Re: Installer advice needed

[J. Landman Gay]

On 12/18/2014, 12:48 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

One thing I have run into are people who've switched from PC to Mac.
They don't always "get" disk images and will run the app off the disk
image.


It works the other way too. Windows users don't always "get" zip files, 
especially because Windows shows the contents of the zip in a window but 
doesn't extract the items (much like a dmg) and so they run the app from 
inside the zip file. Then it breaks.


I hadn't thought to check the location of the app on disk, that's a good 
idea.


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Re: Installer advice needed

[Marty Knapp]

I'm using Inno Setup on Windows. It's free and customizable. When I get 
stumped on configuring it, there seems to be a lot of info out there by 
doing a quick Google search. I also use the KSoft certificates, which 
seem to be reasonably priced. The process of getting your certificate 
can be a few days as they want to make sure you're legit. One thing they 
wanted was my phone number listed with one of the big online 
directories. I did that then it took a while before it would show up in 
a search. Then they call you at that number as part of the process. If 
your phone is already published somewhere you may be OK. Mine wasn't.


KSoft has a signing app too that works great and the whole process can 
be configured in Inno Setup if you're using that. On Mac I've been using 
App Wrapper. Great app, great support. Sometimes I make my own 
installers for Mac just using a Livecode app with my app zipped and 
stored in a custom property.


One thing I have run into are people who've switched from PC to Mac. 
They don't always "get" disk images and will run the app off the disk 
image. Then think the app got deleted when the disk image is dismounted. 
I finally started putting a check in the startup routine to see where 
the app is running from and then alerting the user that it isn't 
installed correctly if it's from the disk image.


Marty Knapp

On 12/18/2014, 10:33 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

I must start to bite the codesigning bullet (groan).


There are two utilities to help with that. For Windows, we use a 
certificate purchased from ksoftware.net 
, and they have a utility 
that codesigns the app. I don't know if their app works with certs 
from other places, we just went with theirs.


For Mac we use App Wrapper from Ohanaware 



Both of these are one-click solutions.




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Re: Installer advice needed

[J. Landman Gay]

On 12/18/2014, 10:33 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

I must start to bite the codesigning bullet (groan).


There are two utilities to help with that. For Windows, we use a 
certificate purchased from ksoftware.net 
, and they have a utility 
that codesigns the app. I don't know if their app works with certs from 
other places, we just went with theirs.


For Mac we use App Wrapper from Ohanaware 



Both of these are one-click solutions.

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Re: Installer advice needed

[Graham Samuel]

Thanks Matthias and Tiemo for good advice. I have had a look at DropDMG which 
looks very suitable for making a good-looking Mac version as suggested. Again, 
I’m also looking at Monte’s InstallGadget which looks very promising.

In answer to Tiemo’s query

> What are your problems with installer maker?

I had some issues relating to the Windows side of things, of which the killer 
was an error (141,546,30) which relates to some decompression issue. As I 
wasn’t using the Compression option in the installer I found this puzzling but 
so far have not found an explanation. There was another problem with the 
license document, where I couldn’t get the program to accept my version rather 
than the default stub. All this happened nearly two months ago, and I may have 
forgotten some of the details, but that’s an outline.

Anyway thanks again. I must start to bite the codesigning bullet (groan).

Graham

> On 18 Dec 2014, at 12:09, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
>  wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> 
> for Windows i am using Monte´s InstallGadget which is based on innosetup, but 
> much easier to use.
> On Mac this tool just creates a dmg.
> 
> http://goulding.ws/installgadget/
> 
> 
> Is there really a need for an installer on Mac? Most of the mac software is 
> delivered as dmg. The user just has to drag the app bundle or app folder to 
> the Application folder.
> 
> If you want to graphically pimp your dmg then i would try DropDMG. Very easy 
> to use and very good results.
> http://c-command.com/dropdmg/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 18.12.2014 um 12:03 schrieb Graham Samuel :
>> 
>> This is not exactly about LiveCode but it's not OT either, I think. I am 
>> seeking an economical way of having an installer (or two installers) for a 
>> cross-platform LiveCode standalone - desktop, Windows and Mac. I have tried 
>> to use Mark Schonewille's LC-oriented solution but I can't make it work. So 
>> far my researches (Google mostly) seem to point to very expensive solutions 
>> intended for high volume sales. As I have no idea what sales volume to 
>> expect (it will be in the range zero to 1000!), this type of solution is not 
>> for me.
>> 
>> What do other people do? Can one get away without an installer as long as 
>> one has gone through the very daunting (to me) code-signing process on the 
>> two platforms? This didn't used to matter, either on Windows or Mac, and I 
>> have products out there where the installation 'just works', but 
>> increasingly it seems that the OSs are expecting a proper installing process.
>> 
>> I see that this may be quite a big subject, but I am too ignorant to be 
>> sure. Can anyone point me to a sensible discussion on this topic, hopefully 
>> with recommendations as to the way to go?
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Graham
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Re: Installer advice needed

[Robert Brenstein]

On 18.12.2014 at 13:09 Uhr +0100 Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D apparently wrote:


Is there really a need for an installer on Mac? Most of the mac 
software is delivered as dmg. The user just has to drag the app 
bundle or app folder to the Application folder.


If you want to graphically pimp your dmg then i would try DropDMG. 
Very easy to use and very good results.

http://c-command.com/dropdmg/



On the Mac, the installer is really needed only if one has to install 
services, system resources or such. Normal standalone apps can and 
normally should be distributed as dmg's.


RObert

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Re: Installer advice needed

[Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D]

Graham,

for Windows i am using Monte´s InstallGadget which is based on innosetup, but 
much easier to use.
On Mac this tool just creates a dmg.

 http://goulding.ws/installgadget/


Is there really a need for an installer on Mac? Most of the mac software is 
delivered as dmg. The user just has to drag the app bundle or app folder to the 
Application folder.

If you want to graphically pimp your dmg then i would try DropDMG. Very easy to 
use and very good results.
http://c-command.com/dropdmg/

Regards,

Matthias





> Am 18.12.2014 um 12:03 schrieb Graham Samuel :
> 
> This is not exactly about LiveCode but it's not OT either, I think. I am 
> seeking an economical way of having an installer (or two installers) for a 
> cross-platform LiveCode standalone - desktop, Windows and Mac. I have tried 
> to use Mark Schonewille's LC-oriented solution but I can't make it work. So 
> far my researches (Google mostly) seem to point to very expensive solutions 
> intended for high volume sales. As I have no idea what sales volume to expect 
> (it will be in the range zero to 1000!), this type of solution is not for me.
> 
> What do other people do? Can one get away without an installer as long as one 
> has gone through the very daunting (to me) code-signing process on the two 
> platforms? This didn't used to matter, either on Windows or Mac, and I have 
> products out there where the installation 'just works', but increasingly it 
> seems that the OSs are expecting a proper installing process.
> 
> I see that this may be quite a big subject, but I am too ignorant to be sure. 
> Can anyone point me to a sensible discussion on this topic, hopefully with 
> recommendations as to the way to go?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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