Re: LiveCode 8 [was: Re: How do you handle the poor performance of LC 7?]

2015-06-02 Thread Terence Heaford

 On 2 Jun 2015, at 09:23, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com wrote:
 
 At the moment, I expect that we will probably be recommending using Atom for 
 editing LCB source code.


I am not familiar with using Atom but I presume it will mean:

1. Code in Atom
2. Transfer to LC
3. Test in LC
4. Correct in Atom
5. Retest
6. Repeat until finished

?


All the best

Terry





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Re: LiveCode 8 [was: Re: How do you handle the poor performance of LC 7?]

2015-06-02 Thread Peter TB Brett

On 2015-06-02 11:25, Terence Heaford wrote:
On 2 Jun 2015, at 09:23, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com 
wrote:


At the moment, I expect that we will probably be recommending using 
Atom for editing LCB source code.


I am not familiar with using Atom but I presume it will mean:

1. Code in Atom
2. Transfer to LC
3. Test in LC
4. Correct in Atom
5. Retest
6. Repeat until finished


Georgia's blog post shows the current workflow: 
http://livecode.com/write-a-widget-in-8-steps/


She describes using TextWrangler, but the workflow using Atom would be 
exactly the same.


   Peter

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revXMLCreateTree or revCreateXMLTree ?

2015-06-02 Thread jbv
Hi list
In a stack with LC Community 6.5.2, both function names work
(although only revXMLCreateTree is mentioned in the doc)
while only revCreateXMLTree works on LC server...
Any explanation for this ?
Thanks
jbv


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LiveCode 8 [was: Re: How do you handle the poor performance of LC 7?]

2015-06-02 Thread Peter TB Brett

On 2015-06-01 19:17, Terence Heaford wrote:
On 1 Jun 2015, at 14:16, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com 
wrote:


Unless some major showstopper problems are encountered, there will be 
commercial builds of the next release of LiveCode 8.  That'll be in 
the next couple of weeks.



Will there be a built-in LCB editor or will it rely on 
TextWrangler/BBEdit?


At the moment, I expect that we will probably be recommending using Atom 
for editing LCB source code.


In-IDE editing of LCB source code probably won't be in LiveCode 8.0 -- 
it'll almost certainly come later in the 8.x series.


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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Ben Rubinstein

I'd echo this - I've always found the splash app approach to work well.

I include in my splash app code which if it can't find or doesn't like the 
mainstack (stored in application support or analogous folder), directly loads 
an updater stack over http from my server; this update stack then manages 
the process of fetching and installing new mainstacks, including 
authentication when that's involved.  This is a tiny bit more complicated, but 
it has distributing updates much easier as well - I very rarely need to issue 
updates to the splash app itself.  I'd be happier if I could do it over https 
(to be fair, maybe I can now - it's a long time since I tried).


My top tip is to use the Include Error Reporting Dialog feature of the 
standalone builder - for your test builds, regardless of whether you ship it 
that way.  That way when it just doesn't work when you first test, you can get 
an actual error code (that you have to do the hacky thing to interpret) to 
figure out what went wrong.


(FWIW I've not had problems with sub-stacks, either in the mainstack invoked 
by a splash app, or in one app that I build as an all-in one standalone with 
sub-stacks.  Or if I did have problems, I must have found a workaround and 
then forgotten the awful process I had to go through to discover it)


Ben



On 02/06/2015 17:51, Scott Rossi wrote:

Bob:

Follow Devin's advice.  Building a launcher (splash) app shouldn't be that complicated.  
The standalone just needs to be a simple minimal stack that launches your 
real main stack containing all your logic, sub stacks, etc.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media UX/UI Design


On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote:

Thanks Devin.

With this approach I am finding that letting Livecode automatically find the 
libraries it needs is not successful. First, none of my data grids work, even 
though I have added a data grid to the splash stack. Second, none of the image 
files I have referenced in the primary stack are being accessed. I suppose I 
will need to manually add those as well to the application folder.

I will, at the risk of sounding like I am whining, repeat the sentiment others 
have expressed, that this is more difficult to get working than it ought to be.

Bob S


On Jun 2, 2015, at 09:21 , Devin Asay 
devin_a...@byu.edumailto:devin_a...@byu.edu wrote:


On Jun 2, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar 
bobsnei...@iotecdigital.commailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote:

Hi all.

So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use a 
splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the 
splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to set 
the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic, it 
fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure.

The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am thinking 
that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is true, I will 
have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then add them as 
substacks to the mainstack.

If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating standalones at 
first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things. If not, then I am 
at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property of a given stack.



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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Mike Bonner
if I recall correctly, all you have to do is add substack to your
splashstack named Data Grid Templates Dud
Then, even if you do manual inclusions of everything else, the way toe
standalone builder works (or used to) it will still realize you need the
datagrid support stuff, and will include it.

I do seem to recall a version of LC that did NOT properly include the
required support, but I forget which version that was and under what
circumstances it occurred.

One moment, going to try it real quick with 7.0.5..

Ok, heres what I did (and it works)

Create my launcher stack.
Add a substack named Data Grid Templates Dud
Adjust the standalone settings to pick inclusions.  I added support for
sqlite and left everything else alone.
I added a button to let me pick an lc file and then go stack the chosen
stack file

Saved it, made a standalone, ran it, and chose a stack with a datagrid, and
it worked fine.

Then I chose a stack that uses an sqlite database and it worked fine too.

I did notice something weird.  I set up the stack, except for the button to
choose the file and saved the stack.
Then I added the button to pick a file and went directly to the standalone
build which then prompts for a stack save.  When I ran the standalone, the
button wasn't there as if the save didn't take.
I went back to lc, manually saved again (ctrl-s) then rebuilt and poof. It
worked.

I think there may be a bug in there somewhere.

I'm wondering when and how you are choosing to launch your stack?  Maybe
the request to go to the stack occurs before everything is done loading
with the splash stack?


On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:48 AM, William Prothero proth...@earthednet.org
wrote:

 Mike:
 I’ve searched around for the “DataGrid Templates” stack and can’t find it.
 For manual inclusion, I would need to add it to the “Stacks” panel in the
 standalones setting.
 Bill

  On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Yep, it won't find the inclusions, you need to pick and choose yourself
  because the splashstack is mostly empty of code. The can't figure out
 what
  you need from code that isn't there.
 
  As for the datagrid, I wonder.. If I recall, you don't actually have to
  include a datagrid for it to work. Check out this link which mentions
  building using the splashstack method..
 
 http://lessons.runrev.com/m/datagrid/l/7339-what-do-i-need-to-do-to-deploy-a-standalone-with-a-data-grid
  If you want to search for inclusions automagically, I guess you could
 cheat
  also.
 
  Make a handler that never gets called.  You want sqlite support?  put in
 a
  revopendatabase call.  Same for any other support you need, put in a line
  of code that requires whatever support you're looking to add to the
  splashstack, to this non-functional handler, so that the build process
 can
  decide that you need whatever you need
 
  Its pretty easy though to manually choose inclusions.
 
  On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Bob Sneidar 
 bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
  wrote:
 


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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread William Prothero
Mike:
I’ve searched around for the “DataGrid Templates” stack and can’t find it. For 
manual inclusion, I would need to add it to the “Stacks” panel in the 
standalones setting.
Bill

 On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, it won't find the inclusions, you need to pick and choose yourself
 because the splashstack is mostly empty of code. The can't figure out what
 you need from code that isn't there.
 
 As for the datagrid, I wonder.. If I recall, you don't actually have to
 include a datagrid for it to work. Check out this link which mentions
 building using the splashstack method..
 http://lessons.runrev.com/m/datagrid/l/7339-what-do-i-need-to-do-to-deploy-a-standalone-with-a-data-grid
 If you want to search for inclusions automagically, I guess you could cheat
 also.
 
 Make a handler that never gets called.  You want sqlite support?  put in a
 revopendatabase call.  Same for any other support you need, put in a line
 of code that requires whatever support you're looking to add to the
 splashstack, to this non-functional handler, so that the build process can
 decide that you need whatever you need
 
 Its pretty easy though to manually choose inclusions.
 
 On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
 wrote:
 


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Re: Anybody Hear From Jan Schenkel?

2015-06-02 Thread Jan Schenkel
Hi All,

My apologies for the scandalously late reply. Yes, I am still alive.
I've been lost in personal issues and am only now finding back the energy to 
return my attention to my LiveCode projects.

If you have an urgent question, then please resend it to my quartam.com email 
address.
For anything that is not urgent, I will work hard to reply to everyone by the 
end of June.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

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 Subject: Re: Anybody Hear From Jan Schenkel?
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2015, 2:43 PM
 
 Please do.  I've
 checked the blog, I've checked Twitter, etc., etc., and
 it
 looks like it's been almost 18 months
 since he's done anything.
 
 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Colin Holgate
 colinholg...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I
 could send him a message to contact you if you’d like?
 
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RE: Anybody Hear From Jan Schenkel?

2015-06-02 Thread Ralph DiMola
Hey Jan!

Glad your feeling better.

Ralph DiMola
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Subject: Re: Anybody Hear From Jan Schenkel?

Hi All,

My apologies for the scandalously late reply. Yes, I am still alive.
I've been lost in personal issues and am only now finding back the energy to 
return my attention to my LiveCode projects.

If you have an urgent question, then please resend it to my quartam.com email 
address.
For anything that is not urgent, I will work hard to reply to everyone by the 
end of June.

Best regards,

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 Subject: Re: Anybody Hear From Jan Schenkel?
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2015, 2:43 PM
 
 Please do.  I've
 checked the blog, I've checked Twitter, etc., etc., and  it  looks like it's 
been almost 18 months  since he's done anything.
 
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 wrote:
 
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Re: Anybody Hear From Jan Schenkel?

2015-06-02 Thread Yves COPPE
Hi Jan,

Happy to hear about you and you are in good condition.


 Le 2 juin 2015 à 21:21, Jan Schenkel janschen...@yahoo.com a écrit :
 
 Hi All,
 
 My apologies for the scandalously late reply. Yes, I am still alive.
 I've been lost in personal issues and am only now finding back the energy to 
 return my attention to my LiveCode projects.
 
 If you have an urgent question, then please resend it to my quartam.com email 
 address.
 For anything that is not urgent, I will work hard to reply to everyone by the 
 end of June.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Jan Schenkel.
 
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 www.quartam.com
 
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 (La Rochefoucauld)
 
 
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 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2015, 2:43 PM
 
 Please do.  I've
 checked the blog, I've checked Twitter, etc., etc., and
 it
 looks like it's been almost 18 months
 since he's done anything.
 
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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Mike Bonner
One more thing I noticed.. This tiny splashstack i've created (tiny being
relative at around 9 megs)  takes a full 12 seconds to load on my machine.
All I can say is WOW what a slug.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Ben Rubinstein benr...@cogapp.com wrote:

 I'd echo this - I've always found the splash app approach to work well.

 I include in my splash app code which if it can't find or doesn't like the
 mainstack (stored in application support or analogous folder), directly
 loads an updater stack over http from my server; this update stack then
 manages the process of fetching and installing new mainstacks, including
 authentication when that's involved.  This is a tiny bit more complicated,
 but it has distributing updates much easier as well - I very rarely need to
 issue updates to the splash app itself.  I'd be happier if I could do it
 over https (to be fair, maybe I can now - it's a long time since I tried).

 My top tip is to use the Include Error Reporting Dialog feature of the
 standalone builder - for your test builds, regardless of whether you ship
 it that way.  That way when it just doesn't work when you first test, you
 can get an actual error code (that you have to do the hacky thing to
 interpret) to figure out what went wrong.

 (FWIW I've not had problems with sub-stacks, either in the mainstack
 invoked by a splash app, or in one app that I build as an all-in one
 standalone with sub-stacks.  Or if I did have problems, I must have found a
 workaround and then forgotten the awful process I had to go through to
 discover it)

 Ben



 On 02/06/2015 17:51, Scott Rossi wrote:

 Bob:

 Follow Devin's advice.  Building a launcher (splash) app shouldn't be
 that complicated.  The standalone just needs to be a simple minimal stack
 that launches your real main stack containing all your logic, sub stacks,
 etc.

 Regards,

 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media UX/UI Design

  On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Devin.

 With this approach I am finding that letting Livecode automatically find
 the libraries it needs is not successful. First, none of my data grids
 work, even though I have added a data grid to the splash stack. Second,
 none of the image files I have referenced in the primary stack are being
 accessed. I suppose I will need to manually add those as well to the
 application folder.

 I will, at the risk of sounding like I am whining, repeat the sentiment
 others have expressed, that this is more difficult to get working than it
 ought to be.

 Bob S


 On Jun 2, 2015, at 09:21 , Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edumailto:
 devin_a...@byu.edu wrote:


 On Jun 2, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
 mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote:

 Hi all.

 So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use
 a splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the
 splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to
 set the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic,
 it fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure.

 The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am
 thinking that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is
 true, I will have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then
 add them as substacks to the mainstack.

 If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating
 standalones at first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things.
 If not, then I am at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property
 of a given stack.



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7.0.5 not so stable

2015-06-02 Thread Ray
Neil - I upgraded today to 7.0.5 as you suggested.  Unfortunately this 
did not solve the problem of an Android app displaying Unfortunately 
[my app] has stopped working but you should know it also gave me other 
problems.  I was unable to scroll in a data grid which works fine in 
7.0.2.  Scrolling simply jumped to the end instead of scrolling.  Worse, 
7.0.5 corrupted my stack.  I couldn't re-open it with either 7.0.5 or 
7.0.2 and was left with no ~ backup stack.  I've rolled back to 7.0.2 
for obvious reasons.


I hate to complain on the heels of the recent and rather lengthy 
performance slow down thread, but if we're going to call a version 
stable shouldn't it be just that?


On 6/2/2015 2:09 PM, Neil Roger wrote:

Hi Ray,

Upgrade to 7.0.5 to see if that resolves the issue. If not, fire off a 
report to http://quality.runrev.com and we will happily investigate 
further.


Kind Regards,

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On 02/06/2015 12:59, Ray wrote:

Does anybody know what to do about this?

Windows 8.1
Livecode 7.0.2
Minimum Android Version: 3.1

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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 6/2/2015 4:47 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

I was thinking about how to proceed, and I realize that what I need
to do is have both stacks open, then set the mainstack of each of
what are now substacks of my app stack, to the splash stack, then set
the mainstack of my primary app stack to the splash stack.


I'm not sure there's much point in using the splash method in this case 
since it's all just one file anyway and changes can't be saved -- 
unless, maybe, you just want a splash image on startup and you don't 
want that card in the way later on. But if you don't care about a 
startup screen, I think I'd just compile the main stack into the standalone.


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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Richard Gaskin

Bob Sneidar wrote:
 The problem is, then the mainStack cannot be modified, and it needs
 to be. I set properties in the mainStack. I have settings cards in
 the mainStack. And besides, I want to eventually have a cool splash
 screen with a custom shape. It’s called Forms Generator, and I
 envisioned a generator or maybe something like a grinder with large
 PDF, Word and Excel icons coming out of it.

A standalone must have a stack attached to it, but it need not be visible.

Your standalone can set its own mainstack's visibility to false when it 
opens, and then open your savable stack file.


I almost never put an about box in my standalones, since I change those 
as often as I change anything else.


Most of my standalones contain only a warning window letting the user 
know that the app couldn't find resources it needs to run (that is, the 
various other stacks I use outside the standalone).  Unless something 
goes horribly wrong the user never sees that window.


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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
The problem is, then the mainStack cannot be modified, and it needs to be. I 
set properties in the mainStack. I have settings cards in the mainStack. And 
besides, I want to eventually have a cool splash screen with a custom shape. 
It’s called Forms Generator, and I envisioned a generator or maybe something 
like a grinder with large PDF, Word and Excel icons coming out of it. 

Bob S


 On Jun 2, 2015, at 16:15 , J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote:
 
 On 6/2/2015 4:47 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 I was thinking about how to proceed, and I realize that what I need
 to do is have both stacks open, then set the mainstack of each of
 what are now substacks of my app stack, to the splash stack, then set
 the mainstack of my primary app stack to the splash stack.
 
 I'm not sure there's much point in using the splash method in this case since 
 it's all just one file anyway and changes can't be saved -- unless, maybe, 
 you just want a splash image on startup and you don't want that card in the 
 way later on. But if you don't care about a startup screen, I think I'd just 
 compile the main stack into the standalone.
 
 -- 
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 HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
 
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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread J. Landman Gay
If you set all the stacks as substacks of the splash, they can't be modified 
either. The only way they can be modified is if they're separate stacks (or a 
mainstack with substacks) on disk. Basically everything in the standalone file 
is permanent. 

On June 2, 2015 6:47:38 PM CDT, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote:
The problem is, then the mainStack cannot be modified, and it needs to
be. I set properties in the mainStack. I have settings cards in the
mainStack. And besides, I want to eventually have a cool splash screen
with a custom shape. It’s called Forms Generator, and I envisioned a
generator or maybe something like a grinder with large PDF, Word and
Excel icons coming out of it. 

Bob S


 On Jun 2, 2015, at 16:15 , J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
wrote:
 
 On 6/2/2015 4:47 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 I was thinking about how to proceed, and I realize that what I need
 to do is have both stacks open, then set the mainstack of each of
 what are now substacks of my app stack, to the splash stack, then
set
 the mainstack of my primary app stack to the splash stack.
 
 I'm not sure there's much point in using the splash method in this
case since it's all just one file anyway and changes can't be saved --
unless, maybe, you just want a splash image on startup and you don't
want that card in the way later on. But if you don't care about a
startup screen, I think I'd just compile the main stack into the
standalone.
 
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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Mike Bonner
Bob,
yeah that will work and let you set your individual stacks to work as subs
of the splash, but it pretty much boils down to what you want to
accomplish.  A splash, and separate stacks that you can save individually?
If this is the goal, then you can choose the option to save substacks to
separate stack files on build (as someone else mentioned) but you'll have
to be careful in how you reference them in your scripts, because they will
no longer be substacks of the splashstack after build. They'll each be
mainstacks in their own right.

I think the bonus to doing it the way you're stating is that the automatic
inclusions should (I think) just work, including the datagrid.  The
question here is whether breaking out the stacks and rearranging them will
break your already set up datagrids due to moving the datagrid substack
from the old mainstack to the new splashstack.  And then the NEXT question
(I've never tried it) is whether the datagrid will still work even with the
proper inclusions having been found.

If you just want to shove all the stacks together into one monolithic
build, with no external stack files, you might need to tweak some of your
scripts depending on how you currently reference stacks and controls, but
it shouldn't be too difficult. My question again being.. How will this
affect an existing datagrid when the stack structure is revamped?
Datagrids seem eminently breakable.

If you want a splashstack that loads your current stack and its substacks,
it isn't difficult to get things working usually.  No structure changes,
the hard part is making sure all the correct stuff is included, and the
datagrid stub trick works well.

Mind if I ask what platform you're building for?  Somewhere along the line
there was a version of LC that donked things when building, but i'm having
trouble remembering which version, and for what platform.  If you're having
trouble getting things to work after build, maybe knowing the target
platform will help me find the information again.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
wrote:

 Hi Mike.

 I was thinking about how to proceed, and I realize that what I need to do
 is have both stacks open, then set the mainstack of each of what are now
 substacks of my app stack, to the splash stack, then set the mainstack of
 my primary app stack to the splash stack.

 Bob S


 On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:16 , Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.commailto:
 bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm wondering when and how you are choosing to launch your stack?  Maybe
 the request to go to the stack occurs before everything is done loading
 with the splash stack?

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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hi Mike.

I was thinking about how to proceed, and I realize that what I need to do is 
have both stacks open, then set the mainstack of each of what are now substacks 
of my app stack, to the splash stack, then set the mainstack of my primary app 
stack to the splash stack.

Bob S


On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:16 , Mike Bonner 
bonnm...@gmail.commailto:bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm wondering when and how you are choosing to launch your stack?  Maybe
the request to go to the stack occurs before everything is done loading
with the splash stack?

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Re: Anybody Hear From Jan Schenkel?

2015-06-02 Thread Marian Petrides, MD
Glad to hear you are OK, Jan!

Sent from my iPhone

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 My apologies for the scandalously late reply. Yes, I am still alive.
 I've been lost in personal issues and am only now finding back the energy to 
 return my attention to my LiveCode projects.
 
 If you have an urgent question, then please resend it to my quartam.com email 
 address.
 For anything that is not urgent, I will work hard to reply to everyone by the 
 end of June.
 
 Best regards,
 
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 Subject: Re: Anybody Hear From Jan Schenkel?
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2015, 2:43 PM
 
 Please do.  I've
 checked the blog, I've checked Twitter, etc., etc., and
 it
 looks like it's been almost 18 months
 since he's done anything.
 
 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Colin Holgate
 colinholg...@gmail.com
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Re: Anybody Hear From Jan Schenkel?

2015-06-02 Thread David Beck
Welcome back, Jan!!
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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Mike Bonner
http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4071/l/17375-how-do-i-save-custom-properties-in-a-standalone-application

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 6:46 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
wrote:

 If you set all the stacks as substacks of the splash, they can't be
 modified either. The only way they can be modified is if they're separate
 stacks (or a mainstack with substacks) on disk. Basically everything in the
 standalone file is permanent.

 On June 2, 2015 6:47:38 PM CDT, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
 wrote:
 The problem is, then the mainStack cannot be modified, and it needs to
 be. I set properties in the mainStack. I have settings cards in the
 mainStack. And besides, I want to eventually have a cool splash screen
 with a custom shape. It’s called Forms Generator, and I envisioned a
 generator or maybe something like a grinder with large PDF, Word and
 Excel icons coming out of it.
 
 Bob S
 
 
  On Jun 2, 2015, at 16:15 , J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
 wrote:
 
  On 6/2/2015 4:47 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
  I was thinking about how to proceed, and I realize that what I need
  to do is have both stacks open, then set the mainstack of each of
  what are now substacks of my app stack, to the splash stack, then
 set
  the mainstack of my primary app stack to the splash stack.
 
  I'm not sure there's much point in using the splash method in this
 case since it's all just one file anyway and changes can't be saved --
 unless, maybe, you just want a splash image on startup and you don't
 want that card in the way later on. But if you don't care about a
 startup screen, I think I'd just compile the main stack into the
 standalone.
 
  --
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  HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
 
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Re: AW: AW: How do you handle the poor performance of LC 7?

2015-06-02 Thread Dave Kilroy
Hi Jacque - just so you know the two guys at the weekend on win7 and win8
machines were both working with brand new stack files and the longest script
ended up at 110 lines - and they had problems right from the off...




J. Landman Gay wrote
 On 6/1/2015 4:38 PM, Dave Kilroy wrote:
 I have no idea why some people seem to get on ok with v7 and others don't
 -
 and hope RunRev manage to figure out what is going on...
 
 Script length may have something to do with the editor delays. It takes 
 more time to process text in v7.
 
 I'm currently converting a stack where no scripts are longer than a few 
 hundred lines (most are under 500) and I see no delays.
 
 -- 
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Re: Update on bug I reported on 8th April 2014 -15173

2015-06-02 Thread Peter W A Wood

 On 1 Jun 2015, at 21:46, Peter W A Wood peterwaw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Somebody at LiveCode has at last taken a look at the bug report that I 
 submitted on 8th April 2014 thanks to Richard Gaskin’s intervention. They 
 have marked it as a duplicate of a bug reported by David Williams on 17th 
 October 2011. Nobody at LiveCode has  responded to that bug either apart from 
 noting that the bug that I reported is a duplicate of it.

I am very happy to report that one of the development team was able to look 
into the bug late yesterday and has made a correction that is waiting to be 
built.





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Re: Clock

2015-06-02 Thread Ben Rubinstein

On 01/06/2015 21:20, BNig wrote:

Incidentally Rolf Kocherhans from Switzerland has asked me if a railwayclock
type of clock would be feasible.

I gave it a try and here it is. Almost but not quite like the famous Swiss
Railwayclock


http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/railwayclock.livecode.zip



Very nice.  But note that you don't want to get too close to the Swiss Railway 
clock:

http://gizmodo.com/5959542/apples-swiped-swiss-clock-design-cost-21-million

Ben


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Android - Unfortunately [my app] Has Stopped Working

2015-06-02 Thread Ray

Does anybody know what to do about this?

Windows 8.1
Livecode 7.0.2
Minimum Android Version: 3.1

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Re: Android - Unfortunately [my app] Has Stopped Working

2015-06-02 Thread Neil Roger

Hi Ray,

Upgrade to 7.0.5 to see if that resolves the issue. If not, fire off a 
report to http://quality.runrev.com and we will happily investigate further.


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On 02/06/2015 12:59, Ray wrote:

Does anybody know what to do about this?

Windows 8.1
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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 141, Issue 2

2015-06-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
What OS?? If it is Mac, open your System Preferences/Security  Privacy, select 
the General tab, and set Allow apps downloaded from: to Anywhere. 

Bob S


 On Jun 1, 2015, at 17:24 , Jim Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 I’m trying to sent a LC stand alone app to a friend.
 But I when I send it to myself as a test, I get a message: Can’t be opened 
 because it is from an unidentified developer.”
 
 Is there a work-around?
 
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Re: AW: AW: How do you handle the poor performance of LC 7?

2015-06-02 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:02 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
wrote:

 Script length may have something to do with the editor delays. It takes
 more time to process text in v7.

 I'm currently converting a stack where no scripts are longer than a few
 hundred lines (most are under 500) and I see no delays.


I have multiple scripts several thousand lines long.

But the delays occur even when no processing is required (e.g., immediately
after stack load, once the system is settled, and before a line has been
changed)




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Re: How do you handle the poor performance of LC 7?

2015-06-02 Thread Dave Kilroy
Hi Peter

OK I tried to migrate to LC8  but have given up until the next version comes
out.

At the moment I'm doing apps for iOS and Android need to be able to build
for them. A while ago I allowed Xcode to upgrade to 6.3.2 which LC7 was OK
with, LC8 not so much. As regards Android I can build and install apps made
with LC8 but they can't open on my device
(http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15453)

If I was working on stuff that didn't need mobile I would move up, but think
it's sensible for me to wait until your next release :(

Kind regards

Dave



Peter TB Brett wrote
 On 2015-06-01 13:54, Dave Kilroy wrote:
 Thanks for the confirmation Peter
 
 To get through the iOS App Store I need a commercial version of 
 LiveCode, so
 can you give us a rough date of when a commercial version of v8 will be
 released? I'm not after a definite date but something I can use to help 
 me
 decide...
 
 Unless some major showstopper problems are encountered, there will be 
 commercial builds of the next release of LiveCode 8.  That'll be in the 
 next couple of weeks.
 
 If an approximate release date is either unknown or too far in the 
 future to
 be contemplated then can you assure us that we could develop in v8 and 
 - as
 long as no widgets etc were used - build standalones with v7?
 
 The LiveCode 8 IDE and engine will automatically save stacks in the v8 
 format if any widgets are used, and in the v7 format otherwise.
 
  Peter
 
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Re: Android - Unfortunately [my app] Has Stopped Working

2015-06-02 Thread Ray

Thanks Neil - will do.

On 6/2/2015 2:09 PM, Neil Roger wrote:

Hi Ray,

Upgrade to 7.0.5 to see if that resolves the issue. If not, fire off a 
report to http://quality.runrev.com and we will happily investigate 
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Re: Android - Unfortunately [my app] Has Stopped Working

2015-06-02 Thread Ray
Neil - just did this and I'm still getting the same problem.  I'll file 
a bug report now.


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Hi Ray,

Upgrade to 7.0.5 to see if that resolves the issue. If not, fire off a 
report to http://quality.runrev.com and we will happily investigate 
further.


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Re: Clock

2015-06-02 Thread Roger Eller
Wow!  I'm 1 of 17.  I never dreamed I would be a part of such an elite
group of clock-face fans.  haha

~Roger


On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 9:17 AM, BNig bernd.niggem...@uni-wh.de wrote:

 Hi Ben,

 thank you, but don't worry

 from the link you have posted:

 9to5Mac points out this equates roughly to a 10 cent take on each of the
 210 million iOS 6 devices

 I have sent Swiss Railroad $ 1.70 to cover all the expected 17 users of the
 clock. And by that number I have a wide margin of safety :-)

 Kind regards
 Bernd



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  Incidentally Rolf Kocherhans from Switzerland has asked me if a
  railwayclock
  type of clock would be feasible.
 
  I gave it a try and here it is. Almost but not quite like the famous
  Swiss
  Railwayclock
 
  
  http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/railwayclock.livecode.zip
  
 
  Very nice.  But note that you don't want to get too close to the Swiss
  Railway
  clock:
 
 http://gizmodo.com/5959542/apples-swiped-swiss-clock-design-cost-21-million
 
  Ben


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Re: Clock

2015-06-02 Thread BNig
Hi Ben,

thank you, but don't worry

from the link you have posted:

9to5Mac points out this equates roughly to a 10 cent take on each of the
210 million iOS 6 devices

I have sent Swiss Railroad $ 1.70 to cover all the expected 17 users of the
clock. And by that number I have a wide margin of safety :-)

Kind regards
Bernd



Ben Rubinstein wrote
 On 01/06/2015 21:20, BNig wrote:
 Incidentally Rolf Kocherhans from Switzerland has asked me if a
 railwayclock
 type of clock would be feasible.

 I gave it a try and here it is. Almost but not quite like the famous
 Swiss
 Railwayclock

 
 http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/railwayclock.livecode.zip
 
 
 Very nice.  But note that you don't want to get too close to the Swiss
 Railway 
 clock:
 http://gizmodo.com/5959542/apples-swiped-swiss-clock-design-cost-21-million
 
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Re: revXMLCreateTree or revCreateXMLTree ?

2015-06-02 Thread Devin Asay

On Jun 2, 2015, at 1:24 AM, j...@souslelogo.com j...@souslelogo.com wrote:

 Hi list
 In a stack with LC Community 6.5.2, both function names work
 (although only revXMLCreateTree is mentioned in the doc)
 while only revCreateXMLTree works on LC server...
 Any explanation for this ?

A few years ago, it seems like most of the functions and commands of the form 
revNnnXMLMmm were deprecated in favor of the form revXMLNnnMmm. I think this is 
a bug on server that should be reported.

Devin


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need help with filter and regex

2015-06-02 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello,

 

in the course of the massiv LC 7 problem with sort international (which is
approved by Runrev) I am looking for a workaround for my repeat selection
and sorting with filter, as Richard H. advised.

 

I don't have much experience with filter, beside of some easy filters nor
regex. Today I am selecting records from an array with multiple selections
in a repeat loop. If a combine this array to do a filter on it, it looks
like this:

Key;string1;string2;number1;number2;string3; etc.

Today I am selecting like: if string1 contains/begins with searchitem and
number2 is/is not x then

1.   I don't understand whats the difference between filter with /
filter matching

2.   As far as I see, I don't get here far with a standard filter and
probably would need a regex to specify in which item of my line I want to do
the selection. Perhaps with the number of semicolons?

Any initial help with a regex filter on this issue is appreciated.

Tiemo

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Mailing stand alone apps.

2015-06-02 Thread Ben Rubinstein

On 02/06/2015 01:27, Jim Hurley wrote:

Oops, on the Subject of the previous message.

I’m trying to email a LC stand alone app to a friend.
But I when I send it to myself as a test, I get a message: Can’t be opened 
because it is from an unidentified developer.”

Is there a work-around?


Right-click in the Finder, and then select Open (instead of just double 
clicking or using command-O); you should then be given a dialog to offer you 
the choice of opening this dangerous app.


Ben


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Re: Clock

2015-06-02 Thread BNig
Roger, just wait for the Lord Eller watch...

Kind regards

Bernd


Roger Eller wrote
 Wow!  I'm 1 of 17.  I never dreamed I would be a part of such an elite
 group of clock-face fans.  haha
 
 ~Roger
 
 
 On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 9:17 AM, BNig lt;

 bernd.niggemann@

 gt; wrote:
 
 Hi Ben,

 thank you, but don't worry

 from the link you have posted:

 9to5Mac points out this equates roughly to a 10 cent take on each of the
 210 million iOS 6 devices

 I have sent Swiss Railroad $ 1.70 to cover all the expected 17 users of
 the
 clock. And by that number I have a wide margin of safety :-)

 Kind regards
 Bernd



 Ben Rubinstein wrote
  On 01/06/2015 21:20, BNig wrote:
  Incidentally Rolf Kocherhans from Switzerland has asked me if a
  railwayclock
  type of clock would be feasible.
 
  I gave it a try and here it is. Almost but not quite like the famous
  Swiss
  Railwayclock
 
  
 
 http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/railwayclock.livecode.zip
  
 
  Very nice.  But note that you don't want to get too close to the Swiss
  Railway
  clock:
 
 http://gizmodo.com/5959542/apples-swiped-swiss-clock-design-cost-21-million
 
  Ben





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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Devin Asay

On Jun 2, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote:

 Hi all. 
 
 So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use a 
 splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the 
 splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to 
 set the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic, 
 it fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure. 
 
 The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am thinking 
 that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is true, I 
 will have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then add them 
 as substacks to the mainstack. 
 
 If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating standalones 
 at first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things. If not, then I 
 am at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property of a given 
 stack. 
 
 I have also tried using the message box: 
 set the mainStack of stack Forms Generator to Forms Generator Splash”
 
 I get: 
 Script compile error:
 Error description: 

Bob,

Don’t try to make your mainstack (the stack with your business logic) a 
substack of the splash stack. They should both be mainstacks, and the splash 
stack (now app) should simply “go to” the other stack. Looking at it another 
way, the splash stack is simply built into an application that contains the 
engine, which in turn can launch any other stack you want.

HTH

Devin

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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
I can see now why people strongly advise NOT to use the substacks feature. It 
is none too compatible with standalone building. 

Bob S


 On Jun 2, 2015, at 09:19 , Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, a substack can't be a mainstack too.
 
 To make this work, its simple enough to just add the stack that has all
 your logic and substacks to the files pane, and add code to your
 splashstack stack that looks for and loads it. (go stack path/to/stack)
 
 Somewhere around here I have a launcher stack that I have used that I can
 drag and drop stack files on.  It adds their path to the list, and from
 that point I can use it to run whatever stack I wish. The same logic
 applies. As long as your splashstack knows where to find a stack, and as
 long as it has the right inclusions for whatever you are doing with your
 stack, it should be able to open it.
 
 On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use a
 splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the
 splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to
 set the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic,
 it fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure.
 
 The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am
 thinking that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is
 true, I will have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then
 add them as substacks to the mainstack.
 
 If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating
 standalones at first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things.
 If not, then I am at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property
 of a given stack.
 
 I have also tried using the message box:
 set the mainStack of stack Forms Generator to Forms Generator Splash”
 
 I get:
 Script compile error:
 Error description:
 
 Bob S
 
 
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Re: need help with filter and regex

2015-06-02 Thread Mike Bonner
You can do interesting things with just filter..

For example, to end up with items that contain a string in string one, and
number 2 IS a specific number you could do something like this

filter tMyVar with *;*stringtofind*;*;*;345;*
This will match any value of key and any value for string 1 that has the
string to find in it, any value for string 2, any value for number 1, and
345 for number 2, then match the remainder of the string.
For begins with, it would be ;stringtofind*;  for an exact match it would
be ;stringtofind;

Having said all that, it seems that a repeat for each loop would work very
well, and should be pretty fast even with 7.

set the itemdelimiter to ;
repeat for each line tLine in tMyVar
 if item 2 of tLine contains stringtofind and item item 5 of tLine is 345
then put tLine  cr after tNewData
end repeat
delete the last char of tNewData -- tNewdata now contains what you're
looking for.

In fact, it shouldn't be too awful difficult to build a generic function
that you could pass arguments to detailing what items to check for what
values in what way.

I love the way Andres dblib builds its queries up, if you get a chance I'd
call it recommended reading.

Finally, while I love arrays, i'm wondering if there is a reason you aren't
using sqlite for this?  It seems like it would be so much easier to have
sqlite hand you what you're looking for.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de
wrote:

 Hello,



 in the course of the massiv LC 7 problem with sort international (which is
 approved by Runrev) I am looking for a workaround for my repeat selection
 and sorting with filter, as Richard H. advised.



 I don't have much experience with filter, beside of some easy filters nor
 regex. Today I am selecting records from an array with multiple selections
 in a repeat loop. If a combine this array to do a filter on it, it looks
 like this:

 Key;string1;string2;number1;number2;string3; etc.

 Today I am selecting like: if string1 contains/begins with searchitem and
 number2 is/is not x then

 1.   I don't understand whats the difference between filter with /
 filter matching

 2.   As far as I see, I don't get here far with a standard filter and
 probably would need a regex to specify in which item of my line I want to
 do
 the selection. Perhaps with the number of semicolons?

 Any initial help with a regex filter on this issue is appreciated.

 Tiemo











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Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hi all. 

So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use a 
splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the 
splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to set 
the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic, it 
fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure. 

The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am thinking 
that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is true, I will 
have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then add them as 
substacks to the mainstack. 

If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating standalones at 
first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things. If not, then I am 
at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property of a given stack. 

I have also tried using the message box: 
set the mainStack of stack Forms Generator to Forms Generator Splash”

I get: 
Script compile error:
Error description: 

Bob S


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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Mike Bonner
Yep, a substack can't be a mainstack too.

To make this work, its simple enough to just add the stack that has all
your logic and substacks to the files pane, and add code to your
splashstack stack that looks for and loads it. (go stack path/to/stack)

Somewhere around here I have a launcher stack that I have used that I can
drag and drop stack files on.  It adds their path to the list, and from
that point I can use it to run whatever stack I wish. The same logic
applies. As long as your splashstack knows where to find a stack, and as
long as it has the right inclusions for whatever you are doing with your
stack, it should be able to open it.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
wrote:

 Hi all.

 So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use a
 splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the
 splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to
 set the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic,
 it fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure.

 The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am
 thinking that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is
 true, I will have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then
 add them as substacks to the mainstack.

 If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating
 standalones at first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things.
 If not, then I am at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property
 of a given stack.

 I have also tried using the message box:
 set the mainStack of stack Forms Generator to Forms Generator Splash”

 I get:
 Script compile error:
 Error description:

 Bob S


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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
Thanks Mike I’ll give that a try. 

Bob S


 On Jun 2, 2015, at 09:19 , Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, a substack can't be a mainstack too.
 
 To make this work, its simple enough to just add the stack that has all
 your logic and substacks to the files pane, and add code to your
 splashstack stack that looks for and loads it. (go stack path/to/stack)
 
 Somewhere around here I have a launcher stack that I have used that I can
 drag and drop stack files on.  It adds their path to the list, and from
 that point I can use it to run whatever stack I wish. The same logic
 applies. As long as your splashstack knows where to find a stack, and as
 long as it has the right inclusions for whatever you are doing with your
 stack, it should be able to open it.
 
 On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use a
 splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the
 splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to
 set the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic,
 it fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure.
 
 The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am
 thinking that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is
 true, I will have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then
 add them as substacks to the mainstack.
 
 If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating
 standalones at first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things.
 If not, then I am at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property
 of a given stack.
 
 I have also tried using the message box:
 set the mainStack of stack Forms Generator to Forms Generator Splash”
 
 I get:
 Script compile error:
 Error description:
 
 Bob S
 
 
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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Mike Bonner
Also, you can have your stack with its logic in a web server and pop up the
stack from there too, then have the splashstack save it wherever, as well
as check for updated stacks on the server.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yep, a substack can't be a mainstack too.

 To make this work, its simple enough to just add the stack that has all
 your logic and substacks to the files pane, and add code to your
 splashstack stack that looks for and loads it. (go stack path/to/stack)

 Somewhere around here I have a launcher stack that I have used that I can
 drag and drop stack files on.  It adds their path to the list, and from
 that point I can use it to run whatever stack I wish. The same logic
 applies. As long as your splashstack knows where to find a stack, and as
 long as it has the right inclusions for whatever you are doing with your
 stack, it should be able to open it.

 On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
 wrote:

 Hi all.

 So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use
 a splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the
 splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to
 set the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic,
 it fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure.

 The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am
 thinking that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is
 true, I will have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then
 add them as substacks to the mainstack.

 If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating
 standalones at first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things.
 If not, then I am at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property
 of a given stack.

 I have also tried using the message box:
 set the mainStack of stack Forms Generator to Forms Generator Splash”

 I get:
 Script compile error:
 Error description:

 Bob S


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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
Thanks Devin.

With this approach I am finding that letting Livecode automatically find the 
libraries it needs is not successful. First, none of my data grids work, even 
though I have added a data grid to the splash stack. Second, none of the image 
files I have referenced in the primary stack are being accessed. I suppose I 
will need to manually add those as well to the application folder.

I will, at the risk of sounding like I am whining, repeat the sentiment others 
have expressed, that this is more difficult to get working than it ought to be.

Bob S


On Jun 2, 2015, at 09:21 , Devin Asay 
devin_a...@byu.edumailto:devin_a...@byu.edu wrote:


On Jun 2, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar 
bobsnei...@iotecdigital.commailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote:

Hi all.

So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use a 
splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the 
splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to set 
the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic, it 
fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure.

The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am thinking 
that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is true, I will 
have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then add them as 
substacks to the mainstack.

If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating standalones at 
first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things. If not, then I am 
at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property of a given stack.

I have also tried using the message box:
set the mainStack of stack Forms Generator to Forms Generator Splash”

I get:
Script compile error:
Error description:

Bob,

Don’t try to make your mainstack (the stack with your business logic) a 
substack of the splash stack. They should both be mainstacks, and the splash 
stack (now app) should simply “go to” the other stack. Looking at it another 
way, the splash stack is simply built into an application that contains the 
engine, which in turn can launch any other stack you want.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University


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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Scott Rossi
Bob:

Follow Devin's advice.  Building a launcher (splash) app shouldn't be that 
complicated.  The standalone just needs to be a simple minimal stack that 
launches your real main stack containing all your logic, sub stacks, etc.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media UX/UI Design

 On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Devin.
 
 With this approach I am finding that letting Livecode automatically find the 
 libraries it needs is not successful. First, none of my data grids work, even 
 though I have added a data grid to the splash stack. Second, none of the 
 image files I have referenced in the primary stack are being accessed. I 
 suppose I will need to manually add those as well to the application folder.
 
 I will, at the risk of sounding like I am whining, repeat the sentiment 
 others have expressed, that this is more difficult to get working than it 
 ought to be.
 
 Bob S
 
 
 On Jun 2, 2015, at 09:21 , Devin Asay 
 devin_a...@byu.edumailto:devin_a...@byu.edu wrote:
 
 
 On Jun 2, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar 
 bobsnei...@iotecdigital.commailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use a 
 splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the 
 splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to 
 set the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic, 
 it fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure.
 
 The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am thinking 
 that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is true, I 
 will have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then add them 
 as substacks to the mainstack.
 
 If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating standalones 
 at first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things. If not, then I 
 am at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property of a given stack.

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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread EED-wp Email
I find it very convenient to use substacks for my main stack module to keep 
code required by that module together. The mainstack gets a list of the 
substacks and does a start using for each of them. When i get thousands of 
lines of code
, it is convenient to divide scripts by function, into stack scripts of the 
substacks. Personally, i love substacks. 
Bill
William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

 On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:30 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote:
 
 I can see now why people strongly advise NOT to use the substacks feature. It 
 is none too compatible with standalone building. 
 
 Bob S
 
 
 On Jun 2, 2015, at 09:19 , Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, a substack can't be a mainstack too.
 
 To make this work, its simple enough to just add the stack that has all
 your logic and substacks to the files pane, and add code to your
 splashstack stack that looks for and loads it. (go stack path/to/stack)
 
 Somewhere around here I have a launcher stack that I have used that I can
 drag and drop stack files on.  It adds their path to the list, and from
 that point I can use it to run whatever stack I wish. The same logic
 applies. As long as your splashstack knows where to find a stack, and as
 long as it has the right inclusions for whatever you are doing with your
 stack, it should be able to open it.
 
 On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use a
 splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the
 splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to
 set the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic,
 it fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure.
 
 The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am
 thinking that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is
 true, I will have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then
 add them as substacks to the mainstack.
 
 If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating
 standalones at first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things.
 If not, then I am at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property
 of a given stack.
 
 I have also tried using the message box:
 set the mainStack of stack Forms Generator to Forms Generator Splash”
 
 I get:
 Script compile error:
 Error description:
 
 Bob S
 
 
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Re: Standalone Build Problem

2015-06-02 Thread Mike Bonner
Yep, it won't find the inclusions, you need to pick and choose yourself
because the splashstack is mostly empty of code. The can't figure out what
you need from code that isn't there.

As for the datagrid, I wonder.. If I recall, you don't actually have to
include a datagrid for it to work. Check out this link which mentions
building using the splashstack method..
http://lessons.runrev.com/m/datagrid/l/7339-what-do-i-need-to-do-to-deploy-a-standalone-with-a-data-grid
If you want to search for inclusions automagically, I guess you could cheat
also.

Make a handler that never gets called.  You want sqlite support?  put in a
revopendatabase call.  Same for any other support you need, put in a line
of code that requires whatever support you're looking to add to the
splashstack, to this non-functional handler, so that the build process can
decide that you need whatever you need

Its pretty easy though to manually choose inclusions.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
wrote:

 Thanks Devin.

 With this approach I am finding that letting Livecode automatically find
 the libraries it needs is not successful. First, none of my data grids
 work, even though I have added a data grid to the splash stack. Second,
 none of the image files I have referenced in the primary stack are being
 accessed. I suppose I will need to manually add those as well to the
 application folder.

 I will, at the risk of sounding like I am whining, repeat the sentiment
 others have expressed, that this is more difficult to get working than it
 ought to be.

 Bob S


 On Jun 2, 2015, at 09:21 , Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edumailto:
 devin_a...@byu.edu wrote:


 On Jun 2, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
 mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote:

 Hi all.

 So I am creating a standalone for the first time, and I am trying to use a
 splash stack. Taking the advice of others I have added a data grid to the
 splash stack so that the data grid library get added. Now when I attempt to
 set the mainstack of the actual stack that contains all the business logic,
 it fails. I think I might know why, but I’ll ask to be sure.

 The actual application stack has a number of substacks already. I am
 thinking that a substack cannot itself contain other substacks. If this is
 true, I will have to break out all of my other stacks as single files, then
 add them as substacks to the mainstack.

 If this is true, I can see why new users have problems creating
 standalones at first. It is a rather convoluted way of going about things.
 If not, then I am at a loss to know why I cannot set the mainstack property
 of a given stack.

 I have also tried using the message box:
 set the mainStack of stack Forms Generator to Forms Generator Splash”

 I get:
 Script compile error:
 Error description:

 Bob,

 Don’t try to make your mainstack (the stack with your business logic) a
 substack of the splash stack. They should both be mainstacks, and the
 splash stack (now app) should simply “go to” the other stack. Looking at it
 another way, the splash stack is simply built into an application that
 contains the engine, which in turn can launch any other stack you want.

 HTH

 Devin

 Devin Asay
 Office of Digital Humanities
 Brigham Young University


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