn't force me to 
scroll down to the new reply in every single e-mail.


If you are using webmail, things may be slightly more complicated. Not 
every webmail system has the same options and they are not always called 
the same. E.g. Yahoo has quoting turned of by default, because they want 
you to use their threading system. There is a way to turned it on, but I 
don't recall how. I never use webmail.


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On 2/27/2014 13:36, Mats Wilstrand wrote:

When I get older I would very much like to learn how to post correctly to
this list. You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're
answering included in your answer. I do! I will consider all of you that are
willing to share this secret with me to be kind persons.

Kind regards
Mats



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Re: Why is everybody better than me?

[Dave Kilroy]

Mats Wilstrand-2 wrote
> You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're
> answering included in your answer. 

Hi Mats! I find it MUCH easier to post to the use list via
http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
there are nice tools to manage quoting and everything - come and join the
dark side :)



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Re: Grouping controls within a group

[Björnke von Gierke]

You can also use the "start / stop editing" command while locking the screen. 
Basic testing shows it that just messing with relayerGroupedControls doesn't 
help... Could be nice if that'd be possible. Until then, the following works:

on mouseUp
   lock screen
   start editing group 1
   group button 1 and button 2
   stop editing
end mouseUp

On 27.02.2014, at 00:58, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> I have a need to group controls within an existing group into a subgroup by
> script, but I get a runtime error when trying to do that - in 6.5.2 the
> message is "Object cannot be grouped".
> 
> Any ideas on how to do that?  The only way I can think of is to ungroup the
> main group, group the selected controls to form the subgroup, then group
> the subgroup and the rest of the controls to reinstate the main group, but
> that's pretty scary!
> 
> 
> Pete
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Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

[Trevor DeVore]

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Terence Heaford
wrote:

> repeatRate is clearly working because if i raise it significantly
> everything slows to a crawl but honestly
> I can't notice much difference between 50 and 10 or 0  with my 1700
> records.
>
> Perhaps it's time to give this one up and put up with it, unless you have
> any other ideas.
>

Not at the moment.

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Re: Why is everybody better than me?

[wilstrand]

Thanks Dave!

I've joined the dark side. Life is looking so much brighter now. :)

Best
Mats



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Re: Wolfram language

[Jim Hurley]

> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:35:12 -0800
> From: Richard Gaskin 
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Wolfram language
> Message-ID: <530e25d0.5030...@fourthworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Jim Hurley wrote:
> 
>> And, Richard, as a petty aside, that formula and graph in the forum you cite 
>> don?t ?compute.?
> 
> Not petty at all.  It's just one more reason we love having you in this 
> community:  you help keep our math straight.
> 
> 
>> But there is another significant difference between LC and what one might 
>> achieve in the new
>> Wolfram-enabled LC.  One cannot plot a truly smooth curve in LC. The curve 
>> is always a set
>> of line segments joining a set of discrete points. It is similar to the 
>> difference between
>> bit map and vector graphics.
> 
> Hopefully that can change now that LiveCode uses the Skia library for 
> its graphics primitives.  If memory serves Skia supports Beziers - could 
> those be used for what you're looking for?

Richard,

Thank you. I'm afraid I really haven't been keeping up. Could you, or any one, 
provide me with an example that shows how to use the Skia library?

Here is an example that illustrates what I mean when I say that LC cannot plot 
a smooth curve. 
It will *plot* a circle and also place a circle of equal size next it using 
LC's graphic tools.
They are close, but the plot shows the pixillation no matter how many points 
one choose for the plot.

Just put this into a button script.

on mouseUp
   if there is no grc "circle" then create grc "Circle"
   set the style of grc "circle" to polygon
   
   set the points of grc "circle" to ""
   put 200 into R  
   put R+10 into  x0   
   put the height of this card /  2 into y0
   
   answer "By what fraction of a degree between steps would you choose?" with 
"1" or "2"  or "3" or "4"
   put it into tFraction
   
  --Draw the circle
  repeat with Ang = 0 to 360*tFraction
  put R* cos(ang*PI/180/tFraction) into x
  put R * sin(Ang*PI/180/tFraction) into y
  put Round(x0 + x), Round(y0+y) & cr after tPoints
   end repeat
   set the points of grc "Circle" to tPoints
   
--Show the oval
   if there is not grc "oval" then 
  create grc "oval"
  set the style of grc "oval" to oval
  set the width of grc "oval" to 2*R
  set the height of grc "oval" to 2*R
  set the loc of grc "Oval" to x0 +2* R + 10, y0
   end if
end mouseUp

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Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

[Terence Heaford]

Out of interest when I close down LiveCode and reopen it
and in the message box type

put the repeatRate, it always comes back at 1 not 50.

Either the Language Guide is wrong and it is reset to 1 and not 50 or the 
default setting has been
changed to 1 and not 50 and the Language Guide is incorrect.

This assumes of course it is reset each time you close LC.

This would explain why I am not seeing much improvement because it was already 
1.

All the best

Terry


On 27 Feb 2014, at 14:19, Trevor DeVore  wrote:

>> repeatRate is clearly working

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Re: Why is everybody better than me?

[wilstrand]

Hi again Dave!
Using the "Quote" function now! I'm like a child, will try to stop now.


Dave Kilroy wrote
> 
> Mats Wilstrand-2 wrote
>> You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're
>> answering included in your answer. 
> Hi Mats! I find it MUCH easier to post to the use list via
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
> there are nice tools to manage quoting and everything - come and join the
> dark side :)





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Re: Wolfram language

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Hurley wrote:

> Could you, or any one, provide me with an example that shows how
> to use the Skia library?

Skia is a 2d library, used in LiveCode to replace the older internal 
subsystem used for drawing.


The good news is that we don't have to do anything to use Skia:  it's 
already there, working every time you render anything to the screen. 
RunRev did such a good job dropping it in that most people didn't notice 
any change at all.


The bad news is that we *can't* (currently) do anything with it from 
scripting:  if you want to use additional capabilities not currently 
supported by the LiveCode language, those would need to be submitted as 
feature requests.


But the good thing about Skia is that many such feature requests are now 
easier for the team to implement than before, since they can rely on the 
capabilities of a library that has many times more developers working on 
it than any small company could afford.


For example, SVG is handled by Skia, so conceivably we could see SVG 
import and export added to LC.  And along with that, since SVG supports 
Beziers, we'll hopefully see that too.


Those types of additions to LiveCode are probably not as high on the 
priority list as the published Kickstarter goals, but achievable with 
Skia once the other priorities are done.


And of course anyone in the community with sufficient time and skills 
could add those capabilities and submit a pull request to have them 
added to the main engine build.


More info on Skia:


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Blogging Policy Revision

[Heather Laine]

Dear List Members,

I'd just like to give you good folks all a heads up. We've just started 
implementing a new policy of actively encouraging our entire team to post tech 
updates to our blog. This means that you should regularly find interesting new 
content there, you might want to bookmark it or make a habit of checking it 
more often than in the past :)

http://livecode.com/blog/

Warm Regards,

Heather

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RE: Blogging Policy Revision

[Mats Wilstrand]

Thanks Heather!  
That's a very good policy. Bookmarked.

Best
Mats

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: den 27 februari 2014 16:18
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Blogging Policy Revision
> 
> Dear List Members,
> 
> I'd just like to give you good folks all a heads up. We've just started
> implementing a new policy of actively encouraging our entire team to post
> tech updates to our blog. This means that you should regularly find
> interesting new content there, you might want to bookmark it or make a
> habit of checking it more often than in the past :)
> 
> http://livecode.com/blog/
> 
> Warm Regards,
> 
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> 
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Re: Wolfram language

[Trevor DeVore]

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

>
> For example, SVG is handled by Skia, so conceivably we could see SVG
> import and export added to LC.  And along with that, since SVG supports
> Beziers, we'll hopefully see that too.
>
> Those types of additions to LiveCode are probably not as high on the
> priority list as the published Kickstarter goals, but achievable with Skia
> once the other priorities are done.
>

Richard,

Good news - "Vector Shape Object" is one of the published Kickstart goals.
The description is: "The new vector shape object will provide rich vector
support, use of SVG and sub pixel drawing accuracy".

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Re: Why is everybody better than me?

[Paul Hibbert]

Hi Mats,

Another useful tip (depending on your preferred email client), is to highlight 
the phrase/sentence/paragraph/etc. that you want to quote before hitting the 
Reply button, the highlighted text should be included in your reply (see below).

I'm using Apple Mail, I've tried other software, but always end up coming back 
to Mail.

Paul

On 2014-02-27, at 4:36 AM, Mats Wilstrand  wrote:

> You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're
> answering included in your answer.


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Re: Wolfram language

[Richard Gaskin]

Trevor DeVore wrote:


Good news - "Vector Shape Object" is one of the published Kickstart goals.
The description is: "The new vector shape object will provide rich vector
support, use of SVG and sub pixel drawing accuracy".


As one of the items in "Queued", below the top three strands, I'm 
looking forward to it but don't expect to see it very soon.


I'd love to be wrong, but I'd love even more to see SFTP and the updated 
player object first.


It seems hopeful, though, given that "Cocoa" is also listed under 
"Queued", but has been the focus of a great deal of effort recently.


Fingers crossed - I want it all by next Tuesday. :)

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RE: Why is everybody better than me?

[Mats Wilstrand]

Thanks Paul, that's a useful tip! Can't seem to get it working on my Outlook
2010 though. Will investigate some more.

Bets
Mats

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> Behalf Of Paul Hibbert
> Sent: den 27 februari 2014 16:52
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Why is everybody better than me?
> 
> Hi Mats,
> 
> Another useful tip (depending on your preferred email client), is to
highlight
> the phrase/sentence/paragraph/etc. that you want to quote before hitting
> the Reply button, the highlighted text should be included in your reply
(see
> below).
> 
> I'm using Apple Mail, I've tried other software, but always end up coming
> back to Mail.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 2014-02-27, at 4:36 AM, Mats Wilstrand 
> wrote:
> 
> > You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're answering
> > included in your answer.
> 
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Re: Grouping controls within a group

[Peter Haworth]

Thanks Bjornke.

I'm nervous about putting a group into and out of edit mode by script
having had some bad experiences with it in the past. Seems like it puts the
stack into a weird and wonderful state where the controls outside of the
edited group no longer exist and any reference to a control that includes
the group name fails. Any script runtime errors stand a chance of
corrupting the stack.

However, your suggestion to lock the screen sounds like it would take care
of my concerns and I'd only be in group edit mode for a few milliseconds so
I'll give this a whirl.  It is less code than the other solutions and I
like that.

Pete
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SQLiteAdmin 


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Björnke von Gierke  wrote:

> You can also use the "start / stop editing" command while locking the
> screen. Basic testing shows it that just messing with
> relayerGroupedControls doesn't help... Could be nice if that'd be possible.
> Until then, the following works:
>
> on mouseUp
>lock screen
>start editing group 1
>group button 1 and button 2
>stop editing
> end mouseUp
>
> On 27.02.2014, at 00:58, Peter Haworth  wrote:
>
> > I have a need to group controls within an existing group into a subgroup
> by
> > script, but I get a runtime error when trying to do that - in 6.5.2 the
> > message is "Object cannot be grouped".
> >
> > Any ideas on how to do that?  The only way I can think of is to ungroup
> the
> > main group, group the selected controls to form the subgroup, then group
> > the subgroup and the rest of the controls to reinstate the main group,
> but
> > that's pretty scary!
> >
> >
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Re: Why is everybody better than me?

[Mats Wilstrand]

Hi Mark!

Turned out I had my List preferences set to only receive a digests! Changed
that to receive a mail for each post now. So I hope next time I answer you,
your message will be included! Thanks for guidance Mark!

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Re: Blogging Policy Revision

[Medard]

Heather Laine  wrote:

> you might want to bookmark

done!

however, how about putting a RSS link, to read this in NetNewsWire, for
instance...

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Re: Near Text Search

[Devin Asay]

Look in User Samples (revOnline) for my "Spelling Matching with Soundex" stack. 
I think I classified it with tags "text" and "algorithm". It's just a 
modification of the basic SoundEx algorithm with a couple of my own 
modifications thrown in.

Devin


On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> I'm still missing it - where can one find Devin's Levenstein function?
> 
> 
> Bob Sneidar:
>> Don’t know how I missed that, thanks.
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 18:50 , Peter Haworth wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> If I remember correctly, Devin has some functions that implement a
>>> Levenstein Distance algorithm which will identify potential misspellings of
>>> a word
> 
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Re: Near Text Search

[Jim Lambert]

BobS wrote:

> That is kind of what I was doing, ... Does that mean I’m a genius?

Instead of Levenshtein Distance, I think we need a Euclidean Distance formula 
to calculate that. ;)
Whenever I run it on myself the result always approaches zero.

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Re: Near Text Search

[Richard Gaskin]

Devin Asay wrote:

> Look in User Samples (revOnline) for my "Spelling Matching with
> Soundex" stack. I think I classified it with tags "text" and
> "algorithm". It's just a modification of the basic SoundEx algorithm
> with a couple of my own modifications thrown in.

Found it - thanks!

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[OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz

[Thierry Douez]

Sleeves up designers :)

http://learn2spritz.com/


Thierry


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Re: Blogging Policy Revision

[Richmond]

On 27/02/14 17:17, Heather Laine wrote:

Dear List Members,

I'd just like to give you good folks all a heads up. We've just started 
implementing a new policy of actively encouraging our entire team to post tech 
updates to our blog. This means that you should regularly find interesting new 
content there, you might want to bookmark it or make a habit of checking it 
more often than in the past :)

http://livecode.com/blog/


Lovely job.



Warm Regards,

Heather

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Re: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz

[Klaus major-k]

Bonsoir Thierry,

Am 27.02.2014 um 19:30 schrieb Thierry Douez :

> Sleeves up designers :)
> 
> http://learn2spritz.com/

cool, I managed 400wpm, even in english :-)

"Spritz" in german is the imperative to the verb "spritzen", which means "to 
squirt" or "to sputter" :-D

> Thierry

Best

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Re: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz

[Pierre Sahores]

Merci Thierry for sharing this link !

Le 27 févr. 2014 à 19:30, Thierry Douez  a écrit :

> Sleeves up designers :)
> 
> http://learn2spritz.com/
> 
> 
> Thierry
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz

[Peter Haworth]

That's pretty amazing Thierry.  It was easy to get my reading speed up to
400wpm.

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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Thierry Douez  wrote:

> Sleeves up designers :)
>
> http://learn2spritz.com/
>
>
> Thierry
>
> 
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> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
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Strange behavior of the IDE?

[Graham Samuel]

I'm trying to debug a sequence of code with some repeat loops and stuff in it. 
I'm using LC 6.5.2 on Apple Mavericks 10.9.1 - but I've just tested this on a 
far older version of LC (5.5.4) and I get the same problem:

I have put a number of breakpoints in the code, and when I start executing it, 
the breakpoints do indeed stop the code running as expected. But then I come to 
a point where the code seems to rush ahead, taking no notice of the 
breakpoints. Specifically, I start tracing before calling a certain function 
with this statement

put myFunction(myParameter) into field "myField"

The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as execution 
moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply. It's as if I'd 
clicked on the 'step over' button in the IDE instead of the 'step into', but I 
haven't. This is entirely repeatable. What did I do wrong? I suppose it may be 
a bug, but I rather dread cutting it down to a simple example. Has anyone any 
idea what is causing this?

TIA

Graham
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Re: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz

[Thierry Douez]

> That's pretty amazing Thierry.
> It was easy to get my reading speed up to 400wpm.
>
> Pete

It's because of your sqlitz-mind.

You can't imagine with my regexitz one :)

More seriously, I'm eager to see some real use of this...
in Livecode!!

Thierry


>> http://learn2spritz.com/



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Re: Strange behavior of the IDE?

[Peter Haworth]

I've experienced this from time to time and it's very frustrating.

Have you tried inserting a "breakpoint" command at the start of your
function rather than a "red dot" breakpoint?

I've sometimes found that the statement following the breakpoint is somehow
syntactically incorrect in a way that isn't caught during compile, which
seems to cause LC to just give up.  Sorry to be so vague but I can't
remember the exact details.

On another occasion, I ended up putting a lock messages command in my code
(when I was in "try anything" mode) which fixed the problem, but I have no
idea why.


Pete
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Graham Samuel  wrote:

> I'm trying to debug a sequence of code with some repeat loops and stuff in
> it. I'm using LC 6.5.2 on Apple Mavericks 10.9.1 - but I've just tested
> this on a far older version of LC (5.5.4) and I get the same problem:
>
> I have put a number of breakpoints in the code, and when I start executing
> it, the breakpoints do indeed stop the code running as expected. But then I
> come to a point where the code seems to rush ahead, taking no notice of the
> breakpoints. Specifically, I start tracing before calling a certain
> function with this statement
>
> put myFunction(myParameter) into field "myField"
>
> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
> It's as if I'd clicked on the 'step over' button in the IDE instead of the
> 'step into', but I haven't. This is entirely repeatable. What did I do
> wrong? I suppose it may be a bug, but I rather dread cutting it down to a
> simple example. Has anyone any idea what is causing this?
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
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Re: Strange behavior of the IDE?

[Graham Samuel]

Pete, thanks for the quick reply. Neither of those things work for me. There is 
even odder stuff: if I put breakpoints in earlier code and click through that 
code to the point where the breakpoints stop working, then the 'strange' code 
is executed, although it doesn't stop at its own breakpoints. If I just let the 
program run, by clicking on the 'run' triangle every time it reaches a working 
breakpoint, the code in the problematic section isn't executed, or not all of 
it - for example I have become sufficiently desperate to introduce a simple 
logging function that puts lines of text into a field. In the 'just run it' 
case, the log doesn't show, and in the other case, I get log entries. This is 
all extremely strange. I've tried quitting and restarting etc but so far 
nothing has worked. Reluctantly I will try to report it as a bug.

Graham

On 27 Feb 2014, at 21:33, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> I've experienced this from time to time and it's very frustrating.
> 
> Have you tried inserting a "breakpoint" command at the start of your
> function rather than a "red dot" breakpoint?
> 
> I've sometimes found that the statement following the breakpoint is somehow
> syntactically incorrect in a way that isn't caught during compile, which
> seems to cause LC to just give up.  Sorry to be so vague but I can't
> remember the exact details.
> 
> On another occasion, I ended up putting a lock messages command in my code
> (when I was in "try anything" mode) which fixed the problem, but I have no
> idea why.
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software 
> Home of lcStackBrowser  and
> SQLiteAdmin 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Graham Samuel  wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to debug a sequence of code with some repeat loops and stuff in
>> it. I'm using LC 6.5.2 on Apple Mavericks 10.9.1 - but I've just tested
>> this on a far older version of LC (5.5.4) and I get the same problem:
>> 
>> I have put a number of breakpoints in the code, and when I start executing
>> it, the breakpoints do indeed stop the code running as expected. But then I
>> come to a point where the code seems to rush ahead, taking no notice of the
>> breakpoints. Specifically, I start tracing before calling a certain
>> function with this statement
>> 
>> put myFunction(myParameter) into field "myField"
>> 
>> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
>> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
>> It's as if I'd clicked on the 'step over' button in the IDE instead of the
>> 'step into', but I haven't. This is entirely repeatable. What did I do
>> wrong? I suppose it may be a bug, but I rather dread cutting it down to a
>> simple example. Has anyone any idea what is causing this?
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Graham
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Re: Strange behavior of the IDE?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 2/27/14, 1:03 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:


put myFunction(myParameter) into field "myField"

The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it
apply. It's as if I'd clicked on the 'step over' button in the IDE
instead of the 'step into', but I haven't. This is entirely
repeatable. What did I do wrong? I suppose it may be a bug, but I
rather dread cutting it down to a simple example. Has anyone any idea
what is causing this?


Does your function call handlers in any rev libraries? Those ignore 
breakpoints. If so, you can try setting the global gRevDevelopment to 
true, see if it starts working again. You probably won't want to leave 
that setting on for very long, it will step into all the IDE code.


Usually when it happens to me, I just set the breakpoint on the next 
line down, or wherever it starts working again.


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Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

[Kay C Lan]

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Terence Heaford
wrote:

>
> This assumes of course it is reset each time you close LC.
>
> That's what happens on my machine: OS X 10.9.2, LC 6.5.2

New stack, new btn:

on mouseUp
   set the repeatRate to 20
end mouseUp

Press the btn and in the msg box 'put the repeatRate' I get 20.

If I Quit LC, restart it and open my New stack and 'put the repeatRate' in
the msg box I get 50. Press the btn I get 20.

If you get 1 before you even open a stack, then a plugin might be setting
it.

If you get 1 ater you open a stack then I'd be doing a global search for
'repeatRate' which I assume will be in an [pre]open[stack/card] handler
somewhere.
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Re: Strange behavior of the IDE?

[Kay C Lan]

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Graham Samuel  wrote:

> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
>
> As stated there is a syntax/logic error in the function. As Peter said put
a hard breakpoint as line 1 of the function, then comment out every other
line. You will now be able to step into the function - which proves there
is a problem within it*. Then systematically uncomment 50% of the commented
code. You should be able to quickly locate where the offending line is once
you are able to actually step into your function.

* On very rare occasions, I'm pretty sure associated with copying and
pasting code from online, I've had functions or scripts that don't behave
as they should. In this case I've cut the function/handler, or in extreme
cases the entire script out and pasted it into a text editor -
TextWrangleran excellent free one for Mac. I 'Apply' and Saved the
stack with the
offending piece missing. I then use BBEdit's (TextWranglers big brother)
Zap Gremlins function to remove all non ASCII, ASCII control and ASCII null
values. I then reinsert the code which is now plain vanilla text, 'Apply'
then save and things return to normal.
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Re: Strange behavior of the IDE? - Found word(s) list error remove list in the Text body

[Bob Sneidar]

I will say though, that at times I have had syntax errors which compile fine 
but produce some kind of runtime error, and when the offending command is 
reached, the engine silently exits the handler and stepping terminates. I see 
this in the debugger because when I step through the code, it hits that line 
then bails out. Whenever you hit a line of code that seems to jump out of the 
step debugger, examine that line of code VEWY CAWEFUWWY. 

Bob


On Feb 27, 2014, at 14:08 , Kay C Lan  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Graham Samuel  wrote:
> 
>> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
>> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
>> 
>> As stated there is a syntax/logic error in the function. As Peter said put
> a hard breakpoint as line 1 of the function, then comment out every other
> line. You will now be able to step into the function - which proves there
> is a problem within it*. Then systematically uncomment 50% of the commented
> code. You should be able to quickly locate where the offending line is once
> you are able to actually step into your function.
> 
> * On very rare occasions, I'm pretty sure associated with copying and
> pasting code from online, I've had functions or scripts that don't behave
> as they should. In this case I've cut the function/handler, or in extreme
> cases the entire script out and pasted it into a text editor -
> TextWrangleran excellent free one for Mac. I 'Apply' and Saved the
> stack with the
> offending piece missing. I then use BBEdit's (TextWranglers big brother)
> Zap Gremlins function to remove all non ASCII, ASCII control and ASCII null
> values. I then reinsert the code which is now plain vanilla text, 'Apply'
> then save and things return to normal.
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Re: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz

[Peter Haworth]

OK, I couldn't resist! Some of it is pretty clumsy but it's a start.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50196612/Spritzing.livecode

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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Thierry Douez  wrote:

> > That's pretty amazing Thierry.
> > It was easy to get my reading speed up to 400wpm.
> >
> > Pete
>
> It's because of your sqlitz-mind.
>
> You can't imagine with my regexitz one :)
>
> More seriously, I'm eager to see some real use of this...
> in Livecode!!
>
> Thierry
>
>
> >> http://learn2spritz.com/
>
>
> 
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> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
>
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Re: Strange behavior of the IDE?

[Peter Haworth]

Yes, everything you said matches what I've experienced.  There have been
other threads about it too.  It may already have been reported as a bug

Pete
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Graham Samuel  wrote:

> Pete, thanks for the quick reply. Neither of those things work for me.
> There is even odder stuff: if I put breakpoints in earlier code and click
> through that code to the point where the breakpoints stop working, then the
> 'strange' code is executed, although it doesn't stop at its own
> breakpoints. If I just let the program run, by clicking on the 'run'
> triangle every time it reaches a working breakpoint, the code in the
> problematic section isn't executed, or not all of it - for example I have
> become sufficiently desperate to introduce a simple logging function that
> puts lines of text into a field. In the 'just run it' case, the log doesn't
> show, and in the other case, I get log entries. This is all extremely
> strange. I've tried quitting and restarting etc but so far nothing has
> worked. Reluctantly I will try to report it as a bug.
>
> Graham
>
> On 27 Feb 2014, at 21:33, Peter Haworth  wrote:
>
> > I've experienced this from time to time and it's very frustrating.
> >
> > Have you tried inserting a "breakpoint" command at the start of your
> > function rather than a "red dot" breakpoint?
> >
> > I've sometimes found that the statement following the breakpoint is
> somehow
> > syntactically incorrect in a way that isn't caught during compile, which
> > seems to cause LC to just give up.  Sorry to be so vague but I can't
> > remember the exact details.
> >
> > On another occasion, I ended up putting a lock messages command in my
> code
> > (when I was in "try anything" mode) which fixed the problem, but I have
> no
> > idea why.
> >
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software 
> > Home of lcStackBrowser  and
> > SQLiteAdmin 
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Graham Samuel  wrote:
> >
> >> I'm trying to debug a sequence of code with some repeat loops and stuff
> in
> >> it. I'm using LC 6.5.2 on Apple Mavericks 10.9.1 - but I've just tested
> >> this on a far older version of LC (5.5.4) and I get the same problem:
> >>
> >> I have put a number of breakpoints in the code, and when I start
> executing
> >> it, the breakpoints do indeed stop the code running as expected. But
> then I
> >> come to a point where the code seems to rush ahead, taking no notice of
> the
> >> breakpoints. Specifically, I start tracing before calling a certain
> >> function with this statement
> >>
> >> put myFunction(myParameter) into field "myField"
> >>
> >> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
> >> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it
> apply.
> >> It's as if I'd clicked on the 'step over' button in the IDE instead of
> the
> >> 'step into', but I haven't. This is entirely repeatable. What did I do
> >> wrong? I suppose it may be a bug, but I rather dread cutting it down to
> a
> >> simple example. Has anyone any idea what is causing this?
> >>
> >> TIA
> >>
> >> Graham
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Re: Strange behavior of the IDE?

[Graham Samuel]

Kay, thanks to you and everyone who replied. I see that your technique will 
isolate the issue, since I suppose logically it must be in my code. It's 
extraordinary though that the IDE just caves in in certain circumstances 
without any form of error report when the program is obviously running wild 
(after all, it's interpreted... but let's not get too deeply into that). Let's 
hope future versions of the IDE will be a bit more helpful. Meanwhile I will 
take the advice I've been given.

Cheers

Graham
On 27 Feb 2014, at 23:08, Kay C Lan  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Graham Samuel  wrote:
> 
>> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
>> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
>> 
>> As stated there is a syntax/logic error in the function. As Peter said put
> a hard breakpoint as line 1 of the function, then comment out every other
> line. You will now be able to step into the function - which proves there
> is a problem within it*. Then systematically uncomment 50% of the commented
> code. You should be able to quickly locate where the offending line is once
> you are able to actually step into your function.
> 
> * On very rare occasions, I'm pretty sure associated with copying and
> pasting code from online, I've had functions or scripts that don't behave
> as they should. In this case I've cut the function/handler, or in extreme
> cases the entire script out and pasted it into a text editor -
> TextWrangleran excellent free one for Mac. I 'Apply' and Saved the
> stack with the
> offending piece missing. I then use BBEdit's (TextWranglers big brother)
> Zap Gremlins function to remove all non ASCII, ASCII control and ASCII null
> values. I then reinsert the code which is now plain vanilla text, 'Apply'
> then save and things return to normal.
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Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[Richard Gaskin]

Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by 
upgrading to OS X 10.6:


Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as 
they just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it:



Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The Dust



Snow Leopard was released on August 28, 2009, and was the last version 
of OS X that ran on 32-bit CPUs.


Sadly, this once-satirical comment about upgrades is increasingly relevant:


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[Scott Rossi]

"The world's oldest cheese has been found buried with Chinese mummies"

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/27/5453826/worlds-oldest-cheese-buried-with-
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Re: For List Members Only

[stephen barncard]

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:

> "The world's oldest cheese has been found buried with Chinese mummies"


ew

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Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[stephen barncard]

"like Lion and Mountain Lion, Mavericks doesn’t cost a thing. "

It costs a LOT if one can run 32 bit any more…  more bricks on the shelf.
Maybe Apple can shut up for a while now that they've forced everyone to 64
bit. It wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't tried to axe popular apps with
completely new workflows. I have no feature in Mavericks that I would want
except to enable newer software, like Final Cut Pro X - if I can endure the
new workflow….and there's no demo available, so I can't even check it out.
It's supposed to be better now.

I'm still pissed about what happened to the REAL Final Cut Pro (7).

And Waveburner, their Brilliant bastard stepchild of a CD mastering
software.  Never heard of it? Not surprised.  (it was bundled with Logic
for years.) - no replacement offered. Those guys don't even know what
"mastering" means any more. It's not about 'crunching' plugins, it's about
workflow. Somebody that probably never used it made the decision.

 I guess the main excuse is about the Carbon/Cocoa thing. They "knifed that
baby" really good - and ignored and dismissed thousands of video
professionals that depended on FCP.  It's the arrogance that ticks me off.
Most went to Adobe Premiere, as Avid has even more downsides. Nobody's
really happy.


sqb

*--*
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:

> Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by
> upgrading to OS X 10.6:
>
> Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as they
> just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it:
>
>
> Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The Dust
> 
>
>
>
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Re: Finding available memory without shell, how to use hasMemory() - Found word(s) list error in the Text body

[Bob Sneidar]

Gabriel, if you are saving to the boot volume and getting dow to 100MB, this is 
a very serious matter. You should *never* go below 10 gigs on a modern boot 
driveIf the volume is being used for a swap file, it’s not as serious but will 
affect performance. Just a heads up.

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:21 , Gabriel Johnson  wrote:

> Thanks for the responses. Yes, we are saving a 100+ MB data file to disk,
> and when the free memory gets to be under 100 MB, saving to a standard hard
> drive (not SSD) sometimes ends up taking a very long time (in Mac OS X),
> making it appear to the user that the program has locked up. We have
> contemplated going about this a different way, but the quickest fix for us
> at the moment is to catch low memory situations.
> 
> Mark: Yes, we need to know the amount of free ram (without counting the
> swap/inactive memory).
> 
> 
> Gabe Johnson
> gwj...@gmail.com
> 603-978-9881
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
>> Gabriel-
>> 
>> Thursday, February 20, 2014, 11:07:59 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey All,
>> 
>>> I am working on a program where I need to know the amount of available
>>> memory.
>> 
>>> I'm running on OS X and hasMemory() appears to return true/false for the
>>> same values regardless changes to free/available memory. Is there some
>>> trick to getting hasMemory() to correspond with the actual available
>>> memory? Is this possibly something that is being addressed in newer
>>> versions of LiveCode?
>> 
>> Ah, the curse of modern operating systems...
>> 
>> What the hasMemory() function does is allocate and then free the
>> specified amount of memory, and then returns a boolean telling whether
>> it was successful. However, before doing that, it casts the desired
>> amount as a uint4, which limits the amount to 2147483647. If you're
>> trying to see if more than 2G of memory is available, that won't help.
>> And because modern operating systems will very happily exchange chunks
>> of memory out to swap files when necessary, it's unlikely that you'll
>> see the malloc fail, and thus you should see a "true" return value.
>> 
>> Are you doing something where you really need to see the actual free
>> ram without the swap/inactive memory? The "available" term here is a
>> bit ambiguous, and depends on your needs.
>> 
>> --
>> -Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>> 
>> This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National
>> Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not
>> consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any
>> related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting,
>> disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received
>> this communication in error, please delete it immediately.
>> 
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Re: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz

[Bob Sneidar]

I’d like to see phrases go quickly, and slight pauses where a comma is. It’s a 
little distracting having all the words come at the same speed. 

Bob


On Feb 27, 2014, at 14:54 , Peter Haworth  wrote:

> OK, I couldn't resist! Some of it is pretty clumsy but it's a start.
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50196612/Spritzing.livecode
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software 
> Home of lcStackBrowser  and
> SQLiteAdmin 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Thierry Douez  wrote:
> 
>>> That's pretty amazing Thierry.
>>> It was easy to get my reading speed up to 400wpm.
>>> 
>>> Pete
>> 
>> It's because of your sqlitz-mind.
>> 
>> You can't imagine with my regexitz one :)
>> 
>> More seriously, I'm eager to see some real use of this...
>> in Livecode!!
>> 
>> Thierry
>> 
>> 
 http://learn2spritz.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
>> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
>> 
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Re: Finding available memory without shell, how to use hasMemory() - Found word(s) list error in the Text body

[Andrew Kluthe]

He's referring to system RAM here.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Gabriel, if you are saving to the boot volume and getting dow to 100MB,
> this is a very serious matter. You should *never* go below 10 gigs on a
> modern boot driveIf the volume is being used for a swap file, it's not as
> serious but will affect performance. Just a heads up.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:21 , Gabriel Johnson  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the responses. Yes, we are saving a 100+ MB data file to disk,
> > and when the free memory gets to be under 100 MB, saving to a standard
> hard
> > drive (not SSD) sometimes ends up taking a very long time (in Mac OS X),
> > making it appear to the user that the program has locked up. We have
> > contemplated going about this a different way, but the quickest fix for
> us
> > at the moment is to catch low memory situations.
> >
> > Mark: Yes, we need to know the amount of free ram (without counting the
> > swap/inactive memory).
> >
> >
> > Gabe Johnson
> > gwj...@gmail.com
> > 603-978-9881
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Mark Wieder 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Gabriel-
> >>
> >> Thursday, February 20, 2014, 11:07:59 AM, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey All,
> >>
> >>> I am working on a program where I need to know the amount of available
> >>> memory.
> >>
> >>> I'm running on OS X and hasMemory() appears to return true/false for
> the
> >>> same values regardless changes to free/available memory. Is there some
> >>> trick to getting hasMemory() to correspond with the actual available
> >>> memory? Is this possibly something that is being addressed in newer
> >>> versions of LiveCode?
> >>
> >> Ah, the curse of modern operating systems...
> >>
> >> What the hasMemory() function does is allocate and then free the
> >> specified amount of memory, and then returns a boolean telling whether
> >> it was successful. However, before doing that, it casts the desired
> >> amount as a uint4, which limits the amount to 2147483647. If you're
> >> trying to see if more than 2G of memory is available, that won't help.
> >> And because modern operating systems will very happily exchange chunks
> >> of memory out to swap files when necessary, it's unlikely that you'll
> >> see the malloc fail, and thus you should see a "true" return value.
> >>
> >> Are you doing something where you really need to see the actual free
> >> ram without the swap/inactive memory? The "available" term here is a
> >> bit ambiguous, and depends on your needs.
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Mark Wieder
> >> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> >>
> >> This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the
> National
> >> Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not
> >> consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any
> >> related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting,
> >> disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received
> >> this communication in error, please delete it immediately.
> >>
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Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[Bob Sneidar]

Yeah Leo LaPorte is not thrilled with that whole deal either, and he recommends 
post production guys go with Adobe’s product.  Feels like the fall of an 
empire. 

Bob


On Feb 27, 2014, at 16:12 , stephen barncard  
wrote:

> "like Lion and Mountain Lion, Mavericks doesn’t cost a thing. "
> 
> It costs a LOT if one can run 32 bit any more…  more bricks on the shelf.
> Maybe Apple can shut up for a while now that they've forced everyone to 64
> bit. It wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't tried to axe popular apps with
> completely new workflows. I have no feature in Mavericks that I would want
> except to enable newer software, like Final Cut Pro X - if I can endure the
> new workflow….and there's no demo available, so I can't even check it out.
> It's supposed to be better now.
> 
> I'm still pissed about what happened to the REAL Final Cut Pro (7).
> 
> And Waveburner, their Brilliant bastard stepchild of a CD mastering
> software.  Never heard of it? Not surprised.  (it was bundled with Logic
> for years.) - no replacement offered. Those guys don't even know what
> "mastering" means any more. It's not about 'crunching' plugins, it's about
> workflow. Somebody that probably never used it made the decision.
> 
> I guess the main excuse is about the Carbon/Cocoa thing. They "knifed that
> baby" really good - and ignored and dismissed thousands of video
> professionals that depended on FCP.  It's the arrogance that ticks me off.
> Most went to Adobe Premiere, as Avid has even more downsides. Nobody's
> really happy.
> 
> 
> sqb
> 
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Richard Gaskin
> wrote:
> 
>> Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by
>> upgrading to OS X 10.6:
>> 
>> Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as they
>> just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it:
>> 
>> 
>> Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The Dust
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[Bob Sneidar]

I wanted to upgrade a quad code Xeon Apple Server, but any attempt to do so 
results in “You can’t do that!”

Bob


On Feb 27, 2014, at 15:39 , Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by 
> upgrading to OS X 10.6:
> 
> Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as they 
> just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it:
> 
> 
> Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The Dust
> 
> 
> 
> Snow Leopard was released on August 28, 2009, and was the last version of OS 
> X that ran on 32-bit CPUs.
> 
> Sadly, this once-satirical comment about upgrades is increasingly relevant:
> 
> 
> --
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Re: Filling PDF Forms - Found word(s) list error in the Text body

[Bob Sneidar]

Just an update: You do NOT need Acrobat Pro for the forms to autofill! You DO 
need Acrobat Pro to create the FDF files in the first place. If you are tempted 
to try and use a CSV file (Acrobat Pro can after all Export to this format) 
don’t. The import ONLY works with FDF files.

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 20:01 , Bob Sneidar 
mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

So instead of trying to piece together a demo stack of how I am filling PDF 
forms, I thought I would just write a (reasonable) short essay on how to.

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Re: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz

[Peter Haworth]

Feel free to fix it!

Pete
lcSQL Software 
Home of lcStackBrowser  and
SQLiteAdmin 


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I'd like to see phrases go quickly, and slight pauses where a comma is.
> It's a little distracting having all the words come at the same speed.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2014, at 14:54 , Peter Haworth  wrote:
>
> > OK, I couldn't resist! Some of it is pretty clumsy but it's a start.
> >
> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50196612/Spritzing.livecode
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software 
> > Home of lcStackBrowser  and
> > SQLiteAdmin 
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Thierry Douez 
> wrote:
> >
> >>> That's pretty amazing Thierry.
> >>> It was easy to get my reading speed up to 400wpm.
> >>>
> >>> Pete
> >>
> >> It's because of your sqlitz-mind.
> >>
> >> You can't imagine with my regexitz one :)
> >>
> >> More seriously, I'm eager to see some real use of this...
> >> in Livecode!!
> >>
> >> Thierry
> >>
> >>
>  http://learn2spritz.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> >> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
> >>
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Re: For List Members Only

[Kay C Lan]

Clearly this was from a non-List member.

http://www.funnywebsite.com/funny-website/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/entertaining-cheese.jpg

>From now on we should send List applicants to this store first. Anyone who
can't last 3.75 hours should be given a serious XTalking to and sent on
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