Doco

[Juan macarena]

Hi there

I just found out about the existence of Revolution and
I am quite impresed with it. Unfortunatelly I couldn't
find any website with proper documentation about it, a
ref manual or some thing. Can sombody help mi?



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Re: Doco

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

on 1/25/02 1:06 AM, Juan macarena at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi there
> 
> I just found out about the existence of Revolution and
> I am quite impresed with it. Unfortunatelly I couldn't
> find any website with proper documentation about it, a
> ref manual or some thing. Can sombody help mi?
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Hello Juan,

Check it out...

< http://www.runrev.com >

Have fun...

Best regards,
Ken N.

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Re: copy a image/binary file on a mac

[Ben Rubinstein]

on 24/1/02 10:05 PM, Kevin Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I wasn't aware of any issues outstanding: I thought we had that one all
> fixed and working right on all the platforms? ;-)

Beg your pardon, you're quite right.  I hadn't realised it had been fixed.

Now... where would I have found that information?  Has there been any real
release notes published for 1.1.1, or even 1.1?

An excellent example is BBEdit; every version comes with comprehensive
release notes briefly detailing all bugs fixed, features added etc (and the
current and previous release notes are available on the web site, also very
helpful for someone wondering whether to upgrade).  An example:
http://www.barebones.com/support/bbedit/bbedit-notes.html

Metrowerks do something very similar with CodeWarrior.  Like those products,
Revolution is a complex and detailed tool, used by developers.  To get the
best out of that tool - and to know when to upgrade, how to approach a beta,
etc, they need decent release notes.

Please?

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Re: Doco

[Ben Rubinstein]

on 25/1/02 9:06 AM, Juan macarena at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I just found out about the existence of Revolution and
> I am quite impresed with it. Unfortunatelly I couldn't
> find any website with proper documentation about it, a
> ref manual or some thing. Can sombody help mi?

The documentation is internal to the product.  Download the starter kit
(free) from


Launch it, and click the "Docs" button at the far right of the toolbar.
There's lots there!
 
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Re: Filetype creator & type [OT]

[Ben Rubinstein]

on 24/1/02 8:28 AM, Geoff Canyon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> [snip] testing the script in Script Editor was the last thing I did before my
> hard drive decided to die...
> 
> I've now revived it (I think) and although I'm sure Script Editor wasn't the
> source of the problem [snip]

Geoff,

You obviously haven't seen this dangerous use of Script Editor:
http://www.macscripter.net/unscripted.html

(It's a great AppleScript story.  Summary: someone's iMac was stolen - but
had Timbuktu on it.  They were able to insert a 'suicide script' to trash
their personal data - and then reveal the thief's telephone number,
ultimately getting the machine back!)

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Re: Import text

[Ben Rubinstein]

on 24/1/02 7:02 PM, Geoff Canyon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've written exports to RTF, which isn't too hard. Writing an importer would
> be more work.

I've been meaning to ask this, because it's needed for getting styled text
from the Windows clipboard.  Has anyone done an RTF importer?
 
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Re: Import text

[Ben Rubinstein]

on 24/1/02 7:02 PM, Geoff Canyon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've written exports to RTF, which isn't too hard. Writing an importer would
> be more work.

I've been meaning to ask this, because it's critical to getting styled text
from the Windows clipboard.  Has anyone done an RTF importer?

 
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inspect calling chain?

[Ben Rubinstein]

Is there any way inside transcript to inspect the calling chain?
Specifically, is there a way for a handler or function to find out the name
of the handler or function which called it?

TIA,
 
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Re: Doco

[Arthur Evans Jr]

At 09:06 + 2002.01.25, Juan macarena wrote:
>Hi there
>
>I just found out about the existence of Revolution and
>I am quite impresed with it. Unfortunatelly I couldn't
>find any website with proper documentation about it, a
>ref manual or some thing. Can sombody help mi?

There is no Reference Manual, an unfortunate situation.  However,
there is lots of internal documentation about the product, as
already described, plus useful tutorials from other sources.

I find that usually I can eventually find answers from the
documentation that is available.  Moreover, questions posted on
this list are promptly answered.

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Re: Scrolling graphic

[Jean-Pierre Messier]

>>HI!
>>
>>How I can scroll an image inside the stack like a scrolling field?
>>
>>Thanks
>
>Put the graphic into its own group, reduce group to required minimum 
>size, lock the group's location, turn on scroll bar.  You'll now 
>have a scrollable group which contains a single graphic.  You can do 
>this with any content, just group it all and make sure you've locked 
>the group location to stop it attempting to auto-size.
>

Very Cool... that's work

Many Thanks


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Re: Distribution build question

[Bill Vlahos]

That is truly stunning.

Bill Vlahos

On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 01:51  PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 22/1/02 7:34 am, Richard D. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Following the distribution build, it appears as though only the single
>> standalone stack is different from one platform to the next. My other 
>> stacks
>> have all been modified from before the build, but each specific stack
>> appears to be the same after the build regardless of whether they are
>> destined for Mac, Windows, Linux, etc. Is this correct? Are they all
>> interchangeable (except for the standalone) after the build? (I'm not 
>> using
>> any special options on these stacks during the build process).
>
> Yes.
>
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Re: Deleting Substacks

[Geoff Canyon]

At 6:56 PM -1000 1/24/02, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>How do you do delete substacks from a stack file? I don't see anyway to do
>it in rev...something simple, but how?
>
>delete stack "Ask Dialog" of stack "WedEditor"
>delete substack "Ask Dialog" of stack "WedEditor"

I think just

delete stack "Ask Dialog"

Will do the trick...

regards,

Geoff

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Re: go to several stcks in same window

[Björnke von Gierke]

On Donnerstag, Januar 24, 2002, at 10:50  Uhr, Kevin Miller wrote:

>> oh, another question: What is the ASCII value of the arrow keys?
>
> If you want to do this with rawKeyDown...
well if there are other ways, why don't you just tell me what else there 
is? I mean, its only the way the Documentation told me to do... 
unfortunately they didn't write WHAT ASCII numbers the keys are, only 
that they are needed.
> ... then just create a handler which puts
> the value of a key into a field and press each key you want the number 
> for.
>
grr..
I already did that!
but I got unusable garbage:
Key: Upward
NumtoChar:  R (Hu what the hell??? anyway pressing shift-r does NOT move 
your cursor upwards in a listfield!)
ChartoNum: 65362 (thats a pretty good joke, as ASCII only has 256 
numbers to begin with...)
S 65363 to the right
T 65364 downunder
Q 65361 lefty

and for some additional fun, here the "Real" ASCII nrs. of...
R 82 shift- r
S 83 shift- s
T 84 shift- t
Q 81 shift- q

(Note: after rereading some of the questions People ask here, i 
realized, that not everyone first looks at every place he has access to, 
before asking other people for help... So sorry for the strange 
answer)

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Re: How to Window Standalone

[Kevin Miller]

On 25/1/02 12:25 am, David Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> sounds good... but no OS X Serial access...?

Not in beta 2.  I don't have any further information as yet on this but I
hope to have soon...

Kevin

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Re: Deleting Substacks

[Kevin Miller]

On 25/1/02 5:09 pm, Geoff Canyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> How do you do delete substacks from a stack file? I don't see anyway to do
>> it in rev...something simple, but how?
>> 
>> delete stack "Ask Dialog" of stack "WedEditor"
>> delete substack "Ask Dialog" of stack "WedEditor"
> 
> I think just
> 
> delete stack "Ask Dialog"
> 
> Will do the trick...

To be sure that you have deleted your dialogs and not ours you may need to
do this twice, then save your stack but not any part of the Rev environment,
quit and reopen to restore the rev stacks.  We recommend you always use the
Rev Distribution Builder to copy the latest versions of the dialog into your
stack rather than ever saving these stacks as subStacks yourself.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Rev unstable

[Roger Amar]

Since I got no reply to this msg, I resend it to the list



Hi Kevin,

I'm new to Revolution, but an old C, Hypercard and Supercard developer on
the Macintosh platform.
I ordered for the Cross-grade Supercard option and just installed
Revolution.
My problem is that I can't use it for the moment, since it's continuously
quitting with error 2 or 3, sometimes when I change properties, or on
testing a very short standalone, when I click the help menu which is the
only menu, called "Aide" in the french MacOS, or with no reason.

I disabled the Input Sprocket extension as recommended with no success.

After half an hour of efforts, I succeeded in building a very small
standalone for Windows.
When I tried to launch it on my PC, this standalone takes about 3 minutes to
appear on the screen every time I double-click on it !

I downloaded the 1.1.1-B1 version which worked 2 or 3 times only and now
can't open anymore : when I double-click on it, only appears the help menu.
When I click this menu, I get quitting when an error 3

My mac platform is :
G4/750 MHz 512 Mb RAM
17" Apple flat display
MacOS 9.2.1 french
Revolution is allowed 24 Mb memory.

CodeWarrior and Supercard work fine on this G4.

What's wrong ???

Thanks a lot for a prompt reply.

Roger Amar

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Re: copy a image/binary file on a mac

[Kevin Miller]

On 25/1/02 11:35 am, Ben Rubinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I wasn't aware of any issues outstanding: I thought we had that one all
>> fixed and working right on all the platforms? ;-)
> 
> Beg your pardon, you're quite right.  I hadn't realised it had been fixed.
> 
> Now... where would I have found that information?  Has there been any real
> release notes published for 1.1.1, or even 1.1?
> 
> An excellent example is BBEdit; every version comes with comprehensive
> release notes briefly detailing all bugs fixed, features added etc (and the
> current and previous release notes are available on the web site, also very
> helpful for someone wondering whether to upgrade).  An example:
>   http://www.barebones.com/support/bbedit/bbedit-notes.html
> 
> Metrowerks do something very similar with CodeWarrior.  Like those products,
> Revolution is a complex and detailed tool, used by developers.  To get the
> best out of that tool - and to know when to upgrade, how to approach a beta,
> etc, they need decent release notes.
> 
> Please?

Indeed, we will improve in this area.  It obviously does affect a lot of
people if notes like these aren't available.  I can't promise for beta 2,
but this whole area of our operation is being looked at...

Kevin 

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Re: inspect calling chain?

[Kevin Miller]

On 25/1/02 12:58 pm, Ben Rubinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there any way inside transcript to inspect the calling chain?
> Specifically, is there a way for a handler or function to find out the name
> of the handler or function which called it?

At present no, not beyond getting the target of the object that got the
original message.

Kevin

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Re: Rev unstable

[Kevin Miller]

On 25/1/02 6:06 pm, Roger Amar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Since I got no reply to this msg, I resend it to the list
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> I'm new to Revolution, but an old C, Hypercard and Supercard developer on
> the Macintosh platform.
> I ordered for the Cross-grade Supercard option and just installed
> Revolution.
> My problem is that I can't use it for the moment, since it's continuously
> quitting with error 2 or 3, sometimes when I change properties, or on
> testing a very short standalone, when I click the help menu which is the
> only menu, called "Aide" in the french MacOS, or with no reason.
> 
> I disabled the Input Sprocket extension as recommended with no success.
> 
> After half an hour of efforts, I succeeded in building a very small
> standalone for Windows.
> When I tried to launch it on my PC, this standalone takes about 3 minutes to
> appear on the screen every time I double-click on it !
> 
> I downloaded the 1.1.1-B1 version which worked 2 or 3 times only and now
> can't open anymore : when I double-click on it, only appears the help menu.
> When I click this menu, I get quitting when an error 3
> 
> My mac platform is :
> G4/750 MHz 512 Mb RAM
> 17" Apple flat display
> MacOS 9.2.1 french
> Revolution is allowed 24 Mb memory.
> 
> CodeWarrior and Supercard work fine on this G4.
> 
> What's wrong ???
> 
> Thanks a lot for a prompt reply.

Can you send me an Apple System Profiler report off-list?  Have you tried
reinstalling 1.1.1B1?  The only (rare) crash-related problems we are aware
of will be fixed in B2 which will be available shortly...

Kevin

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Re: Which XCMDs obsolete in RR?

[Kevin Miller]

On 18/1/02 7:49 am, Terry Vogelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Like most HC-users, I frequently used XCMDs. But since Revolution is more
> complete, many XCMDs became obsolete.
> 
> Now my question is: couldn't we make a list of which XCMD is replaced by
> which internal RR-function?
> 
> Also, such a list could be placed on the Runtime website or in the
> Revolution documentation.

If anyone compiles such a list we would be happy to publish it on our
site...

Kevin

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Re: go to several stcks in same window

[Rob Cozens]

>Note: after rereading some of the questions People ask here, i
>realized, that not everyone first looks at every place he has access to,
>before asking other people for help

Hi Björnke,

It's a fundamental trait of human nature, and one should realize that when
writing user documentation and providing user support.

In 1976 when taking delivery of Oakland Police Dept's. first MIS
minicomputer, I asked the Data General service tech if there were
characteristic problems encountered by first-time users.  "Mainly 'RTFM's",
he replied.

I subsequently learned the acronym resolves to "Read The F...ing Manual!".
In a quarter century of trouble-shooting and end-user support, RTFMs are
still the most prevalent types of problems I encounter.

And if that isn't bad enough, there are lazy people such as moi who are
inclined to ask the group to see if anyone else has encountered the problem
before scripting a simple test or trying a few alternative approaches.

It's not necessarily a bad thing: I often pick up bits of information from
questions & answers that help me weeks or months later on some project I
didn't even have in mind when I read the original messages.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
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Re: Some kind of memory/purge error

[Michael Fisher]

Richard D. Miller wrote:

> I'm encountering several problems with proper purging of stacks. Here's
> the
> simplest example:
>
> I have several stacks open (some are substacks).
> I close one stack (which has the destroystack and destroywindow commands
> in
> it)
> I check the revloadedstacks function and the Application Overview...both
> show the stack as being purged. No sign of it.
> I go to open a different stack which has the SAME stack name (but a
> different file name).
> I immediately get a dialog box asking what I want to do with the previous
> stack (i.e. which has the same stack name).

I can't seem to reproduce this, although I did notice a situation where the
Application Overview doesn't update correctly to remove the listing for a
stack that has been removed from memory.

Would it be possible for you to send me the 2 stacks of the same name?
  Cheers,
 Michael
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Re: XCMDs esp. RecordIt

[Gary O.Roelofs]

Rinaldi's XCMDS were wonderful; and I used them in HC for Language Learning stacks. I 
haven't had much time to explore runrev, but I'd be very interested in contacting 
others who are using a lot of sound resources for their programs, especially those who 
are giving users the option of recording their own voices.
Any one out there?

cheers
gary roelofs
ESL instructor

Re: go to several stcks in same window

[Sjoerd Op 't Land]

rawKeyDown keyNumber
keyDown keyName

keyName is an ASCII char (8bit)
keyNumber is a key ID number (16 bit)

charToNum(keyName) will return a number between 0 and 2^8
numToChar(keyNumber) shouldn't return anything, because the input can
possibly be a number higher than 2^8, so won't be a valid ASCII number.

Hope this clarifies some things...

Regards, / Groeten,
Sjoerd

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Decompress and different platforms

[Tim]

Title: Decompress and different platforms



Hi,

One way I share one revo project between 2 platforms (PC and Mac) is by having the shell stack (the stack that opens the real modifiable stack) compress and ftp the stack that gets modified to a server. Then the same shell stack on a different platform downloads the modified stack and does the same thing. The script looks something like this:

-- Script in the shell stack

on preOpenStack
  get the platform
  if it is "MacOS" then
put "PowerBookHD/Revolution Projects/someProject.rev" into tLocalFile
  else
put "C:/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Desktop/someProject.rev" into tLocalFile
  end if
  set the cursor to busy
  put URL "ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/www/somefolder/someProject.rev" into tRemoteFile
  put decompress(tRemoteFile) into URL tLocalFile
  toplevel stack tLocalFile
end preOpenStack


--Script in the “Close” button of the modifiable stack that gets uploaded

on mouseUp
  get the platform
  if it is "MacOS" then
put "PowerBookHD/Revolution Projects/someProject.rev" into tLocalFile
  else
put "C:/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Desktop/someProject.rev" into tLocalFile
  end if
  set the cursor to busy
  save stack "someProject.rev"
 put compress(tLocalFile) into URL "ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/www/somefolder/someProject.rev"
  close stack "someProject.rev"
end mouseUp

--End of Tip--

Now, everything worked fine until I tried it under OS X. Now when I open the shell stack and it tries to download and decompress someProject.rev, I get the following error message:

Error description: decompress: string is not compressed data

SomeProject.rev does not open. While compressing it and uploading is no problem. I should add that both comression/decompression work fine under W2K. The problem is only under OS X. Anyone have any thoughts?

TIA,
-- 
Tim

The check in a menu item

[Terry Vogelaar]

In a menu I have 3 items that can be checked. When the check appears in the
1st item, it should be removed from the 2nd and the 3rd item, and so on.

But there is something about checking I don't understand. When I want a
menu-item to be checked, I put "!c" before the line of that item. But when I
want to move the check from that item to another, I get (or RR gets)
confused. If I just remove the "!c" from the first line and then add "!c" to
the second, I have 2 items checked instead of one. But when I remove replace
the "!c" with a "!n", the check is gone. Then I check a third item. Then
chaos begins. "!n" is visible in the 1st item. And the more I swap the
menus, the more "!n!n!n"s I see.

With a lot of extra scripting, I managed to let it work reasonably reliable.
But I've got a feeling it should be less complex.

BTW, why is there a "!n" or a "!u" anyway? I think the check/diamond should
be gone as soon as the "!c"/"!r" is gone.

Terry


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