Re: Livecode Builder developer wanted
I would say go ahead and jump in yourself, I’d be willing to help if I can (I’m rather busy myself), if you post questions in the LCB forum section, if you get stuck. I’m sure Trevor has left a nice starting base (I’ve looked at all of his LCB work). You could likely get the lib binary for macOS using “HomeBrew”. On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 1:44 PM harrison--- via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi Paul, > > You should have led with that information. > > Keys here: Not time sensitive. Pay competitive rates: What is your > rate? Be upfront with that if you can. > > Thanks for clearing things up a bit. > > Cheers, > > Rick > > > > On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > I've hired and managed independent software developers for various > businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market. > > > > We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about > right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL > wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more meant > to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to days vs. > weeks or months. > > > > As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of > large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that > many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can fit > in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between larger > projects that can come up. > > > > If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time > sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits. > > > > Paul Dupuis > > Researchware > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecode Builder developer wanted
Hi Paul, You should have led with that information. Keys here: Not time sensitive. Pay competitive rates: What is your rate? Be upfront with that if you can. Thanks for clearing things up a bit. Cheers, Rick > On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > I've hired and managed independent software developers for various businesses > for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market. > > We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about > right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL > wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more meant to > suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to days vs. weeks or > months. > > As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of large > jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that many > contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can fit in and > around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between larger projects > that can come up. > > If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time sensitive, so > we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits. > > Paul Dupuis > Researchware ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecode Builder developer wanted
I've hired and managed independent software developers for various businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market. We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more meant to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to days vs. weeks or months. As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can fit in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between larger projects that can come up. If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits. Paul Dupuis Researchware On 7/28/2022 11:57 AM, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote: Hi Paul, I seriously doubt that anyone would be chomping at the bit for this task. First, you expect the person to spend their free time looking at the task to determine the effort and cost required to accomplish the task. There is no paid incentive to do that first step. If after the person gave you their estimate, and you decided you didn’t like it, then the developer has lost their time and effort for nothing. Secondly you have stated that you expect the effort required would be no more than 1 day. It’s very possible that your 1 day projection is completely off the mark. If it took the person more time than that, you would probably be dissatisfied. Who would want to deal with that? Thirdly, even if your projection of 1 day of effort was 100% correct, why would anyone want to bother trying to do the task for just one day’s pay? It simply isn’t worth the time or the hassle for any potential programmer to want to deal with the task for that reason alone. So yes, the bottom line here for you is that you indeed will have to work on the task yourself or it’s not going to get done at all. I hope you will keep this in mind for any future work you would like to have performed. I have to get back to my work here. I hope you have a fruitful and productive day! Cheers, Rick On Jul 28, 2022, at 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day). ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecode Builder developer wanted
Hi Paul, I seriously doubt that anyone would be chomping at the bit for this task. First, you expect the person to spend their free time looking at the task to determine the effort and cost required to accomplish the task. There is no paid incentive to do that first step. If after the person gave you their estimate, and you decided you didn’t like it, then the developer has lost their time and effort for nothing. Secondly you have stated that you expect the effort required would be no more than 1 day. It’s very possible that your 1 day projection is completely off the mark. If it took the person more time than that, you would probably be dissatisfied. Who would want to deal with that? Thirdly, even if your projection of 1 day of effort was 100% correct, why would anyone want to bother trying to do the task for just one day’s pay? It simply isn’t worth the time or the hassle for any potential programmer to want to deal with the task for that reason alone. So yes, the bottom line here for you is that you indeed will have to work on the task yourself or it’s not going to get done at all. I hope you will keep this in mind for any future work you would like to have performed. I have to get back to my work here. I hope you have a fruitful and productive day! Cheers, Rick > On Jul 28, 2022, at 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for > macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with experience at > making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to be a relatively > small effort (most likely no more than 1 day). ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecode Builder developer wanted
On 7/28/2022 8:39 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: I don't know if I'm surprised or not surprised that the LCB takeup seems to be low. Actually, I am surprised. I have seen mentioned on this list dozens of LCB widgets and libraries, including those developed by others and licensed by Livecode for the Summer Bundle. Not hundreds true, but many dozens. That implies to e there are at least a few dozen LCB developers out there. What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day). I can learn how to do this, but I expect it will take me 4-8 times as long. So basic math says that if I can find someone to perform the task for pay, it is likely a better option than my trying to spend the time to do it myself. I also figured, since it would seem to be a small job, that it might be attractive to an LCB developer out there to fill in and around other work they are doing. However, if there are no takers, then I guess I'll just make the time and jump in. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecode Builder developer wanted
I don't know if I'm surprised or not surprised that the LCB takeup seems to be low. On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 11:18 AM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Still looking for a LCB developer to build/configure Trevor's wrapper > for pocketsphinx for macOS also for Windows. > > > On 7/14/2022 3:50 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: > > I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3 > > years ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for > > pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for > > macOS and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx > > libraries for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further > > so it can just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the > > IDE and standalones. > > > > Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows > > interested? > > > > If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate. > > > > P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and > > unavailable. > > > > Paul Dupuis > > Researchware > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecode Builder developer wanted
Still looking for a LCB developer to build/configure Trevor's wrapper for pocketsphinx for macOS also for Windows. On 7/14/2022 3:50 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3 years ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for macOS and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx libraries for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further so it can just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the IDE and standalones. Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows interested? If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate. P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and unavailable. Paul Dupuis Researchware ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
