Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 11:36 PM, Terry Vogelaar wrote: I'm getting frustrated with fonts on multiple platforms. Why don't you try OpenType fonts? They install fine on both OSX and newer Windows versions. I recently read that OS X can use Windows TrueType fonts, too. However, since I'm seeing different behavior on Windows XP and OS X, something must be different. Either fonts of the same name are really different depending on the target platform or they are interpreted differently. Something seems hideous about this. Is there some good reason for this or was this planned from the start to torture me? However, something good might come of this. Maybe I can get fonts exactly like those on my Windows system, rename them slightly, and then put them on my OS X. Then I can see Courier New as those on OS X would see it and see Courier New as Windows users would see it. Maybe. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help - my RunRev IDE has slowed to a crawl
Graham wrote: Today I was editing a set of stacks which I've been working on for a very long time using both Mac and Windows environments. In this case I was using a Mac running OS9.2.2 to power RR 2.0r2, and very soon after opening my mainstack in the IDE, things slowed to a crawl to the extent that it takes tens of seconds for RunRev to react to clicks or even to give up control to another app. When this sort of thing happened to me using Mac OS9.1, it was because I didn't have enough memory on the system. It was totally unusable -- the virtual memory swapping would frequently get into long bouts with the disk drive without ever coming back. Maybe something has changed to increase the memory requirements of your stacks, or other big apps are loaded? Just a thought... Jim Lyons ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Best way to set up an idle timer
send logoutMessage to me in 300 seconds If the machine goes to sleep before the 300 seconds are over this doesn't wake it up, right? I once tried using this send trick for time critical stuff, but that doesn't work if the machine goes to sleep. What's more, I get the impression that after the machine wakes up, the sleep period is not counted in the specified interval. -- Victor Eijkhout [EMAIL PROTECTED], 329 Claxton, Comp Sci, UT, Knoxville TN 37996. tel: 865 974 9308 (W), 865 673 6998 (H), 865 974 8296 (F) http://www.cs.utk.edu/~eijkhout/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Copy transparent images into the clipboard
When I copy an image with a transparent background using the selection tool and I paste it , the resulting image is opaque. Why? It is not possible copy images into the clipboard with a transparent background (I guess using mask data)? Best regards, Paolo Mazza ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
MacOS X Stack Name Anomalies
Hi All, Simple task turned mystery: I had a stack named Contacts.rev, and I wanted the name to be Contacts.itw; so I opened the stack, changed the name to Contacts.itw and saved the stack as Contacts.itw. Not only did Rev change the stack icon when saving (an issue for another day); but Rev says the file, Contacts.itw, is actually Contacts.itw.rev. If I ask the Finder to search for itw.rev, it shows me Contacts.itw. What gives? Does OS 10.2 support invisible file name extensions? How can I fix this? TIA, -- Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm And I, which was two fooles do so grow three. Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. From The Triple Foole by John Donne 1573-1631 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
On 8/17/03 1:34 AM, Dar Scott wrote: Something seems hideous about this. Is there some good reason for this or was this planned from the start to torture me? It's tempting to say it was designed just to torment you, but actually this has been the bane of desktop publishing and software design since day one. Apple first came out with TrueType fonts, later followed by Microsoft's version of scalable font metrics. Microsoft did it diferently, of course, and sharing desktop publishing documents across platforms became a nightmare. To make matters worse, Windows also uses a *third* set of metrics for its printer fonts. That means that even if you get something to look right on screen, it will print entirely differently on a PC (Macs thankfully remain consistent, since the same metrics are used on screen and for printing.) Windows definitely does not have WYSIWYG printing support by any means, and I still haven't figured out how commercial Windows software is able to fake it. The problem has bitten me more than once, and is the reason that Rev provides the formatForPrinting property to help stack authors get some idea of how the printout will vary from the screen display. As others have suggested, the difficulty of assuring consistency of font display across platforms is rarely worth the trouble and isn't really reliable anyway. Most of us just get the best approximation we can, and let the text fall as it may. In general, if you lay out fields on Windows, there will be plenty of room for the same text on a Mac. If you lay out fields on a Mac, leave a lot of extra space for the Windows display. Sometimes you can adjust the field margins depending on the platform to give the extra pixels you need to create consistent word wrap, but don't count on it always being accurate. If a user doesn't have the fonts your stack expects, there's no telling how it will look and very little you can do about it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
I had the same problems! I got so tired of messing with it that I finally hired an outside source to create matching Mac and Windows fonts (serif, and san-serif). They look and behave EXACTLY the same on both platforms. It wasn't cheep, but my cross-platform font problems have gone away! -Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MacOS X Stack Name Anomalies
Does OS 10.2 support invisible file name extensions? How can I fix this? I see the answer to the first question is Yes I also see that transferring the file to an O 9 box, removing the now visible .rev, and transferring the file back to the OS 10 box does NOT remove the extension. -- Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm And I, which was two fooles do so grow three. Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. From The Triple Foole by John Donne 1573-1631 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Best way to set up an idle timer
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 09:02 AM, Victor Eijkhout wrote: I once tried using this send trick for time critical stuff, but that doesn't work if the machine goes to sleep. I wonder what is a good way to make sure there is a wake up. Or if there is one. Or how to prevent sleep. What's more, I get the impression that after the machine wakes up, the sleep period is not counted in the specified interval. Since send is based (down inside) on date/time, I suspect this is not the case, but I have not run the tests. I have been wonder what are the timing needs near sleep. Dar Scott Dar Scott Consulting http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 10:20 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Something seems hideous about this. Is there some good reason for this or was this planned from the start to torture me? It's tempting to say it was designed just to torment you, but actually this has been the bane of desktop publishing and software design since day one. Yes. The above is code for I made the silly assumption that fonts with the same name might be similar. More similar than they are. I think 25% size variations are a lot. In general, if you lay out fields on Windows, there will be plenty of room for the same text on a Mac. If you lay out fields on a Mac, leave a lot of extra space for the Windows display. Sometimes you can adjust the field margins depending on the platform to give the extra pixels you need to create consistent word wrap, but don't count on it always being accurate. It is strange that some Windows fonts are taller, yet have a smaller width and line spacing. That means I need to adjust one direction in some cases and another in others. I had gotten into the habit of making my labels fit to text, something I realize is not what I want; I need to leave a little room for variations. If a user doesn't have the fonts your stack expects, there's no telling how it will look and very little you can do about it. I'm thinking of adding a simple alternate-font script in openBackground and others. In one case, I'm going to go to a fixed text height, but that will hurt my smaller-font displays. I expect I will bump the size by two on Windows in some applications and some controls. I need to learn about profiles. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 11:03 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: I had the same problems! I got so tired of messing with it that I finally hired an outside source to create matching Mac and Windows fonts (serif, and san-serif). They look and behave EXACTLY the same on both platforms. It wasn't cheep, but my cross-platform font problems have gone away! This confirmation is good to hear. Are these exactly the same design for each platform or do these have to be tweaked? I don't mean file format, I mean variations in metrics to account for engine or other idiosyncrasies. Dar Scott Dar Scott Consulting http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
Dan, Does this mean that you own the fonts? Are they for sale to include in other programs? Assuming they are, can the same font be attached to the application/stack and work on both Mac and Windows without the user having to install the font? Bill Vlahos On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: I had the same problems! I got so tired of messing with it that I finally hired an outside source to create matching Mac and Windows fonts (serif, and san-serif). They look and behave EXACTLY the same on both platforms. It wasn't cheep, but my cross-platform font problems have gone away! -Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
iTunes song names
I am trying to get the names of all the songs that are in iTunes, using applescript seems a bit slow so I am trying a Rev solution. If you feel like letting me know if the following works for you, make a btn and place the following script into it, also make a fld named muse. Feel free to email off-list so we don't clutter the list. This is for OS X ONLY! **Please let me know what version iTunes you have!** TIA sims on mouseUp set the cursor to watch put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder put tUser into tXMLLocation put specialFolderPath(Desktop) into tUser set the itemDel to / delete last item of tUser put file:tUser into tXMLLocation puttXMLLocation/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music Library.xml into tPlace put url tPlace into theContainer put lineOffSet(keyName/keystringLibrary/string,theContainer) into tEnd put line 1 to tEnd-1 of theContainer into theContainer repeat for each line thisLine in theContainer if keyName/key is in thisLine then put thisLine cr after tData end repeat replace keyName/keystring with in tData replace tab with in tData replace /string with in tData put The number of songs you have is: the num of lines in tData put tData into fld muse set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder end mouseUp -- --- http://EZPZapps.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Software - Internet Development - Consulting ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MacOS X Stack Name Anomalies
In Revolution, in the Preferences menu, Files Memory tab, you can ask to add .rev extension to file on MacOs. Hope it helps. Thierry Arbellot. On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Rob Cozens wrote: Does OS 10.2 support invisible file name extensions? How can I fix this? I see the answer to the first question is Yes I also see that transferring the file to an O 9 box, removing the now visible .rev, and transferring the file back to the OS 10 box does NOT remove the extension. -- Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm And I, which was two fooles do so grow three. Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. From The Triple Foole by John Donne 1573-1631 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iTunes song names
Le dimanche, 17 aoû 2003, à 21:18 Europe/Brussels, sims a écrit : I am trying to get the names of all the songs that are in iTunes, using applescript seems a bit slow so I am trying a Rev solution. If you feel like letting me know if the following works for you, make a btn and place the following script into it, also make a fld named muse. Feel free to email off-list so we don't clutter the list. This is for OS X ONLY! Mac OS X 10.2.6 FR rev 2.0.2 iTunes 4.0.1 FR It works. Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help - my RunRev IDE has slowed to a crawl
Thanks to those who replied. I followed Jim Lyons' suggestion of increasing the memory available to RR under MacOS 9, but it didn't seem to make a difference. I then noticed that I had saved my stacks while in Script Debug Mode, so that the IDE had the mode switched on when RR was started. I loaded RR and immediately switched this off. After that, everything went back to normal. I have not changed my memory allocation back to its previous rather small value, but it looks like the problem was Script Debug Mode, plus possibly a memory problem also. I don't recall this coming up on the list before, so I'm still slightly confused by what happened, but anyway I'm working again. Maybe this experience will help someone else - hope so. Graham -- --- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK France ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
I had the same problems! I got so tired of "messing" with it that I finally hired an outside source to create matching Mac and Windows fonts (serif, and san-serif). They look and behave EXACTLY the same on both platforms. It wasn't cheep, but my cross-platform font problems have gone away! Ouch! Are you going to make these available to licence from you? By extension: One option is to "start using" and "stop using" a font you supply by using Tuviah Snyder's most excellent external EXT (or TSX if you go back that far). It may not solve the "exact match" display problem, but at least you can guarantee the font will be available. /H
Re: Best way to set up an idle timer
I once tried using this send trick for time critical stuff, but that doesn't work if the machine goes to sleep. I wonder what is a good way to make sure there is a wake up. Or if there is one. There must be, though system dependent. I've seen an mp3 alarm clock which could wake up my Mac to wake me up. And it was coded in Real Basic. Oo them's fightin' words :-) -- Victor Eijkhout [EMAIL PROTECTED], 329 Claxton, Comp Sci, UT, Knoxville TN 37996. tel: 865 974 9308 (W), 865 673 6998 (H), 865 974 8296 (F) http://www.cs.utk.edu/~eijkhout/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I am trying to make a popup button but I can't seem to get the scripts for the individual menu items in place. I assumed that once the button is made and the items are listed, I would be able to access the items individually with the message box: select menuItem X of button Y and then open the script editor, but I don't get the script editors for the menu items, just a single one for the whole button. How can I select an individual menu item and open its scrip editor? Lars mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Determining if a player is showing an image or movie.
Well, You could look at the fileName of the player and check the extension (assuming it has one - I try to always put one in). The other way is to check the duration of the player. It seems that images always have a duration of 40 (or so it looks like from my limited vantage point). Thanks Ken I have an image in a player here with a duration of 120 so I guess that's out. It would be good if there was a read only property of a player called fileType or something. I'm sure the info could be obtained via the QuickTime API. Cheers Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible?
I've got a mainstack that the user is never supposed to see, and which should not be at the front. It's just an anchor for all my substacks. What do you mean by anchor? Why do you need to open the stack at all if it's always invisible to the user? Regards Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution and fonts
I am new to Revolution. I have tried REALbasic but it has been difficult to learn. After seeing the thread regarding using fonts for Mac and Windows, can you just code system font in your code or font so each platform uses the system font for that platform? In REALbasic you can specify system font in your project. Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible?
I think what Graham was saying is that he has an invisible mainstack that contains a bunch of substacks that he wants to open and display. But he doesn't want to show the mainstack itself; only its substacks. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Monte Goulding Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible? I've got a mainstack that the user is never supposed to see, and which should not be at the front. It's just an anchor for all my substacks. What do you mean by anchor? Why do you need to open the stack at all if it's always invisible to the user? Regards Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and fonts
Charles Szasz wrote: I am new to Revolution. I have tried REALbasic but it has been difficult to learn. After seeing the thread regarding using fonts for Mac and Windows, can you just code system font in your code or font so each platform uses the system font for that platform? In REALbasic you can specify system font in your project. You can do this in Revolution as well: just don't set a font for anu objects other than your mainstack and all other objects will inherit it. While the lively discussion here is valuable, these issues only affect a relatively small subset of apps as most simply follow the HIG for each platform. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Fouled up my menubar
I have a stack I'm developing in Windows. It has a menubar (menubar 1). when I run it in the Rev IDE, everything works fine. However, when I build a distribution, the menubar is gone. It's not the main stack so I'm able to open it back up in Rev; the group menubar 1 is not there! What did I manage to do to cause the menubar group to vanish when I included the stack in my distribution build? I'm confounded. TIA, Barry ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
XML-RPC Support?
I thought I had read or heard somewhere that Revolution supports XML-RPC. But searching docs turns up no clues. Anyone got a pointer? ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolutionary Author of forthcoming 3-book set, Revolution: Programming at the Speed of Thought http://www.revolutionpros.com for More Info ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: Fouled up my menubar - found the problem but it's weird
Turned out the menubar group was there but it had no font nor size set for it. I was able to open the distribution stack (it was not the main stack) under the Rev IDE and found that, until I set a textFont and textSize for it, the words did not appear! I was under the impression that I did not have to specifically assign fonts/sizes to the various elements that had those properties (like fields, buttons, etc.). The docs say that setting the textFont property of the stack sets that particular font for everything else in that stack that is not already specifically configured otherwise. Am I misunderstanding this? I've also seen (in Windows, anyway) that setting the stack's textFont to Arial and textSize to 12, but leaving the menubar group's textFont/textSize properties blank, results in the menubar only being a textSize of 10 (might be 9) in the distribution stack. I've also seen this kind of inconsistent behavior in other elements (fields, buttons) in both Mac and Windows; fonts and sizes - even under the same platform - being set by forces unknown. So I'm thinking that there's got to be something I'm doing wrong because Rev just couldn't be so capricious and inconsistent in font handling. Someone care to whip a little knowledge about this topic in my direction? Let's assume that my Windows fonts should all be Arial 12 as a starting point. Thanks, Barry ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XML-RPC Support?
--- Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I had read or heard somewhere that Revolution supports XML-RPC. But searching docs turns up no clues. Anyone got a pointer? Hi Dan, Revolution supports SOAP, which one might say supersedes XML-RPC. Have a look at \Sample stacks\SOAP_Toolbox.rev Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
