Re: ... in iOS 13....
The only thing what I don't like about the update policy of Apple is you cannot use new apps from the Store if you cannot update to a new iOS version without buying new hardware from Apple (esp. iPad's). And yes, the costs of the same specs of Apple hardware compared to PC hardware are still 2 or 3 times more BUT the advantage is that you can run iOS and Windows natively on the same machine. Since the introduction of Apple's T2 Security Chip it isn't possible to boot Linux on new Apple hardware like the 2018 MacBook Pro and Mac Mini anymore as far as I know. Furthermore, because of bad experiences upgrading macOS's in the past, I don't upgrade to a the newest macOS version if there is no need for. It has saved me a lot of frustrations... But I am not an advocate, I both like to work on Apple (macOS) and PC (Windows/Linux) machines. On 20/10/2019, 11:18, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" wrote: What's unfair about it. Don't be offended. It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, they have also good things. It's just an opinion. I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this list than i see about Windows or Linux or Android. And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards compatible. (for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike pour over it) A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is because they want to show off that they can afford it, not of the reason that it would be better or easier. I also understand that they want to close 32bit and move on, except many customer are not ready. But slowly moving on. If people want it it's ok, but i see a lot of hassle that i choose not to go for. Op 19-10-2019 om 22:36 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode: > Jjs > > That’s an unfair statement, especially based on topic. It is quite likely it is only a tiny update for Monte to fix. My experience says that ALL OS systems/devices break bar none unless they don’t update at all and stay stagnant. So which system do you prefer JJS? And remember only to mention one that is completely infallible and never likely to break. Id especially love to know a device name that is completely 100% future proof I can pitch to my customers. As yet, the ‘most’ reliable I have found from a whole heap of testing and long term experience are iPad Pro and Macs. Even my ipad2 is shockingly more reliable than any of my top end Samsung tabs (unless I strip them right down and use custom OS). > > To confirm, I’m not offended or upset. I just think the comment was unfair and exaggerated. They break for sure, but not to the extent to ‘refuse’ it. Roids way of avoiding breaking is to only offer minor device OS updates and expect you to bin old devices after a couple of years (apposed to the 6-8years for Apple). > > Peace. > > Sean Cole > Pi Digital Prod Ltd > >> On 19 Oct 2019, at 16:57, Jjs via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Who still wants Apple or iOs, everything breaks with them. They never heard of backwards compatibility. If someone wants Apple or iOs, just refuse it. To much hassle, and costs to much. > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ... in iOS 13....
Yes, I think you are right. I just dive into it after a long time but that seems indeed the problem. As you know, running macOS from Hackintosh’s, Security Boot must be disabled so as SIP (because of patching during boot). I have not test yet to install Linux on my MacBook Pro though. OT: An interesting thread about running Catalina on older Mac’s can be found here: https://macandegg.com/2019/07/macos-catalina-patcher-10-15-on-old-macs/ incase people want to install it on Mac ‘s before mid 2012. From: JJS Date: Sunday, 20 October 2019 at 12:52 To: Erik Beugelaar , How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: ... in iOS 13 It seems that when Secure Boot and SIP is disabled, then using Refind https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html as bootloader you can get Linux working too. I saw some discussions about the T2 and issues when powering off, unplug power cable seems to trigger something. https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/discussion/general/thread/1475e30077/ Op 20-10-2019 om 11:40 schreef Erik Beugelaar: The only thing what I don't like about the update policy of Apple is you cannot use new apps from the Store if you cannot update to a new iOS version without buying new hardware from Apple (esp. iPad's). And yes, the costs of the same specs of Apple hardware compared to PC hardware are still 2 or 3 times more BUT the advantage is that you can run iOS and Windows natively on the same machine. Since the introduction of Apple's T2 Security Chip it isn't possible to boot Linux on new Apple hardware like the 2018 MacBook Pro and Mac Mini anymore as far as I know. Furthermore, because of bad experiences upgrading macOS's in the past, I don't upgrade to a the newest macOS version if there is no need for. It has saved me a lot of frustrations... But I am not an advocate, I both like to work on Apple (macOS) and PC (Windows/Linux) machines. On 20/10/2019, 11:18, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" wrote: What's unfair about it. Don't be offended. It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, they have also good things. It's just an opinion. I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this list than i see about Windows or Linux or Android. And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards compatible. (for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike pour over it) A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is because they want to show off that they can afford it, not of the reason that it would be better or easier. I also understand that they want to close 32bit and move on, except many customer are not ready. But slowly moving on. If people want it it's ok, but i see a lot of hassle that i choose not to go for. Op 19-10-2019 om 22:36 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode: > Jjs > > That’s an unfair statement, especially based on topic. It is quite likely it is only a tiny update for Monte to fix. My experience says that ALL OS systems/devices break bar none unless they don’t update at all and stay stagnant. So which system do you prefer JJS? And remember only to mention one that is completely infallible and never likely to break. Id especially love to know a device name that is completely 100% future proof I can pitch to my customers. As yet, the ‘most’ reliable I have found from a whole heap of testing and long term experience are iPad Pro and Macs. Even my ipad2 is shockingly more reliable than any of my top end Samsung tabs (unless I strip them right down and use custom OS). > > To confirm, I’m not offended or upset. I just think the comment was unfair and exaggerated. They break for sure, but not to the extent to ‘refuse’ it. Roids way of avoiding breaking is to only offer minor device OS updates and expect you to bin old devices after a couple of years (apposed to the 6-8years for Apple). > > Peace. > > Sean Cole > Pi Digital Prod Ltd > >> On 19 Oct 2019, at 16:57, Jjs via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Who still wants Apple or iOs, everything breaks with them. They never heard of backwards compatibility. If someone wants Apple or iOs, just refuse it. To much hassle, and costs to much. > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
Re: ... in iOS 13....
Folks: I have a bit of a worry about the Apple Catalina update. I want to keep a bootable copy of the latest Mojave OS on an external disc. That way I can run any older 32 bit programs I might need. However, I have a backup program (Tri-Backup) that says it can’t make a bootable drive because of Apple security. That has raised a bit of a red flag to me. Currently, I use SuperDuper to make a bootable backup. SuperDuper isn’t updated for Catalina yet, it seems. What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings won’t allow booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my option of having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software. Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being paranoid (totally justifiably). Best, Bill William A. Prothero Santa Barbara, CA. 93105 http://earthlearningsolutions.org/ > On Oct 20, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Yes, I think you are right. I just dive into it after a long time but that > seems indeed the problem. As you know, running macOS from Hackintosh’s, > Security Boot must be disabled so as SIP (because of patching during boot). I > have not test yet to install Linux on my MacBook Pro though. > > > > OT: An interesting thread about running Catalina on older Mac’s can be found > here: https://macandegg.com/2019/07/macos-catalina-patcher-10-15-on-old-macs/ > incase people want to install it on Mac ‘s before mid 2012. > > > > > > From: JJS > Date: Sunday, 20 October 2019 at 12:52 > To: Erik Beugelaar , How to use LiveCode > > Subject: Re: ... in iOS 13 > > > > It seems that when Secure Boot and SIP is disabled, then using Refind > https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html as bootloader you can get Linux > working too. > > I saw some discussions about the T2 and issues when powering off, unplug > power cable seems to trigger something. > > https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/discussion/general/thread/1475e30077/ > > Op 20-10-2019 om 11:40 schreef Erik Beugelaar: > The only thing what I don't like about the update policy of Apple is you > cannot use new apps from the Store if you cannot update to a new iOS version > without buying new hardware from Apple (esp. iPad's). > And yes, the costs of the same specs of Apple hardware compared to PC > hardware are still 2 or 3 times more BUT the advantage is that you can run > iOS and Windows natively on the same machine. Since the introduction of > Apple's T2 Security Chip it isn't possible to boot Linux on new Apple > hardware like the 2018 MacBook Pro and Mac Mini anymore as far as I know. > Furthermore, because of bad experiences upgrading macOS's in the past, I > don't upgrade to a the newest macOS version if there is no need for. It has > saved me a lot of frustrations... > But I am not an advocate, I both like to work on Apple (macOS) and PC > (Windows/Linux) machines. > > On 20/10/2019, 11:18, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > What's unfair about it. Don't be offended. > > It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, they > have also good things. It's just an opinion. > > I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this list > than i see about Windows or Linux or Android. > > And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards compatible. > (for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike pour > over it) > > A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is because they > want to show off that they can afford it, not of the reason that it > would be better or easier. > > I also understand that they want to close 32bit and move on, except many > customer are not ready. But slowly moving on. > > If people want it it's ok, but i see a lot of hassle that i choose not > to go for. > > > Op 19-10-2019 om 22:36 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode: > > Jjs > > > > That’s an unfair statement, especially based on topic. It is quite > likely it is only a tiny update for Monte to fix. My experience says that ALL > OS systems/devices break bar none unless they don’t update at all and stay > stagnant. So which system do you prefer JJS? And remember only to mention one > that is completely infallible and never likely to break. Id especially love > to know a device name that is completely 100% future proof I can pitch to my > customers. As yet, the ‘most’ reliable I have found from a whole heap
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Folks: I have a bit of a worry about the Apple Catalina update. I want to keep a bootable copy of the latest Mojave OS on an external disc. That way I can run any older 32 bit programs I might need. However, I have a backup program (Tri-Backup) that says it can’t make a bootable drive because of Apple security. That has raised a bit of a red flag to me. Currently, I use SuperDuper to make a bootable backup. SuperDuper isn’t updated for Catalina yet, it seems. What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings won’t allow booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my option of having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software. Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being paranoid (totally justifiably). Best, Bill PS: sorry if this is a duplicate. > On Oct 20, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Yes, I think you are right. I just dive into it after a long time but that > seems indeed the problem. As you know, running macOS from Hackintosh’s, > Security Boot must be disabled so as SIP (because of patching during boot). I > have not test yet to install Linux on my MacBook Pro though. > > > > OT: An interesting thread about running Catalina on older Mac’s can be found > here: https://macandegg.com/2019/07/macos-catalina-patcher-10-15-on-old-macs/ > incase people want to install it on Mac ‘s before mid 2012. > > > > > > From: JJS > Date: Sunday, 20 October 2019 at 12:52 > To: Erik Beugelaar , How to use LiveCode > > Subject: Re: ... in iOS 13 > > > > It seems that when Secure Boot and SIP is disabled, then using Refind > https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html as bootloader you can get Linux > working too. > > I saw some discussions about the T2 and issues when powering off, unplug > power cable seems to trigger something. > > https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/discussion/general/thread/1475e30077/ > > Op 20-10-2019 om 11:40 schreef Erik Beugelaar: > The only thing what I don't like about the update policy of Apple is you > cannot use new apps from the Store if you cannot update to a new iOS version > without buying new hardware from Apple (esp. iPad's). > And yes, the costs of the same specs of Apple hardware compared to PC > hardware are still 2 or 3 times more BUT the advantage is that you can run > iOS and Windows natively on the same machine. Since the introduction of > Apple's T2 Security Chip it isn't possible to boot Linux on new Apple > hardware like the 2018 MacBook Pro and Mac Mini anymore as far as I know. > Furthermore, because of bad experiences upgrading macOS's in the past, I > don't upgrade to a the newest macOS version if there is no need for. It has > saved me a lot of frustrations... > But I am not an advocate, I both like to work on Apple (macOS) and PC > (Windows/Linux) machines. > > On 20/10/2019, 11:18, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > What's unfair about it. Don't be offended. > > It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, they > have also good things. It's just an opinion. > > I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this list > than i see about Windows or Linux or Android. > > And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards compatible. > (for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike pour > over it) > > A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is because they > want to show off that they can afford it, not of the reason that it > would be better or easier. > > I also understand that they want to close 32bit and move on, except many > customer are not ready. But slowly moving on. > > If people want it it's ok, but i see a lot of hassle that i choose not > to go for. > > > Op 19-10-2019 om 22:36 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode: > > Jjs > > > > That’s an unfair statement, especially based on topic. It is quite > likely it is only a tiny update for Monte to fix. My experience says that ALL > OS systems/devices break bar none unless they don’t update at all and stay > stagnant. So which system do you prefer JJS? And remember only to mention one > that is completely infallible and never likely to break. Id especially love > to know a device name that is completely 100% future proof I can pitch to my > customers. As yet, the ‘most’ reliable I have found from a whole heap of > testing and long term experience are i
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Bill, I haven't tried yet but this link will help you maybe: https://www.howtoisolve.com/dual-boot-mac-install-macos-catalina-macos-mojave-two-macos-on-different-partition/ Regards, Erik On 20/10/2019, 19:13, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero via use-livecode" wrote: Folks: I have a bit of a worry about the Apple Catalina update. I want to keep a bootable copy of the latest Mojave OS on an external disc. That way I can run any older 32 bit programs I might need. However, I have a backup program (Tri-Backup) that says it can’t make a bootable drive because of Apple security. That has raised a bit of a red flag to me. Currently, I use SuperDuper to make a bootable backup. SuperDuper isn’t updated for Catalina yet, it seems. What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings won’t allow booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my option of having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software. Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being paranoid (totally justifiably). Best, Bill PS: sorry if this is a duplicate. > On Oct 20, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode wrote: > > Yes, I think you are right. I just dive into it after a long time but that seems indeed the problem. As you know, running macOS from Hackintosh’s, Security Boot must be disabled so as SIP (because of patching during boot). I have not test yet to install Linux on my MacBook Pro though. > > > > OT: An interesting thread about running Catalina on older Mac’s can be found here: https://macandegg.com/2019/07/macos-catalina-patcher-10-15-on-old-macs/ incase people want to install it on Mac ‘s before mid 2012. > > > > > > From: JJS > Date: Sunday, 20 October 2019 at 12:52 > To: Erik Beugelaar , How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: ... in iOS 13 > > > > It seems that when Secure Boot and SIP is disabled, then using Refind https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html as bootloader you can get Linux working too. > > I saw some discussions about the T2 and issues when powering off, unplug power cable seems to trigger something. > > https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/discussion/general/thread/1475e30077/ > > Op 20-10-2019 om 11:40 schreef Erik Beugelaar: > The only thing what I don't like about the update policy of Apple is you cannot use new apps from the Store if you cannot update to a new iOS version without buying new hardware from Apple (esp. iPad's). > And yes, the costs of the same specs of Apple hardware compared to PC hardware are still 2 or 3 times more BUT the advantage is that you can run iOS and Windows natively on the same machine. Since the introduction of Apple's T2 Security Chip it isn't possible to boot Linux on new Apple hardware like the 2018 MacBook Pro and Mac Mini anymore as far as I know. > Furthermore, because of bad experiences upgrading macOS's in the past, I don't upgrade to a the newest macOS version if there is no need for. It has saved me a lot of frustrations... > But I am not an advocate, I both like to work on Apple (macOS) and PC (Windows/Linux) machines. > > On 20/10/2019, 11:18, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" wrote: > > What's unfair about it. Don't be offended. > > It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, they > have also good things. It's just an opinion. > > I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this list > than i see about Windows or Linux or Android. > > And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards compatible. > (for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike pour > over it) > > A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is because they > want to show off that they can afford it, not of the reason that it > would be better or easier. > > I also understand that they want to close 32bit and move on, except many > customer are not ready. But slowly moving on. > > If people want it it's ok, but i see a lot of hassle that i choose not > to go for. > > > Op 19-10-2019 om 22:36 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode: > > Jjs > > > > That’s an unfair statement, especially based on topic. It is quite likely it is only a tiny update for Monte to fix. My experience says tha
Re: ... in iOS 13....
Bill: A few us at the monastery run 32bit applications that have announced EOL due to Catalina… as are many programs: the market share does not warrant ROI for developing 64bit… (including my old favorite DragThing ☹) Our tech team (supersavvy network/server admins) have set up Parallels for one of us, and they say he will be able to run a 32bit astrology application "forever" . What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings won’t allow booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my option of having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software. Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being paranoid (totally justifiably) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Forget to mention: when you start with this kind of procedures I always boot in Recovery Mode and make a full image via Disk Utility to an external disk!!! I have used in the past also Carbo Copy Cloner but an image contains also your EFI and firmware setting. Never had any problems restoring an image. My two cents. On 20/10/2019, 19:53, "use-livecode on behalf of Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode" wrote: Bill, I haven't tried yet but this link will help you maybe: https://www.howtoisolve.com/dual-boot-mac-install-macos-catalina-macos-mojave-two-macos-on-different-partition/ Regards, Erik On 20/10/2019, 19:13, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero via use-livecode" wrote: Folks: I have a bit of a worry about the Apple Catalina update. I want to keep a bootable copy of the latest Mojave OS on an external disc. That way I can run any older 32 bit programs I might need. However, I have a backup program (Tri-Backup) that says it can’t make a bootable drive because of Apple security. That has raised a bit of a red flag to me. Currently, I use SuperDuper to make a bootable backup. SuperDuper isn’t updated for Catalina yet, it seems. What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings won’t allow booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my option of having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software. Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being paranoid (totally justifiably). Best, Bill PS: sorry if this is a duplicate. > On Oct 20, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode wrote: > > Yes, I think you are right. I just dive into it after a long time but that seems indeed the problem. As you know, running macOS from Hackintosh’s, Security Boot must be disabled so as SIP (because of patching during boot). I have not test yet to install Linux on my MacBook Pro though. > > > > OT: An interesting thread about running Catalina on older Mac’s can be found here: https://macandegg.com/2019/07/macos-catalina-patcher-10-15-on-old-macs/ incase people want to install it on Mac ‘s before mid 2012. > > > > > > From: JJS > Date: Sunday, 20 October 2019 at 12:52 > To: Erik Beugelaar , How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: ... in iOS 13 > > > > It seems that when Secure Boot and SIP is disabled, then using Refind https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html as bootloader you can get Linux working too. > > I saw some discussions about the T2 and issues when powering off, unplug power cable seems to trigger something. > > https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/discussion/general/thread/1475e30077/ > > Op 20-10-2019 om 11:40 schreef Erik Beugelaar: > The only thing what I don't like about the update policy of Apple is you cannot use new apps from the Store if you cannot update to a new iOS version without buying new hardware from Apple (esp. iPad's). > And yes, the costs of the same specs of Apple hardware compared to PC hardware are still 2 or 3 times more BUT the advantage is that you can run iOS and Windows natively on the same machine. Since the introduction of Apple's T2 Security Chip it isn't possible to boot Linux on new Apple hardware like the 2018 MacBook Pro and Mac Mini anymore as far as I know. > Furthermore, because of bad experiences upgrading macOS's in the past, I don't upgrade to a the newest macOS version if there is no need for. It has saved me a lot of frustrations... > But I am not an advocate, I both like to work on Apple (macOS) and PC (Windows/Linux) machines. > > On 20/10/2019, 11:18, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" wrote: > > What's unfair about it. Don't be offended. > > It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, they > have also good things. It's just an opinion. > > I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this list > than i see about Windows or Linux or Android. > > And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards compatible. > (for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike pour > over it) > > A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is because
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Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: Bill: A few us at the monastery run 32bit applications that have announced EOL due to Catalina… as are many programs: the market share does not warrant ROI for developing 64bit… (including my old favorite DragThing ☹) Our tech team (supersavvy network/server admins) have set up Parallels for one of us, and they say he will be able to run a 32bit astrology application "forever" . What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings won’t allow booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my option of having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software. Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being paranoid (totally justifiably) If only there was an operating system designed by and for developers, supported by a vast ecosystem that values control, customization, and interoperability How unimaginibably cool would it be if such an OS were also the de facto standard of modern computing in all areas beyond the desktop, giving you the confidence that the system in your hands works just like the others you use in servers, IoT devices, and everything else in the ubiquitous-computing world you design for If only such a thing existed, you could still enjoy every other OS LiveCode runs on for testing, deployment, and support, or even for some end-user tasks like specialized kinds of media production. Consumer electronics appliances could be enjoyed for what they are, and all the while your bread-and-butter development system would always remain something that prioritizes your preferences over those of any single corporation #LivingTheDream ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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LOL! Then this is what you are looking for -> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/ https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/iot Ar... Windows is all you need! __ On 20/10/2019, 20:22, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" wrote: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: > Bill: A few us at the monastery run 32bit applications that have > announced EOL > due to Catalina… as are many programs: the market share does not > warrant ROI > for developing 64bit… (including my old favorite DragThing ☹) > > Our tech team (supersavvy network/server admins) have set up Parallels > for one > of us, and they say he will be able to run a 32bit astrology > application "forever" . > > What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings > won’t allow > booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my > option of > having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software. > > Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being > paranoid > (totally justifiably) If only there was an operating system designed by and for developers, supported by a vast ecosystem that values control, customization, and interoperability How unimaginibably cool would it be if such an OS were also the de facto standard of modern computing in all areas beyond the desktop, giving you the confidence that the system in your hands works just like the others you use in servers, IoT devices, and everything else in the ubiquitous-computing world you design for If only such a thing existed, you could still enjoy every other OS LiveCode runs on for testing, deployment, and support, or even for some end-user tasks like specialized kinds of media production. Consumer electronics appliances could be enjoyed for what they are, and all the while your bread-and-butter development system would always remain something that prioritizes your preferences over those of any single corporation #LivingTheDream ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ... in iOS 13....
I was thinking of something more penguin-flavored when I wrote: ...if such an OS were also the de facto standard of modern computing in all areas beyond the desktop... Microsoft Windows owns the desktop. There, both macOS and Linux are niche players. But everywhere else, Linux has become the de facto standard of modern computing. See also: ...all the while your bread-and-butter development system would always remain something that prioritizes your preferences over those of any single corporation #lulz #ignoremeimjustafanboy :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Erik Beugelaar wrote: LOL! Then this is what you are looking for -> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/ https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/iot Ar... Windows is all you need! __ On 20/10/2019, 20:22, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" wrote: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: > Bill: A few us at the monastery run 32bit applications that have > announced EOL > due to Catalina… as are many programs: the market share does not > warrant ROI > for developing 64bit… (including my old favorite DragThing ☹) > > Our tech team (supersavvy network/server admins) have set up Parallels > for one > of us, and they say he will be able to run a 32bit astrology > application "forever" . > > What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings > won’t allow > booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my > option of > having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software. > > Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being > paranoid > (totally justifiably) If only there was an operating system designed by and for developers, supported by a vast ecosystem that values control, customization, and interoperability How unimaginibably cool would it be if such an OS were also the de facto standard of modern computing in all areas beyond the desktop, giving you the confidence that the system in your hands works just like the others you use in servers, IoT devices, and everything else in the ubiquitous-computing world you design for If only such a thing existed, you could still enjoy every other OS LiveCode runs on for testing, deployment, and support, or even for some end-user tasks like specialized kinds of media production. Consumer electronics appliances could be enjoyed for what they are, and all the while your bread-and-butter development system would always remain something that prioritizes your preferences over those of any single corporation #LivingTheDream ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ... in iOS 13....
Yeah, I understand. Beyond the desktop and behind the scenes it's definitely Linux playing the piano. I was joking about .NET... ;) And when I look at my kept ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64 and an ATARI XL and the way I programmed my sprites etc. compared to the modern tools I am using nowadays, I am still surprised everyday how fast it's going... and how fast you get old :) Cheers, Erik On 20/10/2019, 22:23, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" wrote: I was thinking of something more penguin-flavored when I wrote: ...if such an OS were also the de facto standard of modern computing in all areas beyond the desktop... Microsoft Windows owns the desktop. There, both macOS and Linux are niche players. But everywhere else, Linux has become the de facto standard of modern computing. See also: ...all the while your bread-and-butter development system would always remain something that prioritizes your preferences over those of any single corporation #lulz #ignoremeimjustafanboy :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Erik Beugelaar wrote: > LOL! > > Then this is what you are looking for -> > https://dotnet.microsoft.com/ > https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/iot > > Ar... Windows is all you need! __ > > > On 20/10/2019, 20:22, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via > use-livecode" use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: > > Bill: A few us at the monastery run 32bit applications that have > > announced EOL > > due to Catalina… as are many programs: the market share does not > > warrant ROI > > for developing 64bit… (including my old favorite DragThing ☹) > > > > Our tech team (supersavvy network/server admins) have set up > Parallels > > for one > > of us, and they say he will be able to run a 32bit astrology > > application "forever" . > > > > What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings > > won’t allow > > booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my > > option of > > having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software. > > > > Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just > being > > paranoid > > (totally justifiably) > > > If only there was an operating system designed by and for developers, > supported by a vast ecosystem that values control, customization, and > interoperability > > How unimaginibably cool would it be if such an OS were also the de > facto > standard of modern computing in all areas beyond the desktop, giving > you > the confidence that the system in your hands works just like the > others > you use in servers, IoT devices, and everything else in the > ubiquitous-computing world you design for > > If only such a thing existed, you could still enjoy every other OS > LiveCode runs on for testing, deployment, and support, or even for > some > end-user tasks like specialized kinds of media production. Consumer > electronics appliances could be enjoyed for what they are, and all > the > while your bread-and-butter development system would always remain > something that prioritizes your preferences over those of any single > corporation > > #LivingTheDream > > ;) > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the > Web > > > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com > http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Player object in iOS 13....
Can any one confirm: the iOS mobileAudioPlayer controller is broken with the iOS 13 update put pRect into sPlayerRect mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "visible", true mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "rect", pRect mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "showController", true mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "filename", pURL if pURL begins with "https" then showBusyIndicator true, "Loading audio..." -- add loading indicator until duration is available end if Alternatives? BR ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: sub: ... in iOS 13....
Jjs That’s an unfair statement, especially based on topic. It is quite likely it is only a tiny update for Monte to fix. My experience says that ALL OS systems/devices break bar none unless they don’t update at all and stay stagnant. So which system do you prefer JJS? And remember only to mention one that is completely infallible and never likely to break. Id especially love to know a device name that is completely 100% future proof I can pitch to my customers. As yet, the ‘most’ reliable I have found from a whole heap of testing and long term experience are iPad Pro and Macs. Even my ipad2 is shockingly more reliable than any of my top end Samsung tabs (unless I strip them right down and use custom OS). To confirm, I’m not offended or upset. I just think the comment was unfair and exaggerated. They break for sure, but not to the extent to ‘refuse’ it. Roids way of avoiding breaking is to only offer minor device OS updates and expect you to bin old devices after a couple of years (apposed to the 6-8years for Apple). Peace. Sean Cole Pi Digital Prod Ltd > On 19 Oct 2019, at 16:57, Jjs via use-livecode > wrote: > > Who still wants Apple or iOs, everything breaks with them. They never heard > of backwards compatibility. If someone wants Apple or iOs, just refuse it. To > much hassle, and costs to much. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: sub: ... in iOS 13....
What's unfair about it. Don't be offended. It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, they have also good things. It's just an opinion. I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this list than i see about Windows or Linux or Android. And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards compatible. (for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike pour over it) A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is because they want to show off that they can afford it, not of the reason that it would be better or easier. I also understand that they want to close 32bit and move on, except many customer are not ready. But slowly moving on. If people want it it's ok, but i see a lot of hassle that i choose not to go for. Op 19-10-2019 om 22:36 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode: Jjs That’s an unfair statement, especially based on topic. It is quite likely it is only a tiny update for Monte to fix. My experience says that ALL OS systems/devices break bar none unless they don’t update at all and stay stagnant. So which system do you prefer JJS? And remember only to mention one that is completely infallible and never likely to break. Id especially love to know a device name that is completely 100% future proof I can pitch to my customers. As yet, the ‘most’ reliable I have found from a whole heap of testing and long term experience are iPad Pro and Macs. Even my ipad2 is shockingly more reliable than any of my top end Samsung tabs (unless I strip them right down and use custom OS). To confirm, I’m not offended or upset. I just think the comment was unfair and exaggerated. They break for sure, but not to the extent to ‘refuse’ it. Roids way of avoiding breaking is to only offer minor device OS updates and expect you to bin old devices after a couple of years (apposed to the 6-8years for Apple). Peace. Sean Cole Pi Digital Prod Ltd On 19 Oct 2019, at 16:57, Jjs via use-livecode wrote: Who still wants Apple or iOs, everything breaks with them. They never heard of backwards compatibility. If someone wants Apple or iOs, just refuse it. To much hassle, and costs to much. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Player object in iOS 13....
I can confirm that it does not work in the release version of the app either. I checked 13.1.2 and 13.1.3 but not the earlier versions of 13. One potential alternative would be a browser widget. Thanks, Brian On Oct 19, 2019, 9:50 AM -0400, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode , wrote: > Can any one confirm: > > the iOS mobileAudioPlayer controller is broken with the iOS 13 update > > put pRect into sPlayerRect > mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "visible", true > mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "rect", pRect > mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "showController", true > mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "filename", pURL > if pURL begins with "https" then > showBusyIndicator true, "Loading audio..." -- add loading indicator until > duration is available > end if > > Alternatives? > > BR > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Player object in iOS 13....
Who still wants Apple or iOs, everything breaks with them. They never heard of backwards compatibility. If someone wants Apple or iOs, just refuse it. To much hassle, and costs to much. Brian Milby via use-livecode schreef op 19 oktober 2019 16:09:23 CEST: >I can confirm that it does not work in the release version of the app >either. I checked 13.1.2 and 13.1.3 but not the earlier versions of >13. > >One potential alternative would be a browser widget. > >Thanks, >Brian >On Oct 19, 2019, 9:50 AM -0400, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via >use-livecode , wrote: >> Can any one confirm: >> >> the iOS mobileAudioPlayer controller is broken with the iOS 13 update >> >> put pRect into sPlayerRect >> mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "visible", true >> mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "rect", pRect >> mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "showController", true >> mobileControlSet pPlayerName, "filename", pURL >> if pURL begins with "https" then >> showBusyIndicator true, "Loading audio..." -- add loading indicator >until duration is available >> end if >> >> Alternatives? >> >> BR >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >___ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Verstuurd vanaf mijn Android apparaat met K-9 Mail. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
