Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

Me too!
On 6 Apr 2020, 11:40 +0100, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I missed the meeting, is there a recording available?
>
> Best
> A.
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Hi Folks,

I missed the meeting, is there a recording available?

Best
A.

On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 11:31, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear list folks,
>
> I have now scheduled our first zoom meeting, open to anyone who wishes to
> discuss LiveCode, share hints and tips and see a friendly face during this
> period of isolation for many. I will be there in a moderation capacity, to
> facilitate discussion. Panos will be joining me to help out. The actual
> debate, discussion, conversation and topics is down to you guys and gals!
> Come along and bring a topic you'd like to share/learn information on. Just
> to reiterate, the usual list rules apply: we're talking LiveCode, we're not
> talking religion or politics, and cheese should be kept to a minimum :)
>
> To give us an idea of numbers and how to best manage the meeting, I have
> turned on registration for this meeting, so you can click on the link below
> to register. It would be helpful if you can do this in advance. The meeting
> will be tomorrow, Friday 3rd April, at 4pm UK time, (we've just switched to
> Summer Time here). To see what time that is for you, please go here:
>
> https://www.timeanddate.com/ 
>
> or just click the registration link and you will be able to specify a
> timezone to see what time it will be for you.
>
> The invitation:
>
> You are invited to a Zoom meeting.
>
> When: Apr 3, 2020 04:00 PM London
>
> Register in advance for this meeting:
>
> https://zoom.us/meeting/register/v50kdeGuqjstQaRWOduQAUs31lqtQJOVdA
>
> After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing
> information about joining the meeting.
>
> Warm Regards, and see you tomorrow!
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
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> LiveCode Ltd
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>
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

Would be great to get that up and running. Matrix plays well with Jitsi, and is 
a great decentralised chat platform.
On 4 Apr 2020, 20:30 +0100, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> On 4/4/20 8:33 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > https://jitsi.org/ is a great open source Zoom alternative
>
> Jitsi looks very impressive *if* you're running your own server.
> Everything is encrypted from end to end *except* on the server itself,
> so you probably don't want to use their cloud server if you're looking
> for security.
>
> ...and as long as you're not running linux. I gave it two attempts and
> decided they're not quite ready for the big leagues yet. Too many unmet
> java dependencies. All I got launching from a commandline was pages of
> java errors and a hung application. Launching from the menu after
> installation was worse - just a hung app that had to be kill -9ed.
> Seemed to work fine on OSX though, once I figured out that the prefs
> panel was hidden behind the main window.
>
> But I like the idea a lot, especially in terms of low latency - it's
> basically a passthrough that supports encrypted communications.
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 4/4/20 8:33 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode wrote:


https://jitsi.org/ is a great open source Zoom alternative


Jitsi looks very impressive *if* you're running your own server. 
Everything is encrypted from end to end *except* on the server itself, 
so you probably don't want to use their cloud server if you're looking 
for security.


...and as long as you're not running linux. I gave it two attempts and 
decided they're not quite ready for the big leagues yet. Too many unmet 
java dependencies. All I got launching from a commandline was pages of 
java errors and a hung application. Launching from the menu after 
installation was worse - just a hung app that had to be kill -9ed. 
Seemed to work fine on OSX though, once I figured out that the prefs 
panel was hidden behind the main window.


But I like the idea a lot, especially in terms of low latency - it's 
basically a passthrough that supports encrypted communications.


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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

We have some experience for running learning groups and breakouts in Zoom. 
Would love to help trial that at the next Zoom?
On 4 Apr 2020, 19:29 +0100, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Bob Sneidar worte:
>
> > Richard wrote:
> > > And did you notice Zoom's API docs?
> > > https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/guides/tools-resources/zoom-apis
> > >
> > > I've only started reading them, but the functionality seems like
> > > a very empowering compliment to LC's GUI capabilities, esp. for
> > > integrating with other services an organization may need.
> >
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > Without going into the details of the API, do you think a kind of
> > Customer Support portal could be built into LC?
>
> Why not?
>
> And imagine what can be done integrating the workflow with other
> services useful to an organization, including perhaps an issue tracker,
> project management, contacts, content management, any of the great tools
> in Nextcloud, or MS Teams, or as Bill Prothero suggests, a learning
> management system.
>
> The ways in which cloud services can be made even more useful by mixing
> and matching them to fit the unique needs of an organization are nearly
> limitless.
>
> LiveCode can be used to provide attractive, feature-rich UIs that turn
> disparate services into a cohesive workflow.
>
> I believe that this painfully disruptive moment in history provides all
> of us with thousands of ways yet to be discovered that we can lend our
> talents and interests to helping organizations get through this
> transition with less difficulty.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
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> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Dan Brown wrote:

> Definitely not a startup, they employ 700 developers in China.

True, "startup" was a bad word choice on my part.  I was grasping for a 
word that distinguishes them from The Big Five that currently control 
nearly everything on the Internet.


In a system as vast and important as the net, it benefits all of 
humanity to have its control broader than the number of people who can 
fit in a golf cart.



> In fact your data is passing through China, and being passed on to
> facebook also.

I had heard about the FB thing, but had thought that was opt-in.  If not 
requiring explicit opt-in, I don't think the word "evil" is entirely out 
of bounds.  Psychosocial profiling derived from mass data collection is 
something we should all be wary of.



> https://jitsi.org/ is a great open source Zoom alternative

Excellent - thanks! I'll look it up and see what it takes to set up a 
VPS with it.


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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar worte:

> Richard wrote:
>> And did you notice Zoom's API docs?
>> https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/guides/tools-resources/zoom-apis
>>
>> I've only started reading them, but the functionality seems like
>> a very empowering compliment to LC's GUI capabilities, esp. for
>> integrating with other services an organization may need.
>
>
> Richard,
>
> Without going into the details of the API, do you think a kind of
> Customer Support portal could be built into LC?

Why not?

And imagine what can be done integrating the workflow with other 
services useful to an organization, including perhaps an issue tracker, 
project management, contacts, content management, any of the great tools 
in Nextcloud, or MS Teams, or as Bill Prothero suggests, a learning 
management system.


The ways in which cloud services can be made even more useful by mixing 
and matching them to fit the unique needs of an organization are nearly 
limitless.


LiveCode can be used to provide attractive, feature-rich UIs that turn 
disparate services into a cohesive workflow.


I believe that this painfully disruptive moment in history provides all 
of us with thousands of ways yet to be discovered that we can lend our 
talents and interests to helping organizations get through this 
transition with less difficulty.


--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com


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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Dan Brown via use-livecode]

Definitely not a startup, they employ 700 developers in China. In fact your
data is passing through China, and being passed on to facebook also.

https://jitsi.org/ is a great open source Zoom alternative

On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:30 David Bovill via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Except of course I missed the meeting :)
>
> Is the recording available yet?
>
> On 4 Apr 2020, 12:20 +0100, David Bovill , wrote:
> > I’ve spent some time yesterday working on an open source Livecode
> library for the Zoom API. I’m hoping a few of us could start collaborating
> on that as an outcome of the Zoom today?
> >
> > Will try to get that on Github by the meeting. It’s a script only stack.
> Anyone else working with API’s and Livecode want to join?
> > On 4 Apr 2020, 06:28 +0100, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > > Mark Wieder wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm *very* impressed with Zoom's engineering team, rolling out a new
> > > > version to quash this vulnerability asap. I got prompted to install
> > > > the new version this morning. Upgrading was painless. Not only is
> > > > Zoom being super-responsive about this (and given the publicity
> lately
> > > > it stands to reason that they would) but they're being upfront about
> > > > the issues and backtracking and patching in public in real time. You
> > > > don't often see companies with this size a customer base turn on a
> > > > dime like this.
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > I knew nothing about Zoom until a few weeks ago, but everything I've
> > > read since is impressive.
> > >
> > > And as both technologists and citizens, in addition to what Zoom is,
> > > also valuable is what they're not: not Google Hangouts, not Apple
> > > FaceTime, not Microsoft Teams, etc. A startup this successful outside
> > > the Big Five is helpful for everyone, and devs in particular.
> Developers
> > > thrive in diverse and fluid ecosystems.
> > >
> > > And did you notice Zoom's API docs?
> > > https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/guides/tools-resources/zoom-apis
> > >
> > > I've only started reading them, but the functionality seems like a very
> > > empowering compliment to LC's GUI capabilities, esp. for integrating
> > > with other services an organization may need.
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Fourth World Systems
> > > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> > > 
> > > ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
> > >
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Prothero-earthlearningsol via use-livecode]

Folks,
I could see a Zoom feature that supports an online class. One pedagogical 
approach would be for a teacher to present a short overview of a subject, 
students are put into small video chat groups of 3 or 4 to work out an answer, 
then they present it to the class as a whole. There are many ways that livecode 
could provide support, with Zoom on the side. Like managing group membership, 
providing hints, leading questions, a displayable receptacle for their group’s 
findings, suggested links to explore for content, the list goes on and on.

Just thinking out loud.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Apr 4, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Richard,
> 
> Without going into the details of the API, do you think a kind of Customer 
> Support portal could be built into LC?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> 
>> I'm *very* impressed with Zoom's engineering team, rolling out a new
>> version to quash this vulnerability asap. I got prompted to install
>> the new version this morning. Upgrading was painless. Not only is
>> Zoom being super-responsive about this (and given the publicity lately
>> it stands to  reason that they would) but they're being upfront about
>> the issues and backtracking and patching in public in real time. You
>> don't often see companies with this size a customer base turn on a
>> dime like this.
> 
> +1
> 
> I knew nothing about Zoom until a few weeks ago, but everything I've read 
> since is impressive.
> 
> And as both technologists and citizens, in addition to what Zoom is, also 
> valuable is what they're not: not Google Hangouts, not Apple FaceTime, not 
> Microsoft Teams, etc.  A startup this successful outside the Big Five is 
> helpful for everyone, and devs in particular. Developers thrive in diverse 
> and fluid ecosystems.
> 
> And did you notice Zoom's API docs?
> https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/guides/tools-resources/zoom-apis
> 
> I've only started reading them, but the functionality seems like a very 
> empowering compliment to LC's GUI capabilities, esp. for integrating with 
> other services an organization may need.
> 
> --
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> Fourth World Systems
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Richard,

Without going into the details of the API, do you think a kind of Customer 
Support portal could be built into LC?

Bob S


On Apr 3, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Mark Wieder wrote:

> I'm *very* impressed with Zoom's engineering team, rolling out a new
> version to quash this vulnerability asap. I got prompted to install
> the new version this morning. Upgrading was painless. Not only is
> Zoom being super-responsive about this (and given the publicity lately
> it stands to  reason that they would) but they're being upfront about
> the issues and backtracking and patching in public in real time. You
> don't often see companies with this size a customer base turn on a
> dime like this.

+1

I knew nothing about Zoom until a few weeks ago, but everything I've read since 
is impressive.

And as both technologists and citizens, in addition to what Zoom is, also 
valuable is what they're not: not Google Hangouts, not Apple FaceTime, not 
Microsoft Teams, etc.  A startup this successful outside the Big Five is 
helpful for everyone, and devs in particular. Developers thrive in diverse and 
fluid ecosystems.

And did you notice Zoom's API docs?
https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/guides/tools-resources/zoom-apis

I've only started reading them, but the functionality seems like a very 
empowering compliment to LC's GUI capabilities, esp. for integrating with other 
services an organization may need.

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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 4/3/20 10:27 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

And as both technologists and citizens, in addition to what Zoom is, 
also valuable is what they're not: not Google Hangouts, not Apple 
FaceTime, not Microsoft Teams, etc.  A startup this successful outside 
the Big Five is helpful for everyone, and devs in particular. Developers 
thrive in diverse and fluid ecosystems.


Well, zoom is hardly a startup any more. I've been using zoom for 
some... er... seven or eight years now. Was nice when I was working 
around the corner from their office and we could walk over and complain 
about a feature. They've got enough servers to handle the throughput of 
the sudden surge in volume of new users.


Which makes it even more impressive that they've declared a 90-day 
moratorium on new features to work on bug fixes. Would be great if other 
companies would do the same in this break from normal.


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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

Except of course I missed the meeting :)

Is the recording available yet?

On 4 Apr 2020, 12:20 +0100, David Bovill , wrote:
> I’ve spent some time yesterday working on an open source Livecode library for 
> the Zoom API. I’m hoping a few of us could start collaborating on that as an 
> outcome of the Zoom today?
>
> Will try to get that on Github by the meeting. It’s a script only stack. 
> Anyone else working with API’s and Livecode want to join?
> On 4 Apr 2020, 06:28 +0100, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
> > Mark Wieder wrote:
> >
> > > I'm *very* impressed with Zoom's engineering team, rolling out a new
> > > version to quash this vulnerability asap. I got prompted to install
> > > the new version this morning. Upgrading was painless. Not only is
> > > Zoom being super-responsive about this (and given the publicity lately
> > > it stands to reason that they would) but they're being upfront about
> > > the issues and backtracking and patching in public in real time. You
> > > don't often see companies with this size a customer base turn on a
> > > dime like this.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I knew nothing about Zoom until a few weeks ago, but everything I've
> > read since is impressive.
> >
> > And as both technologists and citizens, in addition to what Zoom is,
> > also valuable is what they're not: not Google Hangouts, not Apple
> > FaceTime, not Microsoft Teams, etc. A startup this successful outside
> > the Big Five is helpful for everyone, and devs in particular. Developers
> > thrive in diverse and fluid ecosystems.
> >
> > And did you notice Zoom's API docs?
> > https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/guides/tools-resources/zoom-apis
> >
> > I've only started reading them, but the functionality seems like a very
> > empowering compliment to LC's GUI capabilities, esp. for integrating
> > with other services an organization may need.
> >
> > --
> > Richard Gaskin
> > Fourth World Systems
> > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> > 
> > ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
> >
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

I’ve spent some time yesterday working on an open source Livecode library for 
the Zoom API. I’m hoping a few of us could start collaborating on that as an 
outcome of the Zoom today?

Will try to get that on Github by the meeting. It’s a script only stack. Anyone 
else working with API’s and Livecode want to join?
On 4 Apr 2020, 06:28 +0100, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > I'm *very* impressed with Zoom's engineering team, rolling out a new
> > version to quash this vulnerability asap. I got prompted to install
> > the new version this morning. Upgrading was painless. Not only is
> > Zoom being super-responsive about this (and given the publicity lately
> > it stands to reason that they would) but they're being upfront about
> > the issues and backtracking and patching in public in real time. You
> > don't often see companies with this size a customer base turn on a
> > dime like this.
>
> +1
>
> I knew nothing about Zoom until a few weeks ago, but everything I've
> read since is impressive.
>
> And as both technologists and citizens, in addition to what Zoom is,
> also valuable is what they're not: not Google Hangouts, not Apple
> FaceTime, not Microsoft Teams, etc. A startup this successful outside
> the Big Five is helpful for everyone, and devs in particular. Developers
> thrive in diverse and fluid ecosystems.
>
> And did you notice Zoom's API docs?
> https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/guides/tools-resources/zoom-apis
>
> I've only started reading them, but the functionality seems like a very
> empowering compliment to LC's GUI capabilities, esp. for integrating
> with other services an organization may need.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
> ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Mark Wieder wrote:

> I'm *very* impressed with Zoom's engineering team, rolling out a new
> version to quash this vulnerability asap. I got prompted to install
> the new version this morning. Upgrading was painless. Not only is
> Zoom being super-responsive about this (and given the publicity lately
> it stands to  reason that they would) but they're being upfront about
> the issues and backtracking and patching in public in real time. You
> don't often see companies with this size a customer base turn on a
> dime like this.

+1

I knew nothing about Zoom until a few weeks ago, but everything I've 
read since is impressive.


And as both technologists and citizens, in addition to what Zoom is, 
also valuable is what they're not: not Google Hangouts, not Apple 
FaceTime, not Microsoft Teams, etc.  A startup this successful outside 
the Big Five is helpful for everyone, and devs in particular. Developers 
thrive in diverse and fluid ecosystems.


And did you notice Zoom's API docs?
https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/guides/tools-resources/zoom-apis

I've only started reading them, but the functionality seems like a very 
empowering compliment to LC's GUI capabilities, esp. for integrating 
with other services an organization may need.


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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

The proper security fixes come on April 5th I’m told. Today’s fixes were just a 
whole bunch of usability and feature fixes. But, even so, it ‘is’ very quick. 
I’m guessing their super happy people hooked onto them over the last two weeks. 
To the point that people everywhere are using Zoom as a verb in place of Skype. 
Almost to the same level as google!

Sean Cole
Pi Digital


> On 4 Apr 2020, at 03:45, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/2/20 5:43 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> I'd be more concerned about this vuln if I were running Windows.
>> Luckily there's a simple group policy or registry fix.
>> 
>>  
> 
> I'm *very* impressed with Zoom's engineering team, rolling out a new version 
> to quash this vulnerability asap. I got prompted to install the new version 
> this morning. Upgrading was painless. Not only is Zoom being super-responsive 
> about this (and given the publicity lately it stands to reason that they 
> would) but they're being upfront about the issues and backtracking and 
> patching in public in real time. You don't often see companies with this size 
> a customer base turn on a dime like this.
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 4/2/20 5:43 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:


I'd be more concerned about this vuln if I were running Windows.
Luckily there's a simple group policy or registry fix.

 



I'm *very* impressed with Zoom's engineering team, rolling out a new 
version to quash this vulnerability asap. I got prompted to install the 
new version this morning. Upgrading was painless. Not only is Zoom being 
super-responsive about this (and given the publicity lately it stands to 
reason that they would) but they're being upfront about the issues and 
backtracking and patching in public in real time. You don't often see 
companies with this size a customer base turn on a dime like this.


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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

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Hmm. Think maybe some timezone confusion?

We started at 4pm UK time, its now 5.19pm...

Best 

Heather

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> On 3 Apr 2020, at 17:14, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
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> 
> Is it already over ? its only 12:20 EST and its saying the start is at 11
> AM... if I am the host I should log in
> 
> Am I crazy to expect "Meeting is over". if its over?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/2/20 9:34 AM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I think the that’s midnight PST . . .
>>> 
>>> Also, I would ask that you to *not* submit our email address to zoom,
>> but instead send the code to the lit, or by your own servers to our
>> email—it came out in the last couple of days that, just a zoom was nearing
>> a whole week without  a new security or privacy sue, that they’d globe
>> email in a way to make them accessible . . .
>> 
>> Register with a disposable email address / use a pen name.
>> https://10minutemail.com/
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

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Is it already over ? its only 12:20 EST and its saying the start is at 11
AM... if I am the host I should log in

Am I crazy to expect "Meeting is over". if its over?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 4/2/20 9:34 AM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:
> > I think the that’s midnight PST . . .
> >
> > Also, I would ask that you to *not* submit our email address to zoom,
> but instead send the code to the lit, or by your own servers to our
> email—it came out in the last couple of days that, just a zoom was nearing
> a whole week without  a new security or privacy sue, that they’d globe
> email in a way to make them accessible . . .
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On 4/2/20 9:34 AM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:

I think the that’s midnight PST . . .

Also, I would ask that you to *not* submit our email address to zoom, but 
instead send the code to the lit, or by your own servers to our email—it came 
out in the last couple of days that, just a zoom was nearing a whole week 
without  a new security or privacy sue, that they’d globe email in a way to 
make them accessible . . .


Register with a disposable email address / use a pen name.
https://10minutemail.com/

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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Freeconferencecall.com
Always free and by a great bunch of guys who have been going since 2001 and 
have always put security at the top of its agenda. Look it up for scams and 
security issues. It’s clean. 

1 downside is that you can’t output audio from a video playback during screen 
share straight from the system or software output. You only get it from the 
speakers into the mic. Other than that it has a whole bunch of cool features. 
You can upload a video and have it playback on broadcast instead. 

Highly recommended. And did I mention, it’s free. No time limit. 1000 
participants on Mac, Pc, linux, Android, iOS. Admin control. No account needed 
for participants. Simple meeting login. 

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> On 3 Apr 2020, at 01:46, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
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> 
> Listmom,
> 
>> I have now scheduled our first zoom meeting
> 
> Can we have jitsi installed on a livecode server and use that instead for 
> future sessions?
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With self-iso, it’s just not an issue. Unless someone in your household has it 
in for you enough to exploit your zoom account. Pfft, hehe. 

Nothing + NewsMedia = something. 

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Listmom,


I have now scheduled our first zoom meeting


Can we have jitsi installed on a livecode server and use that instead 
for future sessions?


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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

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On 4/2/20 5:15 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Your first link describes a different attack, since corrected. The one 
Bob posted is dated April 2 and the research link it includes is dated 
April 1. It is new info.


Yes but...
the new zero-days require physical access to the hardware.

I'd be more concerned about this vuln if I were running Windows.
Luckily there's a simple group policy or registry fix.



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On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> That article is based on out of date information. 


Yeah.

Zoom has enough recent issues without resorting to the old ones!

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Your first link describes a different attack, since corrected. The one Bob 
posted is dated April 2 and the research link it includes is dated April 1. 
It is new info.


You are correct that Zoom has frozen development until these issues are 
fixed, but for now the vulnerabilities seem to remain.


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On April 2, 2020 2:07:34 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Bob
That article is based on out of date information. The writers have not done 
their homework properly. Here’s what they would have found back from Jan 
this year


www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/zoom-fixes-security-flaw-that-could-have-let-hackers-join-video-conference-calls/

Conversely,

www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/4/2/21204018/zoom-security-privacy-feature-freeze-200-million-daily-users

And

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-52133349

Always do your research before posting is the Mantra.

Sean Cole
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On 2 Apr 2020, at 19:48, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Just so everyone is aware…

https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2265244-snap-more-zoom-flaws-t-mobile-merger-nasa-launch-delays-rick-and-morty?utm_campaign=community_medium=app_source=app_ui

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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Couldn’t agree more :)

Sean Cole
Pi Digital


> On 2 Apr 2020, at 20:59, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> One could make the point that if end users must now do all the research, 
> what’s the point of news? Hmmm…
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

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Ah. Point taken. You would think that the Spiceworks authors would have done 
the homework so I, the unsuspecting consumer would not have to. :-) 

One could make the point that if end users must now do all the research, what’s 
the point of news? Hmmm…

Bob S


> On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bob
> That article is based on out of date information. The writers have not done 
> their homework properly. Here’s what they would have found back from Jan this 
> year
> 
> www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/zoom-fixes-security-flaw-that-could-have-let-hackers-join-video-conference-calls/
> 
> Conversely, 
> 
> www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/4/2/21204018/zoom-security-privacy-feature-freeze-200-million-daily-users
> 
> And
> 
> www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-52133349
> 
> Always do your research before posting is the Mantra. 
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Productions Ltd

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[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Bob
That article is based on out of date information. The writers have not done 
their homework properly. Here’s what they would have found back from Jan this 
year

www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/zoom-fixes-security-flaw-that-could-have-let-hackers-join-video-conference-calls/

Conversely, 

www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/4/2/21204018/zoom-security-privacy-feature-freeze-200-million-daily-users

And

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-52133349

Always do your research before posting is the Mantra. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd


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> On 2 Apr 2020, at 19:48, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
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> 
> Just so everyone is aware…
> 
> https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2265244-snap-more-zoom-flaws-t-mobile-merger-nasa-launch-delays-rick-and-morty?utm_campaign=community_medium=app_source=app_ui
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

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Just so everyone is aware…

https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2265244-snap-more-zoom-flaws-t-mobile-merger-nasa-launch-delays-rick-and-morty?utm_campaign=community_medium=app_source=app_ui

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I actually create a throwaway user account on my Mac, and run zoom from the 
.dmg file . . .
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

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I've become extremely cautious about Zoom and avoid it if I can.

Any guess how long the session will be? I can't make it at the start time 
but could show up later.

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On April 2, 2020 12:15:21 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
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On 4/2/20 9:34 AM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:

Also, I would ask that you to *not* submit our email address to zoom, but 
instead send the code to the lit, or by your own servers to our email—it 
came out in the last couple of days that, just a zoom was nearing a whole 
week without  a new security or privacy sue, that they’d globe email in a 
way to make them accessible . . .


Also, for those who haven't yet installed zoom: when you first install
you're prompted with the option to opt out of marketing etc. Please do
this. There may be an option to do this later, but I haven't found one
short of registering for a zoom account on their website, and that's
totally unnecessary.

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On 4/2/20 9:34 AM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:


Also, I would ask that you to *not* submit our email address to zoom, but 
instead send the code to the lit, or by your own servers to our email—it came 
out in the last couple of days that, just a zoom was nearing a whole week 
without  a new security or privacy sue, that they’d globe email in a way to 
make them accessible . . .


Also, for those who haven't yet installed zoom: when you first install 
you're prompted with the option to opt out of marketing etc. Please do 
this. There may be an option to do this later, but I haven't found one 
short of registering for a zoom account on their website, and that's 
totally unnecessary.


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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

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I think you’re right.

I added 5 from London to EST, and 3 more to the et.

So (no longer trueing my time math), 8AM PST?


Err, and Friday still in PST, right?


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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

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Folks,
I calculate 8AM at PST time, on Friday.
Bill

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> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Jim MacConnell via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It goes the other way. We’re earlier in the day in PST…. 8 hours I believe.
> Jim
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:34 AM, doc hawk via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the that’s midnight PST . . .
>> 
>> Also, I would ask that you to *not* submit our email address to zoom, but 
>> instead send the code to the lit, or by your own servers to our email—it 
>> came out in the last couple of days that, just a zoom was nearing a whole 
>> week without  a new security or privacy sue, that they’d globe email in a 
>> way to make them accessible . . .
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Apr 2, 2020, at 3:31 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear list folks,
>>> 
>>> I have now scheduled our first zoom meeting, open to anyone who wishes to 
>>> discuss LiveCode, share hints and tips and see a friendly face during this 
>>> period of isolation for many. I will be there in a moderation capacity, to 
>>> facilitate discussion. Panos will be joining me to help out. The actual 
>>> debate, discussion, conversation and topics is down to you guys and gals! 
>>> Come along and bring a topic you'd like to share/learn information on. Just 
>>> to reiterate, the usual list rules apply: we're talking LiveCode, we're not 
>>> talking religion or politics, and cheese should be kept to a minimum :)
>>> 
>>> To give us an idea of numbers and how to best manage the meeting, I have 
>>> turned on registration for this meeting, so you can click on the link below 
>>> to register. It would be helpful if you can do this in advance. The meeting 
>>> will be tomorrow, Friday 3rd April, at 4pm UK time, (we've just switched to 
>>> Summer Time here). To see what time that is for you, please go here:
>>> 
>>> https://www.timeanddate.com/ 
>>> 
>>> or just click the registration link and you will be able to specify a 
>>> timezone to see what time it will be for you.
>>> 
>>> The invitation:
>>> 
>>> You are invited to a Zoom meeting. 
>>> 
>>> When: Apr 3, 2020 04:00 PM London 
>>> 
>>> Register in advance for this meeting:
>>> 
>>> https://zoom.us/meeting/register/v50kdeGuqjstQaRWOduQAUs31lqtQJOVdA 
>>> 
>>> After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing 
>>> information about joining the meeting.
>>> 
>>> Warm Regards, and see you tomorrow!
>>> 
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> www.livecode.com
>>> 
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It goes the other way. We’re earlier in the day in PST…. 8 hours I believe.
Jim

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:34 AM, doc hawk via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the that’s midnight PST . . .
> 
> Also, I would ask that you to *not* submit our email address to zoom, but 
> instead send the code to the lit, or by your own servers to our email—it came 
> out in the last couple of days that, just a zoom was nearing a whole week 
> without  a new security or privacy sue, that they’d globe email in a way to 
> make them accessible . . .
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 3:31 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear list folks,
>> 
>> I have now scheduled our first zoom meeting, open to anyone who wishes to 
>> discuss LiveCode, share hints and tips and see a friendly face during this 
>> period of isolation for many. I will be there in a moderation capacity, to 
>> facilitate discussion. Panos will be joining me to help out. The actual 
>> debate, discussion, conversation and topics is down to you guys and gals! 
>> Come along and bring a topic you'd like to share/learn information on. Just 
>> to reiterate, the usual list rules apply: we're talking LiveCode, we're not 
>> talking religion or politics, and cheese should be kept to a minimum :)
>> 
>> To give us an idea of numbers and how to best manage the meeting, I have 
>> turned on registration for this meeting, so you can click on the link below 
>> to register. It would be helpful if you can do this in advance. The meeting 
>> will be tomorrow, Friday 3rd April, at 4pm UK time, (we've just switched to 
>> Summer Time here). To see what time that is for you, please go here:
>> 
>> https://www.timeanddate.com/ 
>> 
>> or just click the registration link and you will be able to specify a 
>> timezone to see what time it will be for you.
>> 
>> The invitation:
>> 
>> You are invited to a Zoom meeting. 
>> 
>> When: Apr 3, 2020 04:00 PM London 
>> 
>> Register in advance for this meeting:
>> 
>> https://zoom.us/meeting/register/v50kdeGuqjstQaRWOduQAUs31lqtQJOVdA 
>> 
>> After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing 
>> information about joining the meeting.
>> 
>> Warm Regards, and see you tomorrow!
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
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I think the that’s midnight PST . . .

Also, I would ask that you to *not* submit our email address to zoom, but 
instead send the code to the lit, or by your own servers to our email—it came 
out in the last couple of days that, just a zoom was nearing a whole week 
without  a new security or privacy sue, that they’d globe email in a way to 
make them accessible . . .



> On Apr 2, 2020, at 3:31 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear list folks,
> 
> I have now scheduled our first zoom meeting, open to anyone who wishes to 
> discuss LiveCode, share hints and tips and see a friendly face during this 
> period of isolation for many. I will be there in a moderation capacity, to 
> facilitate discussion. Panos will be joining me to help out. The actual 
> debate, discussion, conversation and topics is down to you guys and gals! 
> Come along and bring a topic you'd like to share/learn information on. Just 
> to reiterate, the usual list rules apply: we're talking LiveCode, we're not 
> talking religion or politics, and cheese should be kept to a minimum :)
> 
> To give us an idea of numbers and how to best manage the meeting, I have 
> turned on registration for this meeting, so you can click on the link below 
> to register. It would be helpful if you can do this in advance. The meeting 
> will be tomorrow, Friday 3rd April, at 4pm UK time, (we've just switched to 
> Summer Time here). To see what time that is for you, please go here:
> 
> https://www.timeanddate.com/ 
> 
> or just click the registration link and you will be able to specify a 
> timezone to see what time it will be for you.
> 
> The invitation:
> 
> You are invited to a Zoom meeting. 
> 
> When: Apr 3, 2020 04:00 PM London 
> 
> Register in advance for this meeting:
> 
> https://zoom.us/meeting/register/v50kdeGuqjstQaRWOduQAUs31lqtQJOVdA 
> 
> After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing 
> information about joining the meeting.
> 
> Warm Regards, and see you tomorrow!
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Richmond via use-livecode]

That sounds groovy, and I wish you all the best.

However, you will be relieved to find that I will be using Zoom to teach 
English to
Bulgarian children at that time so cannot come and misbehave in my usual 
way with you.


I do hope that all the good folk at LiveCode central are safe and in 
good fighting fettle.


Best wishes, Richmond Mathewson.

On 2.04.20 13:31, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list folks,

I have now scheduled our first zoom meeting, open to anyone who wishes to 
discuss LiveCode, share hints and tips and see a friendly face during this 
period of isolation for many. I will be there in a moderation capacity, to 
facilitate discussion. Panos will be joining me to help out. The actual debate, 
discussion, conversation and topics is down to you guys and gals! Come along 
and bring a topic you'd like to share/learn information on. Just to reiterate, 
the usual list rules apply: we're talking LiveCode, we're not talking religion 
or politics, and cheese should be kept to a minimum :)

To give us an idea of numbers and how to best manage the meeting, I have turned 
on registration for this meeting, so you can click on the link below to 
register. It would be helpful if you can do this in advance. The meeting will 
be tomorrow, Friday 3rd April, at 4pm UK time, (we've just switched to Summer 
Time here). To see what time that is for you, please go here:

https://www.timeanddate.com/ 

or just click the registration link and you will be able to specify a timezone 
to see what time it will be for you.

The invitation:

You are invited to a Zoom meeting.

When: Apr 3, 2020 04:00 PM London

Register in advance for this meeting:

https://zoom.us/meeting/register/v50kdeGuqjstQaRWOduQAUs31lqtQJOVdA

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the meeting.

Warm Regards, and see you tomorrow!

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



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Our first Community Zoom Session

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear list folks,

I have now scheduled our first zoom meeting, open to anyone who wishes to 
discuss LiveCode, share hints and tips and see a friendly face during this 
period of isolation for many. I will be there in a moderation capacity, to 
facilitate discussion. Panos will be joining me to help out. The actual debate, 
discussion, conversation and topics is down to you guys and gals! Come along 
and bring a topic you'd like to share/learn information on. Just to reiterate, 
the usual list rules apply: we're talking LiveCode, we're not talking religion 
or politics, and cheese should be kept to a minimum :)

To give us an idea of numbers and how to best manage the meeting, I have turned 
on registration for this meeting, so you can click on the link below to 
register. It would be helpful if you can do this in advance. The meeting will 
be tomorrow, Friday 3rd April, at 4pm UK time, (we've just switched to Summer 
Time here). To see what time that is for you, please go here:

https://www.timeanddate.com/ 

or just click the registration link and you will be able to specify a timezone 
to see what time it will be for you.

The invitation:

You are invited to a Zoom meeting. 

When: Apr 3, 2020 04:00 PM London 

Register in advance for this meeting:

https://zoom.us/meeting/register/v50kdeGuqjstQaRWOduQAUs31lqtQJOVdA 

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the meeting.

Warm Regards, and see you tomorrow!

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



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