Re: Chromebook apps?

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

Rick:
Thanks. I’ve considered that. But my app is pretty complex. There is 
interactive maps plotting earthquakes, elevations, ages, etc, graphics capture 
and editing, writing, lots of complex actions that I think would require a 
major time investment to do on the web. It is actually something I've thought 
about, but I’m not ready to take that on yet.

In case you’re curious, my demo video of the old 32bit version that I’m 
building my update on is at: https://earthlearningsolutions.org 


Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://earthlearningsolutions.org/

> On Nov 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> If you make your app a webpage instead by using
> a LiveCode Server, then everyone can just visit your 
> website.  It will run on all computers with web
> access, not just ChromeBooks.
> 
> Good luck with whatever you decide to do!
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 12:52 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
>> learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just 
>> want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
>> Chromebook.
>> 
>> I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
>> run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
>> like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
>> Chromebook apps. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>> 
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Re: Chromebook apps?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Bill,

If you make your app a webpage instead by using
a LiveCode Server, then everyone can just visit your 
website.  It will run on all computers with web
access, not just ChromeBooks.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do!

Rick

> On Nov 26, 2020, at 12:52 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
> learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just want 
> to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
> Chromebook.
> 
> I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
> run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
> like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
> Chromebook apps. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
> 
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Re: Chromebook apps?

[Kee Nethery via use-livecode]

If you are deploying a single purpose system, for example voter registration or 
data collection or multiuser simulations/games, Chromebooks are the way to go. 
And I can see LiveCode as the software for those single purpose custom built 
systems.

Kee Nethery

> On Nov 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Android apps run in an emulator on Chromebooks. I forgot to mention that the 
> emulator is only 32-bit so you have to build ARM 7 apps for Chromebook. I 
> haven't needed to build an x86 app, my tests have all run okay on three 
> different models.
> 
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>> On November 26, 2020 7:32:50 AM Richmond via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is a Chromebook app an Android app?
>> 
>> Or, to put things another way . . .
>> 
>> I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to
>> use on their Android
>> phones and tablets . . .
>> 
>> Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of
>> ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips
>> so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.
>> 
>> Sorry to be damp squish.
>> 
>>> On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Folks:
>>> My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
>>> learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just 
>>> want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
>>> Chromebook.
>>> 
>>> I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
>>> run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
>>> like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
>>> Chromebook apps.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> William A. Prothero
>>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>>> 
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RE: Chromebook apps?

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Haven't looked close at CBs but if it's x86 then an x86 build performance will 
be 8-10 times faster than an app running in an arm emulator. At least that's 
what I measured using an x86 Android tablet.

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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2020 12:19 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: J. Landman Gay
Subject: Re: Chromebook apps?

Android apps run in an emulator on Chromebooks. I forgot to mention that the 
emulator is only 32-bit so you have to build ARM 7 apps for Chromebook. 
I haven't needed to build an x86 app, my tests have all run okay on three 
different models.

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http://www.hyperactivesw.com On November 26, 2020 7:32:50 AM Richmond via 
use-livecode  wrote:

> Is a Chromebook app an Android app?
>
> Or, to put things another way . . .
>
> I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to 
> use on their Android phones and tablets . . .
>
> Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of 
> ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips so LiveCode builds for Android 
> wouldn't run on them.
>
> Sorry to be damp squish.
>
> On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> Folks:
>> My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary 
>> school learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary 
>> school. I just want to verify that this means I would be developing 
>> an Android app for a Chromebook.
>>
>> I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that 
>> will run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right 
>> now, but would like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to 
>> be aware of for Chromebook apps.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>>
>> William A. Prothero
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>>
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Re: Chromebook apps?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Android apps run in an emulator on Chromebooks. I forgot to mention that 
the emulator is only 32-bit so you have to build ARM 7 apps for Chromebook. 
I haven't needed to build an x86 app, my tests have all run okay on three 
different models.


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On November 26, 2020 7:32:50 AM Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Is a Chromebook app an Android app?

Or, to put things another way . . .

I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to
use on their Android
phones and tablets . . .

Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of
ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips
so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

Sorry to be damp squish.

On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Folks:
My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just 
want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
Chromebook.


I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
Chromebook apps.


Thanks,
Bill

William A. Prothero
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://earthlearningsolutions.org/


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Re: Chromebook apps?

[ELS Prothero via use-livecode]

Thanks for the perspective, Jacque,
Hmm, it could be venturing into a swamp for me, tho. Given the popularity of 
Chromebooks, it would be great if Livecode could be invested in support for 
them. In my own case, I need to be cautious about where I spend my effort. I’m 
a happily retired ex-educator and giving away any apps I make, so getting into 
an area with a lot of deployment idiosyncrasies may not be realistic.

Have a nice thanksgiving, all Yanks and Yank sympathizers! 

Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Nov 25, 2020, at 11:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Right, for Chromebooks you'd develop an Android app. I've been testing two 
> different client projects on Chromebooks. For the most part they run okay, 
> depending on the hardware. One of my apps in particular runs beautifully in 
> tablet mode, but if you rotate the screen to desktop mode it loses its window 
> coordinates and draws incorrectly. That's probably my fault, since the app is 
> locked to portrait orientation. In portrait mode, with fullscreenMode on, it 
> looks great and behaves well. If you launch it in desktop mode it opens in a 
> window the size of the original stack and works fine as long as you don't try 
> to resize the window.
> 
> 
> But appearance and behavior can vary depending on the Chromebook. I'm having 
> pretty good luck with my Lenovo but my client's Asus sometimes doesn't draw 
> the content quite right. I can't recall the details, something about color I 
> think. I'd love it if LC could look at Chromebook support at some point. It's 
> almost there already, and as you say, Chromebook support is almost mandatory 
> if you are developing for the education market. In fact, with so many schools 
> closed down and students working remotely, Chromebooks are in such high 
> demand that they've become harder to find. They're very popular. Our market 
> is college and university students and a lot of them use Chromebooks. When 
> they ask, we tell them the app may run on their Chromebook but we can't 
> provide support.
> 
> 
> On a more personal note, I love my Chromebook. They're very fast (they wake 
> from sleep before the lid is fully opened,) virtually immune to malware, 
> lightweight, inexpensive, and extremely portable. They've come a long way 
> from the time when they were basically just a big web browser.
> 
> 
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>> On November 25, 2020 11:54:54 PM prothero--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
>> learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just 
>> want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
>> Chromebook.
>> 
>> I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
>> run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
>> like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
>> Chromebook apps.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>> 
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Re: iOS notification app goes into background doesn't seem to work

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

Hi Mark - glad you got an explanation.

I am still getting some anomalies in these notifications, and more importantly 
from my point of view I’m seeing problems with receiving sensor messages when 
the app goes into the background. Elanor thinks there is a bug there (tho so 
far unconfirmed - 22999). 

I will let this dog (or dogs) sleep until I hear more from the mother ship.

Graham

> On 25 Nov 2020, at 02:16, Mark Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham, figured it out. If I replace the app, and while developing I do 
> that pretty frequently, the first “WillBecomeActive” does not get detected 
> because the app has not yet registered for notifications. So over 48 hours I 
> saw 3 such events and while I did not record the times I installed, if I 
> replaced it 3 times then this data would make perfect sense. I hope that is 
> clear, and if not feel free to ask me to explain it better. But I think the 
> data indicate that everything is working A-OK.
> 
> Sorry for any confusion I might have caused, but at least I got to the bottom 
> of my own problem :)  I’ll send Elanor an email to confirm and let her know. 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 1:00 AM, Mark Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Graham,
>> 
>> Nope, just checked and my quotes are not curly. Over a 48 hour period of 
>> testing, with multiple startups and shutdowns (33 in total, these were 
>> mostly in/out of background not actual exits and restarts) I only saw 3 
>> instances of a double shutdown notification 
>> (applicationWillResignActiveNotification) without an intervening startup 
>> (applicationDidBecomeActiveNotification) so it’s evidently a very small 
>> problem (10% ?). I’ll send the log to Elanor to let her know. From my 
>> perspective, not something I am going to fret about. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> An very timely and helpful update from Elanor at the mother ship. My 
>>> problems with mergNotify were there because the string representing the 
>>> specific notification “UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification” was in 
>>> curly quotes! I literally didn’t see this, and the script editor didn’t 
>>> report an error. It might have done something with the colorisation, but as 
>>> I’m partly colour blind I never take much notice of this aspect of scripts. 
>>> How the quotes got there is a mystery, as I thought I had simply copied 
>>> these lines of script from an earlier mail by Henry Lowe, but apparently 
>>> not. So, problem solved at the price of my red face.
>>> 
>>> The question about what being “in the background” actually means remains, 
>>> and I hope to have an answer for that soon. If I get any info I will send 
>>> it to the list as a new topic.
>>> 
>>> Elanor also said:
>>> 
 I don't know if the issue Mark is seeing is the same one but if you are 
 replying on the list just ask him to contact Support and I'll take a look 
 at his stack too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
 On 23 Nov 2020, at 15:23, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Thanks Mark
 
 Well, it does seem to be a bug, but is it in iOS or LC? It is weird that 
 you get inconsistent results. Mine are more consistent, but still wrong. I 
 plan to write to the mother ship and ask their opinion.
 
 I am also getting perhaps related inconsistencies in the use of 
 locationChanged messages to get GPS readings, or I think I am. It looks 
 like sometimes when the app goes into the background it switches off the 
 effect of
 mobileStartTrackingSensor "location"
 
 which a script can only do by calling mobileStopTrackingSensor.
 
 The apparent effect is that GPS readings just stop coming in, although 
 other activity (in my case, a stopwatch-like timer) continues without a 
 break. I am haunted by the idea that I’ve made some mistake in coding, of 
 course, but it I haven’t then I need to know somehow that the readings 
 have stopped and correct the situation before gaps appear in the record, 
 i.e. within about a second. Can’t do that if I’m not notified of the 
 switch to the background.
 
 I have tried to look at the iOS SDK documentation but have become 
 terminally confused - it seems to suggest that apps that go into the 
 background are suspended and ‘do not receive events’. If that’s so, how do 
 timer and navigation apps work? They still seem to be doing stuff even 
 while the user is using another app to read the news, make a phone call or 
 whatever. There must be a state between being active and just sitting in 
 RAM and doing nothing. What is that state called and how does one invoke 
 it?
 
 Over my head...
 
 Graham
 
> On 22 Nov 2020, at 13:30, Mark Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
> So, apparently not 100% accurate but here are the results of some late 
> hour testing yesterday (I was also 

Re: scrollbars of treeview widget

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Brian,

> Am 26.11.2020 um 15:26 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Very easy to implement.  

OK, good to hear, please add this already to LC9.6.2 RC2. 8-)

> I would suggest a setting for the width.  I think the intent was to mimic the 
> look of the mobile scroller which isn’t normally grabbed.

Hey, the desktop is still alive, and we ususally GRAB things here, mes amis! :-D


Best

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Re: scrollbars of treeview widget

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

Very easy to implement.  I would suggest a setting for the width.  I think the 
intent was to mimic the look of the mobile scroller which isn’t normally 
grabbed.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi friends,
> 
> FYI:
> I just created an enhancement request to make the scrollbars
> of the treeview widget a TAD wider, feel free to add a comment.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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scrollbars of treeview widget

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi friends,

FYI:
I just created an enhancement request to make the scrollbars
of the treeview widget a TAD wider, feel free to add a comment.



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Re: Chromebook apps?

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hello Richmond,

>>so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

LC supports both arm (armv7, arm64) and Intel (x86, x86_64) on Android.

Kind regards,
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 15:31, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Is a Chromebook app an Android app?
>
> Or, to put things another way . . .
>
> I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to
> use on their Android
> phones and tablets . . .
>
> Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of
> ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips
> so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.
>
> Sorry to be damp squish.
>
> On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:
> > Folks:
> > My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary
> school learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I
> just want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app
> for a Chromebook.
> >
> > I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that
> will run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but
> would like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of
> for Chromebook apps.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> > William A. Prothero
> > Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> > http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
> >
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Re: Chromebook apps?

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Is a Chromebook app an Android app?

Or, to put things another way . . .

I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to 
use on their Android

phones and tablets . . .

Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of 
ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips

so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

Sorry to be damp squish.

On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Folks:
My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just want 
to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a Chromebook.

I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will run 
Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would like to 
hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for Chromebook apps.

Thanks,
Bill

William A. Prothero
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://earthlearningsolutions.org/


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