Re: Player Progress?

[Scott Rossi]

On 11/14/03 10:59 PM, "Alejandro Tejada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe you could write to the Quicktime enginner who wrote some articles in
> MacTech

Is this article reprinted somewhere?

Regards,

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Re: Printing a field with tab stops

[Alex Rice]

On Nov 14, 2003, at 5:22 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
How would I go about making printing work better?
You might try revPrintField instead of revPrintText. I think 
revPrintField uses revPrintText in it's implementation, but 
revPrintField is smarter about various formating options.

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Re: Tooltip for groups

[Alex Rice]

On Nov 13, 2003, at 9:50 AM, jbv wrote:

Can a tooltip be set for a group ?
The MC doc says tooltips apply to all controls,
and "set tooltip of grp 1 to "xyz"" doesn't return
any error and doesn't create a custom prop, but
no tooltip is displayed when mouse moves over
the group (tooltipdelay is not set to zero)...
Tooltips don't work for disabled controls either. So it kind of makes 
sense that groups would not have them - I guess.

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Re: What's Really Important/feedback please

[Ken Norris]

on 11/14/03 8:03 PM, Ken Norris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Judy,
> 
> This thing almost got lost in a barrage of repeats in the digest version.
> Don't be surprised if mine is the only Re for awhile.
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OK, never mind. It came through separately in another digest list.

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Re: What's Really Important/feedback please

[Ken Norris]

Hi Judy,

This thing almost got lost in a barrage of repeats in the digest version.
Don't be surprised if mine is the only Re for awhile.

> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:30:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: Judy Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: What's Really Important/feedback please

> I'm finishing up a program in instructional design and technology and
> would like for my final project to be a new Rev interface ala Hypercard's
> that will make the program more accessible to new/novice programmers
> (think: elementary school teachers and/or children).
> 
> My questions to you, especially any of you who are not "real" (that is,
> formally educated in the discipline) programmers:
> 
> 1.  What do you think should be presented in terms of programming
> concepts?
---
A) Establish design goals via outline and diagrams, i.e., What do you want
to do? How do you uexpect to get there? What do you want it to look like?
Write it down, draw pictures. IMHO, this is the most critical startup
procedure for building anything.

B) Set about examining the main structure and elements of the IDE you will
use (in this case Rev), i.e., what each one is and what it's used for.
Menus, tool palette, inspector, etc.

C) HyperCard is OK, but, IMHO, isn't necessarily the most beneficial example
for Rev. The background metaphor could mess up the more important mental
discipline of dimensional structures of groups, which a pretty big advantage
in Rev.

D) Go through the basic objects available and how they work, i.e., buttons,
fields, graphics. O' course you know they'll inhale it like a slurpee. Be
careful they don't cough. The ability to make their own buttons to do stuff,
like they're used to on the internet, will launch them into orbit
immediately.

E) I'm personally a freak about teaching the hierarchy as soon as they're
ready, too. Much of the stuff we seem do these days has nothing in the
objects but custom properties. I use the stack script as a general
repository for all the handlers, so I have fewer places to go to locate and
deal with editing script changes. It's really quite normal.

F) Now that I'm past the formal junk, just let them watch you build a little
stack from scratch which allows you to list URLs and listen to streaming hip
hop on the internet (assuming you're connected), or watch several live
streaming QT channels in a couple of windows. You ought to be able to do
that in about 20 minutes, expalining some of the principles and objects, and
what you're doing as you go. Or whatever you think will show them how easy,
but do fun stuff they'll like. USE Rev's features, but keep it simple and
quick, i.e., 3 chord rock 'n' roll.

Ken N.

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Re: waaaay OT Scots

[Richard Gaskin]

Kurt Kaufman wrote:

>>> there is a book about how the Irish saved
>>> civilization. does anyone know the companion
>>> volume about how the Scots defined civilization?
> 
>> Sorry, I only have volume III of how the English invented civilization.
> 
> And I, volume IV, where the Americans destroy it.
> 
> -Kurt (ducking the flames)

Reporter:  "Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of Western civilization?"

  Gandhi:  "I think it would be a very good idea."

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Re: waaaay OT Scots

[Marian Petrides]

Ah, I was wondering when someone would get to saying something like 
this ;-)

I am reminded of the following passage from The Gift Outright by Robert 
Frost:

"Such as we were, we gave ourselves outright
To the land still vaguely realizing westward
Yet unstoried, artless, unenhanced--
Such as she was, such as she would become."
Marian

On Nov 14, 2003, at 9:56 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote:

And I, volume IV, where the Americans destroy it.
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 71 WHOA NELLIE!

[Ken Norris]

Holy Cow!!

This digest issue had 113 posts! Most are repeats, but WATCHOUT...some
aren't in the first set (like Judy Perry's "What's Really Important/feedback
please" and Alex's "end field editing?"

Ken N.

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RE: Help with AppleEvents

[Ken Ray]

> >- send to program works on the same Mac
> >- send to program doesn't work between two Macs

Paul, even if this is true, there's more than one way to skin a cat. You
could use a different communication mechanism (like opening a socket or
datagram and sending messages via TCP or UDP) instead of Apple Events,
so don't get discouraged. 

:-)

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Re: What's Really Important/feedback please

[Judy Perry]

As real as I can make it.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

>
> >on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:30:10 -0800 (PST)
> >Judy Perry wrote:
> >
> > >I'm finishing up a program in instructional design and technology and
> > >would like for my final project to be a new Rev interface ala Hypercard's
> > >that will make the program more accessible to new/novice programmers
> > >(think: elementary school teachers and/or children).
>
> Is this project a really functional program, downloable later? or only a
> Demonstration of an ideal program?
>
> >My questions to you, especially any of you who are not "real" (that is,
> >formally educated in the discipline) programmers:
> >
> >1.  What do you think should be presented in terms of programming
> >concepts?
> >
> >--Certainly, it is tempting to say, "Oh, everything is important!" but
> >this can result in a steep learning curve that may put many off learning
> >the product.  So, for example, which control structures?  Which commands?
> >etc.  AND WHY?
>
> Actually, in my experience, the users prefers to get the most results with
> the less effort. If you were able to put a program that uses a wizard
> interface,
> like those that uses the CD recording programs (that go asking for every
> choice to "select" the recording options) then your user will thanks you
> greatly.
>
> Only for those that want to tinker, you could show the scripts language and
> the finer control that learning programming offers.
>
>
> >2.  What sorts of 'ready-made' tools (such as the ready-made buttons and
> >fields in HC; the contacts list/date book, etc.) do you think would be
> >beneficial in making the program intrinsically useful even at the end-user
> >level as well as at the level of transitioning from end-user to stack
> >creator?
>
> I'll suggest ready made activities or interactions in the form of
> individual stacks.
>
> For example...
>
> Teachers will like templates for lessons and evaluations like:
> multiple choices quiz, true/false questionaries, drag and drop interactions,
> click on the spot, etc,etc.
>
> Students would like to create presentations from their investigations or
> homeworks.
> They would like to use Fields effects, coordinated sound and visual effects
> transitions
> and the possibility to show any movie, sound or image that they find in the
> internet...
>
>
> >3.  Any other ideas/suggestions?  (recalling from your own, early days of
> >the cave how you learned an x-Talk?)
>
> create a free community, where teachers could share their experiencies with
> your program. This is what I'm trying to do. :)
>
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Judy
>
> You are welcome!
>
> al
>
> still sad for sending the full digest to the list :(
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waaaay OT Scots

[Kurt Kaufman]

>> there is a book about how the Irish saved
>> civilization. does anyone know the companion
>> volume about how the Scots defined civilization?
>Sorry, I only have volume III of how the English invented civilization.

And I, volume IV, where the Americans destroy it.

-Kurt (ducking the flames)



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Re: Help with AppleEvents

[Rob Cozens]

I tried this also, but still comes back with "no such program". Has 
anyone ever used AppleEvents FROM Revolution using the "send to 
program"?  I am faithfully following the Transcript dictionary.
Hi Paul,

Hopefully Jan Schenkel will chime in soon.  Last March he reported to 
the revolution_ipc group,

- send to program works on the same Mac
- send to program doesn't work between two Macs
I believe Jan later reported he had an AppleScript workaround for the 
problem; but I can't find it in my archives.

FWIW, the rev_ipc group will be addressing Apple event communication 
in a future release of our libIPC.
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Re: Player Progress?

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on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:04:00 -0800
Scott Rossi wrote:
"Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Anyone know if it is possible to track/display progress of setting the
>> filename of a player to a Web-based URL?  I know a QT player can display
>> progress inside the controller bar but I'm using a hidden player and am
>> hoping to display the download progress using my own UI widget.
> Seems to me the best way to handle it is to download the QTMov locally and
> track *that* with a progress bar. Then the Mov will launch quickly and play
> seamlessly. Course, streaming is therefore out of the question.
Sadly, that's what I want to track -- the progress of a stream.

:-(
Maybe you could write to the Quicktime enginner who wrote some articles in 
MacTech,
about using QT in RunRev... just an Idea :)

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Re: What's Really Important/feedback please

[Alejandro Tejada]

on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:30:10 -0800 (PST)
Judy Perry wrote:
>I'm finishing up a program in instructional design and technology and
>would like for my final project to be a new Rev interface ala Hypercard's
>that will make the program more accessible to new/novice programmers
>(think: elementary school teachers and/or children).
Is this project a really functional program, downloable later? or only a
Demonstration of an ideal program?
My questions to you, especially any of you who are not "real" (that is,
formally educated in the discipline) programmers:
1.  What do you think should be presented in terms of programming
concepts?
--Certainly, it is tempting to say, "Oh, everything is important!" but
this can result in a steep learning curve that may put many off learning
the product.  So, for example, which control structures?  Which commands?
etc.  AND WHY?
Actually, in my experience, the users prefers to get the most results with
the less effort. If you were able to put a program that uses a wizard 
interface,
like those that uses the CD recording programs (that go asking for every
choice to "select" the recording options) then your user will thanks you 
greatly.

Only for those that want to tinker, you could show the scripts language and
the finer control that learning programming offers.

2.  What sorts of 'ready-made' tools (such as the ready-made buttons and
fields in HC; the contacts list/date book, etc.) do you think would be
beneficial in making the program intrinsically useful even at the end-user
level as well as at the level of transitioning from end-user to stack
creator?
I'll suggest ready made activities or interactions in the form of 
individual stacks.

For example...

Teachers will like templates for lessons and evaluations like:
multiple choices quiz, true/false questionaries, drag and drop interactions,
click on the spot, etc,etc.
Students would like to create presentations from their investigations or 
homeworks.
They would like to use Fields effects, coordinated sound and visual effects 
transitions
and the possibility to show any movie, sound or image that they find in the 
internet...


3.  Any other ideas/suggestions?  (recalling from your own, early days of
the cave how you learned an x-Talk?)
create a free community, where teachers could share their experiencies with
your program. This is what I'm trying to do. :)
Thanks!

Judy
You are welcome!

al

still sad for sending the full digest to the list :( 

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Accidents do happen...

[Alejandro Tejada]

Accidents do happen...

I was going to reply an e-mail from the Digest and...
the whole message was send back to the list.
I hope that you excuse me. I suspect that I typed an
unknow shorcut . Now, I.m typing disconnected from
the internet, so it'll not happen again.  :((
Al

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Printing a field with tab stops

[Bill Vlahos]

There are 2 things that go wrong when I print a field using:

  case "Page Setup..."
answer printer
break
  case "Print..."
revShowPrintDialog false,true
revPrintText (the htmlText of field "Directory")
break
1. The tab stops are too short so the text almost always spills over.
2. No decorations, such as a grid, are printer.
3. Even though I say print page 1 to 1 it prints all of the pages.
How would I go about making printing work better?

Bill Vlahos

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RE: Help with AppleEvents

[Paul Stary]

At 6:04 PM -0600 11/14/03, Ken Ray wrote:
Paul,

Is this on OS 9, I assume? Or OS X?
Ken, Rev is running on an OS 9.1 machine, communicating (trying, 
anyway) to a machine running OS 8.1.
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RE: Help with AppleEvents

[Ken Ray]

Paul,

Is this on OS 9, I assume? Or OS X?

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Paul Stary
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> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Help with AppleEvents
> 
> 
> >Paul Stary wrote:
> >
> >>  What is up with this?
> >>
> >>  I have spent the day trying to figure out why the following 
> >> statement  works in SuperCard but NOT Revolution. I want to 
> >> communicate with  SuperCard on a remote Mac named "Remote Mac". 
> >> SuperCard is running on  that Mac. I execute the following 
> statement 
> >> from Revolution on my  local Mac:
> >>
> >>  send beep to program "Remote Mac:SuperCard" without reply
> >...
> >>  This is so basic, what am I missing?
> >
> >Platform-independent paths.  Try:
> >
> >"Remote/SuperCard"
> >
> >--
> >  Richard Gaskin
> 
> I tried this also, but still comes back with "no such program". Has 
> anyone ever used AppleEvents FROM Revolution using the "send to 
> program"?  I am faithfully following the Transcript dictionary.
> 
> My ability to proceed using Revolution is done if this won't work.
> -- 
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Re: Help with AppleEvents

[Paul Stary]

Paul Stary wrote:

 What is up with this?

 I have spent the day trying to figure out why the following statement
 works in SuperCard but NOT Revolution. I want to communicate with
 SuperCard on a remote Mac named "Remote Mac". SuperCard is running on
 that Mac. I execute the following statement from Revolution on my
 local Mac:
 send beep to program "Remote Mac:SuperCard" without reply
...
 This is so basic, what am I missing?
Platform-independent paths.  Try:

   "Remote/SuperCard"

--
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I tried this also, but still comes back with "no such program". Has 
anyone ever used AppleEvents FROM Revolution using the "send to 
program"?  I am faithfully following the Transcript dictionary.

My ability to proceed using Revolution is done if this won't work.
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Re: Slightly OT: Switching mySQL from win to Mac OSX

[Alex Rice]

On Nov 14, 2003, at 4:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone any suggestions?
I would not move the raw data files between different servers. It might 
work but a lot could go wrong: different mysql table types, different 
architecture, different mysql servers versions, etc.

Mysql has command-line tools for creating, exporting and importing 
databases. That's what I would use. Use "mysqldump" to get a snapshot 
of the database, use "mysqladmin" to create the database on a new 
server, then do something like "mysql -u username dbname < dump.sql " 
to load the sql dump file.

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Slightly OT: Switching mySQL from win to Mac OSX

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi gang,

I am developing a frontend in RR to automatically create catalogs in
InDesign, using data in mySQL running on my PC.
But now the client wants to use a Mac running OSX to run the database as
well.

On Windows it¹s very easy to copy the tables from one server to another one,
but how does one do that on a Mac?
The location of the databases seem to be in Library/mySQL/Var/ but this
directory is locked...

Anyone any suggestions?

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Re: Player Progress?

[Scott Rossi]

On 11/13/03 4:53 PM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Anyone know if it is possible to track/display progress of setting the
>> filename of a player to a Web-based URL?  I know a QT player can display
>> progress inside the controller bar but I'm using a hidden player and am
>> hoping to display the download progress using my own UI widget.

> Seems to me the best way to handle it is to download the QTMov locally and
> track *that* with a progress bar. Then the Mov will launch quickly and play
> seamlessly. Course, streaming is therefore out of the question.

Sadly, that's what I want to track -- the progress of a stream.

:-(

Regards,

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Re: end field editing?

[Alex Rice]

On Nov 14, 2003, at 3:42 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Does "select empty" do what you need?
Yes! Thanks Richard

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RE: end field editing?

[Ken Ray]

How about "select empty" ?

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> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: end field editing?
> 
> 
> Is it possible to make all fields on a card end editing? I have been 
> confused at times because closeField can be delayed on Mac because 
> clicking on a button
> does not change the keyboard focus. So I have started making an 
> off-screen field "defocuser" and when I want to force closeFields to 
> fire, I do:
> 
> focus fld "defocuser"
> 
> Is there a better way?
> 
> Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Mindlube Software | 
> 
> 
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Re: Tooltip for groups

[Klaus Major]

Hi JB,

...
yes, this crossed my mind, but the nice thing about a tooltip is that
its size (actually its width) is automatically resized according to
it's content... and I'm not sure I can reproduce that with a field...
You can! ;-)

...
  set the width of fld "fake tooltip" to the formattedwidth of fld 
"fake tooltip"
 ## et voila: fits! :-)
...

I guess I'll use the tooltip of a transparent button...
Or this way ;-)

Nevertheless, I still don't see why groups shouldn't have
tooltips...
:-D

Hope that helps...

JB
Regards

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Re: end field editing?

[Richard Gaskin]

Alex Rice wrote:

> Is it possible to make all fields on a card end editing? I have been
> confused at times because closeField can be delayed on Mac because
> clicking on a button
> does not change the keyboard focus. So I have started making an
> off-screen field "defocuser" and when I want to force closeFields to
> fire, I do:
> 
> focus fld "defocuser"
> 
> Is there a better way?

Does "select empty" do what you need?

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Re: Help with AppleEvents

[Richard Gaskin]

Paul Stary wrote:

> What is up with this?
> 
> I have spent the day trying to figure out why the following statement
> works in SuperCard but NOT Revolution. I want to communicate with
> SuperCard on a remote Mac named "Remote Mac". SuperCard is running on
> that Mac. I execute the following statement from Revolution on my
> local Mac:
> 
> send beep to program "Remote Mac:SuperCard" without reply
...
> This is so basic, what am I missing?

Platform-independent paths.  Try:

   "Remote/SuperCard"

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Re: OT: iSight

[Klaus Major]

Hi Carsten,

Klaus Major rose this question, not really regarding Revolution.
But allow me to put it into this context: Can iSight and other cameras 
of this type
be used to digitize video directly into a file by Revolution?
Yes, at least iSight, have no other camera.

I just plugged it into my mac and could use the "Sample 
Stacks/Video_Input.rev"
right away to record to my hd :-)

Check it out and have a nice weekend...

Regards

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Re: Tooltip for groups

[Robert Brenstein]

On 11/13/03 1:29 PM, jbv wrote:

Well, I checked the custom prop. option : actually no custom prop.
is created...
That's what I get for not testing before I post. Sorry. In that 
case, Klaus is right (as usual) and there should be an error message.

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I wonder if lack of group tooltip has anything to do with ambiguity 
that can arise when one points to an object within a group: which 
tooltip to show, group's or object's? Since there is no point showing 
a tooltip when user points to an empty space within a group, may be 
the proper way is to have a tooltip assigned to each object within a 
group. But if the group tooltip is not accepted, Rev should indeed 
respond with an error.

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REVTOOLS HACK - BIGGER- BETTER-BOUNCIER!

[Mathewson]

Dear RunRev Afficionados,
  Stimulated by Dr John Tenny's helpful suggestions I have
been on a roll recently. and the results are looking
good!

On the 'GUI HACKS' page of my website: you know it annoys
you - but, hey, the world's a wild place!

Go, get the new RevTools and send me a postcard.

Love, Richmond
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Help with AppleEvents

[Paul Stary]

What is up with this?

I have spent the day trying to figure out why the following statement 
works in SuperCard but NOT Revolution. I want to communicate with 
SuperCard on a remote Mac named "Remote Mac". SuperCard is running on 
that Mac. I execute the following statement from Revolution on my 
local Mac:

send beep to program "Remote Mac:SuperCard" without reply

The result in Revolution is "no such program". If I run SuperCard on 
the SAME machine and execute this very same statement , the remote 
Mac beeps. If I issue the following statement from Revolution with 
SuperCard running on the local machine, I get a beep:

send beep to program "SuperCard" without reply

If I optionally add the name of the local machine to the Rev 
statement above, the result is once again, "no such program". If I 
send the beep command to Rev from SuperCard on the local machine, 
using the optional name of the local machine does not cause a problem 
and Rev beeps. Seems like Rev 2.1 has an error in parsing the 
computer name in the program address. Is this possible?

I have no problem sending the beep command TO Revolution on the local 
Mac FROM SuperCard on the Remote Mac.

When I issue the statement:

do "choose application" as AppleScript

... I get the expected dialog showing Remote Mac as one of the listed 
machines and SuperCard as one of the listed programs running on it. I 
have tried using the asterisk for the zone, "*:Remote Mac:SuperCard", 
but still results in "no such program".

This is so basic, what am I missing?

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Mail Screw-up on RevZilla (sorry)

[Ken Ray]

It appears like my emails have appeared on the list in reverse order! 

There were three emails that were sent, the first announcing RevZilla's
availability, the second was the "don't download" email, and the third
was the "(No really..." email.

Bottom line is the RevZilla 1.1 is ready to go, and you should ignore
all but the "(No really..." email.

Sorry for the mail screw-up...

(Darn ISPs...)

:-)

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[Q] upgrade to libSmtp

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sorry to put this out on the mailing list..

i've slowly been working on a major(?) upgrade to the smtp library 
(adding unicode support) and i'm trying to decide whether to continue 
using variables as parameters or field pointers as parameters..

 variable parameter example
   put the htmlText of field "message" into tHtmlText
   libSmtp.customFunction(tHtmlText)

 field pointer parameter
   libSmtp.anotherCustomFunction(the long id of field "message")


obviously both have their pros and cons, but i feel that using field 
pointers gives me the best results, but am not overly sure from a 
programming point of view (nor from the view of the end-programmers)..

please feel free to contact me off-list in regards to this ^_^

-Sean

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Semi-OT: Interesting article on Java

[Geoff Canyon]

Talking about J2EE and the things it needs to do to succeed. He says it 
needs two things: to be easier to use -- he calls it "incredibly 
complex" -- and to add new features at a faster pace -- he says it 
currently takes a year to two years to get anything through the 
standards process.

http://news.com.com/2010-7343-5106960.html

regards,

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[ANN] RevZilla 1.1 - (No really, this is the good one... :-)

[Ken Ray]

Alright, everyone... some quick-fingered bug-fixing and RevZilla 1.1 is
ready to go again. For those of you who missed the original post (with
the update info), here it is again:

---
A new version of RevZilla, the front-end for Runtime Revolution's
BugZilla bug tracking system, was released today. RevZilla 1.1 has been
enhanced to add the following features: 

  - Voting on bugs and features, managing your votes, and viewing who
voted on a particular bug or feature (works with Bugzilla's inherent
voting system) - this is the coolest feature (IMHO)

  - Much better cookie and browser support, including the ability to
select a "raw" cookie file and extract cookies from it

  - You can download attachments from bug reports

  - Your last search is automatically saved

  - Now works as a plugin to the Altuit tool palette

  - Online help added to all screens

  - Firewall support

And a bunch more stuff added (see the Version History that comes with
the download).  You can get it either directly through RevNet, or you
can go to the RevZilla page at:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla.htm

Enjoy! And as always; feedback is welcome!

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RE: Player Progress?

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Scott,

Seems to me the best way to handle it is to download the QTMov locally and
track *that* with a progress bar. Then the Mov will launch quickly and play
seamlessly. Course, streaming is therefore out of the question.

-Chipp

> Anyone know if it is possible to track/display progress of setting the
> filename of a player to a Web-based URL?  I know a QT player can display
> progress inside the controller bar but I'm using a hidden player and am
> hoping to display the download progress using my own UI widget.
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: [ANN] RevZilla 1.1 Available!

[Bill Vlahos]

Thanks Ray. This is a lifesaver. I can't for the life of me figure out 
how to use Bugzilla. This makes it easy. Three cheers for Ray!

Bill Vlahos

On Nov 13, 2003, at 3:48 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

Hey, everyone!

A new version of RevZilla, the front-end for Runtime Revolution's
BugZilla bug tracking system, was released today. RevZilla 1.1 has been
enhanced to add the following features:
  - Voting on bugs and features, managing your votes, and viewing who
voted on a particular bug or feature (works with Bugzilla's inherent
voting system) - this is the coolest feature (IMHO)
  - Much better cookie and browser support, including the ability to
select a "raw" cookie file and extract cookies from it
  - You can download attachments from bug reports

  - Your last search is automatically saved

  - Now works as a plugin to the Altuit tool palette

  - Online help added to all screens

  - Firewall support

And a bunch more stuff added (see the Version History that comes with
the download).  You can get it either directly through RevNet, or you
can go to the RevZilla page at:
  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla.htm

Enjoy! And as always; feedback is welcome!

Ken Ray
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DON'T DOWNLOAD REVZILLA 1.1!

[Ken Ray]

Sorry, everyone, but apparently while RunRev was down something changed
in the BugZilla system and now if you use the voting features in RZ 1.1
to vote for a bug or feature, it will *remove all other votes on all
other bugs or features* that you have done. So I'm pulling it and will
repost a fix in the next day or so.

Sorry for the this, everyone...

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Re: Database Query Builder: workaround please

[David Wilkinson]

On Thursday 13 November 2003 3:47 pm, you wrote:

> On the Database Query Builder, Record Set Tab, SQL query field:
>
> 1) enter some syntactically bad SQL
> 2) click the refresh query button (or close the Database Query
> Builder window)
> 3) now Rev gets stuck in an endless loop of modal error dialogs.
>

OK  The handlers appear to be identical, though I have not stepped 
through as yet.  However it is clear that on Linux and 2.0.1, the 
behaviour is not so extreme as you have reported, no matter what 
sort of garbage I enter in the query field.  By the way, I did not 
say three times , but three times for each db object, though I did 
not figure out how that observation could be true.  

Does the query builder work for you, if you enter syntactically 
correct sql?  If so,  why not  debug the query outside the query 
builder for the timebeing?Moreover, queries that attach to field 
objects, generally, are not very sophisticated : maybe an inner join 
between client_id  from invoice and client tables for example, in 
order to show the client name, or select detail rows corresponding 
to an invoice.  The Query Builder  is clearly designed to return a 
record view of each row.  In the end, I am not sure that the by 
field/column interrogation of the db is going to be fast enough 
though showall fields seem pretty quick.
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[ANN] RevZilla 1.1 Available!

[Ken Ray]

Hey, everyone! 

A new version of RevZilla, the front-end for Runtime Revolution's
BugZilla bug tracking system, was released today. RevZilla 1.1 has been
enhanced to add the following features: 

  - Voting on bugs and features, managing your votes, and viewing who
voted on a particular bug or feature (works with Bugzilla's inherent
voting system) - this is the coolest feature (IMHO)

  - Much better cookie and browser support, including the ability to
select a "raw" cookie file and extract cookies from it

  - You can download attachments from bug reports

  - Your last search is automatically saved

  - Now works as a plugin to the Altuit tool palette

  - Online help added to all screens

  - Firewall support

And a bunch more stuff added (see the Version History that comes with
the download).  You can get it either directly through RevNet, or you
can go to the RevZilla page at:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla.htm

Enjoy! And as always; feedback is welcome!

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Re: Windows Misery

[Graham Samuel]

Thanks for the replies on this (Alex Rice, Ken Ray and Scott Rossi). Scott 
asked:

Did you try forcing the animated GIFs to play by setting their repeatCounts
to -1?  Maybe something like:
[button script]
 on mouseMove
  set the repeatCount of img mySrcImg to -1
 end mouseMove
Yes, indeed. I was even able to prove that the repeatcounts were set by 
executing

 put the repeatCount of image "myGIF" of cd "myDisplay" of stack "myMainStack"

it always showed up as (-1), even tho seen through the button it had 
stopped moving.


> I have worked hard to try to isolate this problem, including generating a
> whole external logging scheme to keep track of the program execution, but I
> don't seem to be getting anywhere - it looks as if the app crashes near the
> beginning while opening some substacks (usually invisible).
Are you sure the app has crashed?  Are you saying the app is completely
non-responsive or stops functioning at a certain point?  It is unlikely that
anything like this is caused by animated GIFs (a corrupted image can result
in a jumbled mess of rainbow looking static but this usually does not
inhibit the operation of scripts).
Well, I have a logging system (I mark specific points which the program 
executes in setting itself up etc by calling a routine that writes short 
lines of text to a log file). In the working versions of the app, this log 
has a complete trace of the whole startup process; in the 'crashed' ones, 
however long I wait, only the first few messages are logged - and the only 
thing to appear on the screen is an Anchor stack that is normally hidden, 
plus a splash screen stack with a corrupt display (the card contains a 
snapshot of part of the PC display). This is one scenario - in my tinkering 
to try to improve matters (for example when I moved the GIFs back to the 
display) then I get a real crash ('this program has performed an illegal 
instruction' type of message from Windows). The log file in this case is 
also incomplete.

If you can generate the problem in a stack that contains only your buttons,
images and drag scripts, then you should be able to track down the problem
there.  Otherwise, something else is going on in your stacks/scripts.
Yes, Ken Ray also suggested this and it's certainly the way I would expect 
to present a bug to the RunRev team if I could. Unfortunately I have been 
trying to do exactly that for some time, but it ain't simple! So far I have 
not got a 'boiled down' version to show the error. This probably means that 
I will have to start with all the code that I know gets executed before the 
crash and keep simplifying it until the problem goes away - a fairly long 
job. I am quite prepared to agree that the problem is in my scripting, 
**except** that if it works in one version of Windows, according to RunRev, 
it should work in them all.

Ken Ray wrote:

The other thing that might help (since you say you added a logging
system) is to see what was the very last thing to happen before the
crash. If it crashed when opening a substack, try to identify which
substack. Remember that images load into memory when a stack is opened,
so if you open a substack that has a lot of images on them, they will
all load into memory.
For earlier versions of Windows, I've encountered that most crashes are
related to memory. How much memory does the 95/98/ME machines have that
you've been testing on?
I'm looking into this (I'm not physically near these test machines at the 
moment) - I think the 95 and 98 systems I've encountered probably have very 
little memory (they're such old machines) but I believe that the ME machine 
has a massive amount - that's the one that belongs to my beta tester, and 
she's doing a lot of software development work on it (in VB mostly) which 
calls for lots of RAM, I believe. However, I will check all this tomorrow.

Thanks again

Graham

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RE: backreferences in PCRE?

[Ken Ray]

> In transcript I thought it should be :
> 
> replaceText(pStr, "([^\\])""e, "$1\""e)
> 
> Which works *except* for the $1 is used literally instead of as a 
> backreference.

That's because only the second parameter of replaceText() is a match
expression; the third param is a simple string.

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Re: backreferences in PCRE?

[Dar Scott]

On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 02:15 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

So tinker with this:

replaceText(pStr, "(?I mean this:

replaceText(pStr, "(?

I forgot what you were trying to do.

Dar

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Re: backreferences in PCRE?

[Dave Cragg]

At 2:15 pm -0700 13/11/03, Dar Scott wrote:

Yikes.  I mean the negative assertion (?

So tinker with this:

replaceText(pStr, "(?Thanks for the pointer, Dar. It looks like this will do it.

  put "(?
  replace quote with "\" & quote in tStr
  replace "\\" & quote with "\" & quote in tStr
At 12:40 pm -0700 13/11/03, Alex Rice wrote:
I can't remember- are any of Rev's REGEX functions capable of doing 
backreferences?
Alex, it seems you can't backreference in the replacement expression 
as in Perl, but you can in the "find" expression, using "\1", "\2", 
etc.

In Perl, I don't think the $1, $2, etc. in the replacement expression 
are strictly regular expression  elements. They are really special 
Perl variables. For example, you can use $1 at anytime after a match 
and it will still hold the matched value.. However, it would be nice 
to have this ability in Rev, but I don't think $1, etc, would work as 
it would clash with Rev's environment variables.

Cheers
Dave
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Re: Paint Tools issue

[Klaus Major]

Hi Thomas J McGrath III,

Here is a screen shot of the Paint Tools Palette.
Ehmm... yes ;-)

I upgraded to OSX 10.3 and REV 2.1.2 and now it looks like this.
I just took a look and yes, the paint tools palette looks like garbage 
:-(

Advanced Media Group
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Re: Tooltip for groups

[T. R. Ponn]

Thomas J McGrath III wrote:

I have completely screwed up many groups in my four weeks of using 
REV. There is no group Tooltip built-in but you could just hide a 
tooltip like window and trap a mouseEnter with show/hide tooltip field.


Or...create a transparent button with no handlers...with the tooltip you 
want and place it in front of the group.  Or, did I miss something?

Best Regards,

Tim Ponn

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Re: backreferences in PCRE?

[Alex Rice]

On Nov 13, 2003, at 2:15 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

 I mean the negative assertion (?

So tinker with this:

replaceText(pStr, "(?OK this works: replaceText(pStr, "(?

Thanks Dar! I haven't used assertions much in regex. I'll keep an eye 
on the bug you mentioned. Although these are just small text chunks so 
I don't think it'll effect me.

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Re: Tooltip for groups

[jbv]

> I have completely screwed up many groups in my four weeks of using REV.
> There is no group Tooltip built-in but you could just hide a tooltip
> like window and trap a mouseEnter with show/hide tooltip field.
>

yes, this crossed my mind, but the nice thing about a tooltip is that
its size (actually its width) is automatically resized according to
it's content... and I'm not sure I can reproduce that with a field...

I guess I'll use the tooltip of a transparent button...

Nevertheless, I still don't see why groups shouldn't have
tooltips...

JB

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Open/Write to/Read from Process

[mendelss]

Hey, I'm new to Revolution and need some quick guidance on what may be a very 
straightforward matter.

I've created a simple front-end interface designed to call and write some input 
to a free-standing program on my machine.  The external program is designed to 
be executed from and receive input from the command line.  I'm currently 
working with Revolution 2.0 on OS X, but the product will eventually need to 
run on some Unix machines as well.

>From the brief Revolution documentation on the subject, it looks like I would 
use "open process", "write to process", and "read from process" to interact 
with the program from Revolution.  Alternately, perhaps I would use "shell()" 
to replicate a Unix-based call from the command line, though past usergroup 
postings seem to use that command exclusively in a Windows context.  

However, the "open process" and "write to process" commands don't seem to do 
anything when I call them (if I open a shell and hit "ps", there's no process 
running), and the "read from process" command registers an error and won't 
compile.  Using "put shell(commandLineThatStartsProgram) into myShellOutput" 
crashes Revolution when it tries to run.  Am I way off base with these 
attempts, or just doing something slightly wrong?  If I could simply get the 
following to work, it would be a useful start:

 put "/thePath/ProgramName" into nameAndPath
 open process nameAndPath
 put “WhateverMyInputIs” into myInput
 write myInput to process nameAndPath

Thanks,

Nathan


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Re: OT: iSight

[Carsten Levin]

Klaus Major rose this question, not really regarding Revolution. But 
allow me to put it into this context: Can iSight and other cameras of 
this type be used to digitize video directly into a file by Revolution?

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