Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Bill Vlahos via use-livecode]

Richard and Brian,

I think you guys are on to something. The LiveCode open dialog filter is a 
different issue than actually being able to open the file as a stack. Thanks.

For some reason my OpenStack handler in the Card script isn’t being triggered. 
This is causing a number of issues including failing to “start using…” some 
library stacks and the one I reported here.

I’m looking into that now.

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos



> Have you tried addressing it via the full path?
> 
> put the uProperty of stack “/fullPathToFile/actualFileName” into tVar
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian

> On Jan 1, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bill Vlahos wrote:
>> Richard,
>> I’m running the different versions of LiveCode on the same Mac and looking 
>> at the same file so I don’t think the OS is affecting this.
>> I’m just asking if there is a stack with the correct name and getting 
>> “false” as the answer if using LC 9.5.1.
>> If I ask for “file” and not “stack” then the result is “true”.
>> The path to the LicenseKey.IW file is correct at: /Volumes/HP 
>> c310w/InfoWallet 1.4/Info Files
>> Here is the error message:
>> Executing at 4:47:43 PM on Tuesday, December 31, 2019
>> Type: Chunk: can't find stack
>> Object: stack '/Volumes/HP c310w/InfoWallet 1.4/Info 
>> Files/InfoWallet.app/Contents/MacOS/InfoWallet'
>> Line Num: 26
>> Hint: populateFileList
>> Comments: I think LC must have changed how they are validating “stack” in 
>> version 8 compared to version 7.
> 
> 
> Maybe, but if so it's happening in a way not even Mark Waddingham is aware of 
> (see his earlier post), and in ways I've never seen (and I do some weird 
> things with stack files).
> 
> Most interesting here is that "is a file" returns true while "is a stack" 
> returns false.
> 
> Were both of those tests run in the standalone?  MacOS changed some aspects 
> of how apps are allowed to address contents of its internal bundle folders a 
> while back, but I would be surprised if those come into play only when 
> testing "is a stack" but not "is a file".
> 
> Is the stack file openable in the IDE?
> 
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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

Have you tried addressing it via the full path?

put the uProperty of stack “/fullPathToFile/actualFileName” into tVar

Thanks,
Brian

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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bill Vlahos wrote:

Richard,

I’m running the different versions of LiveCode on the same Mac and looking at 
the same file so I don’t think the OS is affecting this.

I’m just asking if there is a stack with the correct name and getting “false” 
as the answer if using LC 9.5.1.
If I ask for “file” and not “stack” then the result is “true”.

The path to the LicenseKey.IW file is correct at: /Volumes/HP c310w/InfoWallet 
1.4/Info Files

Here is the error message:
Executing at 4:47:43 PM on Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Type: Chunk: can't find stack
Object: stack '/Volumes/HP c310w/InfoWallet 1.4/Info 
Files/InfoWallet.app/Contents/MacOS/InfoWallet'
Line Num: 26
Hint: populateFileList

Comments: 



I think LC must have changed how they are validating “stack” in version 8 
compared to version 7.



Maybe, but if so it's happening in a way not even Mark Waddingham is 
aware of (see his earlier post), and in ways I've never seen (and I do 
some weird things with stack files).


Most interesting here is that "is a file" returns true while "is a 
stack" returns false.


Were both of those tests run in the standalone?  MacOS changed some 
aspects of how apps are allowed to address contents of its internal 
bundle folders a while back, but I would be surprised if those come into 
play only when testing "is a stack" but not "is a file".


Is the stack file openable in the IDE?

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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/31/19 5:00 PM, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode wrote:

Richard,

I’m running the different versions of LiveCode on the same Mac and looking at 
the same file so I don’t think the OS is affecting this.

I’m just asking if there is a stack with the correct name and getting “false” 
as the answer if using LC 9.5.1.
If I ask for “file” and not “stack” then the result is “true”.

The path to the LicenseKey.IW file is correct at: /Volumes/HP c310w/InfoWallet 
1.4/Info Files

Here is the error message:
Executing at 4:47:43 PM on Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Type: Chunk: can't find stack
Object: stack '/Volumes/HP c310w/InfoWallet 1.4/Info 
Files/InfoWallet.app/Contents/MacOS/InfoWallet'
Line Num: 26
Hint: populateFileList


It looks to me like the defaultFolder is not what you think it is.
The error message seems to say it's looking in the same folder as the 
InfoWallet application, i.e., inside the InfoWallet.app folder.


Also... looking for file and looking for stack are different actions.
If you're asking for a stack then the stack has to be in memory.
Asking for a file will look in the current defaultFolder.

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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Bill Vlahos via use-livecode]

Richard,

I’m running the different versions of LiveCode on the same Mac and looking at 
the same file so I don’t think the OS is affecting this.

I’m just asking if there is a stack with the correct name and getting “false” 
as the answer if using LC 9.5.1.
If I ask for “file” and not “stack” then the result is “true”.

The path to the LicenseKey.IW file is correct at: /Volumes/HP c310w/InfoWallet 
1.4/Info Files

Here is the error message:
Executing at 4:47:43 PM on Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Type: Chunk: can't find stack
Object: stack '/Volumes/HP c310w/InfoWallet 1.4/Info 
Files/InfoWallet.app/Contents/MacOS/InfoWallet'
Line Num: 26
Hint: populateFileList

Comments: 


I think LC must have changed how they are validating “stack” in version 8 
compared to version 7.

Bill

> On Dec 30, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bill Vlahos wrote:
> 
> > My program is correctly setting the defaultFolder but is getting the
> > same result of not recognizing the file as a LiveCode stack when I
> > build using LiveCode version 9.5.1.
> >
> > Any idea what might have changed between version 7 and 8 and how I can
> > get the old behavior when I’m referencing the stack?
> 
> I wonder if the change has to do with macOS' alteration of contents within 
> the app bundle.
> 
> What is the full path to the stack file, what is the wording of "the result", 
> and what integer is returned from sysError() when the result is not empty?
> 
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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bill Vlahos wrote:

> My program is correctly setting the defaultFolder but is getting the
> same result of not recognizing the file as a LiveCode stack when I
> build using LiveCode version 9.5.1.
>
> Any idea what might have changed between version 7 and 8 and how I can
> get the old behavior when I’m referencing the stack?

I wonder if the change has to do with macOS' alteration of contents 
within the app bundle.


What is the full path to the stack file, what is the wording of "the 
result", and what integer is returned from sysError() when the result is 
not empty?


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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Bill Vlahos via use-livecode]

Mark,

Thanks for commenting.

This behavior changed between version 7 (and earlier) and version 8 (and later).

When I am in LC version 7 or earlier and go File menu/Open Stack I am able to 
select my stack named “LicenseKey.IW” without specifying “All Files”.

When I am in LC version 8 or 9 on the same computer opening the same 
“LicenseKey.IW”, file it is grayed out on the Mac when Open Stack. On Windows 
the file is not visible until I select All Files.

My program is correctly setting the defaultFolder but is getting the same 
result of not recognizing the file as a LiveCode stack when I build using 
LiveCode version 9.5.1.

Any idea what might have changed between version 7 and 8 and how I can get the 
old behavior when I’m referencing the stack?

Thank you,
Bill Vlahos

> On Dec 30, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2019-12-27 22:51, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode wrote:
>> List,
>> Version 9.x of LiveCode doesn’t recognize stacks unless the file name
>> ends with either .rev or .livecode. Previous versions (I don’t know
>> when this changed) were able to.
> 
> Nothing has changed here in any recent version.
> 
>> I use a stack file as the Preferences file for InfoWallet but the file
>> name is “LicenseKey.IW”. When I execute the following command to read
>> custom properties in the stack it fails with an error. Type: Chunk:
>> can't find stack
>> put the uDefaultWallet of stack "LicenseKey.IW" into vDefault
> 
> This is most likely because you haven't got the stackFiles property set up, 
> or the defaultFolder is not what you are expecting it to be - i.e. the engine 
> cannot find the stack with filename "LicenseKey.IW" relative to the current 
> folder.
> 
>> I can also see this when opening a stack from LiveCode. the
>> LicenseKey.IW file is greyed out unless I look for All Files when then
>> opens it correctly.
> 
> The IDE still uses the form of 'answer file' which specifies a 
> creator/filetype and an extension. I suspect either one of:
> 
>  A) the creator/filetype is actually recognised by more recent versions of 
> macOS (i.e. they are ignored completely - I don't recall a report against 
> Mojave, but it is entirely possible Catalina no longer supports them)
> 
>  B) The file has just lost its creator/filetype and thus is being filtered 
> out (this can happen if a file is archived via a format which doesn't support 
> these attributes, or has transmitted through an FS which doesn't).
> 
>> How can I open the stack file in LiveCode 9.5.1 without changing the
>> name of the file?
> 
> Use All Files and select it that way, as you have been doing :)

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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Trashing prefs will bring back LC to the main monitor, no fiddling with loc of 
stacks.

then, later in the week, after loading on Macbook Pro while at Java Café. LC 
loses track -- or something, does not always happen this way. Then back to 
multi-monitors. I learned to shut down my lap top *before* reconnecting. That 
helps…

Would be nice to save out your current prefs to a json file or a LC array file, 
and load then again. Save time going through and fixing them each time you 
trash the LC prefs.

The point being that I never have a problem saving, only that I have to
reset the loc of the topStack and the others each time I do.
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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> ...saving stacks in Windows has proven to be time consuming.

Curious.  Haven't seen that, but there may be something specific there 
worth knowing about.


Recipe/bug ID#?

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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I wander a bit as well, but as long as it isn't too much I'm no that 
fashed; and
with my Macintosh I've got 3 monitors, so however far things wander 
aiblins it isnae

farther than 'that'.

Richmond.

On 30.12.19 21:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

My stacks wander a bit too. I wrote a routine to reposition my stacks to their 
last position when they were closed, because saving stacks in Windows has 
proven to be time consuming. But on the Mac and Windows, the restored position 
is always slightly off from the last position and I have never been able to 
come up with a reliable formula to account for this.

Bob S



On Dec 30, 2019, at 10:27 , dunbarx--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi.

I have two monitors as well. And I use a key combination and a plug-in to
reset the loc of the very stacks you mentioned, plus the SE. These change
each time I save a stack.

The point being that I never have a problem saving, only that I have to
reset the loc of the topStack and the others each time I do.

More than worth it to have two monitors, though.

Craig


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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

My stacks wander a bit too. I wrote a routine to reposition my stacks to their 
last position when they were closed, because saving stacks in Windows has 
proven to be time consuming. But on the Mac and Windows, the restored position 
is always slightly off from the last position and I have never been able to 
come up with a reliable formula to account for this. 

Bob S


> On Dec 30, 2019, at 10:27 , dunbarx--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I have two monitors as well. And I use a key combination and a plug-in to
> reset the loc of the very stacks you mentioned, plus the SE. These change
> each time I save a stack. 
> 
> The point being that I never have a problem saving, only that I have to
> reset the loc of the topStack and the others each time I do.
> 
> More than worth it to have two monitors, though.
> 
> Craig 


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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[dunbarx--- via use-livecode]

Hi.

I have two monitors as well. And I use a key combination and a plug-in to
reset the loc of the very stacks you mentioned, plus the SE. These change
each time I save a stack. 

The point being that I never have a problem saving, only that I have to
reset the loc of the topStack and the others each time I do.

More than worth it to have two monitors, though.

Craig 


-Original Message-
From: Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Mark Waddingham 
Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2019 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

On 2019-12-27 22:51, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode wrote:
> List,
> 
> Version 9.x of LiveCode doesn’t recognize stacks unless the file name
> ends with either .rev or .livecode. Previous versions (I don’t know
> when this changed) were able to.

Nothing has changed here in any recent version.

> I use a stack file as the Preferences file for InfoWallet but the file
> name is “LicenseKey.IW”. When I execute the following command to read
> custom properties in the stack it fails with an error. Type: Chunk:
> can't find stack
> 
> put the uDefaultWallet of stack "LicenseKey.IW" into vDefault

This is most likely because you haven't got the stackFiles property set 
up, or the defaultFolder is not what you are expecting it to be - i.e. 
the engine cannot find the stack with filename "LicenseKey.IW" relative 
to the current folder.

> I can also see this when opening a stack from LiveCode. the
> LicenseKey.IW file is greyed out unless I look for All Files when then
> opens it correctly.

The IDE still uses the form of 'answer file' which specifies a 
creator/filetype and an extension. I suspect either one of:

  A) the creator/filetype is actually recognised by more recent versions 
of macOS (i.e. they are ignored completely - I don't recall a report 
against Mojave, but it is entirely possible Catalina no longer supports 
them)

  B) The file has just lost its creator/filetype and thus is being 
filtered out (this can happen if a file is archived via a format which 
doesn't support these attributes, or has transmitted through an FS which 
doesn't).

> How can I open the stack file in LiveCode 9.5.1 without changing the
> name of the file?

Use All Files and select it that way, as you have been doing :)

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2019-12-27 22:51, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode wrote:

List,

Version 9.x of LiveCode doesn’t recognize stacks unless the file name
ends with either .rev or .livecode. Previous versions (I don’t know
when this changed) were able to.


Nothing has changed here in any recent version.


I use a stack file as the Preferences file for InfoWallet but the file
name is “LicenseKey.IW”. When I execute the following command to read
custom properties in the stack it fails with an error. Type: Chunk:
can't find stack

put the uDefaultWallet of stack "LicenseKey.IW" into vDefault


This is most likely because you haven't got the stackFiles property set 
up, or the defaultFolder is not what you are expecting it to be - i.e. 
the engine cannot find the stack with filename "LicenseKey.IW" relative 
to the current folder.



I can also see this when opening a stack from LiveCode. the
LicenseKey.IW file is greyed out unless I look for All Files when then
opens it correctly.


The IDE still uses the form of 'answer file' which specifies a 
creator/filetype and an extension. I suspect either one of:


  A) the creator/filetype is actually recognised by more recent versions 
of macOS (i.e. they are ignored completely - I don't recall a report 
against Mojave, but it is entirely possible Catalina no longer supports 
them)


  B) The file has just lost its creator/filetype and thus is being 
filtered out (this can happen if a file is archived via a format which 
doesn't support these attributes, or has transmitted through an FS which 
doesn't).



How can I open the stack file in LiveCode 9.5.1 without changing the
name of the file?


Use All Files and select it that way, as you have been doing :)

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

LiveCode will recognize any stack file of the same or earlier version of 
the engine attempting to access it, regardless of file extension.


Must be something else going on with that...

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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Bill Vlahos via use-livecode]

Mark,

It is both the name of the stack and file name.

I’d really rather not have to rename the license key file name. It would be 
better to figure out how LiveCode could work like it used to.

Thanks,
Bill


> On Dec 27, 2019, at 5:08 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 12/27/19 2:51 PM, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode wrote:
>> List,
>> Version 9.x of LiveCode doesn’t recognize stacks unless the file name ends 
>> with either .rev or .livecode. Previous versions (I don’t know when this 
>> changed) were able to.
>> I use a stack file as the Preferences file for InfoWallet but the file name 
>> is “LicenseKey.IW”. When I execute the following command to read custom 
>> properties in the stack it fails with an error. Type: Chunk: can't find stack
>> put the uDefaultWallet of stack "LicenseKey.IW" into vDefault
> 
> Is that the name of the stack or the stack *file*?
> If it's a filename then you'll have to load it into memory, change it, and 
> save it.
> 
> It's things like this that got me to store preferences in text files.
> 
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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/27/19 2:51 PM, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode wrote:

List,

Version 9.x of LiveCode doesn’t recognize stacks unless the file name ends with 
either .rev or .livecode. Previous versions (I don’t know when this changed) 
were able to.

I use a stack file as the Preferences file for InfoWallet but the file name is 
“LicenseKey.IW”. When I execute the following command to read custom properties 
in the stack it fails with an error. Type: Chunk: can't find stack

put the uDefaultWallet of stack "LicenseKey.IW" into vDefault


Is that the name of the stack or the stack *file*?
If it's a filename then you'll have to load it into memory, change it, 
and save it.


It's things like this that got me to store preferences in text files.

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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Bill Vlahos via use-livecode]

Peter,

I don’t want to open or go to that stack. It is like a preferences stack. I 
want to get and set custom properties of it.

Regards,
Bill

> On Dec 27, 2019, at 4:28 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> In LC 9.04 issue a command
> 
> go stack tURL
> 
> where tURL is the directory path and it opens the stacks. My stacks don’t 
> have a suffix at all.
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> List,
>> 
>> Version 9.x of LiveCode doesn’t recognize stacks unless the file name ends 
>> with either .rev or .livecode. Previous versions (I don’t know when this 
>> changed) were able to.
>> 
>> I use a stack file as the Preferences file for InfoWallet but the file name 
>> is “LicenseKey.IW”. When I execute the following command to read custom 
>> properties in the stack it fails with an error. Type: Chunk: can't find stack
>> 
>> put the uDefaultWallet of stack "LicenseKey.IW" into vDefault
>> 
>> 
>> I can also see this when opening a stack from LiveCode. the LicenseKey.IW 
>> file is greyed out unless I look for All Files when then opens it correctly.
>> 
>> How can I open the stack file in LiveCode 9.5.1 without changing the name of 
>> the file?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Bill Vlahos
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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode]

Hi Bill,

In LC 9.04 issue a command

go stack tURL

where tURL is the directory path and it opens the stacks. My stacks don’t have 
a suffix at all.

Peter Bogdanoff 



> On Dec 27, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> List,
> 
> Version 9.x of LiveCode doesn’t recognize stacks unless the file name ends 
> with either .rev or .livecode. Previous versions (I don’t know when this 
> changed) were able to.
> 
> I use a stack file as the Preferences file for InfoWallet but the file name 
> is “LicenseKey.IW”. When I execute the following command to read custom 
> properties in the stack it fails with an error. Type: Chunk: can't find stack
> 
> put the uDefaultWallet of stack "LicenseKey.IW" into vDefault
> 
> 
> I can also see this when opening a stack from LiveCode. the LicenseKey.IW 
> file is greyed out unless I look for All Files when then opens it correctly.
> 
> How can I open the stack file in LiveCode 9.5.1 without changing the name of 
> the file?
> 
> Thank you,
> Bill Vlahos
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Re: LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[hh via use-livecode]

This works here:

go stack url("binfile:/Users/admin/xstacks/selectiveGray6789.IW")

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LiveCode won't recognize my stack

[Bill Vlahos via use-livecode]

List,

Version 9.x of LiveCode doesn’t recognize stacks unless the file name ends with 
either .rev or .livecode. Previous versions (I don’t know when this changed) 
were able to.

I use a stack file as the Preferences file for InfoWallet but the file name is 
“LicenseKey.IW”. When I execute the following command to read custom properties 
in the stack it fails with an error. Type: Chunk: can't find stack

put the uDefaultWallet of stack "LicenseKey.IW" into vDefault


I can also see this when opening a stack from LiveCode. the LicenseKey.IW file 
is greyed out unless I look for All Files when then opens it correctly.

How can I open the stack file in LiveCode 9.5.1 without changing the name of 
the file?

Thank you,
Bill Vlahos
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