Is the hover color of an option menu changeable?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hello,

With LC 6.5.2 on Win 7 an option menu button gets a light blue color, when
hovering it.

Is this hover (and hilite) color changeable?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

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Re: Silly conference survey

[Richmond]

On 09/08/2015 09:27 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

"I am not likely to attend any of the above locations, and

I think a Central European location (e.g. Munich) might give
the impression that RunRev actually cared about developers
outside Britain and the US."

That was exact the same i was thinking when i saw the  the locations.

They are going to look at locations based on where their user base is, which
is why North America is going to figure quite prominently.

Oh yeah, I really like Vancouver, BC Canada :-)

Then there is easy access, price of flights and "comfort". That's why years
ago we had that one in Las Vegas. There are a lot of cheap flights to Las
Vegas from all parts of North America, and special package deals. I don't
have any impression of how much travel costs figure into attendance, but I
know with other specialty conferences, it does.


"easy access, price of flights and "comfort" "

I don't just suppose Las Vagas is easier to access by all those users in 
Germany than, say, Munich.


"comfort"; Ahh, Oh, Yes, I forgot: Munich is outside the 
comfort-zone because they speak a non-English language there.


"from all parts of North America" . . . I wonder about all the users in 
China, South and Central America, Europe and Africa.


You cannot even see how USA-and-her-poodle (Britain) centric you are being.

"price of flights"

Well, yeah, I suppose you are going to say that a ticket from Berlin to 
Las Vegas is cheaper than Berlin to Munich (why bother; just hop on

a bus).

Instead of a silly, slanted survey about where to hold a conference, 
let's have a less-silly survey to see where LiveCode's installed
base live . . . then, on the basis of that let's do some extrapolation 
from where those people live to the places where we could

hold conferences which would be the most convenient to the most people.

Certainly, a cursory look at the Use-list postings and those in the 
Forum gives one an impression that a very large proportion
of LiveCode users are NOT native speakers of English - so I wonder where 
they actually do live?


Richmond.


Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: Silly conference survey

[Trevor DeVore]

On Tuesday, September 8, 2015, Richmond
>
> Instead of a silly, slanted survey about where to hold a conference, let's
> have a less-silly survey to see where LiveCode's installed
> base live . . ..
>

What makes you think that the company doesn't have info on where those
people live?

What seems silly to me is that you think you know more about their
customers than they do.

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Re: Silly conference survey

[Colin Holgate]

Has that been true recently? I’ve been to four conferences now, San Jose, near 
Atlantic City, San Diego, and Edinburgh. Seems mostly US.


> On Sep 8, 2015, at 3:26 PM, PystCat  wrote:
> 
> You DO realize that they hold it in the states every OTHER year, right...?  
> One year somewhere in the states and the next somewhere in Europe.

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Re: Silly conference survey

[Jerry Jensen]

I’ve always wanted to visit Antarctica, but I wasn’t invited to the survey. 
Maybe that’s why.

> On Sep 8, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Richmond  wrote:
> 
> survey would have looked a bit more friendly if it had left a chance open for 
> participants to suggest other cities in other states/countries than those 
> forced as choices
> on participants.


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Re: Silly conference survey

[Richard Gaskin]

Richmond wrote:

http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9a=cbaad904da=30cf6c38b4


Thanks.  The form won't accept input in Chrome, and since I didn't 
receive an invitation to participate in the survey I'll wait until it's 
ready and I get an invitation.


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Re: Silly conference survey

[Richmond]

On 09/08/2015 10:06 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

On Tuesday, September 8, 2015, Richmond

Instead of a silly, slanted survey about where to hold a conference, let's
have a less-silly survey to see where LiveCode's installed
base live . . ..


What makes you think that the company doesn't have info on where those
people live?

What seems silly to me is that you think you know more about their
customers than they do.



I don't think I know more about RunRev's customers than they do,
but I do think that their survey is slanted and sends out a signal to those
who don't live in Britain or the USA that is not particularly "cuddly".

To make my point I suggested the idea of a "where people stay" survey.

Richmond.

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Re: Silly conference survey

[PystCat]

You DO realize that they hold it in the states every OTHER year, right...?  One 
year somewhere in the states and the next somewhere in Europe.



> On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Richmond  wrote:
> 
> On 09/08/2015 09:27 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
 "I am not likely to attend any of the above locations, and
>>> I think a Central European location (e.g. Munich) might give
>>> the impression that RunRev actually cared about developers
>>> outside Britain and the US."
>>> 
>>> That was exact the same i was thinking when i saw the  the locations.
>> They are going to look at locations based on where their user base is, which
>> is why North America is going to figure quite prominently.
>> 
>> Oh yeah, I really like Vancouver, BC Canada :-)
>> 
>> Then there is easy access, price of flights and "comfort". That's why years
>> ago we had that one in Las Vegas. There are a lot of cheap flights to Las
>> Vegas from all parts of North America, and special package deals. I don't
>> have any impression of how much travel costs figure into attendance, but I
>> know with other specialty conferences, it does.
> 
> "easy access, price of flights and "comfort" "
> 
> I don't just suppose Las Vagas is easier to access by all those users in 
> Germany than, say, Munich.
> 
> "comfort"; Ahh, Oh, Yes, I forgot: Munich is outside the comfort-zone 
> because they speak a non-English language there.
> 
> "from all parts of North America" . . . I wonder about all the users in 
> China, South and Central America, Europe and Africa.
> 
> You cannot even see how USA-and-her-poodle (Britain) centric you are being.
> 
> "price of flights"
> 
> Well, yeah, I suppose you are going to say that a ticket from Berlin to Las 
> Vegas is cheaper than Berlin to Munich (why bother; just hop on
> a bus).
> 
> Instead of a silly, slanted survey about where to hold a conference, let's 
> have a less-silly survey to see where LiveCode's installed
> base live . . . then, on the basis of that let's do some extrapolation from 
> where those people live to the places where we could
> hold conferences which would be the most convenient to the most people.
> 
> Certainly, a cursory look at the Use-list postings and those in the Forum 
> gives one an impression that a very large proportion
> of LiveCode users are NOT native speakers of English - so I wonder where they 
> actually do live?
> 
> Richmond.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Lynn Fredricks
>> Paradigma Software
>> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>> 
>> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>> 
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Re: Silly conference survey

[Roger Eller]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Trevor DeVore 
wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015, Richmond
> >
> > Instead of a silly, slanted survey about where to hold a conference,
> let's
> > have a less-silly survey to see where LiveCode's installed
> > base live . . ..
> >
>
> What makes you think that the company doesn't have info on where those
> people live?
>
> What seems silly to me is that you think you know more about their
> customers than they do.
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
>

I'm sure they do, at least for anyone that has received a printed
dictionary, a Revolution coffee mug, or a conference DVD set, etc.

~Roger
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Re: Silly conference survey

[Richmond]

On 09/08/2015 10:26 PM, PystCat wrote:

You DO realize that they hold it in the states every OTHER year, right...?  One 
year somewhere in the states and the next somewhere in Europe.


If Edinburgh every other year constitutes "somewhere in Europe" I 
suppose you are right. However, at the risk of being accused
or being a bit arch about Geography, there are other big towns in 
Europe; a lot of which are considerably more central to Europe

than Edinburgh, which after Rekjavik . . .






On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Richmond  wrote:

On 09/08/2015 09:27 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

"I am not likely to attend any of the above locations, and

I think a Central European location (e.g. Munich) might give
the impression that RunRev actually cared about developers
outside Britain and the US."

That was exact the same i was thinking when i saw the  the locations.

They are going to look at locations based on where their user base is, which
is why North America is going to figure quite prominently.

Oh yeah, I really like Vancouver, BC Canada :-)

Then there is easy access, price of flights and "comfort". That's why years
ago we had that one in Las Vegas. There are a lot of cheap flights to Las
Vegas from all parts of North America, and special package deals. I don't
have any impression of how much travel costs figure into attendance, but I
know with other specialty conferences, it does.

"easy access, price of flights and "comfort""

I don't just suppose Las Vagas is easier to access by all those users in 
Germany than, say, Munich.

"comfort"; Ahh, Oh, Yes, I forgot: Munich is outside the comfort-zone 
because they speak a non-English language there.

"from all parts of North America" . . . I wonder about all the users in China, 
South and Central America, Europe and Africa.

You cannot even see how USA-and-her-poodle (Britain) centric you are being.

"price of flights"

Well, yeah, I suppose you are going to say that a ticket from Berlin to Las 
Vegas is cheaper than Berlin to Munich (why bother; just hop on
a bus).

Instead of a silly, slanted survey about where to hold a conference, let's have 
a less-silly survey to see where LiveCode's installed
base live . . . then, on the basis of that let's do some extrapolation from 
where those people live to the places where we could
hold conferences which would be the most convenient to the most people.

Certainly, a cursory look at the Use-list postings and those in the Forum gives 
one an impression that a very large proportion
of LiveCode users are NOT native speakers of English - so I wonder where they 
actually do live?

Richmond.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: Livecode web site?

[Mark Waddingham]

The problem has now been fixed.

Mark

Sent from my iPhone

> On 8 Sep 2015, at 19:12, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> 
> Any idea who we should contact about it?
> 
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM Rick Harrison 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Yes, same problem here.  Something is seriously screwed up there!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a
>> bunch
>>> of weird characters instead of the real content.
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externals on Windows

[Vokey, John]

I normally use Livecode for OS X, but I have a device that is controlled from 
Windows.  I would like to build an interface to the device to work with 
Livecode on Windows, and to do so, I would need to build and external that 
connects with a DLL to toggle to read the inputs from the device.  I know 
nothing about writing externals for Livecode on Windows.  Are there any 
tutorials available?

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Re: Silly conference survey

[Kaveh Bazargan]

Cheap accommodation and travel is key I believe. And I hope they call a
halt to the two-tier hotel tradition. I think everyone will be happier in
one reasonably priced hotel. Those who really want to can book alternative
accommodation.

Las Vegas is good choice for reasons given. But I was very peed off
when LiveCode cancelled a Las Vegas conf at very short notice. I had plans
to go to 3 other shows and confs on the back of that...

On 8 September 2015 at 20:26, PystCat  wrote:

> You DO realize that they hold it in the states every OTHER year,
> right...?  One year somewhere in the states and the next somewhere in
> Europe.
>
>
>
> > On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Richmond 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 09/08/2015 09:27 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>  "I am not likely to attend any of the above locations, and
> >>> I think a Central European location (e.g. Munich) might give
> >>> the impression that RunRev actually cared about developers
> >>> outside Britain and the US."
> >>>
> >>> That was exact the same i was thinking when i saw the  the locations.
> >> They are going to look at locations based on where their user base is,
> which
> >> is why North America is going to figure quite prominently.
> >>
> >> Oh yeah, I really like Vancouver, BC Canada :-)
> >>
> >> Then there is easy access, price of flights and "comfort". That's why
> years
> >> ago we had that one in Las Vegas. There are a lot of cheap flights to
> Las
> >> Vegas from all parts of North America, and special package deals. I
> don't
> >> have any impression of how much travel costs figure into attendance,
> but I
> >> know with other specialty conferences, it does.
> >
> > "easy access, price of flights and "comfort" "
> >
> > I don't just suppose Las Vagas is easier to access by all those users in
> Germany than, say, Munich.
> >
> > "comfort"; Ahh, Oh, Yes, I forgot: Munich is outside the
> comfort-zone because they speak a non-English language there.
> >
> > "from all parts of North America" . . . I wonder about all the users in
> China, South and Central America, Europe and Africa.
> >
> > You cannot even see how USA-and-her-poodle (Britain) centric you are
> being.
> >
> > "price of flights"
> >
> > Well, yeah, I suppose you are going to say that a ticket from Berlin to
> Las Vegas is cheaper than Berlin to Munich (why bother; just hop on
> > a bus).
> >
> > Instead of a silly, slanted survey about where to hold a conference,
> let's have a less-silly survey to see where LiveCode's installed
> > base live . . . then, on the basis of that let's do some extrapolation
> from where those people live to the places where we could
> > hold conferences which would be the most convenient to the most people.
> >
> > Certainly, a cursory look at the Use-list postings and those in the
> Forum gives one an impression that a very large proportion
> > of LiveCode users are NOT native speakers of English - so I wonder where
> they actually do live?
> >
> > Richmond.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Lynn Fredricks
> >> Paradigma Software
> >> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> >>
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> >>
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Re: Silly conference survey

[Richmond]

On 09/08/2015 10:53 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:
http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9a=cbaad904da=30cf6c38b4 



Thanks.  The form won't accept input in Chrome, and since I didn't 
receive an invitation to participate in the survey I'll wait until 
it's ready and I get an invitation.




Well, I received it in my Yahoo account on Firefox: but, then the good 
people at RunRev have still not got round to working out that
the way to avoid Richmond's acidulated remarks is to stop posting them 
to 'John Mathewson' as well as 'Richmond Mathewson'.


I do think, even if only as a sop to those of us (like myself) who get 
fed up how RunRev, for all their ballyhoo about China and so forth,
do seem to give the impression that they don't really seem to think 
outside a North Atlantic box, the survey would have looked a bit
more friendly if it had left a chance open for participants to suggest 
other cities in other states/countries than those forced as choices

on participants.

Richmond.

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RE: Silly conference survey

[Lynn Fredricks]

> in the Forum gives one an impression that a very large 
> proportion of LiveCode users are NOT native speakers of 
> English - so I wonder where they actually do live?

As Trevor said, they know where their user base is. What do they do not know
necessarily is of that user base, what percentage would go to any conference
at all - then how far to travel.

All said and done, I wonder what language is known by all members of the
company AND is most likely the most common language spoken by the most
number of actual paying users of LiveCode? What is the most common language
on the mailing list? What is the language most commonly used on the forums?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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Re: Silly conference survey

[Peter W A Wood]

> On 9 Sep 2015, at 04:01, Richmond  wrote:
> 
> To make my point I suggested the idea of a "where people stay" survey.
> 
> Richmond.

As the conference is unlikely to be conducted in any language other then 
English, the statistics of visitors to 1001 Things To Do With LiveCode could 
provide one insight into location of LiveCode users:

United States   36833
United Kingdom   8491
Germany  7278
France   4834
Canada   4667
Australia2965
Italy2032
Russia   1291
Malaysia  557
Ukraine   535

Regards

Peter

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Re: Silly conference survey

[Richard Gaskin]

Richmond wrote:
> but I do think that their survey is slanted and sends out a
> signal to those who don't live in Britain or the USA that is
> not particularly "cuddly".

In any global community any single location will make a good many people 
feel "uncuddly".


As the community grows we may expect to see a greater number of regional 
events, possibly in lieu of or possibly complimenting a single larger 
global event.


For example, I'm currently working with the organizers of the SoCal 
Linux Expo to see if we can add a one-day track at their event in 
Pasadena next January that's all about LiveCode, sort of a 
mini-LiveCode-conference under the SCaLE umbrella as we do for Ubuntu 
with UbuCon there each year.


Please don't make travel commitments yet, unless it's for SCaLE itself 
which is always well worth attending.   My discussions with the SCaLE 
folks are early-stage, and it'll likely be a few more weeks before we'll 
know for sure if we can pull together the logistics to make that happen. 
 But if you have any interest in Linux at all, man oh man I can't say 
enough great things about attending SCaLE, with or without a LiveCode 
event there.


As for LC events elsewhere, I would encourage anyone here interested in 
organizing a regional LiveCode event to do so.


The very first LiveCode conference was held in Monterey, organized by 
Dan Shafer and Chipp Walters and required no assistance from LiveCode 
Ltd.  They continued to hold the Monterey conferences as an independent 
event for many years.


The Euro RevCon held in Malta twice was also put together by a community 
member, Jim Sims.


A global conference is great, but difficult for both the company and 
attendees who may not be close to the venue.  But that needn't stop us 
from having a good time sharing LiveCode tips with our friends and 
colleagues wherever we are, whenever we can.


Whether it's a monthly user group meeting with a dozen or so people, or 
a large annual or semi-annual regional even for a hundred or more, it 
all seems like a good time to me.


Extra bonus points if there's also an annual global conference to top it 
all off.


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 LiveCode Community Manager
 rich...@livecode.org

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Re: Silly conference survey

[Monte Goulding]

> On 9 Sep 2015, at 6:03 am, Richmond  wrote:
> 
> If Edinburgh every other year constitutes "somewhere in Europe" I suppose you 
> are right. However, at the risk of being accused
> or being a bit arch about Geography, there are other big towns in Europe; a 
> lot of which are considerably more central to Europe
> than Edinburgh, which after Rekjavik . . .

Considering you can drive or get a very cheap flight anywhere around Europe it 
shouldn’t matter too much and for logistical reasons being able to take 
advantage of all their resources for a conference every now and then would be 
refreshing. The team is now probably too large to fly everyone to a conference. 

Try being on the other side of the planet some time. It least when you’re this 
far away it doesn’t matter where it is they are all about as expensive as each 
other.
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Re: Editing Large Scripts is Faster

[Richard Gaskin]

Ali Lloyd wrote:


On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 12:02 AM Richard Gaskin wrote:


 Let's not let Github's limitation impede meaningful work.

 What we need is a way to ensure that the changes applied are
 the changes we want.

 Format is a distant second to that, merely a means to that end and
 something we can overcome.

 Let's brainstorm ways to fix this critical problem holding up so
 much of the work we could be sharing.

...

Yes, I completely agree that this is a problem which needs a
solution. But the fact remains that we currently don't have one.


Au contraire, mon ami:  We're surrounded by possible solutions, we just 
haven't picked one yet.


I agree that solutions favoring Github should continue to be preferred 
wherever practical.


But Github is only a means to a goal, and of course not the goal itself. 
 Where it helps achieve a goal that benefits LiveCode it should be 
used, and where it may impeded a goal that would benefit LiveCode other 
options will be needed, perhaps crafted in LiveCode itself (it's a 
wonderfully flexible and efficient language). Software was produced long 
before Github was born, and will continue to be produced long after 
Github is replaced, so we have a long history of productive options to 
inspire us as we work our way toward a solution.


Thankfully most of what we need is already handled well with the current 
Github setup, including not only the engine but also docs and nearly all 
libraries.


But from time to time we may have an edge-case opportunity for a 
component in LiveCode's native file format, such as the one on our 
plates now.  For those we'll want to be able to act on community 
contributions where they help add value to the LiveCode experience.


It may be helpful to separate what we *want* from what we truly *need*.

Clearly what we *want* is a Github-savvy solution, but Github was never 
designed for how LiveCode works so there are edge cases like this one 
where that one option isn't practical.


What we *need* is the ability to:

- IDENTIFY specific changes between a master stack file
  and a modified one.

- REVIEW those changes to ensure fitness, compatibility,
  and security.

- MERGE those changes into the master, if for some reason the
  master has been altered since the changes were submitted. (if
  the master hasn't changed of course the new stack file can
  simply become the master going forward).

There are specifics of each step we could explore in more detail, but 
it's worth noting here that it seems from your post that the v7 IDE is 
effectively frozen in terms of LiveCode Ltd's changes, with the team's 
efforts going into the dev branch for v8, and dependent on components 
that require v8's Builder language and thus preclude traditional 
backporting.


That the v7 IDE has few if any changes between minor release means that 
a merge per se may not be needed.  And since an object merge is the only 
complex step not already addressed through relatively simple tools, we 
have hope for a workflow that may allow the community to continue to 
advance the IDE shipping with the current product while the team focuses 
on the future.


I'll follow up offline to explore these details with you in our next 
Community meeting, and look forward to reporting back here either a new 
workflow for these rare edge cases or a solid understanding of why the 
current IDE cannot be enhanced.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 LiveCode Community Manager
 rich...@livecode.org


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Re: Editing Large Scripts is Faster

[Monte Goulding]

> On 9 Sep 2015, at 7:31 am, Richard Gaskin  wrote:
> 
> That the v7 IDE has few if any changes between minor release means that a 
> merge per se may not be needed.  And since an object merge is the only 
> complex step not already addressed through relatively simple tools, we have 
> hope for a workflow that may allow the community to continue to advance the 
> IDE shipping with the current product while the team focuses on the future.


I haven’t been following this conversation. Do you want your changes eventually 
merged into v8 or are they only for v7? If it’s just v7 why not start a 
community fork and take the pressure of the team?

On a slightly related note I should be able to support widgets in lcVCS for 
those on the bleeding edge of v8 now that the widget  <-> array is merged in.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: BBEdit/Textwrangler LCM for livescript

[James Hale]

Hi Peter,

That is a shame. I guess it makes sense though.

Code folding is possible if I use the SBK and make a compiled language module. 
I will have a look but make no promises.

As far as shifting to BBEdit from TextWrangler, well it really depends on if 
you would use it for other things as well and really wanted the features it 
offered over TextWrangler.

I have been using BBEdit since day one but if I am honest could probably drop 
it and use TextWrangler.

James

> Unfortunately, the grouping of keywords
> doesn't seem to work in TextWrangler.  Only string literal are colored now
> and there are no extra color preferences.  Not really surprising since
> TextWrangler is free.
> 
> Maybe I'll have to give BBEdit a whirl, although the lack of folding is a
> big minus for me.




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Re: BBEdit/Textwrangler LCM for livescript

[Peter Haworth]

Thanks James.  Probably not worth spending any more time on it unless you
want the code folding yourself.  I've been checking out TextMate too and it
does include code folding and is free.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 4:49 PM James Hale  wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> That is a shame. I guess it makes sense though.
>
> Code folding is possible if I use the SBK and make a compiled language
> module.
> I will have a look but make no promises.
>
> As far as shifting to BBEdit from TextWrangler, well it really depends on
> if you would use it for other things as well and really wanted the features
> it offered over TextWrangler.
>
> I have been using BBEdit since day one but if I am honest could probably
> drop it and use TextWrangler.
>
> James
>
> > Unfortunately, the grouping of keywords
> > doesn't seem to work in TextWrangler.  Only string literal are colored
> now
> > and there are no extra color preferences.  Not really surprising since
> > TextWrangler is free.
> >
> > Maybe I'll have to give BBEdit a whirl, although the lack of folding is a
> > big minus for me.
>
>
>
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Re: Editing Large Scripts is Faster

[Richard Gaskin]

Monte Goulding wrote:

>> On 9 Sep 2015, at 7:31 am, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>> That the v7 IDE has few if any changes between minor release
>> means that a merge per se may not be needed.  And since an
>> object merge is the only complex step not already addressed
>> through relatively simple tools, we have hope for a workflow
>> that may allow the community to continue to advance the IDE
>> shipping with the current product while the team focuses on
>> the future.
>
> I haven’t been following this conversation. Do you want your changes
> eventually merged into v8 or are they only for v7?

This thread goes back aways, but perhaps the crux is in this post from 
Charles Warwick with a change he added to the v7 IDE so useful the team 
has since incorporated it into the v8 build:




I gather from Ali's post that the v7 IDE is in maintenance mode; that 
is, critical bugs will be addressed but new features likely to be 
limited to v8 to be deployed with Builder is out of Beta.


Meanwhile, we all want to see the company raise its conversion rates by 
providing the best LiveCode experience we can for people downloading the 
current version today.  So if we can find a way to advantage of 
community contributions in the current product, all of the current 
community benefits as well as those considering LiveCode who may find a 
nifty new feature now and then that much more compelling.



> If it’s just v7 why not start a community fork and take the pressure
> of the team?

Essentially that seems to be where we're at.  Most of the work is 
already well handled through Github, so we're really only talking about 
a very small number of edge cases. And on this one the work has already 
been done by the community (thanks, Charles!).


But the difference is that a true fork is only useful for those that 
learn about it, know where to download it, and are comfortable digging 
into their LiveCode folders to replace their IDE stack file with the 
Community fork.  Fine for most of tte folks on this list, but nearly 
completely obviating any possible benefit for newcomers.


If we can just get a review process in place for community enhancements 
to the IDE to be included in the main install, everyone wins.



> On a slightly related note I should be able to support widgets
> in lcVCS for those on the bleeding edge of v8 now that the
> widget  <-> array is merged in.

Good to hear.  Once Builder is fleshed out, tested, and performant I 
look forward to diving in wholeheartedly.


--
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  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at livecode.org

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Re: Silly conference survey

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Richmond 
wrote:
[access to Las Vegas]

> "from all parts of North America" . . . I wonder about all the users in
> China, South and Central America, Europe and Africa
>

Oh, yes.  Except maybe Africa.

Nonstop to most of asia, Europe.   Probably even more Asia than Europe.

Our industry makes great efforts to get people here comfortable and happy;
grumpy and tired loses the alternate reality immersion, which is our real
product (gambling is just part of the schtick, save for the very high
rollers).

It's very important to us--if people stop coming, we'd have to start paying
taxes :)




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This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things

[Mark Wieder]

On 09/08/2015 05:37 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


If we can just get a review process in place for community enhancements
to the IDE to be included in the main install, everyone wins.


And that's really the only unsolved part right now.
1. The script editor fix is now part of the LC8 develop branch.
2. Charles' script editor stack is now public and usable in LC6 and LC7.
3. Charles detailed the changes that need to be done in the existing 
script editor stack in his bug report.
4. I incorporated Charles' stack into my build repository, pushed, and 
submitted a pull request.


So there are now four ways to get this integrated into LC6 and LC7.

1. I guess it's too much work to backport the changes that were made to 
the LC8 stack.
3. For some reason it must be too hard to incorporate the bug report 
changes, because the filter was implemented a different way.
4. My pull request was passive-aggressively not accepted because 
"there's no way to review the changes".


That leaves #2, as in it's an exercise left to the user to incorporate 
locally, and has to be again with each new release.


This would be ridiculous if it weren't so ridiculous... an open source 
project on its third major release that still can't accept user inputs?


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Re: Editing Large Scripts is Faster

[Monte Goulding]

> On 9 Sep 2015, at 10:37 am, Richard Gaskin  wrote:
> 
> If we can just get a review process in place for community enhancements to 
> the IDE to be included in the main install, everyone wins.

Are you talking about both script and object property changes or just script? 
If it’s just script (at least for starters) then let me make the following 
suggestion:

- The user that wants to make the change checks out the development head of the 
livecode version they want to update. For example develop-7.0 in this 
discussion. 
- They build and run (which will load the ide from the repo). 
- They open the script they want to edit and copy it. 
- They go to github and create a gist with
  - the first line being the long name of the objec
  - second line being the commit reference for the previous change to the file 
before this script version (git log -n 1 — stackname.livecode)
  - the rest of the gist is the script from that version of the stack
- They edit the script in livecode and get it how they want
- They copy the script again and go and add a revision to their gist
- They open up a bug report and link to the gist

The LiveCode team can see the exact changes made on the revisions page like 
this:
https://gist.github.com/montegoulding/d0e3b0dc0fb5a94ff2d7/revisions 


They can comment and discuss further changes required for it to be copied in.

This way if there is a new commit between the one the user based the gist on 
and the most recent in the repo then the team know that they need to ask the 
contributor to base the change off the latest or merge them.

Cheers

Monte


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Re: BBEdit/Textwrangler LCM for livescript

[Peter Haworth]

Hi James,
Thanks for all your work on this.  Unfortunately, the grouping of keywords
doesn't seem to work in TextWrangler.  Only string literal are colored now
and there are no extra color preferences.  Not really surprising since
TextWrangler is free.

Maybe I'll have to give BBEdit a whirl, although the lack of folding is a
big minus for me.

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 10:21 PM James Hale  wrote:

> I contacted BBEdit re getting the newer version of the CLMs working and
> had some success and some failure.
> Success: Keywords now broken up into classes with a different colour for
> each class.
> Failure: multi word keywords are not possible with the CLM
>  Control structure folding is thus not possible either (cannot
> tell "end if" from  "end repeat" as it can't handle multi word keys)
>
> I originally contacted Rich as I was getting a BBEdit console error
> stating that there were no keywords and hence color syntax would not work.
> As it turns out, the error message is bogus and the colorsyntax wasn't
> working due to another bug. I will let Rich explain.
>
> > As to the coloring generally: the module is constructed correctly, but
> the default colors aren't being loaded because of an obscure math bug that
> arose out of the need to support some legacy preferences. Fortunately, you
> can work around this permanently as follows: in each case where your
> language module specifies a color as "rgb(R, G, B)", you can rewrite this
> as a four-component RGBA color: "rgba(r, g, b, a)", where each component in
> the rgba color is computed by dividing the respective component in the RGB
> color by 256.0, and the "a" component is always 1.0. Thus:
> >
> >   com.barebones.bblm.livescript.commands
> >   rgb(110, 50, 200)
> >
> > would become:
> >
> >   com.barebones.bblm.livescript.commands
> >   rgba(0.43, 0.19, 0.78, 1.0)
>
>
>
> So I have updated the LCM to now separate the keywords into the following:
> properties
> operators
> objects
> messages
> keywords
> functions
> constants
> commands
> controls
> and given each a different color! (Well if its there, use it :-))
>
> As a bonus, as these are named sets they appear in the "Text Colors" pane
> of the BBEdit preferences, so you can change them to your liking without
> the need to do the maths and edit the .plist (NB: for some reason the
> "controls" set does not show in the pref pane.)
>
> I have uploaded the revised livescript.plist.
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8212901/Livescript.plist
>
>
> James
>
> ja...@thehales.id.au
>
> Tel: +61 3 9386 2516
> Fax: +61 3 9386 1387
>
>
>
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Re: Silly conference survey

[Kaveh Bazargan]

​Where was this survey?
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RE: Silly conference survey

[John Dixon]

it was mentioned by livecode on this list...


> From: ka...@rivervalleytechnologies.com
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 18:31:32 +0100
> Subject: Re: Silly conference survey
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> 
> ​Where was this survey?
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RE: Silly conference survey

[Ralph DiMola]

I missed it also. When was it sent and what was the subject?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Kaveh Bazargan
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​Where was this survey?



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Re: Silly conference survey

[Kaveh Bazargan]

I am on list but can't find it. Any chance you can forward link?

On 8 September 2015 at 18:35, John Dixon  wrote:

> it was mentioned by livecode on this list...
>
>
> > From: ka...@rivervalleytechnologies.com
> > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 18:31:32 +0100
> > Subject: Re: Silly conference survey
> > To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> >
> > ​Where was this survey?
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Re: Silly conference survey

[Richmond]

http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9a=cbaad904da=30cf6c38b4

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Silly conference survey

[Richmond]

1. Please rank by preference where you would like the 2016 LiveCode 
Conference to be.


2. Which is the least likely place you would attend?

followed by an extremely limited set of choices . . . so I replied in 
the box:


"I am not likely to attend any of the above locations, and I think a 
Central European location (e.g. Munich) might give the impression that 
RunRev actually cared about developers outside Britain and the US."


3. How likely are you to attend this in person?

So I wrote this in the box:

"Or China?"

And when I tried to submit I got this message:

"This question requires an answer." 3 times.

This is so slanted it has almost no value at all.

I am unable to answer any of the questions honestly because the way the 
survey

is designed prevents me from being able to do that.

Bad, very bad.

RIchmond.

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Re: Silly conference survey

[Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D]

> Am 08.09.2015 um 19:02 schrieb Richmond :
> 2. Which is the least likely place you would attend?
> 
> followed by an extremely limited set of choices . . . so I replied in the box:
> 
> "I am not likely to attend any of the above locations, and I think a Central 
> European location (e.g. Munich) might give the impression that RunRev 
> actually cared about developers outside Britain and the US."

That was exact the same i was thinking when i saw the  the locations.

Matthias



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Livecode web site?

[Peter Haworth]

Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a bunch
of weird characters instead of the real content.
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Kaveh Bazargan]

Same here. I thought problem was fixed a while ago. :-(

On 8 September 2015 at 19:07, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a bunch
> of weird characters instead of the real content.
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Rick Harrison]

Hi Peter,

Yes, same problem here.  Something is seriously screwed up there!

Cheers,

Rick

> On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> 
> Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a bunch
> of weird characters instead of the real content.
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Peter Haworth]

Any idea who we should contact about it?

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM Rick Harrison 
wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> Yes, same problem here.  Something is seriously screwed up there!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
> > On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> >
> > Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a
> bunch
> > of weird characters instead of the real content.
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Tore Nilsen]

This is very strange. I first tried to go to the site by using livecode.com and 
it was all gibberish. I then tried the link lessons.runrev.com 
 which worked alright. By clicking on the link to 
the live code site on this page, I was taken back to live code.com and it 
worked alright. 

Tore
> 8. sep. 2015 kl. 20.12 skrev Peter Haworth :
> 
> Any idea who we should contact about it?
> 
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM Rick Harrison 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Yes, same problem here.  Something is seriously screwed up there!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a
>> bunch
>>> of weird characters instead of the real content.
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Colin Holgate]

www.livecode.com is good, livecode.com is bad.


> On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Tore Nilsen  wrote:
> 
> This is very strange. I first tried to go to the site by using livecode.com 
> and it was all gibberish. I then tried the link lessons.runrev.com 
>  which worked alright. By clicking on the link to 
> the live code site on this page, I was taken back to live code.com and it 
> worked alright. 
> 
> Tore
>> 8. sep. 2015 kl. 20.12 skrev Peter Haworth :
>> 
>> Any idea who we should contact about it?
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM Rick Harrison 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> Yes, same problem here.  Something is seriously screwed up there!
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
 
 Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a
>>> bunch
 of weird characters instead of the real content.
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Kaveh Bazargan]

Seems like www.livecode.com is fine, but without www. it is gibberish

On 8 September 2015 at 19:16, Tore Nilsen  wrote:

> This is very strange. I first tried to go to the site by using
> livecode.com and it was all gibberish. I then tried the link
> lessons.runrev.com  which worked alright. By
> clicking on the link to the live code site on this page, I was taken back
> to live code.com and it worked alright.
>
> Tore
> > 8. sep. 2015 kl. 20.12 skrev Peter Haworth :
> >
> > Any idea who we should contact about it?
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM Rick Harrison  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Peter,
> >>
> >> Yes, same problem here.  Something is seriously screwed up there!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>> On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a
> >> bunch
> >>> of weird characters instead of the real content.
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Tore Nilsen]

You need to use this dress to make it work: www.livecode.com 



Tore
> 8. sep. 2015 kl. 20.16 skrev Tore Nilsen :
> 
> This is very strange. I first tried to go to the site by using livecode.com 
> and it was all gibberish. I then tried the link lessons.runrev.com 
>  which worked alright. By clicking on the link to 
> the live code site on this page, I was taken back to live code.com and it 
> worked alright. 
> 
> Tore
>> 8. sep. 2015 kl. 20.12 skrev Peter Haworth :
>> 
>> Any idea who we should contact about it?
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM Rick Harrison 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> Yes, same problem here.  Something is seriously screwed up there!
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
 
 Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a
>>> bunch
 of weird characters instead of the real content.
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Mike Bonner]

www.livecode.com works, livecode.com does not. I got curious and did a
google search for "livecode.com hacked" and found
http://livecode.com/the-hacked-server-hangover/ which seems to exist but is
gibberish too.  livecode.com/fred gives the "oops" error, so it seems there
IS actually a page at http://livecode.com/the-hacked-server-hangover/ which
is very weird.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Tore Nilsen  wrote:

> This is very strange. I first tried to go to the site by using
> livecode.com and it was all gibberish. I then tried the link
> lessons.runrev.com  which worked alright. By
> clicking on the link to the live code site on this page, I was taken back
> to live code.com and it worked alright.
>
> Tore
> > 8. sep. 2015 kl. 20.12 skrev Peter Haworth :
> >
> > Any idea who we should contact about it?
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM Rick Harrison  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Peter,
> >>
> >> Yes, same problem here.  Something is seriously screwed up there!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>> On Sep 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a
> >> bunch
> >>> of weird characters instead of the real content.
> >>> ___
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Mark Waddingham]

As do I - David is looking into it.

Mark

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> On 8 Sep 2015, at 19:07, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> 
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Mike Bonner]

nvm the hacked address was an article I guess.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Mark Waddingham  wrote:

> As do I - David is looking into it.
>
> Mark
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 8 Sep 2015, at 19:07, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> >
> > Anyone tried to get to the livecode.com website today? I just get a
> bunch
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RE: Silly conference survey

[Lynn Fredricks]

> > "I am not likely to attend any of the above locations, and 
> I think a Central European location (e.g. Munich) might give 
> the impression that RunRev actually cared about developers 
> outside Britain and the US."
> 
> That was exact the same i was thinking when i saw the  the locations.

They are going to look at locations based on where their user base is, which
is why North America is going to figure quite prominently. 

Oh yeah, I really like Vancouver, BC Canada :-)

Then there is easy access, price of flights and "comfort". That's why years
ago we had that one in Las Vegas. There are a lot of cheap flights to Las
Vegas from all parts of North America, and special package deals. I don't
have any impression of how much travel costs figure into attendance, but I
know with other specialty conferences, it does.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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Re: Livecode web site?

[Peter Haworth]

Thanks Mark. If it helps, going to www.livecode.com works but when I click
the Download button, I get gibberish again.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:22 AM Mike Bonner  wrote:

> nvm the hacked address was an article I guess.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Mark Waddingham 
> wrote:
>
> > As do I - David is looking into it.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 8 Sep 2015, at 19:07, Peter Haworth  wrote:
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