Re: LC in Education
Hi Judy - the good thing about Blackboard occasionally being unreliable is that people are more likely to be somewhat forgiving when (inevitably) one of the new systems we are developing springs a problem. We can usually put things right pretty quickly and only a few hundred users at most will experience any problems. When Blackboard goes AWOL everybody suffers. OK, enough Blackboard bagging for now. Really, it's pretty good at doing what it does. Terry... On 04/05/2011 02:58 PM, "Judy Perry" wrote: > Terry, > > It's funny that you should mention Blackboard being awful. It really IS > gawdawful! I happened to be in my class early one day and several > students were trying to access my Moodle setup (on server space I rent > from Mark and paid him to install while I maintain) and they reported it > was down. I messaged Mark, he checked it and said it came up fine for > him, then my students all reported it worked for them as well (signalling > a network error on our end), and then one of them remarked that my Moodle > site was far more reliable than the campus' Blackboard server that their > other instructors used and for which we pay a bazillion dollars to license > and another bazillion in IT costs to maintain. > > Judy > > On Wed, 4 May 2011, Terry Judd wrote: > >> It's big because the main alternatives (notably BlackBoard) are so awful >> (and awfully expensive). I'm no big fan of Learning Management Systems but >> they're here to stay (at least in tertiary educational environments) - >> administrators love them, educators not so much. We're currently building a >> bespoke learning environment (emphasis on learning) for medical students >> (LiveCode clients, mysql/php backend) and plan to phase out the use >> Blackboard during 2012. I'm expecting a 'please explain' call from the >> university's IT decision makers before too long. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Dr Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Melbourne Medical School The University of Melbourne ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
Alejandro, Like I haven't heard how our CS students easily hack whatever it is we're using for our MS in Software Engineering online coursework... (wanna bet it's Blackboard?!). They actually TELL ME these things. O_o Judy On Tue, 3 May 2011, Alejandro Tejada wrote: By the way, after this event: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/03/27/2058246/MySqlcom-Hacked-With-Sql-Injection I could imagine (easily) the kind of control that one skilled student could get over a Moodle installation... :-(( ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
Terry, It's funny that you should mention Blackboard being awful. It really IS gawdawful! I happened to be in my class early one day and several students were trying to access my Moodle setup (on server space I rent from Mark and paid him to install while I maintain) and they reported it was down. I messaged Mark, he checked it and said it came up fine for him, then my students all reported it worked for them as well (signalling a network error on our end), and then one of them remarked that my Moodle site was far more reliable than the campus' Blackboard server that their other instructors used and for which we pay a bazillion dollars to license and another bazillion in IT costs to maintain. Judy On Wed, 4 May 2011, Terry Judd wrote: It's big because the main alternatives (notably BlackBoard) are so awful (and awfully expensive). I'm no big fan of Learning Management Systems but they're here to stay (at least in tertiary educational environments) - administrators love them, educators not so much. We're currently building a bespoke learning environment (emphasis on learning) for medical students (LiveCode clients, mysql/php backend) and plan to phase out the use Blackboard during 2012. I'm expecting a 'please explain' call from the university's IT decision makers before too long. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
Colin, Moodle is gaining traction in education because it is FOSS, that is, free, whereas Blackboard is hugely expensive and doesn't tend to play well with any browser made outside of Redmond. Blackboard also has exhibited predatory patent practices and successfully locked some similar Canadian product out of the US market (I think it was maybe Desire2Learn?). Blackboard is evil and therefore, in my eye, anything free that's a decent alternative gets my vote. As I tell my students, it may well suck but even then it sucks for free, unlike Blackboard, which my campus insists upon licensing despite the fact that the state that funds us is nearly bankrupt and not so long ago paid its contractors in IOUs. Judy Although I don't fully understand why, Moodle is huge in education, and you should get to grips with it no matter what. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
Alejandro, That was Carly Born. I don't know if she follows this list, but if you are interested, I can give her your email information and she can perhaps follow-up with you. I prefer Moodle over Blackboard because it sucks for free (okay, it doesn't suck overwhelmingly... really!) Let me know... Judy On Tue, 3 May 2011, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Did Larry Tesler posted (in the Facebook Runrev in Education page) about integrating revlets with Moodle? If not him, Who? I am curious to know if this developer would allow other teachers to experiment in this new setup. ;-) I would like to experiment with this new setup, but do not want to learn the whole Moodle system to play... Thanks in advance! Al ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
Hi Colin, on Tue May 3 21:41:17 CDT 2011 Colin Holgate wrote: > Although I don't fully understand why, Moodle is huge in education, > and you should get to grips with it no matter what. > I can't find any proof of Larry being that involved in Moodle and Revlets. > Can you point to anything? >I think I can get him to give more information, > if you can help me form a specific question. My mistake: It was Carly Born https://moodle.carleton.edu/course/view.php?id=12752 I read this message in the Facebook page: >Carly Born: >A demo site of my work to integrate a LiveCode applet into the Moodle course >>management system. >https://moodle.carleton.edu/course/view.php?id=12752 >moodle.carleton.edu By the way, after this event: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/03/27/2058246/MySqlcom-Hacked-With-Sql-Injection I could imagine (easily) the kind of control that one skilled student could get over a Moodle installation... :-(( Al ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
On 04/05/2011 01:02 PM, "Colin Holgate" wrote: > My point was, that even though I don't fully understand it, anyone doing > education courseware should be familiar with Moodle Agreed. Terry... -- Dr Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Melbourne Medical School The University of Melbourne ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
My point was, that even though I don't fully understand it, anyone doing education courseware should be familiar with Moodle ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
On 04/05/2011 12:41 PM, "Colin Holgate" wrote: > Although I don't fully understand why, Moodle is huge in education, and you > should get to grips with it no matter what. It's big because the main alternatives (notably BlackBoard) are so awful (and awfully expensive). I'm no big fan of Learning Management Systems but they're here to stay (at least in tertiary educational environments) - administrators love them, educators not so much. We're currently building a bespoke learning environment (emphasis on learning) for medical students (LiveCode clients, mysql/php backend) and plan to phase out the use Blackboard during 2012. I'm expecting a 'please explain' call from the university's IT decision makers before too long. Terry... -- Dr Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Melbourne Medical School The University of Melbourne ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
On May 3, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > I would like to experiment with this new setup, but do not want to > learn the whole Moodle system to play... Although I don't fully understand why, Moodle is huge in education, and you should get to grips with it no matter what. I can't find any proof of Larry being that involved in Moodle and Revlets. Can you point to anything? I think I can get him to give more information, if you can help me form a specific question. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
Hi Judy, on Mon, 2 May 2011 20:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Judy Perry wrote: > He is Larry Tesler. Did Larry Tesler posted (in the Facebook Runrev in Education page) about integrating revlets with Moodle? If not him, Who? I am curious to know if this developer would allow other teachers to experiment in this new setup. ;-) I would like to experiment with this new setup, but do not want to learn the whole Moodle system to play... Thanks in advance! Al ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
On May 2, 2011, at 11:45 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > > Sorry, my bad. He IS Larry Tesler. I suspected as much. For anyone who doesn't know who Larry is, he worked on Smalltalk, at Xerox Parc, which led on to what Apple did later, and he was a lead person on the Lisa team. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
:-p Sorry, my bad. He IS Larry Tesler. Judy On Mon, 2 May 2011, Colin Holgate wrote: Is he related to Larry Telser? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC in Education
On May 2, 2011, at 11:03 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > > We had not one but TWO lovely little LC in Education presentations at the > conference (the second of which featured Larry Lesler Is he related to Larry Telser? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
LC in Education
Greetings, all! We had not one but TWO lovely little LC in Education presentations at the conference (the second of which featured Larry Lesler showing us something he's working on, and which went on for two straight hours!) and, as a means of keeping all the educators or those using LC in some sort of educational setting or other use connected and in communication with one another, have established a Facebook group which I hope many others will join and find useful: http://www.facebook.com/pages/LiveCode-in-Education/198010186903117 Thanks to everyone who attended and participated! Judy ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
