RE: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Lynn Fredricks]

> > Copyright registration is not required to be afforded some 
> protections 
> > under copyright law, but it affords _additional_ protection 
> under US 
> > law that makes your rights easier to enforce.
> >
> 
> Most notably, the eligibility for statutory damages. If 
> memory serves, there are also better provisions for attorneys 
> fees.(Yes I am a lawyer, but this is a statement of the law, 
> not legal advice)

I think you are right. That's the bummer too. Without registration, you
could sue for actual damages but not necessarily for your attorney fees.

If you create works that are large / monolithic, like a book, it might make
sense to do just that. But if you produce a lot of small works, then that's
a real question, and there are some solutions I guess - for example, if you
are a photographer, I believe you can submit a kind of "sheet" with a bunch
of individual photos on it and have them all addressed under a single
registration. The last time I looked there were a few oddball variant
registrations like that.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[JB]

I think patents and copyrights have a
time limit.

John Balgenorth


On Aug 21, 2015, at 5:54 PM, J. Landman Gay  wrote:

> On 8/21/2015 7:29 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Lynn Fredricks <
>> lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Copyright registration is not required to be afforded some protections
>>> under
>>> copyright law, but it affords _additional_ protection under US law that
>>> makes your rights easier to enforce.
>>> 
>> 
>> Most notably, the eligibility for statutory damages. If memory serves,
>> there are also better provisions for attorneys fees.(Yes I am a lawyer, but
>> this is a statement of the law, not legal advice)
> 
> When I was 10 years old and taking piano lessons I wrote a little song. I 
> took out my big pencil and double-sized music paper and laboriously wrote it 
> out. It was three pages long. I then scrawled out a long-hand letter to the 
> U.S. Copyright Office requesting copyright forms, and returned my little song 
> to Washington D.C. where it languishes to this day.
> 
> I was SO PROUD. And even though I can no longer remember how the song went or 
> what it was, it is formally copyrighted and if anyone steals it I can sue  
> and make tons of money -- provided I recognize it. :)
> 
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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 8/21/2015 7:29 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Lynn Fredricks <
lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote:


Copyright registration is not required to be afforded some protections
under
copyright law, but it affords _additional_ protection under US law that
makes your rights easier to enforce.



Most notably, the eligibility for statutory damages. If memory serves,
there are also better provisions for attorneys fees.(Yes I am a lawyer, but
this is a statement of the law, not legal advice)


When I was 10 years old and taking piano lessons I wrote a little song. 
I took out my big pencil and double-sized music paper and laboriously 
wrote it out. It was three pages long. I then scrawled out a long-hand 
letter to the U.S. Copyright Office requesting copyright forms, and 
returned my little song to Washington D.C. where it languishes to this day.


I was SO PROUD. And even though I can no longer remember how the song 
went or what it was, it is formally copyrighted and if anyone steals it 
I can sue  and make tons of money -- provided I recognize it. :)


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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Lynn Fredricks <
lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote:

> Copyright registration is not required to be afforded some protections
> under
> copyright law, but it affords _additional_ protection under US law that
> makes your rights easier to enforce.
>

Most notably, the eligibility for statutory damages. If memory serves,
there are also better provisions for attorneys fees.(Yes I am a lawyer, but
this is a statement of the law, not legal advice)


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UTF8 encoding error in moving data from SQLite to Postgres?

[Dr. Hawkins]

I am getting the error

revdberr,ERROR:  invalid byte sequence for encoding "UTF8": 0xca 0x27


I think this is coming because I pasted data from a web browser into live
code, which in turn put it into the memory SQLite db, and then choked with
another command copying that data to Postgres.

I'm not sure where to start.  Obviously, I need to filter something,
somewhere.  But where should filtering be happening?

There is not a circumstance in which this application would ever need
foreign character sets; plain old 7 bit ascii would be fine (except for the
part about it coming in from somewhere else . . .))

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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Mark Schonewille]

Sorry Richmond, but don't let us stop you from asking questions.

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On 8/21/2015 18:28, Richmond wrote:

Dear Mark and Lynn,

had I realised my question would have ended up like this I would not
have asked it.

So, please, chill . . .

I am now in touch with someone who has already registered 9 physical
(i.e. non-software) games
and am waiting for his low-down on the topic (which I intend to pass on
here).

Richmond.

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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Simon]

Rick Harrison wrote
> ... break up
> the pieces if they are very different from each other and farm
> each piece out to a different producer so that no one gets the
> whole picture...

Chortle :-)
Nukes?
Manhattan project?

Richmond what are you making?

Simon



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Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

[AndyP]

Wold it be possible or even practical to use the atom editor passing info
back and forth to LC thus separating LC from the editor so only one instance
of the engine is required to be running ?

No idea how to do this, just throwing it in for discussion. 



-
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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Richard Gaskin]

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

Patents are a glue-huffing, frog in a blender nightmare. Get help.


LOL

I guess that would make design patents the equivalent of a meth-head's 
teeth. ;)


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Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

[Richard Gaskin]

Malte Brill wrote:

> Ali Lloyd wrote:
>
>> I don't think that the current script editor should be neglected
>
> I think that depends on when 7 will be EOLed. If you plan to have 8
> stable by the end of the year and you plan to have a new Script
> editor there, wasting resources might be indeed a waste.

Having a version of the code base in which the number has been changed 
to "8" is only the first step.  To realize the benefits of LC Builder 
for the script editor will require, as Ali noted, the completion of a 
field widget.  I think it's safe to say that's a ways down the road.


But one of the best things about v8 is that it still runs LiveCode 
Script.  We won't need to throw all our code away to move to v8; on the 
contrary, all LiveCode Script is expected to run in v8 just as it does 
in v7, since that part of the engine is more or less the same.


So any investment in increasing immediate revenues by improving the 
version being sold today will continue to work just as well in any later 
version.



> Well, for me it is not so much about the text editor. It wouldn’t
> be the first textEditor I would be scripting. My problem would be
> the friggin debugger…

The debugger is indeed a critical area, but my understanding is that the 
ways in which it's weak aren't as much related to the IDE scripts as 
much as the engine itself.


Using the same engine instance to both execute and debug that execution 
is like trying to stick your fingers between moving fan blades to work 
on the motor. :)


The proposed solution is to have a separate instance of the engine for 
debugging, so the debugger itself can't interfere with the process it's 
debugging.


As desirable as that is, it seems deep enough that it may take some time 
to sort out, and there may be parts of v8's architecture in which that 
becomes more practical.


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Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

[Richard Gaskin]

Ali Lloyd wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 at 16:49, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> With the IDE things are even better:  it's already written in a
>> high-level scripting language.  Why not use LiveCode Script?
>>
>> If we can't build a good text editor in LiveCode, what are any of us
>> doing here?
>
> That is a false dichotomy

It may appear to be false without the line I wrote immediately following 
the portion you quoted:


   Fortunately we can.  Indeed LiveCode is an excellent tool to
   build such things with, as it is right now.

And it seems you and I share that opinion:

> - we certainly can build a good text editor in LiveCode Script

...differing only here, and only in terms of priorities:

> but we can probably build a better one using LiveCode
> Builder and LiveCode Script .

I realize it's possible to consider a wide range of options, if the goal 
were merely pursuing a technical "best".  Heck, we could even write it 
in C++, as SuperCard's and HyperCard's editors were.


But the challenge here is more nuanced, balancing desires for "best" 
with immediate needs to raise conversion rates through an improved 
experience in the product being sold today.


In brief, the challenge at hand is about ROI.

Most of the current Script Editor is fine.  It's become slow in some 
areas given layers of patches it's accrued and how those play into some 
of the slowest parts of the current engine.


Rewriting it from scratch in a  different language may eventually 
provide something more performant, but will certainly cost many times 
more than just using the language it's already written in to tidy up 
some loose ends.


Given the cost-benefit ratios involved, ROI favors improving the user 
experience with what we have in hand today.


I appreciate your enthusiasm for LC Builder, and when it's as robust and 
performant as LiveCode Script we'll all be equally excited about putting 
it to work.


But in the here-and-now, faced with the inevitable tradeoffs of running 
a business, I found Kevin's reply to my note about the value of LiveCode 
Script very promising:


> I think this is a really important principal. Always use the highest
> level language you can for any given project. Offering that very high
> level language option is a big part of LiveCode's reason for being.
>
> Previously our primary choices were between LiveCode Script and a
> lower level language such as C. Now we have a third choice, an
> intermediate LiveCode Builder. Its much faster than C but slower than
> Script. It is going to excel at certain tasks. However we should
> always choose to use it only when it offers clear advantages above
> LiveCode Script for the project that outweigh the extra level of
> effort needed to use it. I know its very tempting having added a
> whole new language to build everything in that, but we must carefully
> resist that temptation and use it judiciously, only for what it is
> best at.

LiveCode Script is a great language.  Everything everyone has delivered 
with LiveCode thus far has been written in it, so while we all look 
forward to Builder's completion to compliment LC Script for certain 
tasks, most of everyone's work in LiveCode will be done in LiveCode 
Script for years to come, and for good reason:  it truly is a fine 
language, well designed, generally performant, and thoroughly field-tested.


If it's decided to add some modest but necessary modernization to the 
script editor using LiveCode Script, as much as I also admire all the 
team members I've worked with I hope you're the one to do it.  Very few 
people identify themselves as being "passionate about chunk 
expressions", and your enthusiasm and talent would lend themselves well 
to delivering a script editor we can all be proud of, raising conversion 
rates to help pay for the road ahead toward LC Builder.


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Re: JSON, URL-encode, and UTF-8

[J. Landman Gay]

On 8/21/2015 3:06 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:


Instead of removing the httpHeaders setting, what if you set it to
this?

set the httpHeaders to "Content-Type:
application/x-www-form-urlencoded"

This is normally the default for post, but if you had set it to
something else earlier, I was wondering whether the previous setting
was still being used.


So it turns out that was the answer. I'm very indebted to Charles for 
helping me, I never would have figured this out.


I had launched a new instance of LC 7.1 and it should have been using 
its default headers, so it seems that something has changed since 6.x. 
On the other hand, I did so much tinkering that application/json may 
have been retained from previous tests; I lost track.


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Re: Two great tips, one fantastic source...

[Roger Guay]

That’s cool! I didn’t know that…


> On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
> 
> allows you to copy/paste the RGB values or a color swatch.

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Re: Two great tips, one fantastic source...

[Devin Asay]

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Roger Guay  wrote:
> 
> Bob, are you suggesting that Digital Color Meter in OS X does something more 
> or other than the Color Palette in LC?

It’s configurable for one (magnification, RGB profiles, number format, etc.), 
shows more information, and allows you to copy/paste the RGB values or a color 
swatch. It’s much better than Photoshop’s color dropper tool, in that it 
samples anything on the screen (as does LiveCode’s.)

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University

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Re: Two great tips, one fantastic source...

[Devin Asay]

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Earp Robert J.  wrote:
> 
> I’ve benefitted from the LC lists so many times over the years whilst 
> (embarrassingly) not being able to contribute much due to other far more 
> capable bods than me answering questions almost instantly.  To all of those, 
> many thanks, but you hold a secret I cannot find an answer to, how the hell 
> do you find the time to do that !!
> 
> In any event, I recently came across what I think are two great tips from a 
> non-LC list source that I thought was worth passing on.  Now, having said 
> that I am sure the majority of folks will yawn and say, I know that, but on 
> the off-chance I can help somebody, read on.   
> 
> The source is Gary Rosenburgh who regularly publishes all sorts of OS X and 
> iOS tips via www.macmost.com    Two recent posts 
> caught my eye as they will save a lot of time for myself and colleagues.  
> 
> The first is learning that I can share a screen with somebody when using 
> Messages.  If you are chatting from Mac to Mac using the Messages app you can 
> click on the Details button at the top and select the screen sharing button 
> (two rectangles) to share your screen or have the other party share theirs. 
> You can use this to help a less computer savvy relative or friend with a 
> problem, or just to let them observe a project you are working on.  I know 
> you can do this with other apps such as Skype, but Messages seems to be so 
> robust and easy to use.
> 
> The second is finding out there is a fantastic built-in app called Digital 
> Color Meter in OS X residing in my Utilities folder that I never knew 
> existed, and which does an awful lot of useful stuff from showing the 
> RGB/Hex/etc, values of any pixel being displayed on any screen, to the 
> mouseLoc. http://macmost.com/digital-color-meter.html 
>   tells you a lot more.
> 
> I subscribed to the macmost.com  Newsletter a while ago 
> and have never regretted it especially as I don’t think I’ve ever received 
> one of Gary’s monthly posts without learning something interesting, even if 
> it is only one of the snippets in the This Week in Mac: section.
> 
> All the very best from a continuing sunny British Columbia and I hope this 
> has helped at least one reader  ;-)

It helped this one, Bob! Digital Color Meter is a revelation, and I can already 
see how it will help me. On my Dock now!

All the best,

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University

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RE: Two great tips, one fantastic source...

[Ralph DiMola]

On screen RGB does not tell you what's in the image file. The monitor's
color profile(gamma and such) will modify the image for viewing on the
screen. It's a great tool to see what is rendered on screen but not to
examine the raw content of a displayed image.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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Of Roger Guay
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:29 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Two great tips, one fantastic source...

Bob, are you suggesting that Digital Color Meter in OS X does something more
or other than the Color Palette in LC?

Cheers,
Roger


> On Aug 21, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Earp Robert J.  wrote:
> 
> The second is finding out there is a fantastic built-in app called Digital
Color Meter in OS X residing in my Utilities folder that I never knew
existed, and which does an awful lot of useful stuff from showing the
RGB/Hex/etc, values of any pixel being displayed on any screen, to the
mouseLoc. http://macmost.com/digital-color-meter.html

>  tells you a lot more.

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Re: Two great tips, one fantastic source...

[Roger Guay]

Bob, are you suggesting that Digital Color Meter in OS X does something more or 
other than the Color Palette in LC?

Cheers,
Roger


> On Aug 21, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Earp Robert J.  wrote:
> 
> The second is finding out there is a fantastic built-in app called Digital 
> Color Meter in OS X residing in my Utilities folder that I never knew 
> existed, and which does an awful lot of useful stuff from showing the 
> RGB/Hex/etc, values of any pixel being displayed on any screen, to the 
> mouseLoc. http://macmost.com/digital-color-meter.html 
>  
>  >  tells you a lot more.

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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Richmond]

Dear Mark and Lynn,

had I realised my question would have ended up like this I would not 
have asked it.


So, please, chill . . .

I am now in touch with someone who has already registered 9 physical 
(i.e. non-software) games
and am waiting for his low-down on the topic (which I intend to pass on 
here).


Richmond.

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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Mark Schonewille]

Someone mentioned websites where you can register your copyrights and my 
point is not to do this. So, yes, there is definitely an argument to be 
made. I will not get tempted to discuss trademarks.


I said there are patents for algorithms. I didn't write they're easy to 
defend and that's not the subject of discussion here. Stay on the 
subject, Lynn.


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On 8/21/2015 18:09, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

Lynn, you twist my words. I don't like that.

I didn't say "do nothing". I said: you can do a few things
that don't cost you money and those copyright registration
websites don't provide you with any additional protection
whatsoever, so don't pay for their services.


You are also creating an argument where there wasn't one. Take a happy
break, its Friday ;-)

At least with copyright (within the scope of US copyright), once something
is fixed in medium the law applies. You do not have to do anything else to
be afforded protections under the law - therefore, 'do nothing' because you
are covered. If you want enhanced protection under the law, then you
register.

Trademarks work sort of in a similar way, though I wouldn't not rely on
their similarities without doing research.

Patents are a glue-huffing, frog in a blender nightmare. Get help.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: STACKLE - RSRC for LC Stacks - Are U Interested?

[Brahmanathaswami]

FYI:

Andre encouraged me to learn GIT...  I already bought the GIT book.. 
went all the tutorials... was merrily pushing, fetching, pull, branching 
looking at diffs, what fun! for our LC server side (text only LC world) 
Very cool I actually enjoyed it... Hours later: no content is coming out 
the pipeline... I'm spending time inside a "platform toolbox" instead of 
building content.


That's my first "beef" with these systems. They are great for software 
engineers, but those who use the platforms to actually deliver "stuff" 
i.e. "content engineers" need to be spending 98% of their time working 
on the "stuff" and not the platform itself.


Subversion looks interesting.. but still Altuit's old Magic Carpet was 
simplicity perfecto.


In fact I think there is a big of hiatus in the vision for the 
development of LiveCode, where the tools for content development  (e.g. 
building a really robust IDE for GUI design, text layout etc.  SFTP 
which is "moving" content, SVG which is only coming now very late, 
palyer object still unclear about Windows..etc.)  never come into sharp 
focus and all the mental re-estate, and $ resources is driven by the 
engineering vision, which of course is incredibly crucial... but, at the 
end of the day: we are all looking at pixels on a screen or listening to 
some audio.  IMHO this is one of the LiveCode leadership main strategic 
"blunders" (sorry to say that) because you are losing a gigantic market 
of people who have high expectations for being able to do elegant GUI 
that would adopt LiveCode in a "minute" if they could "trust" the GUI 
building framework.


These are people weaned on Adobe's tools... a very tough sell.  Akin to 
building  "kids" who are weaned on Disney Quality content.  I even had 
someone on my own team build me a screen where he laid out buttons on 
top of a background with text in InDesign and then exported the screen 
as PNG and sent that to me, because, in his own words,


 "I don't trust LiveCode to be able to set a perfect baseline across 
the buttons top to bottom."


Of course I had to explain to him that this makes these buttons raster 
objects, and they may break down if we scale up (fortunately at 1232 X 
2208, it holds up well even on an iPad.) But I have to build transparent 
clickable buttons on top..( can't see my buttons!)  and that we *do* 
have a distribute objects a span that would lay them out perfectly and 
LC buttons will be better...and Helvetic Neue looks as good in an LC 
button as it does in Indesign.


 But those word fall on deaf ears, why? Because when he himself opens 
LiveCode himself and looks around for tools to build GUI...and put text 
into a button and the button name/label doesn't even line up centered in 
the button and the property inspector hides the line height property for 
a button (you have to tweak it manually from the msg box!)  He shakes 
his head "I'm getting out of here right now."   and he will never, ever 
come back.


this is sad, because I think a work flow where  the

A - Graphic Design team is building beautiful screens and the
B- Nerd Team is writing code for those screen is a space where LC

could be very, very powerful

But since A  is not even in the cards  for LiveCode, this is never gonna 
happen.  And the response will be "well that's not what LiveCode is 
meant to do... "







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Monte Goulding wrote:

Hmm… maybe although I strongly suspect that if you spent the amount of time you 
are prepared to spend building a custom version control system in LC learning 
about git you would end up knowing intricacies about git that even Linus has 
forgotten...



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RE: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Lynn, you twist my words. I don't like that.
> 
> I didn't say "do nothing". I said: you can do a few things 
> that don't cost you money and those copyright registration 
> websites don't provide you with any additional protection 
> whatsoever, so don't pay for their services.

You are also creating an argument where there wasn't one. Take a happy
break, its Friday ;-)

At least with copyright (within the scope of US copyright), once something
is fixed in medium the law applies. You do not have to do anything else to
be afforded protections under the law - therefore, 'do nothing' because you
are covered. If you want enhanced protection under the law, then you
register.

Trademarks work sort of in a similar way, though I wouldn't not rely on
their similarities without doing research.

Patents are a glue-huffing, frog in a blender nightmare. Get help.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Paradigma Software
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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Mark Schonewille]

Lynn, you twist my words. I don't like that.

I didn't say "do nothing". I said: you can do a few things that don't 
cost you money and those copyright registration websites don't provide 
you with any additional protection whatsoever, so don't pay for their 
services.


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On 8/21/2015 17:30, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

I didn't say "do nothing". I said: don't spend your
money on something that's essentially free.


Copyright registration is not required to be afforded some protections under
copyright law, but it affords _additional_ protection under US law that
makes your rights easier to enforce.

The basic protections you do get for free and upon creation of your work -
which is why you "do nothing" after creation of your work.

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Re: Copy and Paste from LiveCode text fld in Mobile

[Brahmanathaswami]

Hmmm...  I'm using a LiveCode field.

OK... Understood... I'll look into that.




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Scott Rossi wrote:

Are you using a native mobile input control (text field)?  A LiveCode
field by itself won't offer this.  Note that there are two input controls:
a single line and multi-line.

Regards,

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RE: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Lynn Fredricks]

> I didn't say "do nothing". I said: don't spend your 
> money on something that's essentially free.

Copyright registration is not required to be afforded some protections under
copyright law, but it affords _additional_ protection under US law that
makes your rights easier to enforce.

The basic protections you do get for free and upon creation of your work -
which is why you "do nothing" after creation of your work.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: Two great tips, one fantastic source...

[Sri]

Very useful.
Thank you, Bob!

Regards,
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Two great tips, one fantastic source...

[Earp Robert J.]

I’ve benefitted from the LC lists so many times over the years whilst 
(embarrassingly) not being able to contribute much due to other far more 
capable bods than me answering questions almost instantly.  To all of those, 
many thanks, but you hold a secret I cannot find an answer to, how the hell do 
you find the time to do that !!

In any event, I recently came across what I think are two great tips from a 
non-LC list source that I thought was worth passing on.  Now, having said that 
I am sure the majority of folks will yawn and say, I know that, but on the 
off-chance I can help somebody, read on.   

The source is Gary Rosenburgh who regularly publishes all sorts of OS X and iOS 
tips via www.macmost.com    Two recent posts caught my 
eye as they will save a lot of time for myself and colleagues.  

The first is learning that I can share a screen with somebody when using 
Messages.  If you are chatting from Mac to Mac using the Messages app you can 
click on the Details button at the top and select the screen sharing button 
(two rectangles) to share your screen or have the other party share theirs. You 
can use this to help a less computer savvy relative or friend with a problem, 
or just to let them observe a project you are working on.  I know you can do 
this with other apps such as Skype, but Messages seems to be so robust and easy 
to use.

The second is finding out there is a fantastic built-in app called Digital 
Color Meter in OS X residing in my Utilities folder that I never knew existed, 
and which does an awful lot of useful stuff from showing the RGB/Hex/etc, 
values of any pixel being displayed on any screen, to the mouseLoc. 
http://macmost.com/digital-color-meter.html 
  tells you a lot more.

I subscribed to the macmost.com  Newsletter a while ago 
and have never regretted it especially as I don’t think I’ve ever received one 
of Gary’s monthly posts without learning something interesting, even if it is 
only one of the snippets in the This Week in Mac: section.

All the very best from a continuing sunny British Columbia and I hope this has 
helped at least one reader  ;-)

Bob Earp
White Rock, British Columbia.



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Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

[Peter M. Brigham]

On Aug 20, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Ali Lloyd wrote:
>> I doubt we will be writing a whole new script editor from scratch in one
>> go.
> 
> Wise, for all the reasons Joel talks about here (good link, Scott):
> 

This is why I'm still using LC 5.5 and my practice management stack, with over 
38,000 lines of script and 48 substacks. I've been developing it for 24 years 
(in HC then LC). Much of the scripting is a bit kludgy and I wince at some of 
the code I wrote when I had less experience, but I have refrained from cleaning 
things up (mostly) because it just plain works. And I can't afford to have it 
stop working, since my livelihood depends on it.

-- Peter

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Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

[Malte Brill]

Ali Lloyd wrote:

> I don't think that the current script editor should be neglected

I think that depends on when 7 will be EOLed. If you plan to have 8 stable by 
the end of the year and you plan to have a new Script editor there, wasting 
resources might be indeed a waste.

Mike Kerner wrote:

> that I often wonder if instead of working on one, effort should instead be 
> spent on a BBEdit/TextWrangler plugin or some method for leveraging someone 
> else's text editor.

+1, just eclipse… ;-). Still the IDE will have to come with a script editor 
that works out of the box.

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> If we can't build a good text editor in LiveCode, what are any of us 
> doing here?

Well, for me it is not so much about the text editor. It wouldn’t be the first 
textEditor I would be scripting. My problem would be the friggin debugger…
On the other hand, there is a very powerful script editor out in the wild, 
namely glx which I believe Mark Wieder is maintaining. It has its glitches, but 
is not too bad. I just recall that it had a problem hiliting the script at the 
place it errored when it errored. That had me give up on that one. (picky, I 
know) Besides that, I think glx is as far as one can go with a scripted editor. 
:-)

Best,

Malte



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Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

[Mike Kerner]

There are SO MANY things that can, and, in my opinion, should happen with
a/the script editor, that I often wonder if instead of working on one,
effort should instead be spent on a BBEdit/TextWrangler plugin or some
method for leveraging someone else's text editor.

Bootstrapping is an unbelievably powerful technique, though, so the things
that WE can do to/with the existing LC script editor in 8 may make all of
that discussion moot.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Ali Lloyd  wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 at 16:49, Richard Gaskin 
> wrote:
>
> > With the IDE things are even better:  it's already written in a
> > high-level scripting language.  Why not use LiveCode Script?
> >
> > If we can't build a good text editor in LiveCode, what are any of us
> > doing here?
> >
> >
>
> That is a false dichotomy - we certainly can build a good text editor in
> LiveCode Script, but we can probably build a better one using LiveCode
> Builder and LiveCode Script . The field code in the engine is extremely
> complicated, even after all the good work Fraser has done on it. On top of
> that the script editor in the IDE is a highly specialised stack, there is
> code all the way through its objects, and it is fairly inexorably
> intertwined with the debugger.
>
>
> There will be a field widget at some point, that is pretty much known. And
> it will be better than the existing field object. The script editor is
> probably the most important field in the IDE. So we will be using a field
> widget as the basis for the script editor. That much, to me at least, seems
> inevitable. As a result the script editor stack will be more modular,
> manageable and robust.
>
>
> Note this is not the official opinion of LiveCode, just my take on it as
> the person who has been primarily tasked with IDE development for 8.0. I
> don't think that the current script editor should be neglected, and if I
> end up being assigned to that task I will attempt it with equal gusto. I'm
> definitely interested in compromise here, and would be happy if we could
> reach some sort of agreement as to what goals are appropriate for the
> current script editor. And I would be very interested to hear opinions from
> others on this topic.
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Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

[Ali Lloyd]

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 at 16:49, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> With the IDE things are even better:  it's already written in a
> high-level scripting language.  Why not use LiveCode Script?
>
> If we can't build a good text editor in LiveCode, what are any of us
> doing here?
>
>

That is a false dichotomy - we certainly can build a good text editor in
LiveCode Script, but we can probably build a better one using LiveCode
Builder and LiveCode Script . The field code in the engine is extremely
complicated, even after all the good work Fraser has done on it. On top of
that the script editor in the IDE is a highly specialised stack, there is
code all the way through its objects, and it is fairly inexorably
intertwined with the debugger.


There will be a field widget at some point, that is pretty much known. And
it will be better than the existing field object. The script editor is
probably the most important field in the IDE. So we will be using a field
widget as the basis for the script editor. That much, to me at least, seems
inevitable. As a result the script editor stack will be more modular,
manageable and robust.


Note this is not the official opinion of LiveCode, just my take on it as
the person who has been primarily tasked with IDE development for 8.0. I
don't think that the current script editor should be neglected, and if I
end up being assigned to that task I will attempt it with equal gusto. I'm
definitely interested in compromise here, and would be happy if we could
reach some sort of agreement as to what goals are appropriate for the
current script editor. And I would be very interested to hear opinions from
others on this topic.
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Re: [OT] Linux 32-bit to 64-bit

[Peter Alcibiades]

I have often done a fresh install of a new distribution while leaving the
/home partition as was and only had minor issues.  The issue is that the
menu will probably need some manual adjustment as lots of uninstalled
packages may be linked to.  But this was very minor.  

The nightmare with upgrades recently is not clean installs and /home, but
the insane things Gnome has done to the desktop and the even madder things
KDE has done to Kontact, which makes upgrading the system a real issue.  

The solution for Kontact is Cherrytree and Claws.  If you are doing a clean
install you can't pin Kontact to the current version, is the problem.  The
solution to Gnome is Mate.

I have only twice done this going from 32 bit to 64 bit.  It was no
different than in the other cases, so I don't think that installing a 64 bit
version while keeping the /home partition that dates to the 32 bit version
is particularly problematic.

I would take the / partition to EXT4 if doing a clean install.  Sooner or
later you will want to take the /home partition there too.



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Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

[AndyP]

I've been playing around with IDE and have built a simple wrapper stack which
just pulls in the existing LC IDE stacks into the wrapper, copies the LC IDE
menu and has a few extra buttons to turn the standard LC Tools and Menu
pallets on and off. No mods are required to the existing IDE stacks and the
wrapper takes care of resizing etc.

Preview image 
 

When Im happy with it Ill make it available for hacking Open source. 

 



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My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now:
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PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / 
finder.
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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi John,

That "article" just makes a statement without any explanations. Terms 
like "actual expression or execution", "software concept" and "program 
logic" are rather vague. You can't copyright those, simple because you 
can't define them.


A user interface, however, can be copyrighted if it is a creative 
expression by an artist. Probably, you can't copyright a GUI if you're 
just using Apple's or Microsoft's GUI components, but you can definitely 
copyright the visual components of a game and the logo's and icons in a 
utility window.


That leaves algorithms and other trade secrets. For algorithms and other 
technologies, you can register a patent, but I believe Richmond didn't 
want to go that path.


I strikes me that I have never seen any of those copyright registration 
websites giving examples of their services being successfully accepted 
as proof in court.


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On 8/21/2015 03:39, JB wrote:

I was reading an article on how to copyright software

http://www.wikihow.com/Copyright-Software

It talks about how to submit your software code
and what to do if it contains trade secrets.  And
then it says this,

• Your copyright extends only to the actual expression or execution of 
the
software application. It does not protect the software concept, program logic or
algorithms, or the layout of the user interface.


It sounds like your trade secrets are not protected.

John Balgenorth


On Aug 20, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Mark Schonewille 
 wrote:


I didn't say "do nothing". I said: don't spend your money on something that's 
essentially free.

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On 8/20/2015 17:28, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

Since nobody needs to pay money to "copyright" a work, or in
fact nobody NEEDS to "copyright" a work, because it already
is copyrighted, I'd say this website is merely a way to lose
some money.


You can always do nothing. Registration provides additional benefits though.
You can find the equivalent on a lot of sites but this article is short and
clear about the benefits of registration:

http://www.ohiostartuplaw.com/top-5-benefits-of-copyright-registration/

The NOLO legal guides are pretty good for lightweight legal stuff.

Best regards,

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Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

[Richmond]

On 21/08/15 10:38, Paul Richards wrote:

Not a CMS builder, but a drag & drop webpage builder - to quote "No coding & 
free"

http://mobirise.com/

Paul :-)




All a bit too complicated for simple folk like me, I stick with KompoZer:

http://kompozer.net/ 

Richmond.
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Re: JSON, URL-encode, and UTF-8

[Peter W A Wood]

Hi Charles

> On 21 Aug 2015, at 16:07, Charles Warwick  
> wrote:
> 
> HI Peter,
> 
> I did some testing with Jacque and found that her LC7 was sending the wrong 
> content-type when posting to the PHP script.
> 
> In case anyone is interested:
> 
> It was using a content type of 'application/json’ which would have made sense 
> if the PHP script was written to accept the json data directly.
> 
> However, it was expecting the POST data to be encoded in name/value format: 
> variableA=valueA&variableB=valueB.
> 
> In this case, it required the json data stored in a variable called json:  
> i.e.  json=
> 
> Changing the headers as follows before the POST resolved the issue:
> 
>  set the httpHeaders to “content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded"
> 
> As I mentioned to Jacque, the json data itself needs to be urlEncoded.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Charles

Thanks for closing the loop. 

Cheers

Peter
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RE: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

[Paul Richards]

:-( Thanks Scott, 

PageCloud certainly looks a great tool 

Paul 

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Rossi
Sent: 21 August 2015 08:51
To: LiveCode Mail List 
Subject: Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

That should have read "...ISN'T even out of beta..."

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 8/21/15, 12:46 AM, "Scott Rossi"  wrote:

>Sorry Paul, Mobirise is even out of beta and it's already obsolete:
>https://vimeo.com/127926346
>
>
>Admittedly, it's not free.
>



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Re: JSON, URL-encode, and UTF-8

[Charles Warwick]

HI Peter,

I did some testing with Jacque and found that her LC7 was sending the wrong 
content-type when posting to the PHP script.

In case anyone is interested:

It was using a content type of 'application/json’ which would have made sense 
if the PHP script was written to accept the json data directly.

However, it was expecting the POST data to be encoded in name/value format: 
variableA=valueA&variableB=valueB.

In this case, it required the json data stored in a variable called json:  i.e. 
 json=

Changing the headers as follows before the POST resolved the issue:

  set the httpHeaders to “content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded"

As I mentioned to Jacque, the json data itself needs to be urlEncoded.

Cheers,

Charles

> On 21 Aug 2015, at 5:20 pm, Peter W A Wood  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 21 Aug 2015, at 10:59, Peter W A Wood  wrote:
>> 
>> Jacque
>> 
>>> On 21 Aug 2015, at 10:13, J. Landman Gay >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here's a test. This posts just fine in LC 6.x but fails in 7.0.6 and 7.1rc1.
>>> 
>>> Make a field with this in it:
>>> 
>>>  [{"Meals":"Yes","Purpose":"Business"}]
>>> 
>>> Now put this into a button or card script:
>>> 
>>> constant kServerURL = "https://www.domain.com/results.php 
>>> "  --### use a valid URL here
>>> 
>>> 
>>> command sendToServer
>>> if the version < 7 then
>>>   put fld 1 into tData
>>>   put "json=" before tData
>>> else
>>>   put textEncode(fld 1,"UTF8") into tData
>>>   put textEncode("json=",UTF8) before tData
>>> end if
>>> post tData to kServerURL
>>> put it into tResponse
>>> put the result into tErr
>>> breakpoint -- so you can see it
>>> end sendToServer
>>> 
>>> If someone can test this against a simple echo PHP maybe it will tell us 
>>> something. The real server returns empty in LC 7 and "OK" in LC 6.
>> 
>> This works fine in LiveCode 7.0.3. I’ll download 7.1RC1 and see if it works 
>> there too.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
> 
> It also works on LiveCode 7.1 RC1 … which took me hours to download :-(
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: JSON, URL-encode, and UTF-8

[Dave Cragg]

> On 21 Aug 2015, at 02:27, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
> On 8/20/2015 6:45 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:
>> What happens if you remove the httpHeader setting and also UrlEncode
>> tData?
> 
> Still errors I'm afraid.

Instead of removing the httpHeaders setting, what if you set it to this?

set the httpHeaders to "Content-Type:  application/x-www-form-urlencoded"

This is normally the default for post, but if you had set it to something else 
earlier, I was wondering whether the previous setting was still being used.



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Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

[Scott Rossi]

That should have read "...ISN'T even out of beta..."

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 8/21/15, 12:46 AM, "Scott Rossi"  wrote:

>Sorry Paul, Mobirise is even out of beta and it's already obsolete:
>https://vimeo.com/127926346
>
>
>Admittedly, it's not free.
>



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Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

[Scott Rossi]

Sorry Paul, Mobirise is even out of beta and it's already obsolete:
https://vimeo.com/127926346


Admittedly, it's not free.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 8/21/15, 12:38 AM, "Paul Richards"  wrote:

>Not a CMS builder, but a drag & drop webpage builder - to quote "No
>coding & free"
>
>http://mobirise.com/
>
>Paul :-) 
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
>Behalf Of Scott Rossi
>Sent: 19 August 2015 16:42
>To: LiveCode Mail List 
>Subject: Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card
>
>Here we go: Just 3 minutes ago, I received a announcement from Webflow
>for their new visual CMS:
>https://webflow.com/cms
>
>Building without programming is a popular trend :-)
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi
>Creative Director
>Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
>On 8/19/15, 8:35 AM, "Scott Rossi"  wrote:
>
>>This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and
>>will continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple
>>logic.
>>The whole "build without writing code" concept is pretty big right now.
>>But visual programming becomes unwieldy and difficult to follow when
>>logic gets complex.  And it's unlikely that a visual interface could
>>handle all the options provided by the LiveCode language.  But for
>>simple projects, this could be useful for beginners, or when quickly
>>building a stack.
>>
>>Apple's Automator has worked this way for years now, and Audio Hijack
>>on OS X is another app that recently employed a visual UI:
>>https://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Scott Rossi
>>Creative Director
>>Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 8/19/15, 5:20 AM, "Roger Eller"  wrote:
>>
>>>Speaking of workflows, we use a product called Automation Engine in
>>>our prepress shop.  You may not think "programming" when you hear the
>>>word "prepress", but with AE, that is exactly what it is.  We take
>>>business logic, and map it to tasks, loops, forks, file io, error
>>>handlers, etc.
>>>with a graphical workflow editor.  Tasks are listed on the right,
>>>which you drag onto the workspace and arrange and connect them.  Each
>>>task has properties you set by double-clicking to open a panel.  This
>>>would be a slick way to build, or at least connect LC objects to their
>>>inputs/outputs/errors.  Have a look at this short video.  Ignore the
>>>stuff about artwork QC.
>>>
>>>I think a "modern" editor should be something like this... not VB6.
>>>
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbnaqbH5QK8
>>>
>>>~Roger
>>>On Aug 19, 2015 1:31 AM, "Richard Gaskin" 
>>>wrote:
>>>
 Richmond wrote:

 > My main 'beef' with an IDE of the VB6 type is that it blocks the
 > desktop from view and doesn't seem good if one wants to rearrange
 > where one's palettes sit on the screen.
 >
 > Things might prove a bit awkward if one wants to make a stack as
 > big as one's desktop if one cannot shunt palettes around and about.
 >
 > Of course this is all about taste (meaning it's all in the mouth)
 > so it would seem best, if an all-in-one IDE like the VB6 one is to
 > be introduced to have it as one of 2 options.

 I believe it's more than about taste with LiveCode, it's about
workflow.

 LiveCode isn't like other languages, where working with controls is
little  more than a drawing program because nothing there is LIVE
CODE.

 For us, it's less like building an app inside of an IDE as it is
running  an IDE along side our apps.  Our windows are separate
because they're real  windows, not just inert proxies.

 I went into this in greater detail a couple months back:
 

 The Viewer widget needed for that UI will be very nice for us, but I
fear  making an IDE based around it, as it would no longer be truly
LIVE CODE.

 --
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the
 Web  

  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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RE: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

[Paul Richards]

Not a CMS builder, but a drag & drop webpage builder - to quote "No coding & 
free"

http://mobirise.com/ 

Paul :-) 



-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Rossi
Sent: 19 August 2015 16:42
To: LiveCode Mail List 
Subject: Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

Here we go: Just 3 minutes ago, I received a announcement from Webflow for 
their new visual CMS:
https://webflow.com/cms

Building without programming is a popular trend :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 8/19/15, 8:35 AM, "Scott Rossi"  wrote:

>This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and 
>will continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic.
>The whole "build without writing code" concept is pretty big right now.
>But visual programming becomes unwieldy and difficult to follow when 
>logic gets complex.  And it's unlikely that a visual interface could 
>handle all the options provided by the LiveCode language.  But for 
>simple projects, this could be useful for beginners, or when quickly building 
>a stack.
>
>Apple's Automator has worked this way for years now, and Audio Hijack 
>on OS X is another app that recently employed a visual UI:
>https://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi
>Creative Director
>Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
>On 8/19/15, 5:20 AM, "Roger Eller"  wrote:
>
>>Speaking of workflows, we use a product called Automation Engine in 
>>our prepress shop.  You may not think "programming" when you hear the 
>>word "prepress", but with AE, that is exactly what it is.  We take 
>>business logic, and map it to tasks, loops, forks, file io, error handlers, 
>>etc.
>>with a graphical workflow editor.  Tasks are listed on the right, 
>>which you drag onto the workspace and arrange and connect them.  Each 
>>task has properties you set by double-clicking to open a panel.  This 
>>would be a slick way to build, or at least connect LC objects to their 
>>inputs/outputs/errors.  Have a look at this short video.  Ignore the 
>>stuff about artwork QC.
>>
>>I think a "modern" editor should be something like this... not VB6.
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbnaqbH5QK8
>>
>>~Roger
>>On Aug 19, 2015 1:31 AM, "Richard Gaskin" 
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>> > My main 'beef' with an IDE of the VB6 type is that it blocks the 
>>> > desktop from view and doesn't seem good if one wants to rearrange 
>>> > where one's palettes sit on the screen.
>>> >
>>> > Things might prove a bit awkward if one wants to make a stack as 
>>> > big as one's desktop if one cannot shunt palettes around and about.
>>> >
>>> > Of course this is all about taste (meaning it's all in the mouth) 
>>> > so it would seem best, if an all-in-one IDE like the VB6 one is to 
>>> > be introduced to have it as one of 2 options.
>>>
>>> I believe it's more than about taste with LiveCode, it's about 
>>>workflow.
>>>
>>> LiveCode isn't like other languages, where working with controls is 
>>>little  more than a drawing program because nothing there is LIVE 
>>>CODE.
>>>
>>> For us, it's less like building an app inside of an IDE as it is 
>>>running  an IDE along side our apps.  Our windows are separate 
>>>because they're real  windows, not just inert proxies.
>>>
>>> I went into this in greater detail a couple months back:
>>> >> >
>>>
>>> The Viewer widget needed for that UI will be very nice for us, but I 
>>>fear  making an IDE based around it, as it would no longer be truly 
>>>LIVE CODE.
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Fourth World Systems
>>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the 
>>> Web  
>>>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
>>>
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Re: arrow keys in datagrid

[Charles Warwick]

Hmmm… Windows 10 might be the difference, I don’t have that version to test 
against.

I usually use Mac, and only have an old Win XP box that I test with.  Both LC 
6.7.6 and LC 7.1rc1 act the same way for me.

> On 21 Aug 2015, at 3:34 pm, Mike Bonner  wrote:
> 
> 7.0.6 on windows 10 here.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Charles Warwick <
> char...@techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> That is odd…  I have tried this on both Windows and Mac, using LC 6.7.6
>> and it works without any code.
>> 
>> What version are you using?
>> 
>>> On 21 Aug 2015, at 12:48 pm, Mike Bonner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Strange. For me, the arrow keys don't work unless I have the empty
>> handler
>>> in there. (I was going to write a quicky to do the job, but when I add
>> the
>>> empty, poof.  It works)
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:30 PM, William Humphrey 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 No that simple test did not work for me. Tomorrow I will try with a
 different version of livecode.
 
 Brevity and errors in this email probably the result of being sent by a
 mobile device.
 
> On Aug 20, 2015, at 9:13 PM, Charles Warwick <
 char...@techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I use data grids in a lot of applications and the arrow keys always
>> work…
> 
> I just opened up LC 6.7.5, dragged in a data grid, went to its property
 inspector and added some data in the “contents” tab…
> 
> Going to “run” mode, I can select a row and move up and down with the
 arrow keys….
> 
> Does a simple test like that work for you?
> 
>> On 21 Aug 2015, at 11:06 am, william humphrey <
 b...@bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I tried that. It didn't solve the problem. What's even weirder is I
 seem to
>> remember that the datagrid used to work with arrow keys. I made a test
>> stack to be sure it was nothing else in my work that could be causing
 the
>> problem. Your suggestion didn't work there either.
>> 
>> This is Livecode 6.7.4
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Mike Bonner 
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> on arrowkey
>>> 
>>> end arrowkey
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: JSON, URL-encode, and UTF-8

[Peter W A Wood]

> On 21 Aug 2015, at 10:59, Peter W A Wood  wrote:
> 
> Jacque
> 
>> On 21 Aug 2015, at 10:13, J. Landman Gay > > wrote:
>> 
>> Here's a test. This posts just fine in LC 6.x but fails in 7.0.6 and 7.1rc1.
>> 
>> Make a field with this in it:
>> 
>>   [{"Meals":"Yes","Purpose":"Business"}]
>> 
>> Now put this into a button or card script:
>> 
>> constant kServerURL = "https://www.domain.com/results.php 
>> "  --### use a valid URL here
>> 
>> 
>> command sendToServer
>>  if the version < 7 then
>>put fld 1 into tData
>>put "json=" before tData
>>  else
>>put textEncode(fld 1,"UTF8") into tData
>>put textEncode("json=",UTF8) before tData
>>  end if
>>  post tData to kServerURL
>>  put it into tResponse
>>  put the result into tErr
>>  breakpoint -- so you can see it
>> end sendToServer
>> 
>> If someone can test this against a simple echo PHP maybe it will tell us 
>> something. The real server returns empty in LC 7 and "OK" in LC 6.
> 
> This works fine in LiveCode 7.0.3. I’ll download 7.1RC1 and see if it works 
> there too.
> 
> Peter
> 

It also works on LiveCode 7.1 RC1 … which took me hours to download :-(

Regards

Peter

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