Re: Why doesn't this work, please?

[Bill Vlahos]

Roger,

There is nothing wrong with your script. A bug in the Revolution IDE 
(Integrated Development Environment) sometimes prevents "choose browse 
tool" to work. This is fixed in the 2.0 version.

The good news is that what you want to do will work fine in any 
standalone you create. It is just in the IDE where it won't work.

Bill Vlahos

On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 08:08  PM, Roger Guay wrote:

Hi folks,

I'm using the following script to clone an invisible button "Video" 
and renaming the clones.  And, despite my attempts to "choose browse 
tool" the selector tool comes up every time this script is executed:

On mouseDown
  global Vn
  add 1 to Vn
  clone button "video"
  set the name of last card button to "V"&Vn
  set the visible of last card button to true
  choose Browse Tool
end mouseDown

on mouseleave
  choose Browse Tool
end mouseleave


Can anyone help?

Thanks, Roger

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Why doesn't this work, please?

[Roger Guay]

Hi folks,

I'm using the following script to clone an invisible button "Video" and 
renaming the clones.  And, despite my attempts to "choose browse tool" 
the selector tool comes up every time this script is executed:

On mouseDown
  global Vn
  add 1 to Vn
  clone button "video"
  set the name of last card button to "V"&Vn
  set the visible of last card button to true
  choose Browse Tool
end mouseDown

on mouseleave
  choose Browse Tool
end mouseleave


Can anyone help?

Thanks, Roger

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Re: General Lists vs Special Lists

[David Vaughan]

On Saturday, Nov 23, 2002, at 12:07 Australia/Sydney, Rob Cozens wrote:


Dear miscdas,

"Sin in haste, repent at leisure:"

snip

Don't get too stressed about it Rob. Forgiveness works pretty well, and 
bounce can be restored. You are not Robinson Crusoe and I for one would 
look for unrepentant persistence before I worried about sanctions. You 
are not within a bull's roar of that as I am sure others will write 
publicly and privately to say.

cheers
David

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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RE: General Lists vs Special Lists

[Rob Cozens]

Dear miscdas,

"Sin in haste, repent at leisure:"

I have spent much of this day trying to find the best way to 
apologize to you, and searching for justification for what I 
ultimately concluded was totally inexcusable behavior on my part.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, and you deserved a 
courteous, thoughtful reply like you got from everyone but me.

I have no excuse...it is (to use today's vernacular) so NOT what I'm 
all about.  I hope as time passes and we get to know each other 
better, you will agree.

If you are angry with me, you have a right, and if you would like to 
vent privately, I promise a courteous, conciliatory reply (or I will 
wimp out and not replay: but hopefully, you'll feel better anyway).

Rob

To All List Members:

If I can't demonstrate good List behavior, I should be pointed to as 
an example of what is inappropriate  behavior on the kind of Balanced 
List I described.

Confrontation is not the way to win the hearts and minds of fellow 
list members.  Such behavior on a continuing & unrepentant basis 
should be cause for dismissal from the List.

I consider myself warned, down one strike, and on probation.

If I can't find a non-confrontational way to respond, I won't respond at all.

I grovel in mortification.
--

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: Http or https

[Dar Scott]

On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 04:01 PM, Alex Rice wrote:


OK who wants to write an external to wrap libcurl? 
( http://curl.sourceforge.net/ ) Or, if you are running OS X, the curl 
command comes pre-installed and you could definitely run it from the 
shell.

"Curl is a command line tool for transferring files with URL syntax, 
supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, GOPHER, TELNET, DICT, FILE and LDAP. 
Curl supports HTTPS certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, 
kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, user+password 
authentication, file transfer resume, http proxy tunneling and a 
busload of other useful tricks."

It's been two hours since Alex wrote this.  I would have expected a 
short script using the Revolution shell command (or the workaround for 
OS X for Revolution 1.1.1) by now.  I just glanced at the site and it 
looks looks like binaries with SSL are available for Windows, OS X and 
lots of Linuxes.

We need more list showoffs!!

Dar Scott

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Re: Http or https

[Alex Rice]

On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 05:02  PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


IMHO, the proper way to go about this is to use OpenSSL 
(www.openssl.org)
source and create externals for Mac,PC,Linux which work with LibURL. 
In this
way, the basic syntax can stay consistent, and you don't have to add
redundant features by creating a whole new URL library.

In either case, LibCurl would be the way to go. LibCurl itself uses 
OpenSSL. OpenSSL is a relatively low-level crypto toolkit. It knows 
nothing about networking or URLs... which is what LibCurl brings into 
the picture.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
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RE: Http or https

[Chipp Walters]

I got a question for all of you https users Exactly what do you want it
for? Please cite some examples. IOW, would it be better to have an encrypt
tool instead? There seem to be lots of workarounds for a *mostly* secure
solution using RR/MC. (md5digest with base64encode offset by your
birthdate;-)

My understanding of one of the basics of public/private key encryption is
that the client 'browser' side doesn't need to know the challenge phrase.
But, if you're building the client (RR or MC) then it's easy to embed the
challenge phrase. Now, I'm not so sure you can build international banking
applications this way, but surely you can do a 99% protection.

I guess I'd like to better understand a 'case' where I couldn't solve the
problem in RR/MC.

Next question... how much would everyone be willing to pay for an https
external?

$0
$1000

somewhere in-between?

-Chipp

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Re: Http or https

[Iago]

On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Chipp Walters wrote:

> IMHO, the proper way to go about this is to use OpenSSL
> (www.openssl.org) source and create externals for
> Mac,PC,Linux which work with LibURL. In this way, the
> basic syntax can stay consistent, and you don't have to
> add redundant features by creating a whole new URL
> library.

  This was much my thought, but I have no idea how to make
  it so.

  Like I said, I'm wearing my patient hat.

-- 
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RE: Http or https

[Chipp Walters]

IMHO, the proper way to go about this is to use OpenSSL (www.openssl.org)
source and create externals for Mac,PC,Linux which work with LibURL. In this
way, the basic syntax can stay consistent, and you don't have to add
redundant features by creating a whole new URL library.

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Re: Http or https

[Alex Rice]

On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 04:33  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


And I thought to have found the ideal tool for development in RR and 
again
run into a project which proves me wrong...
GRR

There is no ideal tool. For each unique project there is an ideal 
tool(s) but there is no such thing as THE ideal tool. If you require 
SSL downloads then yes, Rev is not the ideal tool.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
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Re: Http or https

[Alex Rice]

On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 04:21  PM, Iago wrote:


  Personally, I'd prefer an internal implementation, since
  the URLs in my case are liable to have username/password
  components, ala https://foo:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

  I'd rather that not show up in a ps listing because I
  launched an external command. :)


You're right, this would be a drawback of using curl from the shell & 
command line. However, if it were a Rev. "external" it would actually 
be "internal" :-) No ps listing to be seen because it would be in the 
same process as Rev.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
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Re: Http or https

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

And I thought to have found the ideal tool for development in RR and again
run into a project which proves me wrong...
GRR

Please, anyone, do us all a favour and build this external... Even as a link
to this curl-thing, it's better then nothing... And it will give our
Scottish friends a little time off when the release 2.0...

Ton aka Dopey

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Re: Http or https

[Iago]

  Personally, I'd prefer an internal implementation, since
  the URLs in my case are liable to have username/password
  components, ala https://foo:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

  I'd rather that not show up in a ps listing because I
  launched an external command. :)

  But who am I to speak? I haven't learned much about the
  actual construction yet, because all practical learning
  projects I have in mind involve working with https. So I
  patiently await the fruits of others' labors.

  Thanks, by the way, to the others. :)

On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Alex Rice wrote:

> OK who wants to write an external to wrap libcurl? (
> http://curl.sourceforge.net/ ) Or, if you are running OS
> X, the curl command comes pre-installed and you could
> definitely run it from the shell.
> 
> "Curl is a command line tool for transferring files with
> URL syntax, supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, GOPHER,
> TELNET, DICT, FILE and LDAP. Curl supports HTTPS
> certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading,
> kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies,
> user+password authentication, file transfer resume, http
> proxy tunneling and a busload of other useful tricks."
> 
> Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research
> Consultants, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Http or https

[Alex Rice]

On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 03:27  PM, Iago wrote:


  It's a known limitation, yes. Once they release 2.0,
  apparently https/ssl support is "up next" on the list, but
  I suspect that still means at least several months in
  coming. A pity, really, because until that happens, I'm
  not able to write the apps I want to for my place of work.


OK who wants to write an external to wrap libcurl? ( 
http://curl.sourceforge.net/ ) Or, if you are running OS X, the curl 
command comes pre-installed and you could definitely run it from the 
shell.

"Curl is a command line tool for transferring files with URL syntax, 
supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, GOPHER, TELNET, DICT, FILE and LDAP. 
Curl supports HTTPS certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, 
kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, user+password 
authentication, file transfer resume, http proxy tunneling and a 
busload of other useful tricks."

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
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RE: Controls of Stack

[Monte Goulding]

> I believe the recommended approach to translation is to use the
> Profile Manager to preconfigure each control for each language
> supported.  I personally do not use this approach because I want my
> app to be translatable into any (Western) language, not just those it
> ships with.

My thoughts exactly. I'm thinking of creating an interface for user
translation and then asking them to send them to me.

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Re: Rev 2.0

[erik hansen]

--- Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As an aside there are two articles in MacLife
> Germany:
> >
> > 11/2002 A full and excellent review of
> Revolution 1.1.1
> > 12/2002 A tutorial of 1.1.1
> 
> we all should give a very big hand to our
> german revolutionist
> Mr. Malte Brill, who wrote these two articles.

are these on the web?

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Re: General Lists vs Special Lists

[erik hansen]

--- Rob Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >calmate Rob, where is your sense of irony?
> 
> My apologies, Erik.
> 
> We had not conversed enough for me to know
> whether to take your 
> initial comment as a warning or an order. 
> Sorry I was in the frame 
> of mind to assume the worst instead of the
> best.
> 
> I'm glad your were entertained, and sorry I
> spoiled it by being confrontational.

just keep those artful comments coming!

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Re: Http or https

[Iago]

  It's a known limitation, yes. Once they release 2.0,
  apparently https/ssl support is "up next" on the list, but
  I suspect that still means at least several months in
  coming. A pity, really, because until that happens, I'm
  not able to write the apps I want to for my place of work.

On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm building a small application to get some information
> from a website.
> 
> When an url starts with 'http' everything works fine, but
> now I need to acces information from a database (I think)
> and the url starts with 'https'. The result remains empty,
> nothing is returned, while the url pasted directly into
> Explorer gives me the result I need...
> 
> Is this a known limitation?
> 
> The url I use is:
> https://www.notams.jcs.mil/distribution/query.html?locid=&locidl=EBBR&textTy
> pe=report&but2=Help
> 
> Any advise is welcome...

-- 
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Re: Strange script error

[Robert Presender]

On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 09:01  AM, Barry Levine wrote:

Will adding the stack name do it: vis,  go card "quiz" of stack 
"whatever" ?

Regards  Bob

I have a handler in an Image object (id 1054) on the second card (id
1051) in my stack:

on mouseUp
	set the currentFrame of me to 1
	go card "quiz"
	-- that's the first card in the stack; it's named "quiz"
	--
	-- this is a two-frame gif used as a rollover button
	-- we reset it to frame 1 before we leave
end mouseUp


When I click on the image I am brought to the first card but an error
message occurs:

Error description:  Handler: error in statement
go card "quiz"
Line: 3 Character: 1
Value: mouseUp

Error description:  Object Name:

Line: 0 Character: 0
Value: image id 1054 of card id 1051 of stack "/Macintosh
HD/Users/blevine/Demo Apps/Revolution 1.1.1/Rhyming Pairs.112002.rev"


Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,
Barry


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[OT] report manager in rev 2.0; what to do today?

[Alex Rice]

I am looking at the Report Manager scren grab on 
http://runrev.com/news/revolution20.html . Is the Report Manager just a 
GUI for already existing programmatic interfaces, or are there new 
printing features being delivered?

In 1.1.1, I want to print a report containing a very large scrolling 
group. If I print the card, it only prints what's visisible, with the 
scrollbar. I am thinking I should lock screen, copy the group to a 
custom sized card, and print that card, then unlock screen. Sound right?

Or is there anything upcoming in 2.0 that will make this job easier and 
or better looking?

TIA

Alex Rice, Software Developer
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Http or https

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Title: Http or https



I’m building a small application to get some information from a website.

When an url starts with “http” everything works fine, but now I need to acces information from a database (I think) and the url starts with “https”.
The result remains empty, nothing is returned, while the url pasted directly into Explorer gives me the result I need...

Is this a known limitation?

The url I use is: https://www.notams.jcs.mil/distribution/query.html?locid=&locidl=EBBR&textType=report&but2=Help

Any advise is welcome...

Regards,

Ton aka Dopey

Re: Schedule for 2.0

[Wolfgang M. Bereuter]

On Freitag, November 22, 2002, at 05:23  Uhr, Troy Rollins wrote:


An updated beta sometime soon? Doesn't the feature set need "real 
world"
testing? (Preferably one with an enabled builder.)

I dont understand this too... Why not a beta?

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

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High precision decimal arithmetic

[Dar Scott]

Some months ago some discussion indicated some limitations to the 
available precision and to use of a binary point in Revolution 
arithmetic.

I'm hoping to get my workload down by mid December so that I can take a 
couple days to build my first pass at a high precision decimal 
arithmetic library.  By "decimal", I mean a virtual decimal point.  By 
"high precision", I mean more digits than standard.  I will start out 
simple and then perhaps make something fancier.  I'll add trig and such 
to what I like best.

This kind of thing has advantages but has some obvious disadvantages.  
All operations and most relations will be by functions, making 
expressions a little harder to read.  Computation time will be much 
slower.  Conversion to and from text strings will most likely have to be 
explicit.

I have a couple questions.

1.
Am I reinventing the wheel?  Does someone have something like this 
available or in the oven?

2.
I got to thinking that there might be others interested in this kind of 
thing and there might be an advantage to me to make something that meets 
popular needs.  (I'm content should I be the only one.)

What kind of high precision decimal arithmetic would people be 
interested in tinkering with, find useful, or even have needs for?  How 
many digits total?  How many digits to the right of the decimal point?

Some ideas:

Fixed point--  18 digits total, six past the decimal point?  30 digits 
total, 12 past the decimal point?

Floating point--  18 digits total?  36 digits total?  Total digits at 
least as much as specified in a property?

Indefinite--  total digits limited by memory (or property?).  12 digits 
to the right of the decimal point?  Digits to the right greater than or 
equal a number in a property?

I have almost a month before I hope to make a stab at this, so your 
pondering a little before commenting is OK for my schedule.

Dar Scott

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re: Strange script error

[Barry Levine]

I think I resolved the error. I added "of this stack" to the code, so:

go card "quiz"

becomes:

go card "quiz" of this stack

I would've thought that the message hierarchy could handle this as the 
card of that name resides in the current stack.
Guess I have to be more specific. I'm probably spoiled by my HyperCard 
days. (*grin*)

Barry

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Re: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #870 - 15 msgs

[Kevin Miller]

On 22/11/02 4:58 pm, Maitzen, Michael R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I asked this earlier but I did not get a reply. This may be because you
> already answered this earlier but, if so, I missed it. Will there be a printed
> addendum to the printed manuals when the update comes out? pdf files maybe? Or
> will it just be in the on-line help.

We will be updating the online help (extensively) and there will be a new
set of printed manuals available.

Kevin

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RE: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #870 - 15 msgs

[Maitzen, Michael R.]

I asked this earlier but I did not get a reply. This may be because you already 
answered this earlier but, if so, I missed it. Will there be a printed addendum to the 
printed manuals when the update comes out? pdf files maybe? Or will it just be in the 
on-line help.

Thanks,

MRM

> Subject: Schedule for 2.0
> From: Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a little good, and a little not so good news about 2.0.
> 
> First, the not so good news.  Unfortunately, we are running a little later
> than expected.  We want to ensure that 2.0 is in the best possible shape and
> the feature set is well tested.  As such the release is going to be later
> than we originally published, though not by all that much.  We want to get
> it right.  Please bear with us a little longer.
> 
> The good news is that we're going to fix the subscription renewal cut off
> date at 26th October.  Anyone having purchased after that date, in 2001,
> will get a free upgrade when we ship 2.0.  Thus many people will qualify for
> a free upgrade.  However, please don't let that put you off renewing - 2.0
> has been a very big development task, and your support in renewing your
> subscription around now would be much appreciated if you can afford to do so
> :-)
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> Michael R. Maitzen
> Teleproduction Supervisor
> Liberal Arts Technical Services
> Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI)
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Re: Schedule for 2.0

[Klaus Major]

Hi Kevin,


Hi,

I have a little good, and a little not so good news about 2.0.

First, the not so good news.  Unfortunately, we are running a little 
later
than expected.  We want to ensure that 2.0 is in the best possible 
shape and
the feature set is well tested.  As such the release is going to be 
later
than we originally published, though not by all that much.  We want to 
get
it right.  Please bear with us a little longer.

Don't worry Kevin.

This will be a ridiculously small delay compared to your first
announcement of Revolution and its actual shipping date ;-)


...
Kind regards,

Kevin


Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: Can a mouseclick simultaneously send a message as it ends a"repeat until the mouseclick" loop?

[Mark Swindell]

on 11/22/02 7:47 AM, Dar Scott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 02:20 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
> 
>> First of all, let's redo the repeat loop and make it a
>> 'send' loop.
> 
> I recommend Jan's approach.
> 
> And would add this.
> 
> If doSlideThing is called from a button mouseUp, you need a way to keep
> from starting a second slide show running on top of and interfering with
> the first.  It can also keep the first from being able to be stopped.
> 
> The simplest way might be this:
> 
> on startSlideThing
> endSlideThing
> doSlideThing
> end startSlideThing
> 
> ...and don't call doSlideThing from anywhere else.

Thanks, Jan and Dar, for your suggestions.  I will try out the send
technique, as it sounds like it is a more efficient routine I need to become
familiar with. 

I misspoke about the "slide show." What is going on is "like" a slide show,
in that a series of words supplied from a variable are displayed in a field.
These lists are called from buttons that the user clicks to activate.  (Two
sets of them could not run at once, since there is only one global variable
supplying the words, and it is filled with a new set of words on each
mouseUp handler.) These words are then put, one at a time, into the same
field for display. 

So, the behavior I want is for a set of words to be displaying indefinitely
at user defined intervals, and then upon receiving a mouseclick on a
different button, for the different list to begin displaying immmediately,
without need of an intermediate click to stop the first handler from
executing.

Thanks,

Mark

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Re: Rev 2.0

[Klaus Major]

Hi all,


...
As an aside there are two articles in MacLife Germany:

11/2002 A full and excellent review of Revolution 1.1.1
12/2002 A tutorial of 1.1.1


we all should give a very big hand to our german revolutionist
Mr. Malte Brill, who wrote these two articles.

Thank you Malte ;-)


Regards

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Strange script error

[Barry Levine]

I have a handler in an Image object (id 1054) on the second card (id 
1051) in my stack:

on mouseUp
	set the currentFrame of me to 1
	go card "quiz"
	-- that's the first card in the stack; it's named "quiz"
	--
	-- this is a two-frame gif used as a rollover button
	-- we reset it to frame 1 before we leave
end mouseUp


When I click on the image I am brought to the first card but an error 
message occurs:

Error description:  Handler: error in statement
go card "quiz"
Line: 3 Character: 1
Value: mouseUp

Error description:  Object Name:

Line: 0 Character: 0
Value: image id 1054 of card id 1051 of stack "/Macintosh 
HD/Users/blevine/Demo Apps/Revolution 1.1.1/Rhyming Pairs.112002.rev"


Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,
Barry

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Re: Schedule for 2.0

[Troy Rollins]

On 11/22/02 11:13 AM, "Kevin Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> First, the not so good news.  Unfortunately, we are running a little later
> than expected.  We want to ensure that 2.0 is in the best possible shape and
> the feature set is well tested.  As such the release is going to be later
> than we originally published, though not by all that much.  We want to get
> it right.  Please bear with us a little longer.

An updated beta sometime soon? Doesn't the feature set need "real world"
testing? (Preferably one with an enabled builder.)

Other than that, don't worry about it. Of all people, it should be this
group that understands software development scheduling issues.


-- 
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
www.rpsystems.net

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Re: Schedule for 2.0

[Marian Petrides]

Kevin,

Thank you very much for doing the honorable thing! 

Count me in for a renewal--and YES, I had been holding off until I really
needed a new version because I thought I was going to have just missed the
deadline yet again.

Marian

On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:13:07 + Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a little good, and a little not so good
> news about 2.0.
> 
> First, the not so good news.  Unfortunately, we
> are running a little later
> than expected.  We want to ensure that 2.0 is
> in the best possible shape and
> the feature set is well tested.  As such the
> release is going to be later
> than we originally published, though not by all
> that much.  We want to get
> it right.  Please bear with us a little longer.
> 
> The good news is that we're going to fix the
> subscription renewal cut off
> date at 26th October.  Anyone having purchased
> after that date, in 2001,
> will get a free upgrade when we ship 2.0.  Thus
> many people will qualify for
> a free upgrade.  However, please don't let that
> put you off renewing - 2.0
> has been a very big development task, and your
> support in renewing your
> subscription around now would be much
> appreciated if you can afford to do so
> :-)
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller  
> Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for
> Software Development
> Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639
> 830 707.
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Re: General Lists vs Special Lists

[Rob Cozens]

calmate Rob, where is your sense of irony?


My apologies, Erik.

We had not conversed enough for me to know whether to take your 
initial comment as a warning or an order.  Sorry I was in the frame 
of mind to assume the worst instead of the best.

I'm glad your were entertained, and sorry I spoiled it by being 
confrontational.
--

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Re: General Lists vs Special Lists

[Rob Cozens]

Rob, if I thought you were planning to start posting regularly on politics,
artwork and the state of the nation, those words would alarm me.


That's fair, Heather, and just what I would expect to keep this from 
becoming a "General List".  If you need any guidance in keeping me in 
line, perhaps Jacque Gay can give you some pointers from her 
experience as HyperCard List mom.

Anyway, I'll keep my politics below my signature and attempt to touch 
on art only in some context that applies to the topic under 
discussion.

Peace,
--

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: Controls of Stack

[Rob Cozens]

Does everyone know that repeat with x=1 to the number of controls of stack y
only enumerates the controls on the current card? Bit of a bugger..eh?

How does one parse all the controls of a stack ensuring that those in a
background only get parsed once unless they are fields with the sharedText
set to false... etc


Hi Monte,

It was a pain in the derriere in HyperCard where there is only one 
background per card.  It can only be worse in Revolution.

I believe the recommended approach to translation is to use the 
Profile Manager to preconfigure each control for each language 
supported.  I personally do not use this approach because I want my 
app to be translatable into any (Western) language, not just those it 
ships with.

FYI, the Serendipity Reference includes a short primer on stack 
translatability in the appendix, and the Serendipity Library includes 
translation tools + examples...but no handler to inventory your 
controls  :{(
--

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Schedule for 2.0

[Kevin Miller]

Hi,

I have a little good, and a little not so good news about 2.0.

First, the not so good news.  Unfortunately, we are running a little later
than expected.  We want to ensure that 2.0 is in the best possible shape and
the feature set is well tested.  As such the release is going to be later
than we originally published, though not by all that much.  We want to get
it right.  Please bear with us a little longer.

The good news is that we're going to fix the subscription renewal cut off
date at 26th October.  Anyone having purchased after that date, in 2001,
will get a free upgrade when we ship 2.0.  Thus many people will qualify for
a free upgrade.  However, please don't let that put you off renewing - 2.0
has been a very big development task, and your support in renewing your
subscription around now would be much appreciated if you can afford to do so
:-)

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: Getting the name of objects

[Dar Scott]

On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 07:08 AM, Steve Messimer wrote:


set the lockText of fld "fldGrp" of the owner of me to false


I have used "of the owner of me" (Rev 1.1.1) in the past and it has 
worked.  Maybe something else is wrong.  Maybe the field got renamed 
somehow?

(Uh.  This same code broke under a quick look at an MC alpha.  I'm not 
sure if it was the "of the owner of me" part; I think it was calling 
handlers in groups.  I was looking at something else and was not able to 
look into it at the time.)

This sibling referencing oughta be handy in using multiple copies of the 
same group on one card.  (Translation:  I would like to do this 
eventually and if this happens to be what you are doing and it works, 
I'd be pleased if you report that.)

Dar Scott

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Re: Can a mouseclick simultaneously send a message as it ends a "repeat until the mouseclick" loop?

[Dar Scott]

On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 02:20 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:


First of all, let's redo the repeat loop and make it a
'send' loop.


I recommend Jan's approach.

And would add this.

If doSlideThing is called from a button mouseUp, you need a way to keep 
from starting a second slide show running on top of and interfering with 
the first.  It can also keep the first from being able to be stopped.

The simplest way might be this:

on startSlideThing
   endSlideThing
   doSlideThing
end startSlideThing

...and don't call doSlideThing from anywhere else.

You can also use a busy flag which can have advantages in preventing a 
stagger when stopping and immediately starting a slide show.


If cards can be changed, consider what you want to happen.  You may want 
to endSlideThing.  If not, the field should be card qualified or be me.  
(In the latter case, put the three slideThing handlers in the field and 
send to the field; your field becomes a slide show object.)


(And to add to the confusion... You might consider keeping the slide 
show on all the time and simply switch out the word list, using a blank 
list to keep it from flashing.)

Dar Scott

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"Move all images into individual files" build option

[giulio mastrosanti]

Hi all,
Can't realize how to use "Move all images into individual files" build 
option.
I imagined checking it on the build options form to have a smaller 
executable, and the imagines I have imported into my card to be on some 
subfolder of the executable folder.
But this don't seem to happen, what am I missing?
thanx for your answer,

  Giulio

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Special characters with menuitems

[doupsy]

Hello,

How is it possible to write menuitems that contains special characters 
without wanting special effect.
for example i want this menuitem:Monsieur (j)

With XFCN FullHPop (Hypercard) we use \  before special character to put 
out the effect of this special character.

Thanks.

Edouard

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Getting the name of objects

[Steve Messimer]

Hi,

I need some help with this. I am creating groups in one stack and pasting
them in another.  The group contains a field and a lock button that when
clicked will toggle the lockText property of the field. The problem is that
in the process of pasting the grp it is renamed so the lock btn has to be
able to determine the name of the grp in order to work. ( have tried the
script w/o the grp reference and it doesn't work. here are a few of the
scripts I have tried without success.

on mouseUp
  if the icon of me is 954 then
set the icon of me to 953
set the lockText of fld "fldGrp" of the owner of me to false
  else
set the icon of me to 954
set the lockText of fld "fldGrp" of the owner of me to true
  end if
end mouseUp

on mouseUp
  put the short name of the owner of me into myOwner
  if the icon of me is 954 then
set the icon of me to 953
set the lockText of fld "fldGrp" of grp myOwner to false
  else
set the icon of me to 954
set the lockText of fld "fldGrp" of grp myOwner to true
  end if
end mouseUp

on mouseUp
put quote & the short name of the owner of me & quote into myOwner
  if the icon of me is 954 then
set the icon of me to 953
set the lockText of fld "fldGrp" of grp myOwner to false
  else
set the icon of me to 954
set the lockText of fld "fldGrp" of grp myOwner to true
  end if
end mouseUp

Thanks for your help.

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer
Messimer Computing, Inc
208 1st Ave South
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com


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Re: Rev 2.0

[Rod McCall]

Dear Yves,

We will be discussing the final date shortly. However I would advise 
against any customers getting sleepless nights over Revolution. While the 
team are excited about the up and coming release we all try to get a good 
nights sleep after a hard days work, I would advise all our customers to do 
the same :-)

As an aside there are two articles in MacLife Germany:

11/2002 A full and excellent review of Revolution 1.1.1
12/2002 A tutorial of 1.1.1

We've had a lot of press coverage and overall a series of really good 
reviews in the last 12 months, so thanks to everyone here for using Rev and 
hence helping to make use news worthy.

Cheers,

rod


At 10:54 22/11/2002 +0100, yves COPPE wrote:
Hello,


Just to let the pressure going higher : next week should be THE week...!!!
I sleep very bad since 2 days...I'm waiting very impatiently...
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Re: General Lists vs Special Lists

[Heather Williams]

> I trust in Heather to keep this from becoming a General List.
> 
Why, thank you Rob. Actually, it's the good folks on the list who make it
what it is. The amount of cheerful, friendly, incredibly erudite advice that
gets dispensed round here never ceases to astound me. Personally, I enjoy
the occasional off topic thread - though the operational word there is
occasional - as I think do most folk. When people start getting irritated is
when to stop however. As, I think, we all know.

> I give fair warning to Erik,  miscdas, and anyone else who wants to
> make this into a Special List: I will fight you every step of the way.

Rob, if I thought you were planning to start posting regularly on politics,
artwork and the state of the nation, those words would alarm me... Since we
all have seen and benefited from your regular, excellent, on topic postings,
I think I should be safe to leave it entirely up to your own good judgement.

A little bit of sugar now and then helps the coding go better.

Can I just slip in a reminder here about html formatting? Please, plain text
only for your postings, turn off all that fancy formatting before you hit
send. It's very indigestible for those folks who don't get single messages.

Oh, and my contribution to the off topic list... How about novel writers?

Regards,

Heather

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How to open a driver on Mac OS 9?

[Chris Pastl]

I want to use Revolution´s "open driver" function
on Mac OS 9;
but I always get the following message when I try to
open a driver: "Can´t open that file".
Other programs can access the driver;
so the problem might be Revolution.

I´ve tested many different names and cases,
but I get the same result every time.

Does anybody know how to make this running?


Chris 
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Re: Valentina and OS-X (Darwin) revisited...

[Greg Saylor]

>UNIX 1970s editor for full screen terminals, superseding ed, the line 
>editor for teletypes and line-interactive terminals.

While this is certainly technically correct... I just wanted to point
out, after having digesting this (and several long islands), that this
simple (although, as I mentioned, accurate statement) does not pay homage
to that which is "vi"...  And even though this is s far off topic as
to make this response almost sinful, I feel compelled to set the record
entirely straight (err, whatever your preference is)...

So without further adieu:

It is pronounced "vee-eye". Not "veye" or "vee".

There are a few things you need to know.  Lots of things you should know.
 And a handful of things you can know, if you so desire.

If you type "vi /lfjksadkfjl/sdfajldsjfd/sdjfdlsajf" and you don't see
something which looks like the following, then your system does not have
"vi" installed:

~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
"/lfjksadkfjl/sdfajldsjfd/sdjfdlsajf" [New File]
NOTICE-1: vi doesn't care that these directories don't exist.  It assumes
you are smarter then to edit files in directories which don't exist.
NOTICE-2: Press the arrow keys - go right ahead.  Notice they do nothing.
 How strange.
NOTICE-3: Be careful!  Don't go pressing any keys on the keyboard besides
the arrow keys, otherwise even wierder things will happen!

Okay, now press "i".  Nothing happened -- or did it?  Well, you will now
see that you are in "INSERT MODE" - and in fact if someone has setup your
vi environment to interact with humans, you might actually see that at
the bottom of the screen.

.. Well, anyways, I just wanted to spend a few moments and "paint a
picture"... Hopefully this will encourage someone (even ONE person) to
learn this wonderful gift given to us from UNIX...

Sincerely,

/dev/null

P.S. Sorry to be off topic, but I am sure this made at least a couple of
people snicker...

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Rev 2.0

[yves COPPE]

Hello,


Just to let the pressure going higher : next week should be THE week...!!!
I sleep very bad since 2 days...I'm waiting very impatiently...
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Re: Valentina and OS-X (Darwin) revisited...

[Wolfgang M. Bereuter]

On Donnerstag, November 21, 2002, at 08:33  Uhr, David Vaughan wrote:


UNIX 1970s editor for full screen terminals, superseding ed, the line 
editor for teletypes and line-interactive terminals.
Uff:)


regards
David


Thanks

regards
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Re: Can a mouseclick simultaneously send a message as it ends a "repeat until the mouseclick" loop?

[Jan Schenkel]

--- Mark Swindell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> Thanks, Jan.  When I checked out the mouseControl
> function it appears to
> return the type and layer of the control.  While I
> could send a mouseUp to
> the control by testing for it being under the
> cursor, what I need it for the
> mouseUp to be sent on actually clicking the mouse
> from within the repeat
> loop, not simply crossing over, or hovering over,
> the control region.  I'm
> probably missing something, so please educate me.
> 
> Given that I have a pretty simple thing going on: On
> ShowWords... repeat
> until the mouseclick... put word the random of
> gMyWords into fld myField...
> other stuff... wait gtheTicks... end repeat... end
> mouseUp, how could I
> better script the performance to be able to execute
> a new mouseUp without
> having to waste one to exit the existing one without
> having to waste one?
> 
> 
> Thanks again,
> Mark
> 

Hi Mark,

While I'm not using RunRev for multimedia purposes,
let's see what I can come up with...

First of all, let's redo the repeat loop and make it a
'send' loop. This should probably go in the card
script or somewhere similar:

local sTheSlideSendID
on doSlideThing
  global gMyWords, gTheTicks
  put word the random of gMyWords into fld myField
  -- other stuff
  -- ...
  -- now instead of 'wait' we use 'send ... in time'
  if "doSlideThing is not in the pendingMessages \
  then
send "doSlideThing" to me in gTheTicks ticks
put the result into sTheSlideSendID
  end if
end doSlideThing

on endSlideThing
  cancel sTheSlideSendID
end endSlideThing

This last handler will allow us to easily stop the
slide show loop from within another handler. Now we
rescipt the buttons so that they halt the slide show
and do something else.

on mouseUp
  if "doSlideThing" is in the pendingMessages then
send "endSlideThing" to this card
  end if
  -- start something else
end mouseUp

This way the engine can return CPU-time to the OS in
between the showing of slides, unlike when you're
using the 'wait' command.
This tactic also avoids the 'repeat until mouseClick'
which would have similar effects ; plus, you don't run
the risk of the mouse having mopved to a different
spot in between your detecting the click and checking
where it is at that time.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

=
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