Re: 7.0.5 not so stable

[Neil Roger]

Hi Ray,

I don't believe we've had any other reports of stack corruption in 7.0.5 
so this could be a one off incident (although, corrupt stacks should 
never happen).


 As this is the case, I would open another report with our QC team 
regarding the corruption (including your stack) as this will give our 
team the opportunity to track down what caused this to happen.


The same goes for scrolling in the datagrid, although this does sound 
like a regression as I'm sure I remember seeing a datagrid scrolling 
related fix mentioned in the lists


Kind Regards,

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On 02/06/2015 21:02, Ray wrote:
Neil - I upgraded today to 7.0.5 as you suggested.  Unfortunately this 
did not solve the problem of an Android app displaying "Unfortunately 
[my app] has stopped working" but you should know it also gave me 
other problems.  I was unable to scroll in a data grid which works 
fine in 7.0.2.  Scrolling simply jumped to the end instead of 
scrolling.  Worse, 7.0.5 corrupted my stack.  I couldn't re-open it 
with either 7.0.5 or 7.0.2 and was left with no ~ backup stack.  I've 
rolled back to 7.0.2 for obvious reasons.


I hate to complain on the heels of the recent and rather lengthy 
"performance slow down" thread, but if we're going to call a version 
"stable" shouldn't it be just that?


On 6/2/2015 2:09 PM, Neil Roger wrote:

Hi Ray,

Upgrade to 7.0.5 to see if that resolves the issue. If not, fire off 
a report to http://quality.runrev.com and we will happily investigate 
further.


Kind Regards,

Neil




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On 02/06/2015 12:59, Ray wrote:

Does anybody know what to do about this?

Windows 8.1
Livecode 7.0.2
Minimum Android Version: 3.1

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LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

One of the extended goals of the LiveCode crowdfunding was to replace
Quicktime by a new cross-platform video player.

Last time I have asked, I was told that it should come with LC 8.

 

The Quicktime installer is the hardest pain in customer issues for me. Since
6 years I have from time to time customers on Windows, where LiveCode
doesn't finds the old QT API. Each time it drives me and my customers crazy,
they have to install QT up to 10 times, until LC accepts it and sometimes I
have customers, who never succeed to get QT and LC to run and have to return
my product. Yes I have tried to install "as admin", without AntiVir, to
install it "over" or deinstall the previos QT first, to install different QT
versions, etc, but have never found the reason, why it fails at some
customers up to today.

So a modern, crossplattform video player, which "just works" would be a real
relief.

 

Has anybody heard anything about it in the roadmap of LC 8? Will it come
with 8?

Perhaps one of the listening LC guys or Richard?

Tiemo

 

 

 

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Re: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

[Martin Koob]

Hi for the Mac the player that was based on QuickTime has already been
replaced with a player based on AVFoundation.  

>From my understanding the cross platform player will be a widget which have
made its debut in the LiveCode 8 DPs.  My understanding is that once widgets
are in place work can start on the cross platform player.  There are other
controls that will be based on widgets that the team will be working on I am
sure. It would be good to hear what the time line is for seeing these new
widget based controls rolled out and where the cross platform player is in
that timeline.

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Data Grid Scroll Jumps

[Ray]

This problem has come up before, but I don't remember understanding or 
solving it.


In a data grid with the vScrollBar set to true, scrolling suddenly stops 
working.  Any attempt to scroll through about 100 rows of data simply 
jumps to the end and shows only the last row at the very top of the 
grid.  It doesn't matter whether I use the arrows, drag the scroll tab 
or click in the scroll bar.


This seems to have started yesterday when I upgraded to 7.0.5 and then 
went back to 7.0.2 when 7.0.5 corrupted beyond repair a large stack I've 
been working on for several years.  Is there a 'clean install' of some 
sort that I should have done instead of simply uninstalling 7.0.5 and 
re-installing 7.0.2?


Many thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

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Re: Standalone Build Problem

[Bob Sneidar]

Understood. That is why I have the compiler separate the substacks out as 
individual stacks. I just need to make all my stacks and substacks, substacks 
of the splash stack. 

Bob S


> On Jun 2, 2015, at 17:46 , J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
> If you set all the stacks as substacks of the splash, they can't be modified 
> either. The only way they can be modified is if they're separate stacks (or a 
> mainstack with substacks) on disk. Basically everything in the standalone 
> file is permanent. 
> 
> On June 2, 2015 6:47:38 PM CDT, Bob Sneidar  
> wrote:
>> The problem is, then the mainStack cannot be modified, and it needs to
>> be. I set properties in the mainStack. I have settings cards in the
>> mainStack. And besides, I want to eventually have a cool splash screen
>> with a custom shape. It’s called Forms Generator, and I envisioned a
>> generator or maybe something like a grinder with large PDF, Word and
>> Excel icons coming out of it. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2015, at 16:15 , J. Landman Gay 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 6/2/2015 4:47 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 I was thinking about how to proceed, and I realize that what I need
 to do is have both stacks open, then set the mainstack of each of
 what are now substacks of my app stack, to the splash stack, then
>> set
 the mainstack of my primary app stack to the splash stack.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure there's much point in using the splash method in this
>> case since it's all just one file anyway and changes can't be saved --
>> unless, maybe, you just want a splash image on startup and you don't
>> want that card in the way later on. But if you don't care about a
>> startup screen, I think I'd just compile the main stack into the
>> standalone.
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Reducing the size of Windows standalone

[Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel]

Hey LC'ers,

My standalone file sizes have almost doubled / tripled since version 7.  Is
this all due to Unicode additions?  I have a file that always used to be
3mb and now is climbing to 9mb with no additions to the coding.

Just seems like quite a jump in size.

SKIP
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Re: need help with filter and regex

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB 
wrote:

> You are right, that it would be a typical db task and actually I was using
> valentina for this (could also be done with sqlite).
>

in-memory sqlite is blindingly fast; typically sub-millisecond response for
me.  I replaced my internal data array with it--the alternative was looping
through array sections for searches, or copying large chunks to filter!


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Re: Standalone Build Problem

[Rick Harrison]

Hi Bob,

Make sure you have permission to grind Word and Excel icons from Microsoft.
They might not like you messing with their trademarks.  Adobe might not be
fond of your idea either.

Ask your Lawyer what he thinks about it.

Perhaps, a more generic version of just documents would be a safer alternative.

Cheers,

Rick


> On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:47 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> The problem is, then the mainStack cannot be modified, and it needs to be. I 
> set properties in the mainStack. I have settings cards in the mainStack. And 
> besides, I want to eventually have a cool splash screen with a custom shape. 
> It’s called Forms Generator, and I envisioned a generator or maybe something 
> like a grinder with large PDF, Word and Excel icons coming out of it. 
> 
> Bob S


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Re: iOS & Android App in a Day workshop (and much more)

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi all

I wrote a quick report on the day here:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=24297&p=126665#p126665 (v
few numbers but good fun...)

And have released an intro video to the app and Learning Resources for it
here: 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24465&p=126667#p126667

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AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

I didn't knew that the cross platform player will be a widget. Interesting
to know.
Tiemo


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Betreff: Re: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

Hi for the Mac the player that was based on QuickTime has already been
replaced with a player based on AVFoundation.  

>From my understanding the cross platform player will be a widget which have
made its debut in the LiveCode 8 DPs.  My understanding is that once widgets
are in place work can start on the cross platform player.  There are other
controls that will be based on widgets that the team will be working on I am
sure. It would be good to hear what the time line is for seeing these new
widget based controls rolled out and where the cross platform player is in
that timeline.

Martin Koob



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Re: Reducing the size of Windows standalone

[Richard Gaskin]

Skip wrote:

My standalone file sizes have almost doubled / tripled since version 7.  Is
this all due to Unicode additions?  I have a file that always used to be
3mb and now is climbing to 9mb with no additions to the coding.

Just seems like quite a jump in size.


v6.7.5 had a Windows runtime engine weighing in at 3.5 MB, and in v7 
that's now 8.9 MB.


A jump indeed, and I'm told much of it is related to Unicode libraries, 
for which I've heard mixed prognoses about the likelihood of having 
conditional inclusion at some point in the future.


In the here-and-now, even at the current size it's a fraction of what 
ToolBook and many similar tools require, and unlike most of them the 
LiveCode engine is self-contained, only requiring DLLs for specialized 
things like databases.  I believe Xojo's core library is a bit smaller 
than LiveCode's, but not by as much as one might expect for a tool 
requiring lower-level compilation.  Last I looked the Python engine was 
at least twice as large as LiveCode's.


I don't spend enough time on Windows to have a feel for how LC's engine 
size compares with other app sizes, and Linux apps generally favor heavy 
dependency on shared libraries so app sizes can be smaller but with 
compatibility risks LiveCode is usually immune to.


On OS X, reviewing app sizes in general helps us appreciate that the new 
engine isn't all that large compared to other OS X apps, it's just that 
the older engines were very very small by such comparison.


It's always been the case that xTalk app sizes start out large relative 
to functionality.  That is, if you make a window with a single button 
that displays "Hello World" in Microsoft Visual C++ and do the same 
thing in LiveCode, there will be a big difference.


But with LiveCode this is a one-time hit.  As you add features to your 
app the engine stays the same size.  You can multiply features in your 
LiveCode app with only incremental increase in file size, but executable 
file size will multiply with other development systems, often ultimately 
surpassing what's needed to deliver that feature set in LiveCode.


A comparison with other specific app sizes and more details can be found 
in this post from February:



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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

[Richmond]

On 03/06/15 20:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

I didn't knew that the cross platform player will be a widget. Interesting
to know.
Tiemo
You don't "know" as Martin Koob writes "From my understanding", which, 
logically does NOT state
that "the" cross-platform player for LiveCode 8 will be a widget. All he 
DOES state is that he believes

there will be a cross-platform player and that it will be a widget.

All you are doing is indulging in fuzzy thinking.

What would be good would be a categorical statement from RunRev as to 
whether there will be a cross-platform player,

when that will happen, and its nature.

Richmond.


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Betreff: Re: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

Hi for the Mac the player that was based on QuickTime has already been
replaced with a player based on AVFoundation.

 From my understanding the cross platform player will be a widget which have
made its debut in the LiveCode 8 DPs.  My understanding is that once widgets
are in place work can start on the cross platform player.  There are other
controls that will be based on widgets that the team will be working on I am
sure. It would be good to hear what the time line is for seeing these new
widget based controls rolled out and where the cross platform player is in
that timeline.

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Re: Reducing the size of Windows standalone

[Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel]

Thank you Richard.

SKIP

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Skip wrote:
>
>> My standalone file sizes have almost doubled / tripled since version 7.
>> Is
>> this all due to Unicode additions?  I have a file that always used to be
>> 3mb and now is climbing to 9mb with no additions to the coding.
>>
>> Just seems like quite a jump in size.
>>
>
> v6.7.5 had a Windows runtime engine weighing in at 3.5 MB, and in v7
> that's now 8.9 MB.
>
> A jump indeed, and I'm told much of it is related to Unicode libraries,
> for which I've heard mixed prognoses about the likelihood of having
> conditional inclusion at some point in the future.
>
> In the here-and-now, even at the current size it's a fraction of what
> ToolBook and many similar tools require, and unlike most of them the
> LiveCode engine is self-contained, only requiring DLLs for specialized
> things like databases.  I believe Xojo's core library is a bit smaller than
> LiveCode's, but not by as much as one might expect for a tool requiring
> lower-level compilation.  Last I looked the Python engine was at least
> twice as large as LiveCode's.
>
> I don't spend enough time on Windows to have a feel for how LC's engine
> size compares with other app sizes, and Linux apps generally favor heavy
> dependency on shared libraries so app sizes can be smaller but with
> compatibility risks LiveCode is usually immune to.
>
> On OS X, reviewing app sizes in general helps us appreciate that the new
> engine isn't all that large compared to other OS X apps, it's just that the
> older engines were very very small by such comparison.
>
> It's always been the case that xTalk app sizes start out large relative to
> functionality.  That is, if you make a window with a single button that
> displays "Hello World" in Microsoft Visual C++ and do the same thing in
> LiveCode, there will be a big difference.
>
> But with LiveCode this is a one-time hit.  As you add features to your app
> the engine stays the same size.  You can multiply features in your LiveCode
> app with only incremental increase in file size, but executable file size
> will multiply with other development systems, often ultimately surpassing
> what's needed to deliver that feature set in LiveCode.
>
> A comparison with other specific app sizes and more details can be found
> in this post from February:
> 
>
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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

[Richard Gaskin]

Richmond wrote:

On 03/06/15 20:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>> I didn't knew that the cross platform player will be a widget.
>> Interesting to know.
>>
> You don't "know" as Martin Koob writes "From my understanding",
> which, logically does NOT state that "the" cross-platform player
> for LiveCode 8 will be a widget. All he DOES state is that he
> believes there will be a cross-platform player and that it will
> be a widget.
>
> All you are doing is indulging in fuzzy thinking.

Or just good memory.

While the Roadmap is currently a bit disorganized and incomplete (many 
changes going on with the Web site right now), previous editions of it 
did include discussion of a rewrite of the multimedia playback subsystem 
which is dependent on the Widgets architecture.


Kevin and others from the company have mentioned this in various venues 
from time to time as well.


And as your Community Liaison, I can further offer that all discussions 
on behalf of the community with relevant team members reinforce Martin's 
reliable recollection of the plan.



And since like myself you enjoy Linux, you may be pleased to hear of a 
chance things might just get a little better before then:


For the last several years there's been no reliable way to play video or 
audio in Linux, and in v7 attempting to set the filename of a player to 
any valid media file I've tested crashes or hangs (#14427).


As part of the team's effort to ensure this community can confidently 
migrate their work to v7, Ben has solicited lists of critical 
showstoppers from the community, and that issue was included on mine.


At this time it's premature to suggest they'll be able to do as much as 
honoring the startTime property for player objects, and details like 
that may indeed have to wait for a more complete overhaul planned for 
the post-Widgets engine.


But in the meantime I'm hoping we can at least get basic playback 
functioning, which may seem trivial to Mac users who've been enjoying 
all the time the team has devoted for a wide range of multimedia 
activities in LiveCode all the way down to very flexible audio and video 
recording.  But for us Linux folk, even having just basic playback will 
be a welcome step toward baseline feature parity.


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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

[Richard Gaskin]

Addendum to my last post:

A quick search in Google for "LiveCode Roadmap" turned up the current 
URL in the first hit, and on that page we see under the "Widgets" column:


   Cross browser player object Use widget framework to wrap
   video playback on all platforms into a single object.

That is of course a typo, where "cross browser" should be "cross 
platform".  Their webmaster is CC'd with this email so I suspect that'll 
be corrected shortly.


Going forward, when there are questions about the road ahead, the 
Roadmap is a great place to start. :)


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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

[Martin Koob]

Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
> You don't "know" as Martin Koob writes "From my understanding", which, 
> logically does NOT state
> that "the" cross-platform player for LiveCode 8 will be a widget. All he 
> DOES state is that he believes
> there will be a cross-platform player and that it will be a widget.
> 
> All you are doing is indulging in fuzzy thinking.
> 
> What would be good would be a categorical statement from RunRev as to 
> whether there will be a cross-platform player,
> when that will happen, and its nature.
> 
> Richmond.


Actually Richmond I was weaselling out  of stating categorically that the
cross platform player object "will" be a widget because I was too lazy to
confirm what I believed.  Tiemo was not engaged in fuzzy thinking but rather
reading between the lines suspecting that what I really wanted to say "I
know" but that I didn't want to put the time in to back up my assertion. So
it was I who introduced the fuzziness.  

So thus chastened I have looked it up again to confirm.
It was from the following LiveCode Blog post.

The present and future LiveCode
by Ben Beaumont on June 30, 2014 ,
http://livecode.com/the-present-and-future-livecode/

"Cross browser player object
Use widget framework to wrap video playback on all platforms into a single
object."

So what I don't know is when the cross browser player object will be
delivered and I agree it would be nice to get an update on the road map from
LiveCode to show what has been completed and what is in the various threads.

Martin




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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

[Richmond]

On 03/06/15 20:49, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:

On 03/06/15 20:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>> I didn't knew that the cross platform player will be a widget.
>> Interesting to know.
>>
> You don't "know" as Martin Koob writes "From my understanding",
> which, logically does NOT state that "the" cross-platform player
> for LiveCode 8 will be a widget. All he DOES state is that he
> believes there will be a cross-platform player and that it will
> be a widget.
>
> All you are doing is indulging in fuzzy thinking.

Or just good memory.

While the Roadmap is currently a bit disorganized and incomplete (many 
changes going on with the Web site right now), previous editions of it 
did include discussion of a rewrite of the multimedia playback 
subsystem which is dependent on the Widgets architecture.


Kevin and others from the company have mentioned this in various 
venues from time to time as well.


And as your Community Liaison, I can further offer that all 
discussions on behalf of the community with relevant team members 
reinforce Martin's reliable recollection of the plan.



And since like myself you enjoy Linux, you may be pleased to hear of a 
chance things might just get a little better before then:


For the last several years there's been no reliable way to play video 
or audio in Linux, and in v7 attempting to set the filename of a 
player to any valid media file I've tested crashes or hangs (#14427).


Since 2001 at least; if that constitutes "the last several years" . . .

I tried to get some video going in Linux with some strange arrangement 
in about 2004 without any joy at all.


As part of the team's effort to ensure this community can confidently 
migrate their work to v7, Ben has solicited lists of critical 
showstoppers from the community, and that issue was included on mine.


At this time it's premature to suggest they'll be able to do as much 
as honoring the startTime property for player objects, and details 
like that may indeed have to wait for a more complete overhaul planned 
for the post-Widgets engine.


But in the meantime I'm hoping we can at least get basic playback 
functioning, which may seem trivial to Mac users who've been enjoying 
all the time the team has devoted for a wide range of multimedia 
activities in LiveCode all the way down to very flexible audio and 
video recording.  But for us Linux folk, even having just basic 
playback will be a welcome step toward baseline feature parity.


We don't need anything 'fancy': merely simple PLAY, PAUSE, STOP for 
video in a player object.


AND, the most important thing is that one doesn't have to spend hours 
fiddling around for different platforms.


Richmond.


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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

[Richmond]

On 03/06/15 20:53, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Addendum to my last post:

A quick search in Google for "LiveCode Roadmap" turned up the current 
URL in the first hit, and on that page we see under the "Widgets" column:


   Cross browser player object Use widget framework to wrap
   video playback on all platforms into a single object.

That is of course a typo, where "cross browser" should be "cross 
platform".  Their webmaster is CC'd with this email so I suspect 
that'll be corrected shortly.


Going forward, when there are questions about the road ahead, the 
Roadmap is a great place to start. :)




Is this: http://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/  what you mean?

It would be good if a version of that with red rings drawn round the 
things completed (or semi-completed with percentages) were released.


Because, nice as it is, it doesn't really give any idea of where on the 
roadmap things are.


Richmond.

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Re: Standalone Build Problem

[Bob Sneidar]

Well currently it’s for internal consumption only. If I ever distribute it then 
I will indeed do that.

Bob S


> On Jun 3, 2015, at 09:15 , Rick Harrison  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> Make sure you have permission to grind Word and Excel icons from Microsoft.
> They might not like you messing with their trademarks.  Adobe might not be
> fond of your idea either.
> 
> Ask your Lawyer what he thinks about it.
> 
> Perhaps, a more generic version of just documents would be a safer 
> alternative.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:47 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
>> 
>> The problem is, then the mainStack cannot be modified, and it needs to be. I 
>> set properties in the mainStack. I have settings cards in the mainStack. And 
>> besides, I want to eventually have a cool splash screen with a custom shape. 
>> It’s called Forms Generator, and I envisioned a generator or maybe something 
>> like a grinder with large PDF, Word and Excel icons coming out of it. 
>> 
>> Bob S
> 
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Re: Clock

[BNig]

Hi Roger,

here is the "Lord Eller"® clock faces...

Not like Lord Elgin, but also a bit off...

just some faces to test moving text.

-
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/LordEllerWatch_0_1.livecode.zip
-

with these clock faces you will probably be the only one who uses them :)
That's what I call exclusive.

If you want I can sign them.

Kind regards

Bernd




Roger Eller wrote
> VERY nice!  Up for a challenge?  Try the Lord Elgin "windowed" style.
> 
> http://itsawindup.com/media/product-img/231b4cab7a31a7fbbc8b9cdb2050c23e/u1.jpg
> 
> https://d31wxntiwn0x96.cloudfront.net/rzgade/productimages/1748.jpg
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:20 PM, BNig <

> bernd.niggemann@

> > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Roger,
>>
>>
>> thank you for testing my clock from rev-online on android.
>>
>> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/749/Clock
>>
>> Incidentally Rolf Kocherhans from Switzerland has asked me if a
>> railwayclock
>> type of clock would be feasible.
>>
>> I gave it a try and here it is. Almost but not quite like the famous
>> Swiss
>> Railwayclock
>>
>> 
>> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/railwayclock.livecode.zip
>> 
>>
>> It is made entirely of graphics, resizable, and almost continuous
>> movement
>> of the second hand.
>>
>> It stops at the full minute to advance the minute hand.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>> Roger Eller wrote
>> > Of course LiveCode clocks built for Android are great for running on
>> > certain smart watches.  If the app is 240 x 240 pixels, or set to
>> > auto-scale then it will work as a watch app.  My only wish would be
>> that
>> > we
>> > could have official LC support for "Android Wear" watches.
>> >
>> > http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/2015/01/program-your-watch.html
>> >
>> > This watch is pre-android-wear, but instead comes with Android 4.4
>> > (KitKat):
>> >
>> http://www.amazon.com/Z-Watch-Bluetooth-802-11b-Android-Devices/dp/B00KV9LZVS/
>> >
>> > ~Roger





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Re: Clock

[Roger Eller]

OMGosh!   Bernd - these are really awesome!  I will install to my watch
tonight.

~Roger



On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:32 PM, BNig  wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>
> here is the "Lord Eller"® clock faces...
>
> Not like Lord Elgin, but also a bit off...
>
> just some faces to test moving text.
>
> -
>
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/LordEllerWatch_0_1.livecode.zip
> -
>
> with these clock faces you will probably be the only one who uses them :)
> That's what I call exclusive.
>
> If you want I can sign them.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Bernd
>
>
>
>
> Roger Eller wrote
> > VERY nice!  Up for a challenge?  Try the Lord Elgin "windowed" style.
> >
> >
> http://itsawindup.com/media/product-img/231b4cab7a31a7fbbc8b9cdb2050c23e/u1.jpg
> >
> > https://d31wxntiwn0x96.cloudfront.net/rzgade/productimages/1748.jpg
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:20 PM, BNig <
>
> > bernd.niggemann@
>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Roger,
> >>
> >>
> >> thank you for testing my clock from rev-online on android.
> >>
> >> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/749/Clock
> >>
> >> Incidentally Rolf Kocherhans from Switzerland has asked me if a
> >> railwayclock
> >> type of clock would be feasible.
> >>
> >> I gave it a try and here it is. Almost but not quite like the famous
> >> Swiss
> >> Railwayclock
> >>
> >> 
> >> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/railwayclock.livecode.zip
> >> 
> >>
> >> It is made entirely of graphics, resizable, and almost continuous
> >> movement
> >> of the second hand.
> >>
> >> It stops at the full minute to advance the minute hand.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Bernd
> >>
> >>
> >> Roger Eller wrote
> >> > Of course LiveCode clocks built for Android are great for running on
> >> > certain smart watches.  If the app is 240 x 240 pixels, or set to
> >> > auto-scale then it will work as a watch app.  My only wish would be
> >> that
> >> > we
> >> > could have official LC support for "Android Wear" watches.
> >> >
> >> > http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/2015/01/program-your-watch.html
> >> >
> >> > This watch is pre-android-wear, but instead comes with Android 4.4
> >> > (KitKat):
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/Z-Watch-Bluetooth-802-11b-Android-Devices/dp/B00KV9LZVS/
> >> >
> >> > ~Roger
>
>
>
>
>
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Roadmap

[Richmond]

Um: http://livecode.com/the-present-and-future-livecode/

Maybe I'm doing some fuzzy thinking, but I do seem to remember something 
about import and export of vector graphics,

possibly in the SVG format.

Where is the Full IDE prototype . . . ?

This is odd, as it states that a Full IDE Prototype depends on Widgets 
and Themes, which just is not true:


an alternative IDE can be cobbled together right now - I mucked around 
with the revToolbar palette extensively way back
with version 2.0 - RunRev started up peddling an alternative IDE to 
MetaCard.


Richmond

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Re: Clock

[BNig]

Thanks Roger,

as all exclusive watches they are "hand made", a bit tricky to adapt. 

I just wanted to tweak my scrollers to work as watch-faces in remote-control
mode. So I only adapted what was needed to make them run. (by the way you
can scroll the hour / minute / second field.)
What was to be a quick tweak turned out to be a longer debugging session in
LC 7.0.5 because 7.0.5 did not like some stuff. At least I learned a lot. In
final testing it turned out that the 5.5 format of the stack was not
compatible with 6.5.5, crash on save. Intermediate saving via 6.7.3 restored
savability in 6.6.5. 
I guess Edinburgh is weaning us off from pre 6.7.5 / 7.0.5 stuff. :) Maybe
this helps someone in a similar situation.

Kind regards
Bernd


Roger Eller wrote
> OMGosh!   Bernd - these are really awesome!  I will install to my
> watch
> tonight.
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:32 PM, BNig <

> bernd.niggemann@

> > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Roger,
>>
>> here is the "Lord Eller"® clock faces...
>>
>> Not like Lord Elgin, but also a bit off...
>>
>> just some faces to test moving text.
>>
>> -
>>
>> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/LordEllerWatch_0_1.livecode.zip
>> -
>>
>> with these clock faces you will probably be the only one who uses them :)
>> That's what I call exclusive.
>>
>> If you want I can sign them.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Roger Eller wrote
>> > VERY nice!  Up for a challenge?  Try the Lord Elgin "windowed" style.
>> >
>> >
>> http://itsawindup.com/media/product-img/231b4cab7a31a7fbbc8b9cdb2050c23e/u1.jpg
>> >
>> > https://d31wxntiwn0x96.cloudfront.net/rzgade/productimages/1748.jpg
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:20 PM, BNig <
>>
>> > bernd.niggemann@
>>
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Roger,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> thank you for testing my clock from rev-online on android.
>> >>
>> >> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/749/Clock
>> >>
>> >> Incidentally Rolf Kocherhans from Switzerland has asked me if a
>> >> railwayclock
>> >> type of clock would be feasible.
>> >>
>> >> I gave it a try and here it is. Almost but not quite like the famous
>> >> Swiss
>> >> Railwayclock
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/railwayclock.livecode.zip
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> It is made entirely of graphics, resizable, and almost continuous
>> >> movement
>> >> of the second hand.
>> >>
>> >> It stops at the full minute to advance the minute hand.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards
>> >>
>> >> Bernd
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Roger Eller wrote
>> >> > Of course LiveCode clocks built for Android are great for running on
>> >> > certain smart watches.  If the app is 240 x 240 pixels, or set to
>> >> > auto-scale then it will work as a watch app.  My only wish would be
>> >> that
>> >> > we
>> >> > could have official LC support for "Android Wear" watches.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/2015/01/program-your-watch.html
>> >> >
>> >> > This watch is pre-android-wear, but instead comes with Android 4.4
>> >> > (KitKat):
>> >> >
>> >>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Z-Watch-Bluetooth-802-11b-Android-Devices/dp/B00KV9LZVS/
>> >> >
>> >> > ~Roger





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Re: Roadmap

[Richard Gaskin]

Richmond wrote:


Where is the Full IDE prototype . . . ?

This is odd, as it states that a Full IDE Prototype depends on Widgets
and Themes, which just is not true:

an alternative IDE can be cobbled together right now - I mucked around
with the revToolbar palette extensively way back
with version 2.0 - RunRev started up peddling an alternative IDE to
MetaCard.


It's true that each of us can imagine our own future IDE, and if we 
imagine one that can be built with the current engine then we could 
decide to spend our time askin why the team doesn't set aside the v7 
fixes we asked them to do yesterday to build this new imagined IDE today.


But you may recall a thread from about three weeks ago in which an 
earnest member of this list asked a similar question and included a 
screen shot of RunRev's mock-up, which prompted yours truly to reply 
with a note that the new UI will require things the engine simply 
doesn't have today:




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Re: Clock

[Roger Eller]

That's good info.  My setup at home still has 6.5.x I think.  So I may have
to install 7.0.x just to open the file.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:38 PM, BNig  wrote:

> Thanks Roger,
>
> as all exclusive watches they are "hand made", a bit tricky to adapt.
>
> I just wanted to tweak my scrollers to work as watch-faces in
> remote-control
> mode. So I only adapted what was needed to make them run. (by the way you
> can scroll the hour / minute / second field.)
> What was to be a quick tweak turned out to be a longer debugging session in
> LC 7.0.5 because 7.0.5 did not like some stuff. At least I learned a lot.
> In
> final testing it turned out that the 5.5 format of the stack was not
> compatible with 6.5.5, crash on save. Intermediate saving via 6.7.3
> restored
> savability in 6.6.5.
> I guess Edinburgh is weaning us off from pre 6.7.5 / 7.0.5 stuff. :) Maybe
> this helps someone in a similar situation.
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
> Roger Eller wrote
> > OMGosh!   Bernd - these are really awesome!  I will install to my
> > watch
> > tonight.
> >
> > ~Roger
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:32 PM, BNig <
>
> > bernd.niggemann@
>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Roger,
> >>
> >> here is the "Lord Eller"® clock faces...
> >>
> >> Not like Lord Elgin, but also a bit off...
> >>
> >> just some faces to test moving text.
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >>
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/LordEllerWatch_0_1.livecode.zip
> >> -
> >>
> >> with these clock faces you will probably be the only one who uses them
> :)
> >> That's what I call exclusive.
> >>
> >> If you want I can sign them.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Bernd
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Roger Eller wrote
> >> > VERY nice!  Up for a challenge?  Try the Lord Elgin "windowed" style.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://itsawindup.com/media/product-img/231b4cab7a31a7fbbc8b9cdb2050c23e/u1.jpg
> >> >
> >> > https://d31wxntiwn0x96.cloudfront.net/rzgade/productimages/1748.jpg
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:20 PM, BNig <
> >>
> >> > bernd.niggemann@
> >>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Roger,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> thank you for testing my clock from rev-online on android.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/749/Clock
> >> >>
> >> >> Incidentally Rolf Kocherhans from Switzerland has asked me if a
> >> >> railwayclock
> >> >> type of clock would be feasible.
> >> >>
> >> >> I gave it a try and here it is. Almost but not quite like the famous
> >> >> Swiss
> >> >> Railwayclock
> >> >>
> >> >> 
> >> >>
> >> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/railwayclock/railwayclock.livecode.zip
> >> >> 
> >> >>
> >> >> It is made entirely of graphics, resizable, and almost continuous
> >> >> movement
> >> >> of the second hand.
> >> >>
> >> >> It stops at the full minute to advance the minute hand.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Bernd
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Roger Eller wrote
> >> >> > Of course LiveCode clocks built for Android are great for running
> on
> >> >> > certain smart watches.  If the app is 240 x 240 pixels, or set to
> >> >> > auto-scale then it will work as a watch app.  My only wish would be
> >> >> that
> >> >> > we
> >> >> > could have official LC support for "Android Wear" watches.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/2015/01/program-your-watch.html
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This watch is pre-android-wear, but instead comes with Android 4.4
> >> >> > (KitKat):
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/Z-Watch-Bluetooth-802-11b-Android-Devices/dp/B00KV9LZVS/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ~Roger
>
>
>
>
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Re: Roadmap

[Monte Goulding]

> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:50 am, Richmond  wrote:
> 
> This is odd, as it states that a Full IDE Prototype depends on Widgets and 
> Themes, which just is not true:
> 
> an alternative IDE can be cobbled together right now - I mucked around with 
> the revToolbar palette extensively way back
> with version 2.0 - RunRev started up peddling an alternative IDE to MetaCard.

I’d rather they wait and push widgets and themes to the limits when building 
the IDE. I’m sure that will help iron out any issues with them.

Cheers

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Datagrid Wierdness

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi all. Have I got a stinker for you!

I am populating a data grid with an array using dgData. I am sorting on a 
column called assetid. I have a search object I created which essentially 
queries the database to find records where the value in the field matches any 
part of a list of columns I provide it in the script. 

Now when I sort the data grid on assetid, then query the database, assuming the 
prior records match the search criteria, the resulting array *DOES* contain all 
the records. So I know that the query correctly retrieved all the records that 
match the search criteria. I went through each element and verified that they 
do. 

However, when I set the dgData of the data grid to that array, *some* of the 
records do not display!!! Instead, there are empty rows at the bottom of the 
data grid, where I can scroll down but there is no data in the rows. Note they 
are not empty data grid records, the records or rows if you will, never get 
created, even though the data grid acts like there are more rows there. 

I know what you are saying, bad data in the data grid. But if I sort by *ANY 
OTHER COLUMN* the records *DO* appear!!! Now you will suggest I delete the data 
grid and create a new one. Did that. Same problem. Oh but wait, there’s more! 

If when I query the data I order by the assetid column, well the damnedest 
thing happens: ALL THE DATA DISPLAYS AGAIN!

This has *GOT* to be a bug in the data grid library. I would submit it, but the 
app is dependent on an SQL instance and logins, so I cannot easily create an 
example. I recall others seeing some kind of similar weirdness with data grids 
displaying data. If this sounds familiar, contact me and lets compare notes. 

Bob S


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Re: Clock

[BNig]

It should work with 6.5.x out of the box. No need to install 7.x.x

Kind regards
Bernd


That's good info.  My setup at home still has 6.5.x I think.  So I may have
to install 7.0.x just to open the file.
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Re: Clock

[Bob Sneidar]

Those are quite nice!

Bob S


On Jun 3, 2015, at 12:32 , BNig 
mailto:bernd.niggem...@uni-wh.de>> wrote:

Hi Roger,

here is the "Lord Eller"® clock faces...

Not like Lord Elgin, but also a bit off...

just some faces to test moving text.

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Re: Datagrid Wierdness

[Mike Bonner]

To submit the bug, you might save the ill behaved array to a property in a
sample stack. Or several arrays that behave differently.  Then you can add
buttons to load the arrays into a datagrid to expose the behavior.  I kinda
wonder if you have empty rows in your database that are retrieved under
some circumstances and not others or.. Well, not sure.

Can you add code that will pop up an answer dialog with the row data of a
clicked row? That way you can look at what the datagrid thinks is in the
row as apposed to what is showing (or not showing in this case)

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> Hi all. Have I got a stinker for you!
>
> I am populating a data grid with an array using dgData. I am sorting on a
> column called assetid. I have a search object I created which essentially
> queries the database to find records where the value in the field matches
> any part of a list of columns I provide it in the script.
>
> Now when I sort the data grid on assetid, then query the database,
> assuming the prior records match the search criteria, the resulting array
> *DOES* contain all the records. So I know that the query correctly
> retrieved all the records that match the search criteria. I went through
> each element and verified that they do.
>
> However, when I set the dgData of the data grid to that array, *some* of
> the records do not display!!! Instead, there are empty rows at the bottom
> of the data grid, where I can scroll down but there is no data in the rows.
> Note they are not empty data grid records, the records or rows if you will,
> never get created, even though the data grid acts like there are more rows
> there.
>
> I know what you are saying, bad data in the data grid. But if I sort by
> *ANY OTHER COLUMN* the records *DO* appear!!! Now you will suggest I delete
> the data grid and create a new one. Did that. Same problem. Oh but wait,
> there’s more!
>
> If when I query the data I order by the assetid column, well the damnedest
> thing happens: ALL THE DATA DISPLAYS AGAIN!
>
> This has *GOT* to be a bug in the data grid library. I would submit it,
> but the app is dependent on an SQL instance and logins, so I cannot easily
> create an example. I recall others seeing some kind of similar weirdness
> with data grids displaying data. If this sounds familiar, contact me and
> lets compare notes.
>
> Bob S
>
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Re: Datagrid Wierdness

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi Mike. 

Well I reviewed the data from the 25 rows retrieved and visually it looks ok. 
Not saying there are not hidden characters in there somewhere. But that would 
not explain why the problem *ONLY* occurs when the data grid is sorted by just 
that one column. If I sort by another column, the data grid populates 
correctly. If I have the order by in the query set to that column, it populates 
correctly. 

And in any case the data grid library should not simply skip row population 
because of bad data in a column. I also ran the command to set the dgData 
inside of a try/catch construct and no errors were thrown. 

Bob S


> On Jun 3, 2015, at 14:35 , Mike Bonner  wrote:
> 
> To submit the bug, you might save the ill behaved array to a property in a
> sample stack. Or several arrays that behave differently.  Then you can add
> buttons to load the arrays into a datagrid to expose the behavior.  I kinda
> wonder if you have empty rows in your database that are retrieved under
> some circumstances and not others or.. Well, not sure.
> 
> Can you add code that will pop up an answer dialog with the row data of a
> clicked row? That way you can look at what the datagrid thinks is in the
> row as apposed to what is showing (or not showing in this case)
> 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Bob Sneidar 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all. Have I got a stinker for you!
>> 
>> I am populating a data grid with an array using dgData. I am sorting on a
>> column called assetid. I have a search object I created which essentially
>> queries the database to find records where the value in the field matches
>> any part of a list of columns I provide it in the script.
>> 
>> Now when I sort the data grid on assetid, then query the database,
>> assuming the prior records match the search criteria, the resulting array
>> *DOES* contain all the records. So I know that the query correctly
>> retrieved all the records that match the search criteria. I went through
>> each element and verified that they do.
>> 
>> However, when I set the dgData of the data grid to that array, *some* of
>> the records do not display!!! Instead, there are empty rows at the bottom
>> of the data grid, where I can scroll down but there is no data in the rows.
>> Note they are not empty data grid records, the records or rows if you will,
>> never get created, even though the data grid acts like there are more rows
>> there.
>> 
>> I know what you are saying, bad data in the data grid. But if I sort by
>> *ANY OTHER COLUMN* the records *DO* appear!!! Now you will suggest I delete
>> the data grid and create a new one. Did that. Same problem. Oh but wait,
>> there’s more!
>> 
>> If when I query the data I order by the assetid column, well the damnedest
>> thing happens: ALL THE DATA DISPLAYS AGAIN!
>> 
>> This has *GOT* to be a bug in the data grid library. I would submit it,
>> but the app is dependent on an SQL instance and logins, so I cannot easily
>> create an example. I recall others seeing some kind of similar weirdness
>> with data grids displaying data. If this sounds familiar, contact me and
>> lets compare notes.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
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Re: Datagrid Wierdness

[Mike Bonner]

yeah it surely shouldn't behave differently based on which column you sort
with.  I was mostly offering the suggestion of sending a sample stack with
stored array so that LC engineers can look at it.   Very very strange.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> Hi Mike.
>
> Well I reviewed the data from the 25 rows retrieved and visually it looks
> ok. Not saying there are not hidden characters in there somewhere. But that
> would not explain why the problem *ONLY* occurs when the data grid is
> sorted by just that one column. If I sort by another column, the data grid
> populates correctly. If I have the order by in the query set to that
> column, it populates correctly.
>
> And in any case the data grid library should not simply skip row
> population because of bad data in a column. I also ran the command to set
> the dgData inside of a try/catch construct and no errors were thrown.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 3, 2015, at 14:35 , Mike Bonner  wrote:
> >
> > To submit the bug, you might save the ill behaved array to a property in
> a
> > sample stack. Or several arrays that behave differently.  Then you can
> add
> > buttons to load the arrays into a datagrid to expose the behavior.  I
> kinda
> > wonder if you have empty rows in your database that are retrieved under
> > some circumstances and not others or.. Well, not sure.
> >
> > Can you add code that will pop up an answer dialog with the row data of a
> > clicked row? That way you can look at what the datagrid thinks is in the
> > row as apposed to what is showing (or not showing in this case)
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Bob Sneidar  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all. Have I got a stinker for you!
> >>
> >> I am populating a data grid with an array using dgData. I am sorting on
> a
> >> column called assetid. I have a search object I created which
> essentially
> >> queries the database to find records where the value in the field
> matches
> >> any part of a list of columns I provide it in the script.
> >>
> >> Now when I sort the data grid on assetid, then query the database,
> >> assuming the prior records match the search criteria, the resulting
> array
> >> *DOES* contain all the records. So I know that the query correctly
> >> retrieved all the records that match the search criteria. I went through
> >> each element and verified that they do.
> >>
> >> However, when I set the dgData of the data grid to that array, *some* of
> >> the records do not display!!! Instead, there are empty rows at the
> bottom
> >> of the data grid, where I can scroll down but there is no data in the
> rows.
> >> Note they are not empty data grid records, the records or rows if you
> will,
> >> never get created, even though the data grid acts like there are more
> rows
> >> there.
> >>
> >> I know what you are saying, bad data in the data grid. But if I sort by
> >> *ANY OTHER COLUMN* the records *DO* appear!!! Now you will suggest I
> delete
> >> the data grid and create a new one. Did that. Same problem. Oh but wait,
> >> there’s more!
> >>
> >> If when I query the data I order by the assetid column, well the
> damnedest
> >> thing happens: ALL THE DATA DISPLAYS AGAIN!
> >>
> >> This has *GOT* to be a bug in the data grid library. I would submit it,
> >> but the app is dependent on an SQL instance and logins, so I cannot
> easily
> >> create an example. I recall others seeing some kind of similar weirdness
> >> with data grids displaying data. If this sounds familiar, contact me and
> >> lets compare notes.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
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Re: Datagrid Wierdness

[Bob Sneidar]

NVM the stack itself is bad. I began to experience wholesale data grid problems 
where the data grid displayed nothing the contents tab of the data grid 
properties displayed nothing, but fields I populate from the data grid data 
were in fact populating, meaning the data was actually in the data grid, but 
not displaying. 

When I replaced the stack file with an older backed up version, it worked fine. 

Bob S


> On Jun 3, 2015, at 15:07 , Mike Bonner  wrote:
> 
> yeah it surely shouldn't behave differently based on which column you sort
> with.  I was mostly offering the suggestion of sending a sample stack with
> stored array so that LC engineers can look at it.   Very very strange.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Bob Sneidar 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike.
>> 
>> Well I reviewed the data from the 25 rows retrieved and visually it looks
>> ok. Not saying there are not hidden characters in there somewhere. But that
>> would not explain why the problem *ONLY* occurs when the data grid is
>> sorted by just that one column. If I sort by another column, the data grid
>> populates correctly. If I have the order by in the query set to that
>> column, it populates correctly.
>> 
>> And in any case the data grid library should not simply skip row
>> population because of bad data in a column. I also ran the command to set
>> the dgData inside of a try/catch construct and no errors were thrown.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 14:35 , Mike Bonner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To submit the bug, you might save the ill behaved array to a property in
>> a
>>> sample stack. Or several arrays that behave differently.  Then you can
>> add
>>> buttons to load the arrays into a datagrid to expose the behavior.  I
>> kinda
>>> wonder if you have empty rows in your database that are retrieved under
>>> some circumstances and not others or.. Well, not sure.
>>> 
>>> Can you add code that will pop up an answer dialog with the row data of a
>>> clicked row? That way you can look at what the datagrid thinks is in the
>>> row as apposed to what is showing (or not showing in this case)
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Bob Sneidar >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all. Have I got a stinker for you!
 
 I am populating a data grid with an array using dgData. I am sorting on
>> a
 column called assetid. I have a search object I created which
>> essentially
 queries the database to find records where the value in the field
>> matches
 any part of a list of columns I provide it in the script.
 
 Now when I sort the data grid on assetid, then query the database,
 assuming the prior records match the search criteria, the resulting
>> array
 *DOES* contain all the records. So I know that the query correctly
 retrieved all the records that match the search criteria. I went through
 each element and verified that they do.
 
 However, when I set the dgData of the data grid to that array, *some* of
 the records do not display!!! Instead, there are empty rows at the
>> bottom
 of the data grid, where I can scroll down but there is no data in the
>> rows.
 Note they are not empty data grid records, the records or rows if you
>> will,
 never get created, even though the data grid acts like there are more
>> rows
 there.
 
 I know what you are saying, bad data in the data grid. But if I sort by
 *ANY OTHER COLUMN* the records *DO* appear!!! Now you will suggest I
>> delete
 the data grid and create a new one. Did that. Same problem. Oh but wait,
 there’s more!
 
 If when I query the data I order by the assetid column, well the
>> damnedest
 thing happens: ALL THE DATA DISPLAYS AGAIN!
 
 This has *GOT* to be a bug in the data grid library. I would submit it,
 but the app is dependent on an SQL instance and logins, so I cannot
>> easily
 create an example. I recall others seeing some kind of similar weirdness
 with data grids displaying data. If this sounds familiar, contact me and
 lets compare notes.
 
 Bob S
 
 
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Re: Datagrid Wierdness

[Mike Bonner]

These LC growing pains can be a bit rough sometimes.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> NVM the stack itself is bad. I began to experience wholesale data grid
> problems where the data grid displayed nothing the contents tab of the data
> grid properties displayed nothing, but fields I populate from the data grid
> data were in fact populating, meaning the data was actually in the data
> grid, but not displaying.
>
> When I replaced the stack file with an older backed up version, it worked
> fine.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 3, 2015, at 15:07 , Mike Bonner  wrote:
> >
> > yeah it surely shouldn't behave differently based on which column you
> sort
> > with.  I was mostly offering the suggestion of sending a sample stack
> with
> > stored array so that LC engineers can look at it.   Very very strange.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Bob Sneidar  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Mike.
> >>
> >> Well I reviewed the data from the 25 rows retrieved and visually it
> looks
> >> ok. Not saying there are not hidden characters in there somewhere. But
> that
> >> would not explain why the problem *ONLY* occurs when the data grid is
> >> sorted by just that one column. If I sort by another column, the data
> grid
> >> populates correctly. If I have the order by in the query set to that
> >> column, it populates correctly.
> >>
> >> And in any case the data grid library should not simply skip row
> >> population because of bad data in a column. I also ran the command to
> set
> >> the dgData inside of a try/catch construct and no errors were thrown.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 14:35 , Mike Bonner  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> To submit the bug, you might save the ill behaved array to a property
> in
> >> a
> >>> sample stack. Or several arrays that behave differently.  Then you can
> >> add
> >>> buttons to load the arrays into a datagrid to expose the behavior.  I
> >> kinda
> >>> wonder if you have empty rows in your database that are retrieved under
> >>> some circumstances and not others or.. Well, not sure.
> >>>
> >>> Can you add code that will pop up an answer dialog with the row data
> of a
> >>> clicked row? That way you can look at what the datagrid thinks is in
> the
> >>> row as apposed to what is showing (or not showing in this case)
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Bob Sneidar <
> bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi all. Have I got a stinker for you!
> 
>  I am populating a data grid with an array using dgData. I am sorting
> on
> >> a
>  column called assetid. I have a search object I created which
> >> essentially
>  queries the database to find records where the value in the field
> >> matches
>  any part of a list of columns I provide it in the script.
> 
>  Now when I sort the data grid on assetid, then query the database,
>  assuming the prior records match the search criteria, the resulting
> >> array
>  *DOES* contain all the records. So I know that the query correctly
>  retrieved all the records that match the search criteria. I went
> through
>  each element and verified that they do.
> 
>  However, when I set the dgData of the data grid to that array, *some*
> of
>  the records do not display!!! Instead, there are empty rows at the
> >> bottom
>  of the data grid, where I can scroll down but there is no data in the
> >> rows.
>  Note they are not empty data grid records, the records or rows if you
> >> will,
>  never get created, even though the data grid acts like there are more
> >> rows
>  there.
> 
>  I know what you are saying, bad data in the data grid. But if I sort
> by
>  *ANY OTHER COLUMN* the records *DO* appear!!! Now you will suggest I
> >> delete
>  the data grid and create a new one. Did that. Same problem. Oh but
> wait,
>  there’s more!
> 
>  If when I query the data I order by the assetid column, well the
> >> damnedest
>  thing happens: ALL THE DATA DISPLAYS AGAIN!
> 
>  This has *GOT* to be a bug in the data grid library. I would submit
> it,
>  but the app is dependent on an SQL instance and logins, so I cannot
> >> easily
>  create an example. I recall others seeing some kind of similar
> weirdness
>  with data grids displaying data. If this sounds familiar, contact me
> and
>  lets compare notes.
> 
>  Bob S
> 
> 
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Re: AW: AW: How do you handle the poor performance of LC 7?

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:02 PM, J. Landman Gay 
wrote:

> Script length may have something to do with the editor delays. It takes
> more time to process text in v7.
>
> I'm currently converting a stack where no scripts are longer than a few
> hundred lines (most are under 500) and I see no delays.
>

I have multiple scripts several thousand lines long.

But the delays occur even when no processing is required (e.g., immediately
after stack load)




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Re: AW: AW: How do you handle the poor performance of LC 7?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 6/3/2015 7:53 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:02 PM, J. Landman Gay 
wrote:


Script length may have something to do with the editor delays. It takes
more time to process text in v7.

I'm currently converting a stack where no scripts are longer than a few
hundred lines (most are under 500) and I see no delays.



I have multiple scripts several thousand lines long.

But the delays occur even when no processing is required (e.g., immediately
after stack load)


The scripts still need to be processed on launch, if only so the engine 
can see whether it needs to do anything. Opening a stack produces dozens 
of event messages and the scripts need to be processed and interpreted 
so that LC knows whether to execute any scripted responses.


Try opening a one-card stack with nothing but a single button and a 
simple mouseUp handler. See if there's a difference.


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Re: Roadmap

[Richmond]

On 04/06/15 00:09, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:


Where is the Full IDE prototype . . . ?

This is odd, as it states that a Full IDE Prototype depends on Widgets
and Themes, which just is not true:

an alternative IDE can be cobbled together right now - I mucked around
with the revToolbar palette extensively way back
with version 2.0 - RunRev started up peddling an alternative IDE to
MetaCard.


It's true that each of us can imagine our own future IDE, and if we 
imagine one that can be built with the current engine then we could 
decide to spend our time askin why the team doesn't set aside the v7 
fixes we asked them to do yesterday to build this new imagined IDE today.


But you may recall a thread from about three weeks ago in which an 
earnest member of this list asked a similar question and included a 
screen shot of RunRev's mock-up, which prompted yours truly to reply 
with a note that the new UI will require things the engine simply 
doesn't have today:






I wonder why a "Viewer" is necessary. Surely all a "Full IDE" is [going 
on the basis of the picture that was bandied about during the Kickstarter
thing] is a way in which all the stacks/palettes that constitute the IDE 
are "glued together" at their sides so they cover the end-user's desktop

with IDE furniture rather than a backdrop?

Richmond.

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Re: Roadmap

[Richmond]

On 04/06/15 00:24, Monte Goulding wrote:

On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:50 am, Richmond  wrote:

This is odd, as it states that a Full IDE Prototype depends on Widgets and 
Themes, which just is not true:

an alternative IDE can be cobbled together right now - I mucked around with the 
revToolbar palette extensively way back
with version 2.0 - RunRev started up peddling an alternative IDE to MetaCard.

I’d rather they wait and push widgets and themes to the limits when building 
the IDE. I’m sure that will help iron out any issues with them.


Personally, I'm entirely happy with the current IDE. But, as an educator 
who, on Monday, is about to start a class with at least one child
in it who is 7 years old, I can see the advantages of a Full IDE, even 
if only in the same sort of way as one uses those funny little wheels

on one's bicycle, or water-wings when learning to swim.

The main point about what I said is not really about the Full IDE as 
such, but the fact that although there is a lovely webpage with a roadmap
it is still unclear as to what has been completed, semi-completed, yet 
to be completed, or dumped when it was realised that it was undoable, a 
waste of time, or a complete crock of sh*t that seemed good at the time 
of the Kickstarter but, with hindsight . . .


Richmond.


Cheers

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