Re: Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
I'm looking at it now... On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: AltLayerTools http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altLayerTools.rev It keeps you from moving objects in and out of groups. It only move groups around. just put in msg box: go URL http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altLayerTools.rev; then save to plugins. I use with my toolbar palette. here's another which is most helpful: AltGroupMgr http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altGroupMgr.txt It does a great job of placing and removing groups on different cards. Both use ZERO frontscripts in favor of a 'refresh button,' mostly for robustness and lack of conflict with some of my other frontscripts. I really need to create a single frontscript library which manages everything. C'est la vie. But no replacement for the really great ability that revNavigator used to have, of moving a control (or a group) in or out of a group? That's what I miss! Geoff Canyon, can you convince that developer of yours to do something about this...? :-) -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
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Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
Thank you all! To summarize since yesterday morning: Question #1 I asked Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later? Tereza suggested using Chipp's altLayer Tool and showed me where to find it (I had the same problem that Bob and Phil had locating it). I emailed Chipp to arrange payment; he replied that it was free!?! Unfortunately, while this utility moves objects within groups, it does not move them into, out of, or between groups - which is what I need (more on that in a moment). I do appreciate Chipp's (typical) generosity regarding this and would like to note that we use his Magic Carpet for every change in any of our programs - often many times a day. Geoff confirmed that the problems with the current revNavigator were not my imagination. So it appears that there is no way to adjust layers into, out of, or between groups in the LC world today. Why do I care? My major use of LC is for the Ahsomme Business System. It does order processing, accounting, purchasing, inventory control, job costing, machine-loading, employee scheduling, material requirement planning, etc. It is complex; there are over 20 databases, over 50 standard report templates (plus a report maker), and more than 50 auxillary programs. Some of these individual programs are also complex; the Orders Editor, for example, has 144 buttons and 436 fields (not counting objects in datagrid groups). Right now I am working on a Production Status program for a company in New Zealand. This program uses multiple datagrids. There is a grid for pending orders, a grid showing the orders selected to be put in process, grids for materials required to support production, a grid comparing required material to uncommitted materials on hand and purchased materials due in, and several more. Obviously it is not possible to display everything on the screen at the same time. So, we hide and show groups - a lot. Usually these groups will contain one or more datagrids, plus additional fields or buttons. It is critical to have the ability to quickly and easily move newly created objects into the proper group. revNavigator did this perfectly, I can not begin to say how grateful I am to have had it! Quoting Peter: Geoff Canyon, can you convince that developer of yours to do something about this...? :-) Question #2 I asked Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid? I had already concluded that the grid was broken because the behavior of the grid was no longer linked - as the Slug and Trevor suggested. I had tried: set the behavior of grp myDataGrid to button id 1005 of stack revDataGridLibrary which did nothing, not even an error. I had also tried: set the behavior of grp myDataGrid to button id 1005 of stack quote revDataGridLibrary quote which gave a binary error. The Slug's recipe: set the behavior of grp myDataGrid to button id 1005 of stack quote revDataGridLibrary quote worked. With that fix the grid started displaying the text from dgText. This also reverted other properties to their defaults, for example, before the fix the columns were their original and proper width but the columnWidth properties were empty; after the fix the columnWidth properties (and the columns themselves) were all 100. This is actually a minor problem for us and we can easily make manual repairs to these properties. Trevor's list of Behaviors will help us reset all of default links without completely rebuilding the stack (an unimaginable exercise). Thank you all. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
I second this! My ap uses extensive use of groups, often nested within each other and it is anight mare to move controls in and out of them. Pete Haworth http://www.mollysrevenge.com http://www.sonicbids.com/MollysRevenge http://www.myspace.com/mollysrevengeband On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Paul Looney wrote: It is critical to have the ability to quickly and easily move newly created objects into the proper group. revNavigator did this perfectly, I can not begin to say how grateful I am to have had it! Quoting Peter: Geoff Canyon, can you convince that developer of yours to do something about this...? :-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
Paul, Moving controls into to and out of groups is as simple as just setting the layer one number higher and/or lower outside the range of the group. And at the time I wrote altLayer, this was easily accomplished by using the relayer tools in Rev-- not sure how that works these days. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Paul Looney supp...@ahsomme.com wrote: Thank you all! To summarize since yesterday morning: Question #1 I asked Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later? Tereza suggested using Chipp's altLayer Tool and showed me where to find it (I had the same problem that Bob and Phil had locating it). I emailed Chipp to arrange payment; he replied that it was free!?! Unfortunately, while this utility moves objects within groups, it does not move them into, out of, or between groups - which is what I need (more on that in a moment). I do appreciate Chipp's (typical) generosity regarding this and would like to note that we use his Magic Carpet for every change in any of our programs - often many times a day. Geoff confirmed that the problems with the current revNavigator were not my imagination. So it appears that there is no way to adjust layers into, out of, or between groups in the LC world today. Why do I care? My major use of LC is for the Ahsomme Business System. It does order processing, accounting, purchasing, inventory control, job costing, machine-loading, employee scheduling, material requirement planning, etc. It is complex; there are over 20 databases, over 50 standard report templates (plus a report maker), and more than 50 auxillary programs. Some of these individual programs are also complex; the Orders Editor, for example, has 144 buttons and 436 fields (not counting objects in datagrid groups). Right now I am working on a Production Status program for a company in New Zealand. This program uses multiple datagrids. There is a grid for pending orders, a grid showing the orders selected to be put in process, grids for materials required to support production, a grid comparing required material to uncommitted materials on hand and purchased materials due in, and several more. Obviously it is not possible to display everything on the screen at the same time. So, we hide and show groups - a lot. Usually these groups will contain one or more datagrids, plus additional fields or buttons. It is critical to have the ability to quickly and easily move newly created objects into the proper group. revNavigator did this perfectly, I can not begin to say how grateful I am to have had it! Quoting Peter: Geoff Canyon, can you convince that developer of yours to do something about this...? :-) Question #2 I asked Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid? I had already concluded that the grid was broken because the behavior of the grid was no longer linked - as the Slug and Trevor suggested. I had tried: set the behavior of grp myDataGrid to button id 1005 of stack revDataGridLibrary which did nothing, not even an error. I had also tried: set the behavior of grp myDataGrid to button id 1005 of stack quote revDataGridLibrary quote which gave a binary error. The Slug's recipe: set the behavior of grp myDataGrid to button id 1005 of stack quote revDataGridLibrary quote worked. With that fix the grid started displaying the text from dgText. This also reverted other properties to their defaults, for example, before the fix the columns were their original and proper width but the columnWidth properties were empty; after the fix the columnWidth properties (and the columns themselves) were all 100. This is actually a minor problem for us and we can easily make manual repairs to these properties. Trevor's list of Behaviors will help us reset all of default links without completely rebuilding the stack (an unimaginable exercise). Thank you all. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
Thanks you Bernd, I obviously didn't look hard enough! There are indeed a lot of cool features in Remo. Pete Haworth On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:04 PM, BNig wrote: Hi Pete, in Remo look under Help - Quickstart Docs. It explains quite a bit. You should look at this since some things are not self-evident and very useful. Kind regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Slug-saves-the-day-Was-Layers-revNavigator-DataGrids-tp3216430p3216790.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
Fellow Programmers, For many years I've used the revNavigator plugin to layer objects - to move objects to any layer, into and out of groups, from one group to another, etc. Somewhere around Rev 3.5 the revNavigator broke. Dragging objects in the list would only put bookmarks at the top of the list - leaving the selected object in its original layer. Using the Option key to move objects in groups (per the instructions) did not help. I am referring to revNavigator 3.0 RC 1. I can open the stack in an older version of Rev, with the older version of the Navigator and relayering works properly. BUT... Having adjusted the object layers in an older version of Rev, the DataGrids will not work on the stack when it is reopened in LC 4.0 or 4.5.1. All of the grid objects are there but they have no intelligence: 1. setting the dgText of the grid group does nothing - does not produce an error, using a try/catch shows nothing 2. the columns are the same size but have no column widths in the Columns tab on the object inspector 3. the behavior of group 'DataGrid' returns empty, not button id 1005 of stack revDataGridLibrary The original grids in the stack are broken. I can add new grids and they work properly. BUT... If I replace the old grids with new ones, I have no way to put them in the proper layers - short of completely rebuilding a very complex stack. So, two questions: 1. Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later? 2. Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid described above? FYI, LC 4.0 tested on OS X 10.4.11 on a G4 PowerBook and LC 4.5.1 tested on OS X 10.6.6 on an Intel Mac Mini. I really appreciate your help. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Paul Looney wrote: So, two questions: 1. Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later? Chipp’s AltLayerTools does it for me! 2. Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid described above? Trevor knows all. t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. www.califexsoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
Are we sure that Trevor is not a super intelligent albeit benevolent alien species sent here to hasten mankind's progress to interstellar status? Or maybe they were sent here to make us mind-fat so they could feed off our brain energy. Bob Trevor knows all. t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. www.califexsoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Paul Looney supp...@ahsomme.com wrote: Paul, Having adjusted the object layers in an older version of Rev, the DataGrids will not work on the stack when it is reopened in LC 4.0 or 4.5.1. All of the grid objects are there but they have no intelligence: Behave like the datagrid has lost its behavior link with the datagrid library 1. setting the dgText of the grid group does nothing - does not produce an error, using a try/catch shows nothing You should have the dgText nested in the custom properties of the group, with all the other properties you tried. 2. the columns are the same size but have no column widths in the Columns tab on the object inspector 3. the behavior of group 'DataGrid' returns empty, not button id 1005 of stack revDataGridLibrary Hum, You have probably thought to that, but what about trying to set the behavior of your group to the corresponding datagrid engine button? set the behavior of grp myDataGrid to button id 1005 of stack quote revDataGridLibrary quote Then in the inspector, use the Refresh datagrid button Best regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
Hi Bob, Am 12.01.2011 um 21:03 schrieb Bob Sneidar: Are we sure that Trevor is not a super intelligent albeit benevolent alien species sent here to hasten mankind's progress to interstellar status? No! :-D Or maybe they were sent here to make us mind-fat so they could feed off our brain energy. Bob Trevor knows all. t -- Tereza Snyder Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
On Jan 12, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote: On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Paul Looney wrote: So, two questions: 1. Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later? Chipp’s AltLayerTools does it for me! Is this still available? I can't find it on the Altuit website. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
Hi Paul -- I, too, have been limping along with a revNavigator that I can't stop using but which has fallen behind the dev environment in a few areas. I should really talk to the developer and convince him to update that thing... I'll try to find some time this weekend to have a look at the layering code to see what's going wonky. The whole thing needs a re-write in the worst way. I hadn't done much development in Rev for several years, but in the past year I've built three tools critical to my place of employment. If I gave as much attention as I gave to those tools to revNavigator it would be shining your shoes right now. gc On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Paul Looney supp...@ahsomme.com wrote: Fellow Programmers, For many years I've used the revNavigator plugin to layer objects - to move objects to any layer, into and out of groups, from one group to another, etc. Somewhere around Rev 3.5 the revNavigator broke. Dragging objects in the list would only put bookmarks at the top of the list - leaving the selected object in its original layer. Using the Option key to move objects in groups (per the instructions) did not help. I am referring to revNavigator 3.0 RC 1. I can open the stack in an older version of Rev, with the older version of the Navigator and relayering works properly. BUT... Having adjusted the object layers in an older version of Rev, the DataGrids will not work on the stack when it is reopened in LC 4.0 or 4.5.1. All of the grid objects are there but they have no intelligence: 1. setting the dgText of the grid group does nothing - does not produce an error, using a try/catch shows nothing 2. the columns are the same size but have no column widths in the Columns tab on the object inspector 3. the behavior of group 'DataGrid' returns empty, not button id 1005 of stack revDataGridLibrary The original grids in the stack are broken. I can add new grids and they work properly. BUT... If I replace the old grids with new ones, I have no way to put them in the proper layers - short of completely rebuilding a very complex stack. So, two questions: 1. Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later? 2. Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid described above? FYI, LC 4.0 tested on OS X 10.4.11 on a G4 PowerBook and LC 4.5.1 tested on OS X 10.6.6 on an Intel Mac Mini. I really appreciate your help. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
