Re: Can Xavvi generate sensible text output as well as code?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 5/17/23 5:38 PM, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote:

Let’s say I have a whole lot of input statements/info, some of which is generic 
but some of which varies according by user. Any thoughts on whether it might be 
possible to leverage Xavvi to process and combine that info into useful prose 
summaries for each user in a way that I can’t already do in Livecode - ie 
generative AI text rather than merging into template text)?


Well, I'd expect so since Bard can do it, if I understand what you mean. Here's my test. (Bard 
thinks it's code.)


My prompt: Make a list of 10 people with first and last names. Combine each one into this 
sentence: "Hello firstname, I'm exploring the family tree of your lastname relatives." 
Substitute "firstname" with each person's first name and substitute "lastname" with their last 
name. Return a list, one person per line.


Bard says:

Here is a list of 10 people with first and last names, along with the sentence "Hello 
firstname, I'm exploring the family tree of your lastname relatives." with each person's first 
and last name substituted in:

Code snippet

Name | Sentence
--- | 
John Smith | Hello John, I'm exploring the family tree of your Smith relatives.
Mary Jones | Hello Mary, I'm exploring the family tree of your Jones relatives.
Michael Brown | Hello Michael, I'm exploring the family tree of your Brown 
relatives.
David Williams | Hello David, I'm exploring the family tree of your Williams 
relatives.
Susan White | Hello Susan, I'm exploring the family tree of your White 
relatives.
James Green | Hello James, I'm exploring the family tree of your Green 
relatives.
Sarah Black | Hello Sarah, I'm exploring the family tree of your Black 
relatives.
Peter Brown | Hello Peter, I'm exploring the family tree of your Brown 
relatives.
Jessica Smith | Hello Jessica, I'm exploring the family tree of your Smith 
relatives.

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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Can Xavvi generate sensible text output as well as code?

[Terry Judd via use-livecode]

Let’s say I have a whole lot of input statements/info, some of which is generic 
but some of which varies according by user. Any thoughts on whether it might be 
possible to leverage Xavvi to process and combine that info into useful prose 
summaries for each user in a way that I can’t already do in Livecode - ie 
generative AI text rather than merging into template text)?

Terry

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Re: Android Push Messaging issue

[Dan Friedman via use-livecode]

Panos,

Thank you for the reply.  Yes, I have seen that lesson – many times.  I have 
everything in place, and I have downloaded and installed the json file.  It’s 
not that the app isn’t getting the push message, it’s that the device isn’t 
getting the message – at all!  If the app is or is not launched, the device 
isn’t getting the message.  Even though Google says it’s been successfully sent.

FYI… I have another app that is using FB and it’s working fine.

Thank you!
-Dan


From: use-livecode  on behalf of 
panagiotis m via use-livecode 
Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:21 PM
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: panagiotis m 
Subject: Re: Android Push Messaging issue
Hello Dan,

Have you seen this lesson?

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/1473964-how-do-i-use-push-notifications-with-android-in-livecode-9-6-5

What is your code that handles the notification?

Kind regards,
Panos

On Wed, 17 May 2023, 22:38 Dan Friedman via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I am stumped!I have an app that where push messaging is working fine
> using Legacy Cloud Messaging (and LC 9.6.2).  I have setup the new Firebase
> Cloud Messaging and downloaded the new “google-services.json” file and
> included it in my updated standalone (LC 10.0.0).  The app when launched on
> a device is registering a valid token.   When I use the Firebase Cloud
> Messaging test tool (and include the token from my app) it says a message
> was sent successfully but was not received on the device.   Any thoughts?
>
> FYI… Sending from our server gives the same result:  sent successfully,
> but no push to the physical device.
>
> If it matters, both Firebase Cloud Messaging API and the Legacy Cloud
> Messaging services are enabled (because the non-Firebase app is still being
> used in production).
>
> -Dan
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Re: Latest video -- integration of AI into script editor

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Good point. I want that too. Ditto with dynamic resizing. 

> On 17 May 2023, at 5:21 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I want the widgets and layout functions. I had to make a form yesterday with 
> lots of fields and while it isn't hard, it took 20 minutes to name everything 
> and align the labels and entry fields. If Xavvi can do that in a few seconds 
> it would save me time and my clients money. There's a lot of mindless 
> tinkering we do that isn't script-related.

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Re: Android Push Messaging issue

[panagiotis m via use-livecode]

Hello Dan,

Have you seen this lesson?

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/1473964-how-do-i-use-push-notifications-with-android-in-livecode-9-6-5

What is your code that handles the notification?

Kind regards,
Panos

On Wed, 17 May 2023, 22:38 Dan Friedman via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I am stumped!I have an app that where push messaging is working fine
> using Legacy Cloud Messaging (and LC 9.6.2).  I have setup the new Firebase
> Cloud Messaging and downloaded the new “google-services.json” file and
> included it in my updated standalone (LC 10.0.0).  The app when launched on
> a device is registering a valid token.   When I use the Firebase Cloud
> Messaging test tool (and include the token from my app) it says a message
> was sent successfully but was not received on the device.   Any thoughts?
>
> FYI… Sending from our server gives the same result:  sent successfully,
> but no push to the physical device.
>
> If it matters, both Firebase Cloud Messaging API and the Legacy Cloud
> Messaging services are enabled (because the non-Firebase app is still being
> used in production).
>
> -Dan
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Android Push Messaging issue

[Dan Friedman via use-livecode]

I am stumped!I have an app that where push messaging is working fine using 
Legacy Cloud Messaging (and LC 9.6.2).  I have setup the new Firebase Cloud 
Messaging and downloaded the new “google-services.json” file and included it in 
my updated standalone (LC 10.0.0).  The app when launched on a device is 
registering a valid token.   When I use the Firebase Cloud Messaging test tool 
(and include the token from my app) it says a message was sent successfully but 
was not received on the device.   Any thoughts?

FYI… Sending from our server gives the same result:  sent successfully, but no 
push to the physical device.

If it matters, both Firebase Cloud Messaging API and the Legacy Cloud Messaging 
services are enabled (because the non-Firebase app is still being used in 
production).

-Dan
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Re: Latest video -- integration of AI into script editor

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

Stephen wrote:
> we are providing an opt in to training feature where you can provide a thumbs 
> up or thumbs down to the code you have been supplied as well as give a 
> description on what was good or bad about it. 

And perhaps offer a way to accept code that we re-write so that it does work as 
we intended. This presumably improved code might then be used to 'educate' the 
LLM.

Jim Lambert

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Re: XAVVI and app/code copyright

[doc hawk via use-livecode]

paul provided,


>Just as livecode script you create now is copywritable, whether you write each 
>line 
>by hand or copy some code from a freely available library, the finished 
>application you
> make can be copyrighted by you. Same with Xavvi.

This is far less than clear user current US law . . .

It’s not my area of law, but I’ve been following case reports, and both the 
current status 
and what is likely to change are clear as mud.



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Re: XAVVI and app/code copyright

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

Xavvi generates livecode script as directed by you. Just as livecode 
script you create now is copywritable, whether you write each lie by 
hand or copy some code from a freely available library, the finished 
application you make can be copyrighted by you. Same with Xavvi.


On 5/17/2023 10:11 AM, Linda Miller via use-livecode wrote:

Will code and apps be copyright protected for the developer or LiveCode Ltd? 
Are we 100% sure of this answer? Is there a statement declaring this?

Linda
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Re: Latest video -- integration of AI into script editor

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I want the widgets and layout functions. I had to make a form yesterday 
with lots of fields and while it isn't hard, it took 20 minutes to name 
everything and align the labels and entry fields. If Xavvi can do that in a 
few seconds it would save me time and my clients money. There's a lot of 
mindless tinkering we do that isn't script-related.


I'm hoping Xavvi will also do dynamic resizing. Even with the Magic Palette 
it's difficult.

--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On May 17, 2023 4:35:52 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode 
 wrote:


I just watched the latest LC video showing how AI will be integrated into 
Xavvi/LC. https://livecode.com/xavvi/?updates/#tabbed-section 
 (note: the URL is not 
an error, that is where the new video is parked).


I hadn’t seen how this was going to be done before but  it’s a great UI 
with lot of useful options. This will completely transform how we write 
(and document) our code in the future. It looks like LC has give a lot of 
thought to this and the UI is extremely well done. If you haven’t backed 
the campaign so far I’d give this short 4 minute video a watch and be 
prepared to be blown away.


Thanks LC.

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XAVVI and app/code copyright

[Linda Miller via use-livecode]

Will code and apps be copyright protected for the developer or LiveCode Ltd? 
Are we 100% sure of this answer? Is there a statement declaring this?

Linda
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Latest video -- integration of AI into script editor

[Steven Crighton via use-livecode]

Hi Mark

I’m really pleased to hear you enjoyed the video. What I would say is our 
testing so far has been extremely impressive, it was the inspiration to make 
that video. But you’re right, AI won’t get the script right every time and we 
have to handle that carefully. If the script that comes back won’t compile then 
Xavvi will intervene to make sure you are not actually accepting code that 
won’t run. However there may be instances where it supplies code that does 
compile but is still not what you hoped for, in the first instance we are 
providing an opt in to training feature where you can provide a thumbs up or 
thumbs down to the code you have been supplied as well as give a description on 
what was good or bad about it. Additionally there will always be options to 
accept or decline the result and try again with a slightly tweaked prompt. I 
hope this helps. 

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Re: Latest video -- integration of AI into script editor

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Having just watched the latest campaign video (showing the integration of AI 
into Xavvi/LC — btw, I highly recommend giving this a watch) I have a question 
for LC. It’s likely that now (and perhaps for the foreseeable future) the AI 
will make coding and documentation errors in its recommendations. Has any 
thought been given as to how we capture these errors from the community (and 
fix them) so they can be fed back into the AI as training to improve the 
product? And, if such a mechanism will exist, might it also be applied to the 
current documentation (I’m thinking mostly of the dictionary) to improve that 
as well?

Thanks
Mark


> On 17 May 2023, at 10:33 am, Mark Smith  wrote:
> 
> I just watched the latest LC video showing how AI will be integrated into 
> Xavvi/LC. https://livecode.com/xavvi/?updates/#tabbed-section 
>  (note: the URL is not 
> an error, that is where the new video is parked). 
> 
> I hadn’t seen how this was going to be done before but  it’s a great UI with 
> lot of useful options. This will completely transform how we write (and 
> document) our code in the future. It looks like LC has give a lot of thought 
> to this and the UI is extremely well done. If you haven’t backed the campaign 
> so far I’d give this short 4 minute video a watch and be prepared to be blown 
> away. 
> 
> Thanks LC. 
>  

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Latest video -- integration of AI into script editor

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

I just watched the latest LC video showing how AI will be integrated into 
Xavvi/LC. https://livecode.com/xavvi/?updates/#tabbed-section 
 (note: the URL is not an 
error, that is where the new video is parked). 

I hadn’t seen how this was going to be done before but  it’s a great UI with 
lot of useful options. This will completely transform how we write (and 
document) our code in the future. It looks like LC has give a lot of thought to 
this and the UI is extremely well done. If you haven’t backed the campaign so 
far I’d give this short 4 minute video a watch and be prepared to be blown 
away. 

Thanks LC. 
 
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