Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
On 12/15/2014 03:01 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/12/14 18:30, Dr. Hawkins wrote: If I do roll back, though, it's not going to be to wait for 7, but to get by until I figure out how to transfer my effort to another platform entirely. wait for 7 sounds odd as we, supposedly, have 7 as a done deal already. supposedly being the magic word. Calling any 7 to date beta would be geerous, at best. Frankly, If I could roll back the clock two and a half years, I'd choose something else. Supercard 1.5 and Hypercard 2.0, with the addition of database support, could have handled what I need (I can say that with certainty because I actually implemented essentially the same program on both twenty years ago, using cards in a stack as the database). I think your 'gripes' are because you have got onto the constantly upgrading conveyor belt, which, in my experience causes little but grief. My production work takes place on a 2005 G5 Macintosh running Livecode 4.5 on Mac OS 10.5.8. I do my Livecode playtime on a machine running a recent Linux version and all Open Source versions of LC up to and including 7.0.1 rc3 - but I certainly would NOT transfer all my Pismo, Grendel and Devawriter code to anything more than 4.5 which has served me extremely well for the last 5 years. I have no playtime for livecode; this is pure production work, replacing something that worked for my own use. *I* can do more with a spreadsheet than I ever could with livecode or another pure programming platform; I bought livecoe to implement for other people. My purposes are purely commercial, and I had no qualms about the $1k/year for the developer license suppot. And then with kickstarterer, the working and stable version--for which I'm licensed forever--is pretty much abandoned; end of life from before the extra years. I am well aware that most people need something more contemporary than what I use, but my advice would be to find something that works (e.g. LC 5.5) on a system that works, and stick with it as long as possible. At which point there's no reason for my having continued with newer licenses . . . Indeed. And if enough people don't pay for commercial licenses RunRev might start to feel the pinch and pull themselves together to consolidate an existing release rather than pelting hell-for-leather towards the bright new future. The other alternative is to keep selling a version 'down' in the fives and only releasing stuff in the sevens as Open Source until they have tuned things to a commercial standard: but that is going to cripple RunRev's cashflow. If livecode wants to be *commercial* license rather than a toy, it needs to put out commercial grade software. 'Tis true, me dear! Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
I was going to see if I could help triage these crash reports, but going back through the posts here I was unable to turn up the one with the bug report numbers. If you could kindly post those I'll see if I can confirm them and do what I can to help steward them through the process. To assist this process, it would be helpful if the submitter of those bug reports could check to see if the recipe provided still exhibits the error in v7.0.1rc4. TIA - -- Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Manager rich...@livecode.org ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
See ya. Bob S On Dec 14, 2014, at 08:30 , Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.commailto:doch...@gmail.com wrote: If I do roll back, though, it's not going to be to wait for 7, but to get by until I figure out how to transfer my effort to another platform entirely. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
Bug 14218 ÉrIC -- My NeXT computer will Be a Mac too! -- Le 15 déc. 2014 à 17:27, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com a écrit : I was going to see if I could help triage these crash reports, but going back through the posts here I was unable to turn up the one with the bug report numbers. If you could kindly post those I'll see if I can confirm them and do what I can to help steward them through the process. To assist this process, it would be helpful if the submitter of those bug reports could check to see if the recipe provided still exhibits the error in v7.0.1rc4. TIA - -- Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Manager rich...@livecode.org ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
Éric Miclo wrote: Bug 14218 Thank you, Éric. Submitted this morning and confirmed within hours of your submitting the example stack, hopefully this will be addressed in RC5. -- Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Manager rich...@livecode.org ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
Hi Richard , i think I experienced something similar. I filed this bug and I published a video, see http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14210 All the best Paolo Mazza -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/frequent-crashes-under-7-0-1-RC3-tp4686746p4686783.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
Paolo Mazza wrote: Hi Richard , i think I experienced something similar. I filed this bug and I published a video, see http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14210 Thank you for submitting that report. Very encouraging to see that while it was submitted only Friday, it's already marked as Fixed - Awaiting Build. -- Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Manager rich...@livecode.org ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
On 15/12/14 17:27, Richard Gaskin wrote: I was going to see if I could help triage these crash reports, but going back through the posts here I was unable to turn up the one with the bug report numbers. If you could kindly post those I'll see if I can confirm them and do what I can to help steward them through the process. To assist this process, it would be helpful if the submitter of those bug reports could check to see if the recipe provided still exhibits the error in v7.0.1rc4. That's going to be a tough call as rc4 hasn't been released yet. Richmond. TIA - ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
On 12/14/2014 02:44 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: Is anyone else seeing these? I haven't had this problem with any prior release. The only vaguely repeatable related event I've seen is that if I have an inspector open and change a custom property, it crashes if a piece of code tries to access that property before I leave the inspector. Yet another way that livecode eats 10-15 minutes of each hour of development . . . Well, if you must work with a release candidate I honestly don't understand why you are surprised there are problems. I do ALL my development using Livecode 4.5! Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
Richmond, if you want more than a nodding acquaintance with Unicode, I think you have to shift to the various versions of LC7. I know SOMETHING could be done in Unicode before this, but not the things I (and I suppose many others) wanted to do, however modest. FWIW, none of the LC7 release candidates have crashed on me, although I have noticed some odd things, all acknowledged by the mother ship as bugs but not show-stoppers. Still I think the current rc perfectly capable of producing a publishable desktop standalone. I suppose my mileage has varied- in a good way. Graham On 14 Dec 2014, at 09:17, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/14/2014 02:44 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: Is anyone else seeing these? I haven't had this problem with any prior release. The only vaguely repeatable related event I've seen is that if I have an inspector open and change a custom property, it crashes if a piece of code tries to access that property before I leave the inspector. Yet another way that livecode eats 10-15 minutes of each hour of development . . . Well, if you must work with a release candidate I honestly don't understand why you are surprised there are problems. I do ALL my development using Livecode 4.5! Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
Hello, Le 14 déc. 2014 à 02:44, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com a écrit : Is anyone else seeing these? I haven't had this problem with any prior release. Having the same problem. Using unicode doesn’t allow me to work with a previous version of LC. The only vaguely repeatable related event I've seen is that if I have an inspector open and change a custom property, it crashes if a piece of code tries to access that property before I leave the inspector. The most crashes came when a loop was running, but not only. Yet another way that livecode eats 10-15 minutes of each hour of development . . . Sadly yes.. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ÉrIC ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Well, if you must work with a release candidate I honestly don't understand why you are surprised there are problems. Because release candidate means more than beta; we think it's good to go, but need to confirm--whereas livecode release candidates are mid-alpha to early beta? I'm giving serious thought to going back to 5.5; the only thing I *need* from 7 is the scaling to soom in/out of windows, and the only other feature I'm using is pass by reference in some cases. If I do roll back, though, it's not going to be to wait for 7, but to get by until I figure out how to transfer my effort to another platform entirely. Frankly, If I could roll back the clock two and a half years, I'd choose something else. Supercard 1.5 and Hypercard 2.0, with the addition of database support, could have handled what I need (I can say that with certainty because I actually implemented essentially the same program on both twenty years ago, using cards in a stack as the database). -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
Richard, Sorry for your woes. I'm finding LC7 RC3 quite stable so far. Two things I found helpful: * Isolate LC7.x and any plug-ins, tool stacks and codebase stacks it uses on a separate user account or machine from the same resources used for LC6. * Be mindful of stack format versions by checking the stackFileVersion, because saving in earlier stack formats will wipe out any data/properties in your stacks added by later versions. For example, the advanced field properties introduced in LC5.5 are lost if the stackFileVersion is set earlier than 5.5. Good luck with lucky 7. Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/frequent-crashes-under-7-0-1-RC3-tp4686746p4686759.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:23 AM, tbodine bod...@bodinetraininggames.com wrote: Two things I found helpful: * Isolate LC7.x and any plug-ins, tool stacks and codebase stacks it uses on a separate user account or machine from the same resources used for LC6. I'm absolutely free of plugins and external stacks :) And I don't even install 6. I tried it, and the phantom strict-compile bug was far, far worse. So bad, in fact, that I would have to open stacks in 5.5 to recomplie, then reopen in 6 . . . (this also meant commenting out the (then) three lines of code for pixel scaling). Also, some things were just *too* slow (there was a thread about something with a button that was something like 400ms on 6 and 2ms on 5). * Be mindful of stack format versions by checking the stackFileVersion, because saving in earlier stack formats will wipe out any data/properties in your stacks added by later versions. For example, the advanced field properties introduced in LC5.5 are lost if the stackFileVersion is set earlier than 5.5. I haven't used any of them :) The older properties would be retained, wouldn't they? All I want from unicode (or whatever) is to deal with stuff pasted in from fools who used microsoft character sets on web pages or pdf documents meant to be used on multiple platforms. (particularly the section symbol and quotes) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
On 14/12/14 18:30, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Well, if you must work with a release candidate I honestly don't understand why you are surprised there are problems. Because release candidate means more than beta; we think it's good to go, but need to confirm--whereas livecode release candidates are mid-alpha to early beta? I'm giving serious thought to going back to 5.5; the only thing I *need* from 7 is the scaling to soom in/out of windows, and the only other feature I'm using is pass by reference in some cases. If I do roll back, though, it's not going to be to wait for 7, but to get by until I figure out how to transfer my effort to another platform entirely. wait for 7 sounds odd as we, supposedly, have 7 as a done deal already. Frankly, If I could roll back the clock two and a half years, I'd choose something else. Supercard 1.5 and Hypercard 2.0, with the addition of database support, could have handled what I need (I can say that with certainty because I actually implemented essentially the same program on both twenty years ago, using cards in a stack as the database). I think your 'gripes' are because you have got onto the constantly upgrading conveyor belt, which, in my experience causes little but grief. My production work takes place on a 2005 G5 Macintosh running Livecode 4.5 on Mac OS 10.5.8. I do my Livecode playtime on a machine running a recent Linux version and all Open Source versions of LC up to and including 7.0.1 rc3 - but I certainly would NOT transfer all my Pismo, Grendel and Devawriter code to anything more than 4.5 which has served me extremely well for the last 5 years. I am well aware that most people need something more contemporary than what I use, but my advice would be to find something that works (e.g. LC 5.5) on a system that works, and stick with it as long as possible. If it ain't broke, don't fix, upgrade, or disturb it. Richmond. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/12/14 18:30, Dr. Hawkins wrote: If I do roll back, though, it's not going to be to wait for 7, but to get by until I figure out how to transfer my effort to another platform entirely. wait for 7 sounds odd as we, supposedly, have 7 as a done deal already. supposedly being the magic word. Calling any 7 to date beta would be geerous, at best. Frankly, If I could roll back the clock two and a half years, I'd choose something else. Supercard 1.5 and Hypercard 2.0, with the addition of database support, could have handled what I need (I can say that with certainty because I actually implemented essentially the same program on both twenty years ago, using cards in a stack as the database). I think your 'gripes' are because you have got onto the constantly upgrading conveyor belt, which, in my experience causes little but grief. My production work takes place on a 2005 G5 Macintosh running Livecode 4.5 on Mac OS 10.5.8. I do my Livecode playtime on a machine running a recent Linux version and all Open Source versions of LC up to and including 7.0.1 rc3 - but I certainly would NOT transfer all my Pismo, Grendel and Devawriter code to anything more than 4.5 which has served me extremely well for the last 5 years. I have no playtime for livecode; this is pure production work, replacing something that worked for my own use. *I* can do more with a spreadsheet than I ever could with livecode or another pure programming platform; I bought livecoe to implement for other people. My purposes are purely commercial, and I had no qualms about the $1k/year for the developer license suppot. And then with kickstarterer, the working and stable version--for which I'm licensed forever--is pretty much abandoned; end of life from before the extra years. I am well aware that most people need something more contemporary than what I use, but my advice would be to find something that works (e.g. LC 5.5) on a system that works, and stick with it as long as possible. At which point there's no reason for my having continued with newer licenses . . . If livecode wants to be *commercial* license rather than a toy, it needs to put out commercial grade software. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
