Re: [OT] The Fall of the British Empire???

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Actually Lingua Franca was a pidgin developed by slavers and pirates to
communicate.

English is not a pidgin, as it is the end result of a creolisation between
Anglo-Saxon and Norman French.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, 16:45 Craig Newman via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> “... the bulk of Europe used French as the common language.”
>
> That is where the term “Lingua Franca” came from. Before that in Europe,
> which was the center of the universe, learned people used Latin. Just ask
> Newton or any cleric.
>
> English took over when the world got smaller. The US was the "bomb" in
> 1945, (can’t wait to see how that comes back) and ten years later consumed
> nearly a third of the planets energy. That plus Rock and Roll made English
> the only language that made sense.
>
> Still does.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Nov 20, 2023, at 4:29 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >  the bulk of Europe used French as the common language.
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Re: [OT] The Fall of the British Empire???

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Oh, I have no illusions re Empires at the moment: there is one generally
good one (USA) , and 2 pretty bad ones: C and R.

I hope that the good one will finally pull the teeth of the bad ones, and
that will sufficiently weaken the good one that it will calm down a bit.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023, 23:40 Craig Newman via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Empires these days are strictly economic. In fact, it was always that way.
>
> Forget California, which has the 6th largest GDP in the world. Texas and
> New York combined would also come in at #6, and just beat GB.
>
> England was #1 until 1916, when guess who took over.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Nov 17, 2023, at 2:21 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > The English think so. After all:  Wales, Scotland, N Ireland, do appear
> to
> > constitute an Empire if you look at them from isolationist, Brexitland.
> >
> > Ask Boris Johnson: if you stand behind him at waist height you'll recieve
> > an answer in suitably rumbling Churchillian terms.
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2023, 19:21 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Excerpt from The Livecode Team newsletter:
> >>
> >> Several members of our team have been enjoying the Empire podcast
> recently
> >> with William Dalrymple and Anita Anand. This explores how empires rise,
> why
> >> they fall and how they have shaped the world around us today. The series
> >> covers THE RISE AND FALL OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE as well as the Ottoman
> >> Empire, with episodes around iconic events such as the fall of
> >> Constantinople and the Indian Mutiny among many others.
> >>
> >> When exactly did the British Empire fall?? I thought it was still a
> thing?
> >>
> >> Bob S
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Re: [OT] The Fall of the British Empire???

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

The English think so. After all:  Wales, Scotland, N Ireland, do appear to
constitute an Empire if you look at them from isolationist, Brexitland.

Ask Boris Johnson: if you stand behind him at waist height you'll recieve
an answer in suitably rumbling Churchillian terms.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023, 19:21 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Excerpt from The Livecode Team newsletter:
>
> Several members of our team have been enjoying the Empire podcast recently
> with William Dalrymple and Anita Anand. This explores how empires rise, why
> they fall and how they have shaped the world around us today. The series
> covers THE RISE AND FALL OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE as well as the Ottoman
> Empire, with episodes around iconic events such as the fall of
> Constantinople and the Indian Mutiny among many others.
>
> When exactly did the British Empire fall?? I thought it was still a thing?
>
> Bob S
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Re: Filter with wildcards

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I think that matchText is what you are looking for.

I have a proof stack which I shall upload to the forums, as obviously 
this is not possible here:


https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=38698

Best, Richmond Mathewson.

On 30.10.23 19:17, David Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,

I am doing the above and struggling with an oddity that I can’t find guidance 
on on Livecode or wider wildcard stuff

A simple example is I am searching text messages for 'with you' or 'with u’

so I use the wildcard form

*with [you,u]*

That finds all examples of both just fine.  However, it also finds ‘with 
unlimited cheese’ and 'with us’, ‘with yours’ etc.  so I want a space after 
both u

When I put two spaces inside the square brackets after each string, the search 
still works but spaces seem to be ignored (so still finds the above resamples I 
don’t want).

If I put a single space after the brackets the first bracketed string is 
ignored and the filter only finds “with u “

Hope someone can help me stop pulling my baffled face

Cheers

David Glasgow


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Re: Filter with wildcards

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Oddly enough a matchChunk expression with "with you$" pulls out all the 
'with you' stuff and excludes this sort of thing: 'with youthful 
naivety' . . . which is marvellous


But a matchChunk expression with "with u$" catches nothing!

On 30.10.23 20:11, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:

Have not played with a method of keeping it all in one line. But can you filter 
twice, storing the first result and then running it again?

Craig


On Oct 30, 2023, at 1:17 PM, David Glasgow via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi folks,

I am doing the above and struggling with an oddity that I can’t find guidance 
on on Livecode or wider wildcard stuff

A simple example is I am searching text messages for 'with you' or 'with u’

so I use the wildcard form

*with [you,u]*

That finds all examples of both just fine.  However, it also finds ‘with 
unlimited cheese’ and 'with us’, ‘with yours’ etc.  so I want a space after 
both u

When I put two spaces inside the square brackets after each string, the search 
still works but spaces seem to be ignored (so still finds the above resamples I 
don’t want).

If I put a single space after the brackets the first bracketed string is 
ignored and the filter only finds “with u “

Hope someone can help me stop pulling my baffled face

Cheers

David Glasgow


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Re: Filter with wildcards

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

OK: well I had a bash with a set like this:

with unlimited cheese

with you

with u

with udders clagged with glaur

with youthful naivety

and your filter grabbed all of them. :(

I tried this:

with"with [you, u,]*"

and got the same.

On reading in the dictionary I found this:

filtertVar with"[az]*"-- tVar contains all property names beginning with 
a or z


and the problematic phrase is 'beginning with'.

On 30.10.23 19:17, David Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,

I am doing the above and struggling with an oddity that I can’t find guidance 
on on Livecode or wider wildcard stuff

A simple example is I am searching text messages for 'with you' or 'with u’

so I use the wildcard form

*with [you,u]*

That finds all examples of both just fine.  However, it also finds ‘with 
unlimited cheese’ and 'with us’, ‘with yours’ etc.  so I want a space after 
both u

When I put two spaces inside the square brackets after each string, the search 
still works but spaces seem to be ignored (so still finds the above resamples I 
don’t want).

If I put a single space after the brackets the first bracketed string is 
ignored and the filter only finds “with u “

Hope someone can help me stop pulling my baffled face

Cheers

David Glasgow


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Re: drawingSvgCompileIcon(pIconName) always BLACK

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Thank you very much.

Best, Richmond.

On 25.10.23 17:15, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:

This code is MIT license, so freely usable.  It does rely on code from HQ, but 
should be usable on either the open source or commercial versions.

Brian Milby
br...@milby7.com


On Oct 25, 2023, at 4:36 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I should be grateful if you could explain the licensing on your work.

Best, Richmond.


On 25.10.23 3:44, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
Well, it sure took me a while to get around to this.  I guess better late
than never though.  Not sure where the best place to put it, so I just
added it to my lc-misc repo on GitHub.  You can find the code here:
https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-misc/tree/master/IconDrawingLibrary

Thanks,
Brian

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 3:20 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hi Brian,


Am 06.04.2022 um 21:18 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

I guess I need to make an update to this library :)

yo, that would be cool! :-)


Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 6, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-06 18:16, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,
so sorry, looks like I completely f. up here.
Sorry for the confusion, not may day...
See:
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23665>

Hehe - no worries.

So in answer to your original query about wanting to be able to color

the icons - the drawing library supports the 'currentColor' attribute in
SVG - and this is tied to the 'backgroundColor' property of the image
object the drawing is set on.

It would only take a small tweak to Brian's extension to make this work

- adding `fill="currentColor"` to the path node it generates.

Brian's extension works by fetching the path data from the IconSVG

library, wrapping it in the necessary SVG XML, and then compiling it with
drawingSvgCompile.

Irksomely, there does not seem to be any support for marking colors in

SVGs as 'currentColor' in any SVG editor we've come across (unless its
deeply buried in it). So one strategy there is making sure the colors you
want to be configurable in the SVG are set to a known unlikely random color
(e.g. #ABCDEF), exporting as SVG XML from the editor and then just doing a
global find/replace of (e.g.) #ABCDEF with currentColor.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Best

Klaus

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Re: drawingSvgCompileIcon(pIconName) always BLACK

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I should be grateful if you could explain the licensing on your work.

Best, Richmond.

On 25.10.23 3:44, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:

Well, it sure took me a while to get around to this.  I guess better late
than never though.  Not sure where the best place to put it, so I just
added it to my lc-misc repo on GitHub.  You can find the code here:
https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-misc/tree/master/IconDrawingLibrary

Thanks,
Brian

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 3:20 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hi Brian,


Am 06.04.2022 um 21:18 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

I guess I need to make an update to this library :)

yo, that would be cool! :-)


Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 6, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-06 18:16, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,
so sorry, looks like I completely f. up here.
Sorry for the confusion, not may day...
See:
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23665>

Hehe - no worries.

So in answer to your original query about wanting to be able to color

the icons - the drawing library supports the 'currentColor' attribute in
SVG - and this is tied to the 'backgroundColor' property of the image
object the drawing is set on.

It would only take a small tweak to Brian's extension to make this work

- adding `fill="currentColor"` to the path node it generates.

Brian's extension works by fetching the path data from the IconSVG

library, wrapping it in the necessary SVG XML, and then compiling it with
drawingSvgCompile.

Irksomely, there does not seem to be any support for marking colors in

SVGs as 'currentColor' in any SVG editor we've come across (unless its
deeply buried in it). So one strategy there is making sure the colors you
want to be configurable in the SVG are set to a known unlikely random color
(e.g. #ABCDEF), exporting as SVG XML from the editor and then just doing a
global find/replace of (e.g.) #ABCDEF with currentColor.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Best

Klaus

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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I have successfully run a build of my 'Devawriter Pro' built with LC 9.6.3
Open Source on an early beta of MacOS 14.

My DWPro builds contain NONE of the inclusions.

Your mileage may vary.

Best, Richmond.

On Fri, 29 Sept 2023, 15:13 Geoff Canyon via use-livecode, <
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> Confirming that 9.6.9 dies immediately on launch for me.
>
> I have a standalone I built with one of the 9.6.x builds, and that doesn't
> die (at least not immediately).
>
> gc
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 7:23 AM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
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>
> > I've not tested personally, but I have been told that STANDALONEs build
> > on 9.6.9 work on Sonoma.
> >
> > Can any one running Sonoma test confirm this? (Perhaps again?)
> >
> >
> > On 9/28/2023 10:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give
> me
> > the “LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma
> v14.0
> > on my Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Not as far as I can tell: currently upgrading to the 14.1 beta release, 
and if that fails I have to spend "a dirty weekend" 'degrading' to MacOS 
13 Ventura and then, on the basis of my Time Machine backup, 'putting 
all the pieces together again'.



Best [or, in the light of Apple's non-backwardly-compatible thing': 
Worst], Richmond.


On 29.09.23 5:51, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Ok, I guess I’ve been out to Lunch. A review of the list revealed that V9.6.10 
works. Downloaded it and indeed it does work. Is that the whole story? Will the 
older Community versions not work in Sonoma forevermore?

Roger



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Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me the 
“LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma v14.0 on my 
Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.

Thanks,

Roger


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Re: Alternate key commands in LC ????

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

As  I use computers running Linux and MacOS, my Macs are set up so the
roles of the CMD and CTRL keys are reversed.

It will be interesting to see if it affects these alternate key commands
with the IDE.

On Tue, 19 Sept 2023, 23:42 Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode, <
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> Reading this article about the MacOS copy and paste:
> https://tidbits.com/2016/06/11/os-x-hidden-treasures-copy-and-paste/
>
> It mentions the (secret) OS X alternate clipboard — kill and yank — that
> uses control-K to kill (cut) and control-Y to yank (paste) in some MacOS
> apps. Comes from the Emacs text editor (that was a lng time ago).
>
> I tried it in an LC field and discovered some unknowns-to-me:
>
> Control-K does kill (cut) selected text
> Control-Y does not seem to do anything—does not yank (paste)
>   (I haven’t yet figured out how to yank-paste killed-cut text)
> Control-K without a selection but the cursor placed within a line of text
> kills (cuts) all the text after the cursor/insertion point
>
> Put the cursor somewhere within a line/paragraph of text and Control-A
> moves the cursor to the beginning of the paragraph
> Control-E moves the cursor to the end of the paragraph
> Control-F moves the cursor one character to the right
>
> Control-O does a weird thing of adding a carriage return after the cursor
> and simultaneously moves the cursor to the left one character, so you can
> easily end up with something like:
>
> c
> h
> a
> r
> a
> c
> t
> e
> r
>
> Maybe there’s more? Windows?
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
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Re: Pasting text and images together?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

As far as I know image data cannot be pasted into LC.

I just tried pasting a banal image of a cat from an Ecosia search into a 
stack directly, and into an image, to no avail.


Best, Richmond.

On 30.08.23 19:35, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:

 From a web browser, or from programs like Word or (Apple) Notes, it is 
possible to copy to the clipboard a single selection that includes both text 
and images.
Is there any way to paste all of this information to LiveCode—for example, 
placing the text in fields and the imageData in image objects, or showing 
everything in one field by setting the imageSource of some characters in that 
field?
After having copied such a collection of text and image information, the keys 
to the fullClipboardData seem only to include text and styled text options, 
with no indication of the images that are included on the clipboard.

David Epstein
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Re: Merging PDF pages

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Humph . . . importing documents at images and then knitting them 
together . . . be aware that you will lose one the most valuable things 
about a PDF document: the embedded text layer.


Richmond.

On 25.08.23 16:39, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:

Hmmm.

Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read 
them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those 
documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.

Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.

Craig


On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi.

Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:

on mouseUp

get the desktop folder

open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"

repeat with x = 1 to 3

print card x

end repeat

close printing

end mouseUp



And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.



Craig



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It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use 
livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without 
using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?

Thanks.

~Roger


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Re: How to search this list

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, I am a keysDown 'fan', so why not just explain what your problem 
is . . .


Richmond Mathewson

On 19.08.23 21:32, FRED MOYER via use-livecode wrote:

It’s been a long time since I’ve used this list. I’m puzzled -- it says I can 
search the archives for this list at
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com 
<http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>

If I search for something that I know is there (like “CharIndex” which was in 
some recent posts) it doesn’t find anything.

In particular, I’m looking for information about keysdown — again no hits in 
that google search site.

Thanks for your help.

Fred Moyer





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Re: JSON

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

This has recently been explored across on the forums where I managed to
expose my full level of ignorance on the subject.

Best, Richmond.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023, 07:59 Tore Nilsen via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will
> turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
>
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
>
> > 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> >
> > I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old
> stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be
> something faster about someplace. Ideas?
> >
> > Dar
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Re: Field highlited

[Richmond via use-livecode]

It is really very easy to do this sort of thing:

set the hilitecolor of fld "f1" to red

Best, Richmond.

On 14.07.23 23:39, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

On 7/14/23 11:14 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:

BTW, is there a way of determining the default highlight colour?


The dictionary says: "By default, the global hiliteColor property is 
set to the system highlight color."


I'd guess yours is blue. That's pretty standard on Mac.




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Re: Field highlited

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I just did this:

on mouseLeave
   put the selectedText of fld "f1" into fld "f2"
end mouseLeave

you can then do whatever you want with your button on the basis of the 
contents of fld "f2"


Best, Richmond.

On 13.07.23 20:20, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Correction:

on openField
put long id of the target into pField
if the savedChunk of pField is not empty then
   put the savedChunk of pField into tSelection
   select tSelection
Set the savedChunk of pField to empty
end if
pass openField
end openField



On Jul 13, 2023, at 10:12 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:


Untested

This in a frontScript:

on openField
   put long id of the target into pField
   set the selection to the savedChunk of pField — if you want to restore the 
last selection
   Set the savedChunk of pField to empty
   pass openField
end openField

on exitField
   put the long id of the target into pField
   set the savedChunk of pField to the selectedChunk
   pass exitField
end exitField

Bob S



On Jul 13, 2023, at 9:50 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Folks,
A possible strategy is to change the color of a line in a field, when it is selected. 
There would need to be a script that could simply returns the content of a line of a 
specified color, changes the color to "unselected", or whatever your need 
requires. You could have multiple lines selected, and other variations as needed.

Just thinking.
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara


On Jul 13, 2023, at 9:06 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Paul.

I think that Bob S. is correct. The change in focus is sort of built into the 
engine, and a field cannot “remember” such a thing.

A fun kludge would be to create one or more overlays, however you like those to 
look, and apply them to the field of interest. These overlays can be managed in 
terms of their rects, depending on the formatted properties of the hilted line 
or lines. They can be shown and hidden as well.

I am struggling not to do this just for fun. So you do it, because I bet that 
the team has bigger fish to fry.

Craig


On Jul 13, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
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I do not see how that could work. In Windows, buttons can have the focus, which 
means a field would always lose it.

What I do when I need something like this is I save the selection (or 
selectedChunk or some such thing) as a property of the field upon exitField. 
You could even put that in a frontScript and reference the target. Then in the 
field script re-select the text upon enterField.

Bob S



On Jul 12, 2023, at 3:21 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I have a LC9 field object - just a scrolling field (not a list field) with a 
lot of text. The user selects some text and then click a button near the field. 
I want the selection to remain highlighted, but when you click outside the 
field the highlight goes away.

Any simple solutions to this. Some property I am just blanking on? In another app, I've 
used the "selectionChanged" message to (1) set the background color of the 
selection to a highlight color and store the start and end characters as custom 
properties of the field. I'm hoping there is an easier way I am just missing.

OR

There should be a feature enhancement: set the preserveHighlight of field X to 
true
That keeps the highlighted selection unless or until you make a new one in that 
field


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Re: Writing to Mac Support folder

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

When I download an app onto my Mac Mini, on opening it for the first time
it often asks me for permission to access the desktop/document/whatever
folder.

I assume that code to make an app ask for permissions to be granted has to
be entered somewhere ['preOpenStack' ???] by the developer.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023, 09:34 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This is what Apple says:
>
> "If you distribute your macOS app through the App Store, you must enable
> App Sandbox. If you notarize your macOS app to distribute it outside of the
> App Store, you must enable hardened runtime and, optionally, can also
> enable App Sandbox."
> https://help.apple.com/xcode/mac/current/#/devf87a2ac8f
>
>
> What os does the user run who has the problems to run the app? Did he
> allow to run programs from outside the App Store?
>
> If you don't mind, you can send me your app and i will try it here.
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
> > Am 29.06.2023 um 22:50 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Short version: how do I bypass Gatekeeper to write a prefs file?
> >
> > I need to save a file in ~/Library/Application Support/myAppFolder/. Am
> I correct that I need to sandbox the app before I can write a file there?
> >
> > I read an LC lesson that said no special entitlements are required to
> create an app folder and a file. I can't test it myself because I already
> have full access.
> >
> > If this is correct so far, then do I just need to provide the sandbox
> entitlement and nothing else?
> >
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Re: The Backdrop's Purpose In Life

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Note that the LC backdrop with LC 9.6.3 community works just fine with 
MacOS Ventura.


Kisses, Richmond.

On 27.05.23 6:58, panagiotis m via use-livecode wrote:

Hello all,

Note that the LC backdrop does not work on MacOS Ventura.

Cheers,
Panos

On Fri, 26 May 2023, 22:23 J. Landman Gay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


On 5/26/23 1:14 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Bob Sneidar wrote:

  > HA! I just figured out what the purpose of the backdrop is!
  > If you have multiple LC windows open and you tab to another
  > app's window, then tab back to the LC window, ONLY that LC
  > window will appear in the foreground. With Backdrop on, ALL
  > the LC windows will become visible when you tab to any LC
  > window.

The OS vendors help with that too:

Windows: Shift-click Taskbar icon -> "Bring All Windows Forward"

macOS:   Window menu -> Bring All to Front


Clicking the icon in the Mac Dock also brings all windows forward.
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Re: Android and USB footswitch

[Richmond via use-livecode]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Optical-Computer-Keyboard-Fortnite-Transcription/dp/B08QZ4H31C/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2WJV976H8HKK1&keywords=usb+foot+pedal&qid=1685090338&sprefix=USb+foot+pedal%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-4

On 25.05.23 18:22, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi friends,

I'm still an active musician (bass guitar) and am currently playing in four 
bands.

Nowadays bulky music stands on stage are OUT and tablets are IN!
So I am considering to create a little app for myself to display PDF leadsheets
(= lyrics and chord symbols) on an Andorid tablet, which I still have to buy. 
:-)

There are some USB footswitches, and I would like to use one of them to browse
through the (multipage) PDFs (next page, previous page).

Anyone knows if these switches will act like an "external keyboard", means if 
they
will just send any RAWKEY that I could catch in LC?
Or will I need something created with LCB to do so?

Thanks for any hint!

P.S.
Since PDFs are not accessible via "mobilepickmedia" are there ANY other ways to 
add
some PDFs later without having to download them from some URL?


Best

Klaus
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
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Re: Am I using the best mail client?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

We could transform this thread into a quite a spat as to the advantages of
the Use-List versus the Forums, but as Thee, Thee, Thee and Me are all so
fixed in our views it would only end in verbal bloodshed it best be let
alone: Thee with They words, and Me with My pictures! Let us attempt (at
the very least) some semblance of civilised discourse by leaving the topic
untouched and, with a nod of the head, a wink, and a smile  agreeing to
disagree.

Better be like that (however Thou feelest about the Subjunctive - and the
use of quasi-Germanic capitalisation) and listen, read, and learn from each
other than come to blows over something that will tarnish our shades when,
in time to come, we are mouldering in our sepulchres.

And, as to email clients, as my Granny said (or should have if my memory is
creative), "Taste is all in the mouth."

And, remember, only a Scotsman can produce English like that, or certainly
since the death of Samuel Johnson.

Yours, aye, Richmond Mathewson.

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> Thank you all.
>
> I will stick with the Mac client.
>
> The reason I like the forums better is what I see as a far more helpful
> UI. We all know how it works.
>
> Enough said of this.
>
> Craig
>
> > On May 11, 2023, at 2:02 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I use Betterbird, an improved split off from Thunderbird.
> >
> > On Thu, 11 May 2023, 20:37 Phil Davis via use-livecode, <
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> >
> >> Thunderbird for me as well, for all the reasons Jacque stated.
> >>
> >> Phil Davis
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/11/23 10:27 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> I use Thunderbird. Like Matthias, I set up a rule to move list mail
> >>> into a subfolder where I can sort by date, author,, subject, or any
> >>> other attribute. It supportsl threading. There are several layouts you
> >>> can use depending on how you like to organize and view mail. You can
> >>> color-code emails automatically on arrival, or manually if you want to
> >>> mark one for special reasons. You can drag-drop mail from one folder
> >>> to another even across accounts.
> >>>
> >>> There are a lot of options so you can customize it however you want.
> >>>
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> >>> On May 11, 2023 11:33:31 AM Craig Newman via use-livecode
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> >>>> Since I got real help here, and not on the forum(hmph), I am
> >>>> wondering if the eMail client I am using is one reason I do not
> >>>> prefer this venue.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am using the native Mac “Mail’ client. Are there much better ones?
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Re: Am I using the best mail client?

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I use Betterbird, an improved split off from Thunderbird.

On Thu, 11 May 2023, 20:37 Phil Davis via use-livecode, <
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> Thunderbird for me as well, for all the reasons Jacque stated.
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> On 5/11/23 10:27 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> > I use Thunderbird. Like Matthias, I set up a rule to move list mail
> > into a subfolder where I can sort by date, author,, subject, or any
> > other attribute. It supportsl threading. There are several layouts you
> > can use depending on how you like to organize and view mail. You can
> > color-code emails automatically on arrival, or manually if you want to
> > mark one for special reasons. You can drag-drop mail from one folder
> > to another even across accounts.
> >
> > There are a lot of options so you can customize it however you want.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> > On May 11, 2023 11:33:31 AM Craig Newman via use-livecode
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Since I got real help here, and not on the forum(hmph), I am
> >> wondering if the eMail client I am using is one reason I do not
> >> prefer this venue.
> >>
> >> I am using the native Mac “Mail’ client. Are there much better ones?
> >>
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Re: Default cursor

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Is that a fact?

Surely when someone offers help it seems churlish to set conditions.

On 7.05.23 2:08, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

On 5/6/23 4:51 PM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
AND, there (on the forums) I have found a way to get things to do 
what you want.


Please reply here, I have chosen my preferred venue. Images and 
downloads are unnecessary.




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Re: Default cursor

[Richmond via use-livecode]

AND, there (on the forums) I have found a way to get things to do what 
you want.


On 7.05.23 0:05, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
I'm working on a stack that needs a default cursor. Sometimes it sets 
the cursor to none, but after that I can't get it back. Could someone 
verify?


Do this in the message box:

   set the defaultCursor to hand 
   set the cursor to none; wait 1 second; set the cursor to hand

It doesn't come back. I also tried this:

   set the cursor to none; wait 1 second; set the cursor to the 
defaultcursor


Anyone have a workaround? (To get the regular cursor back after 
testing, "set the defaultcursor to empty".) 


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Re: Default cursor

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Sorry, Jacque: taking this across to the forums as want pictures and 
whatnot.


Love, Richmond.

On 7.05.23 0:05, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
I'm working on a stack that needs a default cursor. Sometimes it sets 
the cursor to none, but after that I can't get it back. Could someone 
verify?


Do this in the message box:

   set the defaultCursor to hand 
   set the cursor to none; wait 1 second; set the cursor to hand

It doesn't come back. I also tried this:

   set the cursor to none; wait 1 second; set the cursor to the 
defaultcursor


Anyone have a workaround? (To get the regular cursor back after 
testing, "set the defaultcursor to empty".)




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Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami

[Richmond via use-livecode]

No: that article is about Yoginathaswami: another monk at that monastery.

Richmond.

On 28.12.22 23:33, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:

I still have the first copy of MacUser magazine, and right there was an ad
titled "Monks with Macs" and swami was right there.
I'm searching for that photo, in the meantime here's a more recent short
article about Swami:

https://blog.autogrow.com/the-monks-the-monastery-and-the-macbook-pro


--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org


On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 3:32 PM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I worked with Swami a few times -- he liked Navigator, so of course I think
he was awesome :-)

It's always sad to hear of someone passing. The memories they leave behind
live on in all of us.
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Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I am sad to hear that Brahmanathaswami has disbodied: I hope that he 
will either merge with the Brahmajyoti or enjoy a full life in the 
Vaikuntha-lokas. He was a wonderful fellow who, although I only ever met 
him virtually: once, memorably with my younger son via Skype from 
London, was a model of non-sectarianism that filled me with awe. OmTat 
Sat, SivaKatir, Brahmanatha Swami.


Jaya Siva, Jaya Mahadeva.

Richmond.

On 25.12.22 19:00, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:

Dear LiveCoders,

Many of you here remember Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami (some of you met him as 
Sannyasin Sivakatirswami many years ago). Swami has always been a champion for 
LiveCode and together with other other monks in Kaua’i Hindu Monastery built 
what is probably the largest LiveCode-backed website available on the net. He’s 
been a constant fixture here on the list for many years and many here been at 
some time or another worked with him on various projects. I’m sad to say that 
Brahmanathaswami passed away this week on Hawaii. His life has been full of joy 
among his beloved monks in a paradise Island full of love and sunshine.

I’ve worked with him there on and off for the best part of maybe 18 years 
(we’re not exactly sure when I started), he’s been a great friend and together 
we built many wondrous things with LiveCode. I’ll forever cherish those years, 
and I hope you all remember him fondly today as well.

Kind regards
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Being all Christmassy, will prob have a bash with your latest build on the
27th.

Best, Richmond.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022, 13:24 Simon Knight via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Matthias,
>
> Thank you for your offer.
>
> I've conducted some more testing and it seems that the issue I am seeing
> may not be isolated to just Ventura.  Unfortunately not having a copy makes
> it difficult to report on what is occuring, so I will just describe what I
> see in Livecode 9.6.8 running on Big Sur.
>
> Before starting I remove Livecode from both Contacts and Calendar in the
> Privacy Pane using two calls to tccutils.  With the library file installed
> and my stack file open in livecode I make the request for Calendar data.
> The system should present two dialog boxes requesting permission to access
> first Contacts then Calendar.  When run in the IDE only one gets presented
> followed by a second stating that access to Calendar data is denied.  This
> should mean that Livecode is listed in the Privacy Pane but it is not.
> This issue may be slightly different to what was being reported to me about
> Ventura.
>
> I have raised a rambling bug report
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24054 <
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24054> and all the files are
> attached to this report.  For tests in the IDE I suggest the version of the
> stack dated 24th dec 2022 and version 1.1.54 of the library.  The built
> versions use a slightly earlier version of the stack file but the
> differences are minor.
>
> Link to the form thread :
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=37540 <
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=37540>  beware that the
> URLs to Dropbox do work but Dropbox mangles the zips.  It is better to get
> the files via the bug report.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
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Re: Lock screen and animated gif

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Try 'without messages'.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, 13:26 jbv via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi list,
> I have a script that modifies line by line the color
> and textstyle of some words in a field that can be up
> to 500 lines long.
> I am using "lock screen" to speed up things.
> But at the same time I have a spinning animated gif
> to tell end users to wait until the modification is
> done.
> The problem is that "lock screen" freezes everything
> and the gif stops spinning.
> Is there a workaround for using "lock screen" and an
> animated gif simultaneously ?
>
> Thank you in advance.
> jbv
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Re: [OT] Upgrade to Monterey from Big Sur

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

You will have your own reasons for wanting to move to Big Sur and not up to
MacOS 13.

But, from my own experience after Catalina my experience with MacOS was
distinctly off-colour unti I hit MacOS 13, which, once you overlook the way
they mucked up the System Settings thing, does feel a whole lot more robust
that the beta-quality stuff Apple lobbed ourway after Catalina.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022, 21:09 Ralph DiMola via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Is it possible for me to upgrade my M1 Mac mini Big Sur to Monterey? I did
> some searches but I can't find anything. Software update only lists Ventura
> as an upgrade option.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
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Re: Script Compiler

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I am beginning to worry, as over here in Bulgaria, on 2 November it was 
28 degrees centigrade at 3pm; far from

normal - summer has just not ended yet - I begin to wonder if it ever will.

Richmond.

On 2.11.22 19:51, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

Or in my case 5 o'clock somewhere

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Sean Cole via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2022 12:54 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Sean Cole
Subject: Re: Script Compiler

It's always Summer somewhere ;D

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*


On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 at 16:43, Glen Bojsza via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I haven't been following things for a few months and the Script
Compiler beta was coming out sometime in the summer.

Has this happened?

Is there any delivery date for it?

regards,

Glen
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I have been using 9.6.3 and 8.1.10 through all the beta versions of Mac OS
13, and there was a minor blip 3 betas back, and I sent a report about it
to Apple.

Since then, as far as I can tell, both of those versions work like a charm.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022, 21:03 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
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> I just opened LC 10 on Ventura with no problem
>
> Cheers
> Roger
>
> > On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > the topic says it all
> >
> > Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> > Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
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Re: Control or right click to show popup menu

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Why does this make me have a funny feeling you are still using a 
one-button mouse on a Macintosh?


Certainly, I would stick with

on mouseDown  MN
  if MN is 3 then . . .

Best, Richmond.

On 1.10.22 11:17, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:

Hi,

I want to control or right click on a line of text in a field to show a popup 
menu. So I’ve set the popup menu button to the loc of the mouse and it’s 
showing in place when the  controlKey is down.

However, the menu items won’t show  while the control key is also down.

Maybe I’m doing this wrong. In my application, how do make this work:  the user 
holds down the control key or right click  to do editing via choices provided 
by some kind of popup menu? Both Mac and Windows.

Thanks,
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Re: System Time Zone

[Richmond via use-livecode]

https://use-livecode.runrev.narkive.com/PhNgjt9Q/time-problems-with-daylight-saving

On 14.09.22 19:01, Richmond wrote:

From an offset from GMT it is easy enough with this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/World_Time_Zones_Map.png 



to run up a listField with timezones and their countries as a sort of 
ad-hoc lookup table.


On 14.09.22 18:38, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
The original poster does not want to have the offset, but the time 
zone country/city and he already had a solution with apple script.

I provided a solution just with the shell function.


Am 14.09.2022 um 17:21 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:


That seems a bit unnecessary as 'internet date' produces a format 
that includes the GMT offset.


So when I write this in the messageBox:  put the internet date

I get:

Wed, 14 Sep 2022 18:19:18 +0300

and, obviously, from the +0300 it is dead easy to work out

my system time zone.

Love, Richmond.




On 14.09.22 18:09, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
Does your app has preferences the user can enter? Why not allow him 
to enter also the sudo password?

You could then use that to execute the following shell command:

put shell("echo  | sudo -S /usr/sbin/systemsetup 
-gettimezone")


replace  with the password in preferences. No need to use 
Applescript.


Regards,
Matthias



Am 14.09.2022 um 15:50 schrieb Bob Cole via use-livecode 
:


Just for the sake of completeness, there is a way to get the time 
zone with AppleScript but it requires Administrator Privileges. 
The MacOS pops up a request to allow the “do as AppleScript” 
script to access the systemsetup function. That manual step will 
interfere with the flow of the program.


Create a field “Statements” with this AppleScript:

do shell script "/usr/sbin/systemsetup -gettimezone" with 
administrator privileges


and put the following code in the script of a button:

on mouseUp
   do field "Statements" as "AppleScript"
   put the result into tResult
   set the itemDelimiter to space
   delete word 1 to 2 in tResult
   delete the last char of tResult
   put tResult into message box
end request

Tested in two time zones with these results:
America/Chicago
America/New_York

Bob

It's the, "America/Los_Angeles" bit I am trying to find a way to 
grok.

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Re: System Time Zone

[Richmond via use-livecode]

From an offset from GMT it is easy enough with this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/World_Time_Zones_Map.png

to run up a listField with timezones and their countries as a sort of 
ad-hoc lookup table.


On 14.09.22 18:38, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

The original poster does not want to have the offset, but the time zone 
country/city and he already had a solution with apple script.
I provided a solution just with the shell function.



Am 14.09.2022 um 17:21 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:

That seems a bit unnecessary as 'internet date' produces a format that includes 
the GMT offset.

So when I write this in the messageBox:  put the internet date

I get:

Wed, 14 Sep 2022 18:19:18 +0300

and, obviously, from the +0300 it is dead easy to work out

my system time zone.

Love, Richmond.




On 14.09.22 18:09, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Does your app has preferences the user can enter? Why not allow him to enter 
also the sudo password?
You could then use that to execute the following shell command:

put shell("echo  | sudo -S /usr/sbin/systemsetup -gettimezone")

replace  with the password in preferences. No need to use Applescript.

Regards,
Matthias




Am 14.09.2022 um 15:50 schrieb Bob Cole via use-livecode 
:

Just for the sake of completeness, there is a way to get the time zone with 
AppleScript but it requires Administrator Privileges. The MacOS pops up a 
request to allow the “do as AppleScript” script to access the systemsetup 
function. That manual step will interfere with the flow of the program.

Create a field “Statements” with this AppleScript:

do shell script "/usr/sbin/systemsetup -gettimezone" with administrator 
privileges

and put the following code in the script of a button:

on mouseUp
   do field "Statements" as "AppleScript"
   put the result into tResult
   set the itemDelimiter to space
   delete word 1 to 2 in tResult
   delete the last char of tResult
   put tResult into message box
end request

Tested in two time zones with these results:
America/Chicago
America/New_York

Bob


It's the, "America/Los_Angeles" bit I am trying to find a way to grok.

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Re: System Time Zone

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I am simply trying to present a solution that works:

1. 100% in LiveCode.

2. 100% cross-platform.

Richmond.

On 14.09.22 18:38, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

The original poster does not want to have the offset, but the time zone 
country/city and he already had a solution with apple script.
I provided a solution just with the shell function.



Am 14.09.2022 um 17:21 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:

That seems a bit unnecessary as 'internet date' produces a format that includes 
the GMT offset.

So when I write this in the messageBox:  put the internet date

I get:

Wed, 14 Sep 2022 18:19:18 +0300

and, obviously, from the +0300 it is dead easy to work out

my system time zone.

Love, Richmond.




On 14.09.22 18:09, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Does your app has preferences the user can enter? Why not allow him to enter 
also the sudo password?
You could then use that to execute the following shell command:

put shell("echo  | sudo -S /usr/sbin/systemsetup -gettimezone")

replace  with the password in preferences. No need to use Applescript.

Regards,
Matthias




Am 14.09.2022 um 15:50 schrieb Bob Cole via use-livecode 
:

Just for the sake of completeness, there is a way to get the time zone with 
AppleScript but it requires Administrator Privileges. The MacOS pops up a 
request to allow the “do as AppleScript” script to access the systemsetup 
function. That manual step will interfere with the flow of the program.

Create a field “Statements” with this AppleScript:

do shell script "/usr/sbin/systemsetup -gettimezone" with administrator 
privileges

and put the following code in the script of a button:

on mouseUp
   do field "Statements" as "AppleScript"
   put the result into tResult
   set the itemDelimiter to space
   delete word 1 to 2 in tResult
   delete the last char of tResult
   put tResult into message box
end request

Tested in two time zones with these results:
America/Chicago
America/New_York

Bob


It's the, "America/Los_Angeles" bit I am trying to find a way to grok.

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Re: System Time Zone

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Ah: sorry, I had no idea (having come late to the party) that you were 
wanting to interact

with iCal.

That does look like a bit of a headache:

https://icalendar.org/iCalendar-RFC-5545/3-2-19-time-zone-identifier.html

Richmond.

On 14.09.22 18:35, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

It's not dead easy from the perspective of iCalendar syntax. Zones are defined 
by text strings. I will need a lookup table for that.

Bob S


On Sep 14, 2022, at 08:21 , Richmond via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

That seems a bit unnecessary as 'internet date' produces a format that includes 
the GMT offset.

So when I write this in the messageBox:  put the internet date

I get:

Wed, 14 Sep 2022 18:19:18 +0300

and, obviously, from the +0300 it is dead easy to work out

my system time zone.

Love, Richmond.

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Re: System Time Zone

[Richmond via use-livecode]

That seems a bit unnecessary as 'internet date' produces a format that 
includes the GMT offset.


So when I write this in the messageBox:  put the internet date

I get:

Wed, 14 Sep 2022 18:19:18 +0300

and, obviously, from the +0300 it is dead easy to work out

my system time zone.

Love, Richmond.




On 14.09.22 18:09, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Does your app has preferences the user can enter? Why not allow him to enter 
also the sudo password?
You could then use that to execute the following shell command:

put shell("echo  | sudo -S /usr/sbin/systemsetup -gettimezone")

replace  with the password in preferences. No need to use Applescript.

Regards,
Matthias




Am 14.09.2022 um 15:50 schrieb Bob Cole via use-livecode 
:

Just for the sake of completeness, there is a way to get the time zone with 
AppleScript but it requires Administrator Privileges. The MacOS pops up a 
request to allow the “do as AppleScript” script to access the systemsetup 
function. That manual step will interfere with the flow of the program.

Create a field “Statements” with this AppleScript:

do shell script "/usr/sbin/systemsetup -gettimezone" with administrator 
privileges

and put the following code in the script of a button:

on mouseUp
   do field "Statements" as "AppleScript"
   put the result into tResult
   set the itemDelimiter to space
   delete word 1 to 2 in tResult
   delete the last char of tResult
   put tResult into message box
end request

Tested in two time zones with these results:
America/Chicago
America/New_York

Bob


It's the, "America/Los_Angeles" bit I am trying to find a way to grok.

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Re: alumin(i)um

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, in Scots it's "alumeenium", which just sounds like a Scot suffered
from bad spelling.

On Tue, 6 Sept 2022, 23:54 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Excerpt from WordOrigins.org:
>
> In 1808, British chemist Humphry Davy postulated the existence of a
> metallic form of alumina ore, which he dubbed alumium.
>
> Davy later changed the name to aluminum. He writes in his 1812 Elements of
> Chemical Philosophy: "As yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly
> free state."
>
> Yet that same year, other British chemists settled on the name aluminium,
> the ending of which they thought was more consistent with the other
> elements.
>
> So the theoretical substance was dubbed Aluminum first, but other
> scientists decided to call it Aluminium, even though no one knew if it
> existed or could exist yet.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
> > On Sep 6, 2022, at 13:38 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 9/6/22 13:19, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >> or the way they spell "favourites", or pronounce "Aluminum". Do you see
> an
> >> extra "i" in there? No? It's invisible, that's why.
> >
> > Yeah. About that.
> > The "aluminium" version actually preceded "aluminum" by several years,
> so if anything the U.S. version is actually the weird one. There are very
> few other elements that veer from the standard "ium" suffix into just "um":
> molybdenum, lanthanum,, tantalum, platinum, and all of those are transition
> metals.
> >
> > https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
> >
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Re: Standardize Font Appearance

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

For what it's worth, ever since my Master's thesis with LiveCode/RunRev, I
have always set up buttons with fonts the way I want them on whatever
platform, imported snapshots of those buttons, and used those images as
buttons.

No stress, No mess!

On Fri, 2 Sept 2022, 18:00 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
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> I read a blog some years back why it is so difficult to get nything on
> Windows to look like it does on the Mac. It is true that Windows renders
> fonts differently that Mac, so "exactly the same" remains the realm of the
> imagined. But you can get close. My big issue was that using Arial, labels
> that were right aligned and auto fitted on the Mac would overflow the left
> f the label on Windows.
>
> Now I am using Aclonica for form headers, Acme for labels and Actor for
> fields, buttons and grids. (Didn't have to look far did I?) I'm pretty
> happy now with the rendering of each on both platforms.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 23:18 , Neville Smythe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> Standardising fonts, so that one would no longer have to check that every
> label and field carefully crafted on the Mac to fit text precisely would
> not have missing pixels or whole words wrapped out of sight on Windows
> because of different font metrics, sounds like a great idea. But the
> reality of the way systems render fonts seems to complicate things:
>
> I set up a test standalone with the Google fonts NotoSans-regular.ttf and
> NotoSerif-regular.ttf installed. A label and and single line text field
> were set up to be exactly the right size to fit some text using Arial font
> on a Mac (Monterey). Then the labels and field were set to use NotoSans or
> NotoSerif fonts.
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Re: Why is Livecode not on this list?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Personally, My 'take' on LiveCode is that, generally, it is ideal for
boutique programming, for specific free-standing applications.

It is also excellent for teaching children programming concepts in a
relatively digestable way without dumbing programming down in the way
block-coding efforts such as Scratch do.

As such, there will always be very few advertisements for LiveCode
programmers.

That should not, in any way, devalue LiveCode.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022, 21:56 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode, <
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> Gregg wrote:
>
>  > https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022
>
> Demand.
>
> Their methodology note explains it's based on job listings. When was the
> last time you saw a job posting for LC skills?
>
> It's also a short list (50?).
>
> This one ranks by usage, listing the hundred most popular, where LC has
> only been in the top 50 a few times over the years I've been tracking
> it, but is often in the bottom 50 (out of hundreds of languages not so
> bad):
>
> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
>
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Re: lcb missing manual

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It would be good were there full documentation for LCB, and, preferably
with some sort of thematic search so, unlike the LiveCode dictionary one
did not have to flounder around so much working out what to search for.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022, 18:00 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
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> things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)
>
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Re: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...

[Richmond via use-livecode]

That is a complete misunderstanding of the elevator theory of evolution: 
this was a theory propagated by some
of the people who misread Darwin (I don't mean Hobbesian individualists 
like Huxley and Dawkins) to say that

evolution is a linear and ever-upwards process.

On 11.07.22 18:31, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Like how did our stomaches evolve without a circulatory system, and without a 
circulatory system, how did we develop stomaches?

Bob S



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Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.


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Re: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...

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Well there go my plans for early adoption.

I do feel that the 'new OS a year' model means that ALL the versions are
unfinished.

I could say the same about LiveCode versions.

Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, 08:46 Paul McClernan via use-livecode, <
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> The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.
>
> Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
> I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.
>
> Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux
> regular.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
>  wrote:
> >
> > On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> > > With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script
> window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
> >
> > Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone
> with the skills still there.
> >
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Re: M1 Macs and LC 9.6.8 RCs and 10.0.0 RCs

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Indeed, but 'both' results in an app package containing 2 'slices', rather
than 2 distinct apps.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, 21:56 Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode, <
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> Richmond wrote:
>
> > In the standalone builder you have always separated
> > Linux 32-bit and 64-bit builds, and the same with
> > Windows: could you alter the MacOS standalones so we
> > end up with one INTEL 64-bit standalone, and one ARM
> > standalone, rather than a awkward sandwich?
>
> In the current (see subject) versions the standalone
> builder for Mac lets you build:
>
> either Intel or Arm or both
>
> Kind regards
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Re: M1 Macs and LC 9.6.8 RCs and 10.0.0 RCs

[Richmond via use-livecode]

In the standalone builder you have always separated Linux 32-bit and 
64-bit builds, and the same with Windows: could you
alter the MacOS standalones so we end up with one INTEL 64-bit 
standalone, and one ARM standalone, rather than a awkward sandwich?


Best, Richmond.

On 20.06.22 17:50, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2022-06-18 21:27, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

So, the question now is, is this a macOS problem or is it possible
that a standalone could show the wrong setting due to a wrong
configuration or so when it is created.


It is a macOS (Finder) bug - I think it was the same when they added 
32-bit vs 64-bit, and probably Intel vs PowerPC.


There's a plist entry 'LSArchitecturePriority' which is the order in 
which the different slices should be used - currently we have x86-64 
then arm64 and it seems the Finder doesn't use this to determine 
whether to show the Rosetta box as checked or not when the user hasn't 
explicitly prodded it in the past (which obviously they won't have 
done for new apps / those which didn't have the option before!).


Warmest Regards,

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Re: Referencing Livecode

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As I, or anyone else could write on Wikipedia about Hamlet being
Shakespeare's coded love notes to a camel he met in Oxford, I really wonder
why anyone, 'academic' or not, would stick their neck under that
guillotine's fairly jittery blade escapes me completely.

I often look up things on Wikipedia, THEN check them elsewhere.

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> The same rules apply to US schools. It may be similar to doing a critique
> of Hamlet after reading only the Cliff Notes summary. No actual research
> or
> thought required.
>
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> On June 17, 2022 11:11:14 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > I wonder why that is? While you may find inaccurate information on
> > Wikipedia, the vastly overwhelming information there is absolutely
> > accurate. But isn't that true of EVERY source? In my life experience I
> have
> > found that settled science is very unsettled indeed. Salt causes high
> blood
> > pressure. Sugar causes diabetes. Red meat causes cancer. Milk is bad.
> Eggs
> > are bad. Coffee is bad. Mercury is a molten ball. Life needs sunlight to
> > live. A nuclear blast will render an area unlivable for 10,000 years. I
> > could go on and on.
> >
> > Mankind is constantly revising "settled" science, and well we should,
> but
> > what I object to is being told that what academia is now telling us is
> the
> > new absolute, and I am expected to just accept that.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 17, 2022, at 01:57 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> From what I know (my wife is a senior academic at a university)
> references
> >> to Wikipedia pages are academic suicide, fail, go straight to jail, do
> not
> >> pass GO, do not collect 200 smackers, and you get the picture.
> >
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Re: Referencing Livecode

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From what I know (my wife is a senior academic at a university) references
to Wikipedia pages are academic suicide, fail, go straight to jail, do not
pass GO, do not collect 200 smackers, and you get the picture.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2022, 11:47 David V Glasgow via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > On 16 Jun 2022, at 9:08 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a reason not to use the LC site URL, either alone or in
> addition to the Wikipedia one?
>
> The https://livecode.com landing page is rather sparse, and focussed on
> drawing customers in rather than conveying anything about text processing,
> or obvious links to information on text processing.  No criticism of that
> at all.  It’s a commercial site.
>
> Wiki page has the disadvantage of a banner warning about link rot, but the
> advantage of lots of information presented in a more academic and neutral
> style.
>
>
> >
> > Re: the errors, they look like examples of functions that would return
> "false" but I haven't seen them in context.
> > --
>
> They do, don’t they.  From memory, that wasn’t the context though.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: [[ ANN ]] Release 10.0.0 DP-4

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, obviously not.

I hope LC will release a public beta shortly.

Listen to feedback.

Allow the new IDE not to be 'the' IDE, but one of 2 possible choices.

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, 00:12 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
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> Then my bad, I presumed that the DP4 release was the DP4 release.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:36 AM Heather Laine via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I think you are probably referring to the special prototype dp-4 with the
> > single window IDE in testing. This is not as yet "in the wild". This has
> > only so far been made available to the attendees for LCG 22/23 Feature
> > Focus sessions.
> >
> > In case anyone is confused.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > Heather Laine
> > Customer Services Manager
> > LiveCode Ltd
> > www.livecode.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:20, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Since this is now in the wild, and has a very different layout, y'all
> > > should probably have a look at it and comment on it, before it gets too
> > far
> > > down the road. LC has stated that this is the future.
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:31 AM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear list members,
> > >>
> > >> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-4.
> > >>
> > >> You can find more details on the new features and the bug fixes of
> this
> > new
> > >> release here:
> > >>
> > >> https://livecode.com/m1-native-latest-livecode-releases/
> > >>
> > >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> the
> > >> automatic updater.
> > >>
> > >> Enjoy!
> > >>
> > >> Kind regards
> > >> The LiveCode Team
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Re: [[ ANN ]] Release 10.0.0 DP-4

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Certainly not round these parts: the IDE "we know and love" is still in 
place.


Best, Richmond.

On 1.06.22 17:35, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

I think you are probably referring to the special prototype dp-4 with the single window 
IDE in testing. This is not as yet "in the wild". This has only so far been 
made available to the attendees for LCG 22/23 Feature Focus sessions.

In case anyone is confused.

Best Regards,

Heather

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Since this is now in the wild, and has a very different layout, y'all
should probably have a look at it and comment on it, before it gets too far
down the road. LC has stated that this is the future.

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:31 AM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
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Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-4.

You can find more details on the new features and the bug fixes of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/m1-native-latest-livecode-releases/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

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Re: Formatting code in word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

A better bet is LibreOffice as cheap jacks like me can see no obvious
reason for paying for something when a functional equivalent exists for
free.

On Wed, 25 May 2022, 20:53 Hakan--- via use-livecode, <
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> Yes, you need to use something to create the PDF first of course. And here
> Word might be a good candidate. Especially if you are to write a lot of
> explaining text and then paste some code.
> I think I still would go for an automated setup and write the explanations
> in the code. Then you could automate the full process (in Livecode of
> course :) But it all depends on the purpose of course.
>
> If you are looking for a tool to convert between a lot of different
> formats I suggest you take a look at pandoc. A command line Swiss army tool
> for document conversion.
>
> Good Luck!
> :-Håkan
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
>
> > 24 maj 2022 kl. 22:37 skrev Mark Smith :
> >
> > Thanks, I wasn’t aware that could be applied to just a specific format…
> I had always thought of it as document wide. Mind you, I don’t take
> advantage of 90% of the features in Word either. PDF sounds like a good
> option for distribution but don’t you still need to create the file in
> something else? I’ve only ever converted documents to/from PDF.
> >
> >> On 24 May 2022, at 3:57 pm, Håkan Liljegren 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Probably not what you want to hear, but I never distribute documents in
> Word as I then have no control on the formatting. The receiver might not
> have the same font installed and then the text might reflow and all kinds
> of bad things might happen! :)
> >>
> >> I always use PDF for distrution. BUT, if you still want to use Word you
> can create a specific format for the code blocks and then select the
> language for that format and check the “Do not check spelling or grammar”
> for that format. You can also select the newly pasted text and then do the
> same procedure (Select language and check the do not check checkbox).
> >>
> >> :-Håkan
> >>
> >>> On 24 May 2022, at 13:00, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello list,
> >>>
> >>> Do you use anything to make code look more readable when inserted into
> a Word document? I ask because all those squiggly red underlines
> (spellcheck marks) makes it pretty unattractive, although they can be
> turned off. However, when distributing a document to others they may not
> know how to turn that off. Just wondering if you’ve found a better way for
> distributing code in word docs.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> Mark
> >>>
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Re: Is it a bug?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Seem sensible, after all end-users should be able ti change their minds.

On Mon, 23 May 2022, 21:23 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
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> I found one thing I think is a bug, and I'd like to report it, but I want
> to see if anyone else thinks this may be the expected behavior:
>
> It seems to me that when clicking and holding the mouse button down on an
> pulldown menu, then releasing outside that menu so that no menu item is
> actually selected, the parameter passed to menuPick ought to be empty, if
> menuPick even should get sent in the first place. What it actually does is
> it passes the first menu item, even though that item was not specifically
> chosen.
>
> If you click AND release while still IN the pulldown menu so that the menu
> remains expanded, THEN click off the menu, MenuPick never even gets sent to
> the pulldown menu, which is what one would expect.
>
> This is on MacOS 10.15.7 Catalina running 9.6.7 Pro.
>
> What say you?
>
> Bob S
>
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Re: Curved text possible?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

If that is over your head, use my method, which you can find over on the
forums.

All 'pure' LiveCode.

Best, Richmond.

On Wed, 18 May 2022, 18:26 William de Smet via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean,
>
> Incredible to see what HH did.
> That is way over my head.
> And so is LCB.
>
>
>
>
> groeten,
>
> William
>
>
>
>
> Op wo 18 mei 2022 om 14:16 schreef Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>
> > Actually, HH had put up this on his site and kept open for us kindly.
> > https://hh.on-rev.com/widgets/svgtext.html
> >
> > At the bottom he describes that it is possible to use SVG to define paths
> > for the text. How good are you at LCB in being able to manipulate what he
> > had achieved here?
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 12:57, William de Smet via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > @Sean: Yes, a widget would be the best thing of course.
> > > Much appreciated!
> > >
> > > groeten,
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Op wo 18 mei 2022 om 11:41 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > > There is a better way to do this using LCB. If you don’t mind
> waiting I
> > > > can pull something up. I’m out of office at the moment so can’t get
> to
> > my
> > > > files.
> > > >
> > > > Sean Cole
> > > > Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> > > >
> > > > eMail Ts & Cs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 18 May 2022, at 09:40, William de Smet via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi there,
> > > > >
> > > > > I posted a curved text example (with use of the browser widget) on
> > the
> > > > > forum:
> > > > > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=37027
> > > > >
> > > > > It works ok but still not satisfied with transparency.
> > > > > Maybe someone has a better idea on how to do that?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > groeten,
> > > > >
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Op do 28 apr. 2022 om 17:42 schreef William de Smet <
> > > > williamdes...@gmail.com
> > > > >> :
> > > > >
> > > > >> Thanks!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I came up with sort of the same idea yesterday evening and I am
> > > > >> tetsting it now.
> > > > >> I load a local html file within the browser widget with
> > circletype.js
> > > > >> added to the html file.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A native textfield (and some extra code) writes back into the html
> > > file
> > > > >> and then I refresh the card.
> > > > >> A snapshot gives me the curved text.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There is also Arctext,js that I want to test.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I will come back later with my result.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> groeten,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> William
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Op do 28 apr. 2022 om 17:24 schreef Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
> <
> > > > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> +1
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Ralph DiMola
> > > > >>> IT Director
> > > > >>> Evergreen Information Services
> > > > >>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -Original Message-
> > > > >>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com
> ]
> > On
> > > > >>> Behalf
> > > > >>> Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:18 AM
> > > > >>> To: How to use LiveCode
> > > > &

Re: Movie text tracks

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Here's a thought:

Dig out an old mac that runs, say, MacOS 10.6 or 10.7 and then follow this:

https://synchrimedia.blogspot.com/2016/02/extracting-qt-text-tracks-from-movies.html

Best, Richmond.

On 17.05.22 20:28, Devin Asay via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

I’m resurrecting some QuickTime movies from years ago, and some of them have 
text tracks. (Remember those?)

In the LC player object you can still see that there is a text track with `put 
the tracks of player 1`. But there doesn’t seem to be a way anymore to show 
text tracks, either in the player object or in QT Player. All of the hits I get 
on the topic in a DuckDuckGo search are 15 - 20 years old.

Anybody know how to show, or at least recover, old text tracks from video files?

(Man I hate it when the technology gets *less* capable!)

- Devin


Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University

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Re: Divide Large Data Blob?

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Great Behinds Stink Alike.  :)

On 16.05.22 21:19, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:

Hi.

Can you get the number of lines of the whole blob, if lines are pertinent, 
divide that number by 3, and search from there? Another words, if you had 1000 
lines, divide by 3 and search from line 333 to 666.

Craig


On May 16, 2022, at 1:46 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I have a large chunk of data that I want to
search as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately the part I want to search is the
middle third of the data.  The other thirds at
the beginning and at the end are just junk and
slow down my search so I want to get rid of them.

I don’t want to search line by line as that
takes way too long.

There’s no unique character dividing any
of these data regions.

What’s the best way to do this?

Thanks in advance!

Rick



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Re: Divide Large Data Blob?

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Well one of the things you could do is this:

slightly pseudo

1 put the number of chars in MyDATA into MyNUM
2 put MyNUM / 3 into SLICER
3 put chars 1-SLICER of MyDATA into firstTHIRD
4 put chars SLICER-(SLICER * 2) into secondTHIRD
5 put chars (SLICER * 2)-(SLICER*3) into thirdTHIRD

at which point you can perform you search inwith secondTHIRD.

Unless you want to recombine all those bits having performed some sort 
of operation on secondThird

lines 3 and 5 are a waste of time.

Best, Richmond.

Best Richmond.

On 16.05.22 20:46, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

I have a large chunk of data that I want to
search as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately the part I want to search is the
middle third of the data.  The other thirds at
the beginning and at the end are just junk and
slow down my search so I want to get rid of them.

I don’t want to search line by line as that
takes way too long.

There’s no unique character dividing any
of these data regions.

What’s the best way to do this?

Thanks in advance!

Rick



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Re: Anybody tried to import data to Quicken for Mac?

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Awkward:

Whackypedia says:

"Different (and incompatible) versions of Quicken run on Windows and 
Macintosh systems."


and

"the absence of a common cross-platform file format"

so getting data "into Quicken" could mean several things.

"newer versions of Quicken for Mac use an SQLite database"

So, my first question is going to be, 'which version of Quicken are you 
talking about?'


and my second one is going to be, 'Windows or Mac?'

and my third one is, 'Doesn't the person with this problem still have 
access to the version

of quicken they previously used?'

On 6.05.22 23:48, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Is QIF a text based format, or is it encrypted? If the latter (and it probably 
is), it is doubtful that there is a way to do this without software (of which 
there are some options if you google it).

Bob S



On May 6, 2022, at 13:40 , William Prothero via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Folks:
I have a nasty accounting problem and need to somehow get data into Quicken (or 
perhaps find another management program). My question is whether it’s possible 
(or known) how to take csv data (easy) and convert to acceptable QIF form, 
which quicken requires.

Best,
Bill Prothero

William Prothero
waproth...@gmail.com




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Re: Localizing e.g. "Answer dialog" featuzre reques = hibernated?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

"Ah cud spak , an, aiblins it micht be mensefu, anent ither leids, but Ah
  jalouse that fowk widnae thole war jalouse qhat Ah wis ettlin an speiran
  eftir."

Your responses proves my point:

'I could talk about other languages, and, maybe it might make sense, but I
suspect people
would not agree or understand exactly what I was on about or aiming after.'

And as the Scots who do use LiveCode are all perfectly functional in
English . . .

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 10:04 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
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> Fantastic :D
>
> Sean
>
>
> > On 12 Apr 2022, at 19:24, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > he wrote:
> > Cannot say anything to this issue, but must confuse the list or I will
> > lose my good reputation otherwise.
> >
> > :-D :-D :-D
> >
> >>>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 11:00 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah cud spak , an, aiblins it micht be mensefu, anent ither leids, but
> Ah
> >>>> jalouse that fowk widnae thole war jalouse qhat Ah wis ettlin an
> speiran
> >>>> eftir.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best
> >
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Re: Localizing e.g. "Answer dialog" featuzre reques = hibernated?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Ah cud spak , an, aiblins it micht be mensefu, anent ither leids, but Ah
jalouse that fowk widnae thole war jalouse qhat Ah wis ettlin an speiran
eftir.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022, 20:52 Klaus major-k via use-livecode, <
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> Hi all,
>
> some time ago I "feature requested" a possibility to localize e.g. the
> "Answer Dialog":
> 
>
> Example:
> Cancel = english, which is always displayed currently
> Annuler = french
> Abbrechen = german
> All these are much longer words, so just setting the label of that button
> will not suffice.
> Bernd Niggeman provided a nifty solution for this inconvenience.
>
> But why on earth has this been "Hibernated"?
>
> Don't we all think that we should be able to localize all aspectcs of LC?
> Not the whole world is speaking english, ladies and gentlemen!
>
> Maybe you want to add a comment, thank you!
>
>
> Best
>
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Re: OSS installer for Linux?

[Richmond via use-livecode]

https://archive.org/download/live-code-community-linux-x64/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-9_6_3-Linux.x64

On 8.04.22 17:58, Devin Asay via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

Does anyone still have the Community installer for LiveCode 9.6.3 Linux? I have 
a colleague I’m trying to show LC to, but he’s reluctant to d/l the trial 
version.

- Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University

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Re: Widget properties

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Here's my 25p's worth:

Ever since widgets 'appeared' I have thought of them as second class 
citizens insofar as:


1. They are 'bits of stuff' where experts (the LiveCode team and so on) 
have done the heavy lifting
for those of us who haven't got the skill, motivation or time to work 
out how to get that sort of thing together

in LiveCode itself.

2. I certainly never get into widgets when I teach computer programming 
for a number of reasons:


2.1. While I teach children to program with LiveCode, the ultimate aim 
is to equip them with a series
of transferrable skills they can take 'to the table' of any programming 
language: the ability to drop in
a prepackaged 'does-it-for-you' add-on (one of the things that sets my 
teeth on edge about Python)

does not, as far as I am concerned, constitute computer programming as such.

Of course people might start shouting at me, at this point, and say, 
"Well then, why don't you go back to command-line
programming?", to which my riposte is, "That's why I START my 
programming with teenagers (it's a bit too much for
preteens) with BASIC programming on my BBC Micro machines I have 
lovingly curated in my school."


After a day or two with BBC BASIC on a black screen teenagers will "do 
anything for me" when they see the, supposedly,

old-fashioned LiveCode IDE and the ever-so-sexy WYSIWYG GUI.

2.2. While a LiveCode button can be examined via its property inspector, 
a widget largely cannot,

so a learner cannot really begin to understand how it is put together.

3. Widgets are, undoubtedly very clever insofar as they provide tools 
and services out of the box, and types
like myself don't have to spend an awful lot of effort working out how 
to roll our own.


4. I suppose the 'price' of a widget is just exactly that one cannot 
really get t its underpinnings (properties)

in quite the way one can withg a native LiveCode object.

Having said all this, I don't use widgets (beyond fooling around with 
them when I have a spare moment),
and on my teaching computers the widgets section of the revTools palette 
is never exposed.


Were widgets to be "integrated" into LiveCode as per buttons, fields, 
images and so forth, with properties
palettes allowing a vast number of variables to be accessible, my 
attitude towards them might change; but that
seems unlikely to happen as they are quite different beasts to buttons, 
fields, images and so on.


Best, Richmond.

On 7.04.22 9:24, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Thank you for your reply, Monte. Comments inline:

Monte Goulding wrote:
>> On 7 Apr 2022, at 11:25 am, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Can you help me understand how it's better than "the properties",
>> and why this superior method isn't used for engine controls?
>
> Because the array created by export and used by import contains
> the state of the widget as is saved when saving the stack. The
> content may or may not be the same as the property names exposed
> to user scripts but a widget created with that state should be
> the same as if it were saved in the stack and the stack re-opened.

I've never used a widget in production yet, so I can't say I have an 
opinion there.  If the uses for widgets are viewed as sufficiently 
different from engine-based controls that "the properties" so many of 
us enjoy wouldn't apply, I'm okay with that. Just looking to understand.



>> That the company has such a narrowly specific view of the
>> applicability of "the properties" is indeed helpful. Thank
>> you for chiming in.
>
> I’m not the company.

Pardon my imprecision. I think the readers here are likely aware that 
the company is comprised of many people, and there are likely many 
different opinions on a wide range of topics, including this.  Please 
read that as "a significant member of the company".



> Mark may spend a lot more time pondering the utility of `the
> properties` than I do and indeed may have a different opinion.
> Indeed my opinion was much closer to yours is now when I sent
> in a PR for LC 6.1 all those years ago ;-)

One of the challenges with a tool as vastly capable as LiveCode is 
wrapping one's head around all the use-cases, and all the perceived 
priorities.  Various members of the company and the community have 
expressed a wide range of opinions on many things.


If "the properties" winds up being like the pointer tool requests I 
used to ask about, no worries. I stopped asking about those years ago.


Indeed, even with "the properties" I've had a few discussions on this 
with different team members going back to Dr Brett, back when LCB was 
in its earliest stages.


In my own mind having two different methods for obtaining property 
da

Re: Counting Syllables

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Frankly I'd go for isolated vowels (I, A), Vowel+ Consonant (In, On, 
An), and Consonant+ Vowel (La, Lo, Fi), you
also have a problem with the semi-vowel Y, and the semi-vowel U ( 'yu' 
as un Union, and 'u' as in Utter).


This is pretty impressive: https://syllablecounter.net/count

I gave it 'Beautiful aesthetic foetuses' and it came up, correctly, with 
9 syllables . . . the Q is what's the code:

probably time to download the webpage and poke around a bit.

On 20.03.22 21:12, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:

This post goes over some techniques:

https://mholtzscher.github.io/2018/05/29/syllables/ 
<https://mholtzscher.github.io/2018/05/29/syllables/>




On Mar 20, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi Richmond,

Yes, English. Sorry I forgot to be specific, I thought it was implied.

Yes, I have been counting vowels, but there appear to be a lot of exceptions,
so there must be a lot more rules.

I need to know what all the rules are to make it work if possible.

There are websites out there on the internet that will count
syllables in whatever text given to them so it must be possible.
How are they doing it?  Is it an algorithm ,or are they comparing
the words to a database table that has all the dictionary information?

Thanks,

Rick



On Mar 20, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Well, syllables are language dependent, so let's suppose for the moment that
you are ONLY working with English, the, presumably, you can set up vowels
as item-delimiters: although you might get a bit mixed up with words sucj
as 'beautiful' which, while having 5 vowels only has 3 syllables.

Basically you have to work out how to detect V+C and open vowels at the
end of words.

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Re: Counting Syllables

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Well, syllables are language dependent, so let's suppose for the moment that
you are ONLY working with English, the, presumably, you can set up vowels
as item-delimiters: although you might get a bit mixed up with words sucj
as 'beautiful' which, while having 5 vowels only has 3 syllables.

Basically you have to work out how to detect V+C and open vowels at the
end of words.

On 20.03.22 19:41, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

I’m working on a project that requires an LC program to count
the number of syllables in a paragraph.

I don’t want to have to re-invent the wheel here if there
is an existing solution to the problem.

If not, what are all the rules I need to check?

Suggestions?

Thanks,

Rick
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Re: Hey Lurkers: Anyone still using LC 6.7? (Regulars too)

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Aha. Thick types like me need things to be made explicit.

Richmond.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2022, 20:51 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
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> I believe he means that utilities he creates will still function when used
> with 6.7, but wouldn't if he employs new features or syntax only supported
> in v9.x and up. Eventually he would consider ONLY supporting 9.x and up,
> and wants to get an idea of how many people would still need 6.7 support.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 2022, at 10:33 , Richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > What do you mean when you write "I'm still supporting LC 6.7"?
> >
> > On 10.03.22 20:25, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
> >>
> >> To plan addon development for the next few years,
> >> I would like to know if some people still need LC 6.7.
> >>
> >> If you're a Lurker, that's OK! If shy: offlist is fine.
> >> (Regulars welcome too, of course.)
> >>
> >> Currently I'm still supporting LC 6.7 too, but as LC 9
> >> matures on bugs/stability and performance, hopefully
> >> there will come a time when I can make this decision.
> >>
> >> Supporting LC 6.7 and 9/10 is fine, in fact it's fun,
> >> but moving past 6.7 eventually would have some perks.
> >> So the question is how long people will still need it.
> >>
> >> Your input will help guide my plan! Thanks.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Curry Kenworthy
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Re: Hey Lurkers: Anyone still using LC 6.7? (Regulars too)

[Richmond via use-livecode]

What do you mean when you write "I'm still supporting LC 6.7"?

On 10.03.22 20:25, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


To plan addon development for the next few years,
I would like to know if some people still need LC 6.7.

If you're a Lurker, that's OK! If shy: offlist is fine.
(Regulars welcome too, of course.)

Currently I'm still supporting LC 6.7 too, but as LC 9
matures on bugs/stability and performance, hopefully
there will come a time when I can make this decision.

Supporting LC 6.7 and 9/10 is fine, in fact it's fun,
but moving past 6.7 eventually would have some perks.
So the question is how long people will still need it.

Your input will help guide my plan! Thanks.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: What version of Ubuntu does LiveCode (9.6.6) support?

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Here's a few observations:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=36784

Best, Richmond.

On 10.03.22 17:29, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:


Just read the release notes (for 9.6.6, but also for 10.0.0.dp2) which 
say


LiveCode supports the following Linux distributions, on 32-bit or 
64-bit Intel/AMD or compatible processors:

Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04
Fedora 23 & 24
Debian 7 (Wheezy) and 8 (Jessie) [server] CentOS 7 [server]


Is that correct - i.e. Ubuntu 18 is NOT supported? Might this be my 
problem with "libexpat.so.1"?


(I question it only because the 9.6.6 version of the User Guide says

The minimal requirements for LiveCode to run on Linux are:
 32-bit installation, or a 64-bit linux distribution that has a 
32-bit compatibility layer

 2.4.x or later kernel

which is clearly out of date.)

Is anyone running LiveCode, or at least standalones built from 
LiveCode, on Ubuntu 18? Or is that my problem?


TIA,

Ben

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Re: Install LC on Chromebook

[Richmond via use-livecode]

'Normally' . . .

On Xubuntu I download the appropriate Linux installer for the machine 
(my school sports a motley mixture of 32 and 64 bit machines),
and then select 'properties' with a right-click: that allows me to set 
the executable bit WITHOUT getting all hot and sweaty using the terminal.


After that, it's just the same as on other desktop platforms: mind you, 
select "me only" as the other 2 seem to play "silly buggers."


Best, Richmond.

On 17.02.22 8:51, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 2/16/22 21:40, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Has anyone installed LC on a Chromebook? I've got the Linux partition 
set up and I've found instructions on how to download Linux apps via 
terminal but nothing about doing it with installers. I downloaded and 
tried both the 64 and 32 bit installers but Chrome OS tells me "this 
type of file is not supported" for both.


From what I've read I need a .deb file but this is my first dance on 
Linux. 

I don't know what I'm doing.



I haven't, but...
I'll assume this is an intel chromebook, not an arm processor.

LC doesn't have a "normal" linux installer, i.e., .rpm or .deb file.
You have to download the installer then change the permission bits to 
allow it to be executable.
If you can change the permissions via the chromebook ui then do it 
that way. Otherwise from the commandline you could just say

chmod +x LiveCodeInstaller-9_6_6-Linux.x64

After that you can launch the installer. I assume (silly me) that you 
can double-click an application on a chromebook to launch it, but if 
not you can launch it via the commandline:


./LiveCodeInstaller-9_6_6-Linux.x64

Now you have the choice of installing for just you or for everyone. 
You'll make life a lot easier on yourself if you select "just you".


...don't get me started on the (lack of an) uninstaller.




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Re: Sharing a desktop app, or with beta testers

[Richmond via use-livecode]

The security issue is because the user probably just did a double-click 
on the thing.

a right-click will allow them to run the app.

On 26.01.22 21:29, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:

Folks:
Sorry for this question which probably has been answered many times, but …. I’m 
trying not to waste my day searching around.

What’s the best way to send a desktop app on Apple OS 12.1 to a friend or beta 
tester? I sent an app and a security issue came up.

Thanks,
Bill P

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Re: Reviving CD-ROM material [was: Re: Livecode and interactive video]

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

m interested in
> that appear to be abandoned, I try to reach the creator or current rights
> holder to see what can be done to re-use it.
> >
> > It's the least I can do. If I am to embrace the excitingly bold spirit
> of the Berne Convention, I'm obliged to not only enjoy its fruits but to
> also honor its responsibilities.
> >
> > It is not for me to assume control of any other creator's work.
> >
> > In honoring copyright, I'm creating of a world where copyright is
> honored.
> >
> > --
> > Richard Gaskin
> > Fourth World Systems
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff Reynolds wrote:
> >
> >> Richmond,
> >> And I’ll be right there with Richard.
> >> Just because it’s not being supported does not remove copyrights. You
> know that’s a stupid argument. Maybe fine with your own morals but it’s not
> how copyright works. As a content creator for over 4 decades of my
> professional life I really hate that attitude of self justification. Fine
> for your own use but if you want to redistribute it then get the rights.
> Not for profit label has nothing to do with the rights involved.
> >> I have experience working in and with media companies and licensing
> others’ materials and having others licensing ours. We were told all the
> time by management and legal to not respond to requests to license unless
> management was interested in the proposal and they would handle that. I
> thought it pretty strange that a denial letter could cause any issues and
> may have just been paranoia or don’t waste your time but those were the
> instructions. Getting an odd bob out out of relicensing an old project
> involves figuring out who you are getting in bed with and if you even want
> to get into bed with them in the first place, time to come to an agreement,
> research out the original projects licensing (media projects are rife with
> licensed media that at times are not transferable or require additional
> permission and/or payments), create and agree on a contract, deliver the
> goods, then make sure everything is being done as contracted. That’s not
> simple and all the steps cost time and money and usually folks are not
> willing to pay much for the rights to cover these costs, let alone a profit.
> >> I’ve done this process a couple of times with old projects and it was
> way more work than I thought it would be and that was with a very good
> relationship with the rights holder (I built the original product for them)
> and in good rights situations. One was easy and owner was happy with a
> handshake on the deal until I had a product to sell and then we would pen a
> contract. I totally trusted him he would honor the handshake (and I’m still
> absolutely sure he would have, very good chap), but a year and a half later
> he ended up having to sell the rights, so our handshake of course was no
> longer good. He was transparent about all this and I just did the hand
> shake as it would have been a good chunk of change with lawyer to pen the
> rights contract and I didn’t have a publisher onboard yet. So even in the
> best of situations things can go sideways on these kinds of things and life
> is not as simple as you think it is Richmond.
> >> I was approached by an old employer about resurrecting an old
> commercial cdrom project. I knew the rights had changed hands a couple of
> times, so my first question was who has the rights now and have you secured
> them? His response was well it’s abandoned and one of the publishers that
> were distributing the product to the education market (that wanted to
> partner with him on this deal) thought they could do it under their
> publishing agreement. Again I questioned did they have a full rights deal
> or just a publishing contract (I knew from the original days on the project
> we had very specific publishing contracts with different channels like
> Apple, media distributor and some educational publishers and they were
> rabid about retaining the work’s rights). Response was they feel confident
> they could stretch it legally. He then tried to say well we could construe
> this to be in then public domain as most paid for with public/private
> partnership money from NSF and EPA grants. I had to laugh in his face as
> they had made sure that even with this public money the company had
> complete rights to everything. I said I’d be happy to talk to him (and
> spend my own time) about it once he can put through the lawyers. He did and
> planning abruptly stopped.
> >> The real killer usually is that media licensed in the original work was
> not contracted for sub licensing, transfer, or reuse or requires new
> payments. Sounds like something most would plan 

Re: Reviving CD-ROM material [was: Re: Livecode and interactive video]

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Thank you, Richsrd Gaskin.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 03:26 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the mention, Jeff. Without your adding that here I would
> have missed Richmond's reference; he's among a small number of members I
> generally don't read anymore (so much to learn, so little signal in a
> noisy world...)
>
> FWIW I agree with what you wrote, and felt it was important enough to
> quote it in whole below. Thank you for taking the time to write that.
>
>
> Richmond's original comment about me was:
>  > Richard Gaskin will probably now come after me with the castrating
>  > irons.?
>
> How you arrive at your legal and ethical choices is entirely up to you.
> Unless it involves my work it doesn't affect me. Knock yourself out.
>
>
> For the other readers here, I don't mind sharing a personal opinion on
> copyright law:
>
>
> There are some details of US copyright statutes I don't much care for,
> particularly the control one giant American corporation has held over US
> copyright expiration ("Steamboat Willy", I'm looking at you).
>
> But overall I not only do my best to conform to US and applicable
> international copyright law per the terms of the contracts I sign, I
> wholeheartedly celebrate it.
>
> IMO the Berne Convention, which lies at the heart of most copyright law
> among signatory nations, exemplifies a profound wisdom we all benefit
> from, esp the readers here, since most of us earn our living from
> intellectual property.
>
> It holds that at the very moment of the creation of any original
> creative work, the creator of that work has sole authority over it.
>
> Let that sink in. Savor it. It's wonderfully delicious.
>
> It recognizes that creative effort is a uniquely valuable human
> activity, and maintains as a matter of international legal guidance the
> sanctity of the act of creation.
>
> Man, if nations could agree on anything else so beautifully principled
> our Spaceship Earth might be a paradise. :)
>
> I love it so much that when I come across old works I'm interested in
> that appear to be abandoned, I try to reach the creator or current
> rights holder to see what can be done to re-use it.
>
> It's the least I can do. If I am to embrace the excitingly bold spirit
> of the Berne Convention, I'm obliged to not only enjoy its fruits but to
> also honor its responsibilities.
>
> It is not for me to assume control of any other creator's work.
>
> In honoring copyright, I'm creating of a world where copyright is honored.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>
>
>
> Jeff Reynolds wrote:
>
> > Richmond,
> >
> > And I’ll be right there with Richard.
> >
> > Just because it’s not being supported does not remove copyrights. You
> know that’s a stupid argument. Maybe fine with your own morals but it’s not
> how copyright works. As a content creator for over 4 decades of my
> professional life I really hate that attitude of self justification. Fine
> for your own use but if you want to redistribute it then get the rights.
> Not for profit label has nothing to do with the rights involved.
> >
> > I have experience working in and with media companies and licensing
> others’ materials and having others licensing ours. We were told all the
> time by management and legal to not respond to requests to license unless
> management was interested in the proposal and they would handle that. I
> thought it pretty strange that a denial letter could cause any issues and
> may have just been paranoia or don’t waste your time but those were the
> instructions.
> >
> > Getting an odd bob out out of relicensing an old project involves
> figuring out who you are getting in bed with and if you even want to get
> into bed with them in the first place, time to come to an agreement,
> research out the original projects licensing (media projects are rife with
> licensed media that at times are not transferable or require additional
> permission and/or payments), create and agree on a contract, deliver the
> goods, then make sure everything is being done as contracted. That’s not
> simple and all the steps cost time and money and usually folks are not
> willing to pay much for the rights to cover these costs, let alone a profit.
> >
> > I’ve done this process a couple of times with old projects and it was
> way more work than I thought it would be and that was with a very good
> relationship with the rights holder (I built the original product for them)
> and in good rights situations. One was easy and owner was happy with a
> 

Re: Reviving CD-ROM material [was: Re: Livecode and interactive video]

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I have a good dozen CD-ROMs which my boys got a lot of mileage out of 
when we stayed in the UAE.


The first thing to do is to extract all the media - and this can be a 
right-pain-in-the-bum as quite a lot of
these CDs were authored using MacroMedia products where the media are 
embedded in a way which seems

to make them inaccessible.

After that . . .

Run up LiveCode stacks that mimic the FUNCTIONALITY of the original CDs 
(this is surprisingly easy).


I have a horde of Dorling-Kindersley CDs that contain stuff that really 
rocks (well, up to the point
that media authored for a Mac Performa 5700 is of a far, far lower 
quality and size than what is

the norm nowadays).

I wrote to them twice and they never bothered to reply

they did not "essentially" ignore me: they IGNORED me. This is nonsense 
as, presumably, there is no obvious way
they can make the odd bob out of ancient CD-ROMS; and if they had a bit 
of nous they might realise that they could

climb into bed with you to mutual advantage . . .

so I would merrily chant my favourite mantra:

"abandonware, abandonware"  and make sure that anything I did with media 
ripped off from those


CDs was splattered with disclaimers and released on a not-for-profit basis.

Richard Gaskin will probably now come after me with the castrating 
irons.  :)


Even if he doesn't, his knowledge of what-you-can and what-you-cannot 
get away with is

both invaluable and far, far more extensive than mine it.

On 23.01.22 14:57, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

I know I’m old enough to be the father of the average LiveCoder, and maybe the 
grandfather of quite a few, so I clearly remember CD-ROMs. I had a favourite 
cross-platform one which contains some very attractive material, and I have 
often thought of reviving the contents using either an LC standalone, or (as is 
presumably now possible), an LC-generated web app. Sadly I have never been able 
to have a sensible conversation with the copyright owner (they’ve essentially 
ignored me), so this would begin as a private project. I’m still wondering what 
the best technical approach should be. The material includes videos (not 
interactive) and synchronised text and audio files. After thinking about it for 
years, I still think it would be fun to do.

Has anyone any ideas about how to approach this conversion (or re-purposing, or 
whatever term you want to use)?

Graham


On 21 Jan 2022, at 19:56, Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
 wrote:

A quarter of a century ago, we called this Interactive Multimedia.
It was usually delivered on a CD-ROM.   Ask your parents! ;)

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Re: Someone has a copy of the last version of LiveCode to support PowerPC MacOS Classic machines?

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Old and mouldy: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qslejp8mq5tuges/revolution.sit?dl=0


On 15.01.22 20:15, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:

Hey Folks,

I’m in the mood to build some hobby toys for old classic macs, just to amuse 
myself.

Anyone here has a copy of the last version of Runtime Revolution to support 
PowerPC based Macs running classic Mac OS?

I used to have a license for them, but I have no idea how to get that license, 
or how to get that software.

Best
Andre
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Re: Someone has a copy of the last version of LiveCode to support PowerPC MacOS Classic machines?

[Richmond via use-livecode]

The best bet is to go to the Wayback machine and look at RunRev websites 
there, and I di know that RunRev2 can be downloaded.


Best, Richmond.

On 15.01.22 20:15, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:

Hey Folks,

I’m in the mood to build some hobby toys for old classic macs, just to amuse 
myself.

Anyone here has a copy of the last version of Runtime Revolution to support 
PowerPC based Macs running classic Mac OS?

I used to have a license for them, but I have no idea how to get that license, 
or how to get that software.

Best
Andre
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Re: scripted Show tooltip not a thing?

[Richmond via use-livecode]

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36647&p=211966#p211966

On 14.01.22 13:10, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:

Thanks all.

I scripted as if the delay was the duration the tooltip is displayed.  Duh!  Of 
course the delay is hover delay before the tooltip shows!  I knew that, and yet 
somehow didn’t know it at the same time.

Cheers

David G


On 11 Jan 2022, at 2:48 pm, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
 wrote:

You can do this. In a button script;

on mouseenter

set the tooltip of me to random(999)

end mouseenter


Now every time you move the cursor into that button, you get a new integer when 
you hover.

Craig


On Jan 11, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi David,


Am 11.01.2022 um 15:29 schrieb David Glasgow via use-livecode 
:

Hi folks

I have an app in which tooltips are generally off.  I also have a button menu 
which allows the selection of equality/inequelity.  Users are non technical, 
and on selection (i.e. not the usual hover) I wanted to pop up a brief tooltip 
describing the selected item in ordinary language (irrespective of whether 
tooltips are globally on or off):

on menuPick pChosenItem
set the label of me to pChosenitem
switch
case pChosenItem = "="
   set the tooltip of me to "Equals"
   break
case pChosenItem = "≤"
   set the tooltip of me to  “Is at least"
   break
case pChosenItem = "≅"
   set the tooltip of me to “Is approximately"
   break
end switch
set the tooltipdelay to 500
show the tooltip of me
set the tooltip delay to 0
end menuPick

It seems  show the tooltip of me isn’t a thing.  I appreciate that I could show 
and hide an ordinary field, but I wondered if I have overlooked a suitable 
message and/or syntax that will enable what I want.


Best Wishes,

David Glasgow

well, we cannot explicitely show a tooltip by script.
So "show the tooltup of me" will not work if it doesn't throw an error.

Problem in your script:
...
set the tooltipdelay to 500
## from this point the tooltip will appear in 500 millisecs
## show the tooltip of me

## but this will disable the tooltip again much EARLIER than the 500 millisecs!
## LC is too fast for this :-)
set the tooltip delay to 0
...


Best

Klaus



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Re: Search & Replace

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Aye, well, I stand corrected.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022, 23:07 Klaus major-k via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Richmond,
>
> > Am 12.01.2022 um 20:11 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Everyone has misunderstood my Q over here on the use-list.
> > Luckily Bernd, over in the Fora understood my Q perfectly, and because of
> > his help I was able to do what I wanted.
>
> in the forum you asked for the "Find and Replace STACK"!
> If you had mentioned STACK here in the mailing list, too, well... 8-)
>
> > Best, Richmond.
>
> >>>>>> I am trying to locate the Search & Replace dialog inwith the LC IDE
> >>>>>> but seem unable to . . .
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
>
>
> --
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> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
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Re: Search & Replace

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Everyone has misunderstood my Q over here on the use-list.

Luckily Bernd, over in the Fora understood my Q perfectly, and because of
his help I was able to do what I wanted.

Best, Richmond.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022, 21:06 Klaus major-k via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> > Am 12.01.2022 um 20:00 schrieb Craig Newman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > What Jacque said. If not on a Mac, it is in the “Edit” menu, “Find and
> Replace”.
>
> I saw in the forum that Richmond is looking for the "Find and Replace"
> STACK file,
> go figure. 8-)
>
> > Craig
> >
> >> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:44 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If you're in the script editor you'll see different menus and cmd-F
> will bring up the editor's Find which appears between the script and the
> variable pane.
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> On January 12, 2022 3:15:19 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Richmond,
> >>>
> >>>> Am 12.01.2022 um 10:08 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> I am trying to locate the Search & Replace dialog inwith the LC IDE
> >>>> but seem unable to . . .
> >>>
> >>> new to LC? 8-)
> >>>
> >>> Last item in menu -> Edit
> >>> Or CMD-F.
> >>>
> >>>> Best, Richmond.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
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Search & Replace

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I am trying to locate the Search & Replace dialog inwith the LC IDE
but seem unable to . . .

Best, Richmond.

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Re: How to detect when the user moves a stack

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remember to 'toplevel' you substack.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021, 12:29 jbv via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Klaus,
>
> Yes it works, thank you for the tip.
> Oddly I forgot about the "movestack" message, probably because it
> doesn't appear in the list of available messages when I open the stack
> script in LC 8...
>
> jbv
>
> Le 2021-12-15 05:17, Klaus major-k via use-livecode a écrit :
> > Hi jbv,
> >
> >> Am 15.12.2021 um 11:02 schrieb jbv via use-livecode
> >> :
> >>
> >> Hi list,
> >> How can I detect when the user moves a stack around the screen by
> >> clicking on the top bar while leaving the mouse down ?
> >> Here's my problem : I have a main stack calling a modal stack that
> >> displays information in real time while some client / server dialog is
> >> running. When the modal stack opens, it is located at the loc of the
> >> main stack. But if the user moves the main stack, the modal stack
> >> stays at the same place, and I would like it to move accordingly and
> >> remain at the loc of the main stack, no matter where the user moves
> >> the main stack.
> >> At least this is happening in the IDE, I haven't built a standalone
> >> yet.
> >
> > usually you could check the "movestack" message, but I'm not sure if
> > the MODAL stack
> > will not block any actions? Can't you use a "system window" instaed if
> > that is the problem?
> >
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >> jbv
> >
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Re: How to extract whole text from a PDF file with the PDF

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The consequences are endless.

On 12.12.21 21:33, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Stam Kapetanakis wrote:

> i presume the pdf widget in pro is the opensource xpdfReader but
> don’t know for sure.

If it is that would be problematic, as the open source edition of 
xpdfReader is licensed under GPL, and LC no longer has an edition 
compatible with GPL.





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Re: Control of Text Fields.

[Richmond via use-livecode]

It's a new one to me as well.

Richmond.

On 10.11.21 16:28, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

"focusedObject" - wow, who knew ?  :-)

So it's been helpful for me.
(Some day I really will read the dictionary thoroughly).

Alex.

On 10/11/2021 03:38, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Alex and Richmond,

This discussion has been very helpful. Thank you! Please see my 
latest post on the forums where I offer my Formulator stack that 
seems to work, partly I think because I don’t lock the text of the 
multiple fields in my stack. Who woulda thunk?


https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36444 
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36444>


Cheers,

Roger


On Nov 7, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
 wrote:



On 07/11/2021 11:36, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:

No hard feelings.

See what I have got up to over on the Forums, and

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36444

PLEASE, feel free to pull the thing to bits.

I don't want to "pull the thing to bits". Like you, I enjoy seeing 
"competing" multitude of ways to do things - I can learn from them all.


But I did have a quick look, so I'll just point out a small number 
of nitpicks.


1. the whole 'locktext' thing is weird, and causes various anomalies.
When I first open the stack, and click in the field, I can type 
digits and have them appear in the field, as you'd expect. But once 
I've clicked on an 'arrow-emulator' the field becomes locked and one 
can no longer type in characters. Clicking *outside* the field will 
then free it up again, so typing becomes possible.


2. disappearing iBeam.

If I position the ibeam in the middle of the text in the field, and 
use one of the arrow emulator buttons, the iBeam moves properly - 
but then disappears (perhaps when the 'locktext' is set true).


3. incorrect entry position.

As in 2 above, although the ibeam was last seen in the correct place 
after using the ">" button to move it to the right, if I then click 
on a digit button, that digit appears at the end of the field, not 
where it should have gone


4. Incorrect arrow key emulation (same problem as I mentioned in the 
previous email).


If you select a chunk of text in the field, then use the left-arrow 
emulator button, the ibeam is positioned before the *last* character 
of the selection, instead of before the first.



There were a couple of others, omitted for brevity. I've created a 
modified version your stack with my suggested handlers, and will 
attempt to upload it to the forum later.


Then there was another issue which I haven't tackled - it would mean 
changing lots of very similar tiny scripts, and is too tedious.


5. character input should replace any selection

Just like in a regular field, if there is an active selection, 
typing a character (or clicking a digit button, should *replace* it, 
not simply add the newly typed (or clicked) digit.



I've taken my earlier handler suggestion, and broken the bits of 
code out into individual button scripts, which removes the apparent 
complexity that you disliked earlier. As far as I know, no problems 
have yet been found with that approach. As one example, the code for 
left-arrow emulator would be



  on mouseUp
    focus on field "fWORK"
    put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tFirst
    put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tLast
    select before char (min(tFirst, tLast)) of fld "fWORK"
end mouseUp

I've uploaded this revised version on the forum thread.

Best wishes,  Alex



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Clicking around . . .

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Well . . . this is a sort of side-effect at my fooling around with 
calculators:


If I have a field on a card that has the lockText set to true and
I click outwith the stack that lockText is set to false . . .

I feel this should NOT happen:

Probably because if I click outside a LibreOffice document, a GIMP 
document or a TextEdit document


(the 3 apps I use most often apart from LiveCode)

that click does NOT affect those documents at all.

Richmond.

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Re: Control of Text Fields.

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No hard feelings.

See what I have got up to over on the Forums, and

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36444

PLEASE, feel free to pull the thing to bits.

Love, Richmond.

On 7.11.21 13:20, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


On 07/11/2021 09:01, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
I did not mean "competing" in the sense of "b*gger you", I meant it 
in the

sense of healthy competition.


Yeah, so did I.

And if it came across any other way, then I wholeheartedly apologise.

Sorry Richmond.

Alex.


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Re: Control of Text Fields.

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I did not mean "competing" in the sense of "b*gger you", I meant it in the
sense of healthy competition.

"But having said that:  your "left-arrow' emulation gets it wrong if 
there is a chunk selection active."


Quite possible as I spent about 15 minutes on that yesterday between 
raking up dead leaves,
drilling through the metal head of a broken rake to screw it onto a 
wooden handle, and a whole
slew of other things such as talking to my son in Lilongwe re setting up 
discarded PCs out
there (Malawi) with Xubuntu and a programming suite that has recently 
been effectively abandoned.


I have a sackload of kids writing that has just arrived via Viber that 
has to be addressed:
after which I'll have a look at my "half cock job" and see if I can 
tweak it.


Richmond.

On 7.11.21 2:44, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


On 06/11/2021 19:04, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:

My competing version is now "up":

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36444&p=210241#p210241

Richmond.


Don't you mean "my cooperating version ..."; surely the use-list is 
about helpful cooperatin and collaborative suggestions, not about 
competing :-)



But having said that:  your "left-arrow' emulation gets it wrong if 
there is a chunk selection active.


left-arrow should position the iBeam to the left of the selection, 
while this code positions it to the left of the rightmost character of 
the selection.


Alex.



On 5.11.21 23:08, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


On 05/11/2021 20:18, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
Alex, I did not see that and it is not in my mailbox. Would you 
please send it again?


Thanks,
Roger


Here it is again, below.

Or download the sample stack at 
https://tweedly.org/downloads/calcbuttons.livecode


 - not as pretty as Richmond's, doesn't even have all the digits ...)

Previously I said:

Here's an expanded snippet. The input is in a field called "fInput", 
the buttons are all in a group, and handled by the group script 
(saves having many tiny almost identical scripts).


The script  uses the name of the target - but since I would never, 
ever have a control named as a number, the digit buttons use their 
label instead.


If the user cannot select a chunk of text then some of this could be 
shortened.




on mouseup
   if the target = me then
  -- click in the background in the group
  exit mouseup
   end if
   local tChunk
   focus on fld "fInput"
   put the selectedchunk into tChunk
   if the label of the target is a number then
  put the label of the target into the selectedchunk
  exit mouseUp
   end if
   local tFirst, tLast
   put word 2 of tChunk into tFirst
   put word 4 of tChunk into tLast
   switch the short name of the target
  case "go left"
 select before char (min(tFirst, tLast)) of fld "fInput"
 break
  case  "go right"
 select after char (max(tFirst, tLast)) of fld "fInput"
 break
  case "Del"
 -- remove the selection, or the char *after* the ibeam
 if tFirst <= tLast then
    put empty into char tFirst to tLast of fld "fInput"
 else
    put empty into char (tFirst) of fld "fInput"
 end if
 break
  case "BS"
 -- remove the selection, or the char *before* the ibeam
 if tFirst <= tLast then
    put empty into char tFirst to tLast of fld "fInput"
 else
    put empty into char (tFirst-1) of fld "fInput"
 end if
 break
 -- all the other keys !!
  default
   end switch
end mouseup


Alex.

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Re: Control of Text Fields.

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My competing version is now "up":

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36444&p=210241#p210241

Richmond.

On 5.11.21 23:08, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


On 05/11/2021 20:18, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
Alex, I did not see that and it is not in my mailbox. Would you 
please send it again?


Thanks,
Roger


Here it is again, below.

Or download the sample stack at 
https://tweedly.org/downloads/calcbuttons.livecode


 - not as pretty as Richmond's, doesn't even have all the digits ...)

Previously I said:

Here's an expanded snippet. The input is in a field called "fInput", 
the buttons are all in a group, and handled by the group script (saves 
having many tiny almost identical scripts).


The script  uses the name of the target - but since I would never, 
ever have a control named as a number, the digit buttons use their 
label instead.


If the user cannot select a chunk of text then some of this could be 
shortened.




on mouseup
   if the target = me then
  -- click in the background in the group
  exit mouseup
   end if
   local tChunk
   focus on fld "fInput"
   put the selectedchunk into tChunk
   if the label of the target is a number then
  put the label of the target into the selectedchunk
  exit mouseUp
   end if
   local tFirst, tLast
   put word 2 of tChunk into tFirst
   put word 4 of tChunk into tLast
   switch the short name of the target
  case "go left"
 select before char (min(tFirst, tLast)) of fld "fInput"
 break
  case  "go right"
 select after char (max(tFirst, tLast)) of fld "fInput"
 break
  case "Del"
 -- remove the selection, or the char *after* the ibeam
 if tFirst <= tLast then
    put empty into char tFirst to tLast of fld "fInput"
 else
    put empty into char (tFirst) of fld "fInput"
 end if
 break
  case "BS"
 -- remove the selection, or the char *before* the ibeam
 if tFirst <= tLast then
    put empty into char tFirst to tLast of fld "fInput"
 else
    put empty into char (tFirst-1) of fld "fInput"
 end if
 break
 -- all the other keys !!
  default
   end switch
end mouseup


Alex.

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Re: Control of Text Fields.

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On 5.11.21 20:37, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Very good, Richmond. It’s impressive how quickly you piss around! And, it’s 
close but no cigar . The arrow keys on the keyboard move the ibeam in a field 
w/o highlighting any text. And, the Delete key deletes the char in front of the 
iBeam.


Then, surely you want to implement the FORWARD delete key: 65535

I thought this would be easy to duplicate in LC, but maybe not??.

Why do I want to emulate these keys? Well at this point, It has become a 
challenge and I like challenges. BTW, the calculator that I am inspired to 
replicate is found in Mac Good Grapher which is bundled with the Mac. The Good 
Grapher Calculator has back and forward buttons and a Delete button that 
operate exactly as the keyboard ones

Thanks for playing with this,

Roger


On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Richmond via use-livecode 
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Pissed around a bit:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36444

Love, Richmond.

On 5.11.21 15:59, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I want them to do exactly the same thing that the keyboard keys do!! IOW, I 
want to emulate the delete key and the back and forward keys.

Roger


On Nov 5, 2021, at 12:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Surely the script depends on what you want those buttons to do.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:41 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Thanks, Alex. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. I’m building a calculator
stack with forward and back arrow buttons and a Delete button. What's the
script for these buttons?

Roger


On Nov 4, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Roger,

I'm not sure I properly understand your question.

here's a code snippet the moves the insertion point (in this sample,

typing an 'f' moves it forward, 'b' moves it back). (Note this also works
if there is some text selected - it moves the insertion to just after the
selection, just like the arrow key does).

on keydown p
   local t
   switch p
  case  "f"
 put word 4 of the selectedchunk into t
 select after char (t+1) of me
 break
  case "b"
 put word 2 of the selectedchunk into t
 select before char (t-1) of me
 break
   end  switch
end keydown

To then delete the char in front of it, you'd do something like

   put empty into char (t+1) of me

Hope that's close enough to what you were asking, or at least gives you

a starting place  :-),

Alex.

On 04/11/2021 20:49, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I simply want to be able to move the insertion iBeam in a focused field

left and right, one char at a time (just like the left and right arrows
keys), and then to delete the char in front of it (just like the Delete
key). The dictionary was again of no use to me. Can someone please provide
sample scripts?

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: Control of Text Fields.

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Pissed around a bit:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36444

Love, Richmond.

On 5.11.21 15:59, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I want them to do exactly the same thing that the keyboard keys do!! IOW, I 
want to emulate the delete key and the back and forward keys.

Roger


On Nov 5, 2021, at 12:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Surely the script depends on what you want those buttons to do.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:41 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Thanks, Alex. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. I’m building a calculator
stack with forward and back arrow buttons and a Delete button. What's the
script for these buttons?

Roger


On Nov 4, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Roger,

I'm not sure I properly understand your question.

here's a code snippet the moves the insertion point (in this sample,

typing an 'f' moves it forward, 'b' moves it back). (Note this also works
if there is some text selected - it moves the insertion to just after the
selection, just like the arrow key does).

on keydown p
   local t
   switch p
  case  "f"
 put word 4 of the selectedchunk into t
 select after char (t+1) of me
 break
  case "b"
 put word 2 of the selectedchunk into t
 select before char (t-1) of me
 break
   end  switch
end keydown

To then delete the char in front of it, you'd do something like

   put empty into char (t+1) of me

Hope that's close enough to what you were asking, or at least gives you

a starting place  :-),

Alex.

On 04/11/2021 20:49, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I simply want to be able to move the insertion iBeam in a focused field

left and right, one char at a time (just like the left and right arrows
keys), and then to delete the char in front of it (just like the Delete
key). The dictionary was again of no use to me. Can someone please provide
sample scripts?

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: Control of Text Fields.

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Why do you need to emulate them?

Will you NOT have access to a physical keyboard?

Here's the script of a stupid button to DELETE one number in
a calculator read-out:



Richmond.



On 5.11.21 15:59, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I want them to do exactly the same thing that the keyboard keys do!! IOW, I 
want to emulate the delete key and the back and forward keys.

Roger


On Nov 5, 2021, at 12:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Surely the script depends on what you want those buttons to do.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:41 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Thanks, Alex. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. I’m building a calculator
stack with forward and back arrow buttons and a Delete button. What's the
script for these buttons?

Roger


On Nov 4, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Roger,

I'm not sure I properly understand your question.

here's a code snippet the moves the insertion point (in this sample,

typing an 'f' moves it forward, 'b' moves it back). (Note this also works
if there is some text selected - it moves the insertion to just after the
selection, just like the arrow key does).

on keydown p
   local t
   switch p
  case  "f"
 put word 4 of the selectedchunk into t
 select after char (t+1) of me
 break
  case "b"
 put word 2 of the selectedchunk into t
 select before char (t-1) of me
 break
   end  switch
end keydown

To then delete the char in front of it, you'd do something like

   put empty into char (t+1) of me

Hope that's close enough to what you were asking, or at least gives you

a starting place  :-),

Alex.

On 04/11/2021 20:49, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I simply want to be able to move the insertion iBeam in a focused field

left and right, one char at a time (just like the left and right arrows
keys), and then to delete the char in front of it (just like the Delete
key). The dictionary was again of no use to me. Can someone please provide
sample scripts?

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: Control of Text Fields.

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I am sorry for that misunderstanding: I had a fairly fixed idea of what
constituted a calculator in my head, and what you seem to want with your 
back, forward and delete keys seems more

"word-processory".

Richmond.

On 5.11.21 15:59, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I want them to do exactly the same thing that the keyboard keys do!! IOW, I 
want to emulate the delete key and the back and forward keys.

Roger


On Nov 5, 2021, at 12:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Surely the script depends on what you want those buttons to do.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:41 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Thanks, Alex. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. I’m building a calculator
stack with forward and back arrow buttons and a Delete button. What's the
script for these buttons?

Roger


On Nov 4, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Roger,

I'm not sure I properly understand your question.

here's a code snippet the moves the insertion point (in this sample,

typing an 'f' moves it forward, 'b' moves it back). (Note this also works
if there is some text selected - it moves the insertion to just after the
selection, just like the arrow key does).

on keydown p
   local t
   switch p
  case  "f"
 put word 4 of the selectedchunk into t
 select after char (t+1) of me
 break
  case "b"
 put word 2 of the selectedchunk into t
 select before char (t-1) of me
 break
   end  switch
end keydown

To then delete the char in front of it, you'd do something like

   put empty into char (t+1) of me

Hope that's close enough to what you were asking, or at least gives you

a starting place  :-),

Alex.

On 04/11/2021 20:49, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I simply want to be able to move the insertion iBeam in a focused field

left and right, one char at a time (just like the left and right arrows
keys), and then to delete the char in front of it (just like the Delete
key). The dictionary was again of no use to me. Can someone please provide
sample scripts?

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: Control of Text Fields.

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Surely the script depends on what you want those buttons to do.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:41 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Alex. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. I’m building a calculator
> stack with forward and back arrow buttons and a Delete button. What's the
> script for these buttons?
>
> Roger
>
> > On Nov 4, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Roger,
> >
> > I'm not sure I properly understand your question.
> >
> > here's a code snippet the moves the insertion point (in this sample,
> typing an 'f' moves it forward, 'b' moves it back). (Note this also works
> if there is some text selected - it moves the insertion to just after the
> selection, just like the arrow key does).
> >
> >> on keydown p
> >>local t
> >>switch p
> >>   case  "f"
> >>  put word 4 of the selectedchunk into t
> >>  select after char (t+1) of me
> >>  break
> >>   case "b"
> >>  put word 2 of the selectedchunk into t
> >>  select before char (t-1) of me
> >>  break
> >>end  switch
> >> end keydown
> > To then delete the char in front of it, you'd do something like
> >
> >put empty into char (t+1) of me
> >
> > Hope that's close enough to what you were asking, or at least gives you
> a starting place  :-),
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On 04/11/2021 20:49, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
> >> I simply want to be able to move the insertion iBeam in a focused field
> left and right, one char at a time (just like the left and right arrows
> keys), and then to delete the char in front of it (just like the Delete
> key). The dictionary was again of no use to me. Can someone please provide
> sample scripts?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roger
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Re: Lemniscate Polygon

[Richmond via use-livecode]

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36429

Richmond.

On 3.11.21 9:29, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Roger,

On 2021-11-02 22:27, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Dear List,

Bernd has produced an absolutely beautiful animation using a
Lemniskate polygon that was previously provided by Hermann Hoch. Can
anyone provide some help on how to create this polygon mathematically?
Since the equation for a Lemniskate involves the SqRt of negative
numbers, which is not allowed in LC, I am stumped.

You can find Bernd’s animation here:
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36412
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36412>


In general lemniscates are defined as the roots of a specific kind of 
quartic (power four) polynomials of the pattern:


    (x^2 + y^2)^2 - cx^2 - dy^2 = 0

So the algorithms for solving them you are probably finding are more 
general 'quartic polynomial' solvers - just like solving quadratic 
equations, the full set of solutions can only be computed if you flip 
into the complex plane (i.e. where sqrt(-1) exists) rather than the 
real plane.


However, there is at least one type of Lemniscate for which there is a 
nice parametric form - Bernoulli's lemniscate, which is a slightly 
simpler equation:


    (x^2 + y^2)^2 - 2a^2(x^2 - y^2) = 0

According to https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Lemniscate.html, this can 
be parameterized as:


    x = (a * cos(t)) / (1 + sin(t)^2)

    y = (a * sin(t) * cos(t)) / (1 + sin(t)^2)

Its not clear what the range of t is from the article, but I suspect 
it will be -pi <= t <= pi (or any 2*pi length range).


So a simple repeat loop where N is the number of steps you want to 
take, and A is the 'scale' of the lemniscate should give you the 
points you want:


    repeat with t = -pi to pi step (2*pi / N)
   put A * cos(t) / (1 + sin(t)^2) into X
   put A * sin(t) * cos(t) / (1 + sin(t)^2) into Y
   put X, Y & return after POINTS
    end repeat

Warmest Regards,

Mark.




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Re: Lemniscate Polygon

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Hmm: didn't like

putA * cos(t) / (1 + sin(t)^2) intoX

at all.

Mainly because A had not been defined . . .


OK: all hunky-dory with  put 200 into A

Richmond


On 3.11.21 9:29, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Roger,

On 2021-11-02 22:27, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Dear List,

Bernd has produced an absolutely beautiful animation using a
Lemniskate polygon that was previously provided by Hermann Hoch. Can
anyone provide some help on how to create this polygon mathematically?
Since the equation for a Lemniskate involves the SqRt of negative
numbers, which is not allowed in LC, I am stumped.

You can find Bernd’s animation here:
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36412
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36412>


In general lemniscates are defined as the roots of a specific kind of 
quartic (power four) polynomials of the pattern:


    (x^2 + y^2)^2 - cx^2 - dy^2 = 0

So the algorithms for solving them you are probably finding are more 
general 'quartic polynomial' solvers - just like solving quadratic 
equations, the full set of solutions can only be computed if you flip 
into the complex plane (i.e. where sqrt(-1) exists) rather than the 
real plane.


However, there is at least one type of Lemniscate for which there is a 
nice parametric form - Bernoulli's lemniscate, which is a slightly 
simpler equation:


    (x^2 + y^2)^2 - 2a^2(x^2 - y^2) = 0

According to https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Lemniscate.html, this can 
be parameterized as:


    x = (a * cos(t)) / (1 + sin(t)^2)

    y = (a * sin(t) * cos(t)) / (1 + sin(t)^2)

Its not clear what the range of t is from the article, but I suspect 
it will be -pi <= t <= pi (or any 2*pi length range).


So a simple repeat loop where N is the number of steps you want to 
take, and A is the 'scale' of the lemniscate should give you the 
points you want:


    repeat with t = -pi to pi step (2*pi / N)
   put A * cos(t) / (1 + sin(t)^2) into X
   put A * sin(t) * cos(t) / (1 + sin(t)^2) into Y
   put X, Y & return after POINTS
    end repeat

Warmest Regards,

Mark.


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Re: OT: Facebook -> Meta (Damaged Infinity!)

[Richmond via use-livecode]

META

Making Easy To Abandon

Mainly Eaten Towards the Afternoon

Richmond.

On 2.11.21 20:28, Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode wrote:

I think this needs to be a contest…


MarkW wrote:
 From a Boingboing user comment...

META: Making Evil Totally Acceptable

Jeff

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Forums taking the weekend off

[Richmond via use-livecode]

The Forums seem to have "gone west" about 10 minutes ago.

Richmond.

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Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I fell off my chair laughing.

What a lovely post.

Richmond.

On 28.10.21 13:34, KOOB via use-livecode wrote:

Hi

Here is what I do
Rotate your keyboard 90 degrees
Press the 8 key
Rotate yours monitor 90 degrees
Repeat
It took me forever to figure that out.

Martin Koob


Sent from my iPad


On Oct 27, 2021, at 8:10 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
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I didn't know the keystroke for infinity.

Bob S

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Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I very much doubt whether anyone round these parts has ever doubted the 
integrity of the

people who work for LC Ltd.

But that should not blind one in other respects.

There have been consequences of the recent decision to drop support for
an Open Source version of LiveCode: some seemingly positive and some
seemingly negative, and all that will be borne out in good time.

There is also an large difference, as I attempted to point out, between
mud-slinging and a reasonable discussion about what these consequences
might be, how they might affect LC Ltd, the programming "thing" we all
know and love, and us as people who program computers.

My posting was precipitated by someone who did "sling mud" in a way
that would put most people off: and slang mud with no obvious
support or justification. I asked for clarification on several of those
"lumps of mud" (scriptEditor, dictionary, palettes) and go no
explanation back whatsoever: this makes me wonder how, without
any explanations that person expected those "lumps of mud" to stick,
and because of that, the whole exercise just looked like spite on their 
behalf.


"Thank heavens" does not seem as black-and-white as all that to all
people, and, Yes, a bit of self-examination re one's motivations is
quite healthy on occasion, but so it should be for LC Ltd. as well.

I have used LiveCode for something near to 20 years now, and as anyone who
is not daft knows, have had a "very odd" relationship with the people at
LC Ltd. How much of that is that I'm a "bit odd", how much of it is that 
they

are not geared up to cope with "odd" people like me, and so on and so forth
I really don't know. But I can say that they have always been very kind and
remarkably tolerant to some of my "odder oddnesses" all things
considered.

As anyone who is "rocking around" the Forums can see, at the moment, I am
attempting to contribute 'my bit' by showing how readily LiveCode can be
used to fulfill large parts of the English and Scottish computing curricula
( and, by extension, those of other countries), and I do hope, that after
some of the "dust" has settled . . .

Richmond.

On 28.10.21 13:20, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode wrote:

Thank heavens this policy change has finally come.  Baseless  accusations
can end up affecting perception. Surrounded by negative criticism one can
actually blame LC for defects that exist in oneself.  It has happened to
me, where I've tracked down the defect in my own work just before I was
going to write to the list and complain about a defect in LC. IMO the Forum
is even worse for this behaviour.  I think it's a product of the way Forum
software works.  People can search for something (not necessarily intending
any malice), and in their search uncover some past series of complaints,
and resurrect past complaints which again become the focus of the people
using the Forum.

That's not to say there are no defects. There's no software on the planet
that has no defects. I have had problems where I have been unable to
provide a recipe for a bug report. I simply couldn't detect a reproducible
pattern (and sometimes it appears no-one else has seen a particular
defect). But I understand the absolute necessity for a bug report to have a
reproducible recipe. In these cases I have to patient, committed and cast
my net of investigation further until I can find a reproducible pattern and
it might take weeks or months before a pattern emerges.

The one thing I've never doubted is the integrity of the people who work
for LC Ltd.

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 1:00 PM Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Dear List Folks,

This list is intended for users to help each other in the use of LiveCode.
Sometimes LC staff get involved and help out here also. It can be a great
place to constructively discuss improvements. It is not a place to take
potshots at each other, at LiveCode or at LiveCode staff. In the future, if
a list member is perceived to be doing this by myself or by a reasonable
set of other list members, they will be banned.

For the avoidance of doubt, by taking potshots I mean:

Accusations of untruths, lying or lack of integrity
Persistently pointing out flaws in LiveCode without any positive
suggestions on resolution
Namecalling of any kind
General rudeness - please re-read your post before sending and check it
for tone

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What everyone is not entitled to do
is express unfounded negative opinions about LiveCode and its staff on this
list, which is run by LiveCode, for LiveCode, and for the benefit of
LiveCode's users.

I trust I make myself clear. This warning will not be repeated.

Warmest Regards,

Heather


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Re: AW: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Richmond via use-livecode]

"Building trust" . . . Yes, well, humph.

On 27.10.21 14:06, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks it was only supposed to be known by a
few LC users but someone let the cat out of the bag. ;) Building trust in
the brand :D I went back through all my Survey Monkey requests and checked
out my SM account. No indication of opting out ever.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 11:47, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I have a feeling that the whole thing was a chimaera that disappeared
almost as soon
as it was mooted.

Certainly, without any indications to the opposite from LC centre I feel
that is the
way we should behave.

Richmond.

On 27.10.21 12:58, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote:

I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got

three other livecode newsletters in October.

Tiemo


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Re: AW: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I have a feeling that the whole thing was a chimaera that disappeared 
almost as soon

as it was mooted.

Certainly, without any indications to the opposite from LC centre I feel 
that is the

way we should behave.

Richmond.

On 27.10.21 12:58, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote:

I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got three 
other livecode newsletters in October.

Tiemo

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von Devin 
Asay via use-livecode
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Oktober 2021 20:03
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Devin Asay 
Betreff: Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

I didn’t receive it either.

- Devin


On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
 wrote:

@Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. @Jacque 
and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will try and 
ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm am out of 
time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close this survey 
quickly. We want plenty of input.

Best Regards to all,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
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Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly
checked any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions?
There is not a chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to
stop sending me random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
Sean

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It
does not tell me when or how.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:



Come on, how should Matthias know?

He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 🙄

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Re: [OT] Multiple macOS recommendation sought

[Richmond via use-livecode]

That involves quite a capital outlay, and as long as you can justify 
that in terms of business and

remuneration, super.

I am not so set up, either business wise or in any other way.

What I DO know is that the "Mac world" post MacOS 9 seems to fracture 
along several lines:


PPC (probably not worth bothering on that any more) . . . 10.5

Intel 32-bit only (probably not worth bothering on that any more) . . . 
10.6.8


Intel Pre-10.9

10.9 - 10.14

Post 10.14

I would tend to concentrate on the last 2 sections: so you really only 
need 2 machines.


On 27.10.21 3:37, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Paul,

Several years ago - 6-8-10 years ago? Not sure when - I left VMs 
behind in favor of minimally-configured actual hardware. I have a 
couple of Windows laptops but almost never use them now. My main 
development world consists of 4 Mac minis of various ages (all Intel 
or M1) and a couple of 2015 MBP laptops (and 2 iPads). Each machine 
has an external drive used by Time Machine, so I can restore my work 
as needed. I use Screen Sharing to manage things on multiple computers 
from a single keyboard/display/mouse and it works great for my 
purposes. I confess, I don't normally reinstall the OSes except for 
upgrades to the next version if needed (e.g. High Sierra to Mojave); I 
just keep them current with Apple updates and have never had a dev 
issue that damaged the OS.


Obviously my setup doesn't cover every macOS version, but my selected 
hardware+OS combos have been very adequate for my needs. And for me, 
it helps to have a LAN whose physical and conceptual topologies are 
the same. It helps clarify problem sources in a client/server system I 
maintain.


Hope this helps -
Phil Davis


On 10/26/21 2:08 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
A problem I have struggled with for decades is software testing on 
the various versions of operating systems our software deploys on.


For testing on Windows, we use Virtualbox with Virtual Machines (VMs) 
for Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 (we have yet to try to 
build a Windows 11 VM)


For macOS we have tried a multi-boot system, a mac Mini with hard 
disks partitions to boot to OSX 10.9, 10.10, 10.11, 10.12, 10.13, and 
10.14 (Mojave). We tried a partition for 10.15 Catalina, but were 
were already experience problems switching between boot partitions 
where the Mini would forget what Startup disk it should boot from. 
When we added Catalina, the problem became worse, trying to go from 
Catalina to an older OS on reboot or vice versa would fail.


So we tried a Mojave (10.14) laptop with Virtualbox and build a 
Catalina VM. This worked well for Catalina testing. We like VMs for 
the ability to reset to a snapshot or to clone them. We added a Big 
Sur VM, but playing video does not work in the VM and Virtualbox's 
latest release has not fixed this and macOS VMs are not really 
supported, even on mac hardware. We just tried a Monterey VM and it 
is unstable. It will crash and reboot after a random amount of time.


Some sort of virtual machine is very appealing because of the ability 
to restore the machine to a snapshot after testing or to clone it. If 
testing messes something up, you can always get back to a known state 
without rebuilding a computer.


What have other people's experiences been? Does anyone have a more 
stable, easier solution?


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Re: Number of items

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Not as obvious as it seems as with MacOS you can reset many function 
keys, for

some odd reason you cannot assign another key to do the "fN" thing.

On 26.10.21 17:10, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:

Richmond wrote:


Not unless you have a fN key to start with.


Obvs :D
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Re: Number of items

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Not unless you have a fN key to start with.

On 26.10.21 15:59, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:

Apparently, you can get to it with fn-E as well.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 13:57, Sean Cole  wrote:


On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 01:52, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


It’s all in the Character Viewer, on the Mac -- Control/Command/Space.

Peter


OMG! That's wonderful. Where's this shortcut been all my life :D


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