Re: Workaround for stack-cropping bug?

[Richard Gaskin]

J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 3/29/04 9:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Is there a workaround for bug #1174?
 
I wish. I had a stack once that I could shrink down to nothing by 
repeatedly setting editmenus on and off. I think it's related to the 
same bug (which has been in the engine since before Rev existed.) I also 
had another stack that had the opposite problem: too much extra space at 
the bottom. Tuv nailed this one down to a preopenstack script that set 
the decorations. If the decorations are changed in openstack, the stack 
sizes correctly; in preopenstack, it doesn't. Are you by chance changing 
decorations on preopenstack?
Nope.

Oddly enough, unlike the other cases where I've seen this in this one I 
was able to set the stack size in preOpenCard and it takes.

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Re: Message box

[Alain Bois]

Thanks, I have tried  others functions and effectly it's a problem with 
parenthesis.

Le 30 mars 04, à 00:42, Martin Baxter a écrit :

Alan Bois wrote:
When I used Hypercard, if I have this handler
function somme a,b
return a + b
end somme
and I wrote in msg box put somme (3,5) I obtain 8.
With Rev I obtain 3. the first argument only, why? Bug or option with
msg box ?
Thanks for answers.
I suspect it's a message box bug.

put somme(3,5)

Works as expected, the difference being there is no space character 
between
the function name and the parenthesis

Martin

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Microsoft® Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2004: is it wierd?

[Erik Hansen]

Microsoft® Windows® XP Media Center Edition
2004: are all of the Windows OS's 
(Home, Pro, Media) about the same with respect
to RunRev apps? the 17" Toshiba looks like just
the thing for running RR graphics applications.

thanks, Erik

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Re: HyperCard finally put to rest..

[Chipp Walters]

OOPS!

http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/dbox/default.aspx?key=2004-03-29T07:14:51Z

(the correct link...the ole' copy/paste didn't work..)

-Chipp

Richard Gaskin wrote:

Chipp Walters wrote:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/templates/SmallBusinessWebsite/default.htm

too bad...perhaps there's an opportunity for Rev?


Apple replaced HyperCard with your Web hosting business?

LOL

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Re: HyperCard finally put to rest..

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/29/04 10:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Couldn't find anything on MacCentral, Macintouch, or MacMinute about 
this, but oddly enough searching for "HyperCard" at the Apple store site 
now returns zero results.
Apple removed all references to HyperCard from its site about a month ago.

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Re: "Engine" versus "Player"

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/29/04 6:43 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
> I see Scott Rossi tending toward "Player..."
What does everyone think is best?
I use "Player" too.

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Re: pop3 attachment decoding

[Sarah Reichelt]

Hi Chris,
The encoding just reads the file as binary data, then uses 
base64encode. If you did the reverse, remembering to save as a binfile, 
I reckon it should work no matter what the file type.

If you wanted to use Stuffit Expander instead, I have a technique I use 
sometimes for Apple Mail when attachments don't display properly, but 
just come through in their encoded form. I select the encoded section 
(from one boundary marker to the next), copy and paste it into a text 
editor, then save the file as "whatever.hqx". If you then double-click, 
Stuffit Expander will decode it correctly.

Cheers,
Sarah
On 30 Mar 2004, at 7:33 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am playing with the 'POP library' stack (thank you and kudos to 
Sarah) and
it's time to decode the attachments. I can write my own decodes for 
the easy
ones, like TXT and HTML, but I would like to better understand the 
format and
do something that could be reused by others. Has anyone already done 
this ?
And/or know which RFC defines the standard ?   Thank you ... Chris
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Re: Workaround for stack-cropping bug?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/29/04 9:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Is there a workaround for bug #1174?
 
I wish. I had a stack once that I could shrink down to nothing by 
repeatedly setting editmenus on and off. I think it's related to the 
same bug (which has been in the engine since before Rev existed.) I also 
had another stack that had the opposite problem: too much extra space at 
the bottom. Tuv nailed this one down to a preopenstack script that set 
the decorations. If the decorations are changed in openstack, the stack 
sizes correctly; in preopenstack, it doesn't. Are you by chance changing 
decorations on preopenstack?

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Re: HyperCard finally put to rest..

[Richard Gaskin]

Chipp Walters wrote:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/templates/SmallBusinessWebsite/default.htm

too bad...perhaps there's an opportunity for Rev?
Apple replaced HyperCard with your Web hosting business?

Couldn't find anything on MacCentral, Macintouch, or MacMinute about 
this, but oddly enough searching for "HyperCard" at the Apple store site 
now returns zero results.

If this is how Apple retires a product like HyperCard they missed a 
golden opportunity.  Rather than slinking away into the night they could 
have turned it into an opportunity to endorse a logical successor.

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Re: Can't Connect to MySQL at Runtime

[paolo]

I Brian,
I got this message too on Linux (> revdberr,invalid database type)

I  solved the problem simply writing "mysql" (lower case) instead of "MYSQL"
as database type.

Lets have a try.

Ciao Paolo


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> Hi Folks,
>
> I have a stack that works just fine within the IDE but when I build a
> distribution (and include the database libraries) I get the following
> error at startup when connecting to my mysql database:
>
> revdberr,invalid database type
>
> Can anyone provide info on what might be causing this?
>
> Thanks, Brian
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HyperCard finally put to rest..

[Chipp Walters]

http://www.altuit.com/webs/templates/SmallBusinessWebsite/default.htm

too bad...perhaps there's an opportunity for Rev?

-Chipp

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Re: 'add' Page NOT Screen vs Page vs Card!!

[Judy Perry]

I don't think he's talking about you.

I *did* use the term, but in reference to someone else (John Rule maybe? I
don't recall, but it wasn't IN REFERENCE to John Rule IIRC) noting the
scorn heaped upon him/her for using a development tool which used "cards"
and/or "stacks".  I said something to the effect that a person who has
this sort of behavior (looking down on someone whose IDE of choice uses
the keyword "card") is an elitist snob.

But I agree with your concerns, FWIW.

Judy

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, j wrote:

> To be honest, I did use the word first when referring to a line in one
> of Dar Scott's posts to the list.  I said a statement "smacked of
> elitism."  I also mentioned my hope that I was misreading the intent of
> the sentence.  I am still hoping that was the case, and it seems
> possible.

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Re: Image Proportions (Never Mind)

[Rick Harrison]

Hi there,

Well, I figured it out and it's all done.

Thanks to Revolution for making it so easy!

Rick Harrison

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Workaround for stack-cropping bug?

[Richard Gaskin]

Is there a workaround for bug #1174?

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Re: 'add' Page NOT Screen vs Page vs Card!!

[j]

What name calling?  I didn't say he was elitist, merely that people who
frown on someone else's tool because it uses words like "card" etc. are
elitist.
To be honest, I did use the word first when referring to a line in one 
of Dar Scott's posts to the list.  I said a statement "smacked of 
elitism."  I also mentioned my hope that I was misreading the intent of 
the sentence.  I am still hoping that was the case, and it seems 
possible.

My concerns are essentially these:

(a) Adding levels of complexity to the Transcript language and to all 
resulting discussions regarding the language should be avoided unless 
absolutely necessary.  The more synonyms one has for the same object, 
the more complex the learning curve for new users.  One of our goals as 
a community should be turning on as many people to xTalk languages as 
possible.  People need empowerment, lest the M$s of the world rule us 
all (metaphorically and perhaps literally).

(b) There seems to be misunderstanding of the card-stack metaphor and 
the reasoning behind the use of the card-stack metaphor.  Cards in a 
stack can be reordered (just try Transcript's "sort" command).  The 
only way you are reordering the pages in a book is to tear them all out 
first, and last I checked, that's not a book anymore—it's a stack!  :)

(c) In the past, xCards have been slighted by many "real" programmers.  
If one avoids using jargon like "card" to assist his users, more power 
to him and I applaud him for his effort to meet the needs of his 
audience.  If one avoids such terms to distance herself from the xCard 
legacy and avoid some associated stigma (real or imagined), then for 
shame; be proud of who you are and of the way you code.

(d) Depending on implementation, synonyms can slow the interpreter.  As 
I understand it, this would not be a concern with the Rev/MC engine.

J.

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Re: If exists question

[Scott Rossi]

On 3/29/04 5:49 PM, "Ken Norris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> wait 30 milliseconds -- put in to allow Rev to catch up with functions
> --
> Just FYI...a 'wait' command basically just stalls the script and hogs the
> processor. It won't help Rev catch up to anything.
> 
> What you want to do is: send  to me (a handler) in 30
> milliseconds.
> 
> That keeps the script running and just puts a timer on when the next
> execution takes place, which _does_ allow the interpreter to catch up.

Actually, you can use wait:

  wait 30 milliseconds with messages

Regards,

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Tactile Media, Development & Design
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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Dar Scott]

On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 07:01 PM, Ken Norris wrote:

Thanks for your thoughts, but I vote for continuation of standard 
shorthand
forms.
Your vote will have little influence on my style unless you get the 
engine folks to get rid of full words.

Dar

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Ken Norris]

Howdy,

> I'm even uncomfortable with many of the
> alternative shorthand forms such as cd when I see them in other
> people's scripts.
-
I wouldn't waste any time worrying about that. Shorthand forms cd, bg, fld,
and many other standard ones have been in use for over 16 years. If someone
chose to off them, virtually all my scripts would quit running.

Thanks for your thoughts, but I vote for continuation of standard shorthand
forms.

Ken N.

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Re: Graphics Library 8bit...16bit, Sharpen, Laplacian, Cranny?

[Kevin]

I have used ImageMagick and Gandalf are possibilities but I was interested in possible 
Transcript/MC library.  I am not interested in writing a XCMD for several platforms.  
If that is necessary I will wait until RR issues the LoadLibrary/GetProcAddress 
functionality.

Kevin 



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Re: If exists question

[Ken Norris]

Hi folks,

> wait 30 milliseconds -- put in to allow Rev to catch up with functions
--
Just FYI...a 'wait' command basically just stalls the script and hogs the
processor. It won't help Rev catch up to anything.

What you want to do is: send  to me (a handler) in 30
milliseconds.

That keeps the script running and just puts a timer on when the next
execution takes place, which _does_ allow the interpreter to catch up.

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Re: Message box

[Dar Scott]

On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 06:11 PM, j wrote:

of course, you can do the same thing with revolution's built-in sum() 
function, making this all pretty academic.
BTW, here is a tip for those who have avoided using sum() and similar 
functions.

I read the documentation as this function having only one parameter.  
That is, the commas in the example were operator commas and not 
parameter separator commas.  I saw the interesting parsing of 
parameters of format() as an example of that kind of thing, so I was 
not surprised.  My concern was that numberFormat might limit digits in 
the arithmetic.  I didn't use it.

However, I now know that I read the doc wrong.  The function sum() and 
max() can have multiple parameters and are not forced to have a single 
parameter of a comma delimited string.

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Re: Message box

[j]

function somme a,b
return a + b
end somme
works here, also.  check for typing errors.  as someone else indicated, 
function name must abut the opening parenthesis:  somme(3,5).  you 
don't even need to use "put" before the function, if executed from the 
message box.

i have always loved this one, myself:

function sumThese
 put 0 into theTotal
  repeat with i = 1 to the paramCount()
add param(i) to theTotal
  end repeat
  return theTotal
end sumThese
no need to submit only two numbers to add this way.  :)  of course, you 
can do the same thing with revolution's built-in sum() function, making 
this all pretty academic.

j.

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"Engine" versus "Player"

[Sannyasin Sivakatirswami]

I'm wondering if the  visionaries of the rev community who have a 
broader experience  than most of us about Rev's marketing/brand name 
positioning have any opinions about the nomenclature for splash screen 
standalones players that are designed to drive any number of different 
stacks.

My current implementation allows a stack to be dropped on a splash 
screen and added to a favorites list and saved in a prefs file on the 
hard drive for that particular platform. i.e. it's not tied to any 
particular app.

We plan to distribution these here and there, and  we will find such 
phrases as

"Himalayan Academy Revolution Player"
or
"Himalayan Academy Stack Engine"
ending up on web pages, interfaces, in emails, on CD's, in Read Me's 
and "Help" and "About"  and perhaps one day even in print media and in 
class rooms...

Given that there will be a large percentage of IT "nerds" exposed to 
the new technology in the process... (our audience will includes LOTS 
of Indian software people and their children --most of whom have been 
"eaten alive" by MS in terms of their tool set)  it seems worthy of 
some attention, and perhaps a general consensus so we might all do the 
same thing? I see Scott Rossi tending toward "Player..."

What does everyone think is best?

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Re: The video library and the iSight camera

[Doug Lerner]

Yes. I do it all the time.

doug

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> Is it possible to use the Video Library (revInitializeVideoGrabber ...) with
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Re: Message box

[Martin Baxter]

>Alan Bois wrote:
>When I used Hypercard, if I have this handler
>function somme a,b
>return a + b
>end somme
>and I wrote in msg box put somme (3,5) I obtain 8.
>With Rev I obtain 3. the first argument only, why? Bug or option with
>msg box ?
>Thanks for answers.
>

I suspect it's a message box bug.

put somme(3,5)

Works as expected, the difference being there is no space character between
the function name and the parenthesis

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Re: Message box

[Dar Scott]

On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 01:31 PM, Alain Bois wrote:

When I used Hypercard, if I have this handler
function somme a,b
return a + b
end somme
and I wrote in msg box put somme (3,5) I obtain 8.
With Rev I obtain 3. the first argument only, why? Bug or option with 
msg box ?
I get 8.  (I put the function in a stack script and started using it.)

In Revolution 3+empty is 3.  Maybe there is something strange about the 
second parameter.  :-) Could you have misspelled "b"? :-)

(I get mixed up about where commas can go in parameter declarations, 
but this seems to work fine as you typed it.)

Dar Scott

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Re: 'add' Page NOT Screen vs Page vs Card!!

[Roger . E . Eller]

on ratUp
   put fld "Recipe" of card 1 of stack 1 into cardMethod
   put fld "Chapter" of page 1 of book 1 into pageMethod
   put fld "LeftQuadrant" of screen 1 of monitor 1 into screenMethod
   put fld "Switches" of panel 1 of display 1 into panelMethod
   put fld "Slices" of pickle 1 of jar 1 into pickleMethod
   put fld "Molacules" of drop 1 of bucket 1 into dropMethod
   put fld "Poo" of monkey 1 of cage 1 into monkeyMethod
   put fld "BloodBank" of flea 1 of puppy 1 into fleaMethod
   ask "Which method is better?"
   if it = empty then
  put "It does not matter."
   else
  ask "Why does it matter? They are all really the same."
   end if
end ratUp

Whatever works for the programmer...
(Synonyms would be good!)

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pop3 attachment decoding

[HyperChris]

I am playing with the 'POP library' stack (thank you and kudos to Sarah) and 
it's time to decode the attachments. I can write my own decodes for the easy 
ones, like TXT and HTML, but I would like to better understand the format and 
do something that could be reused by others. Has anyone already done this ? 
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Image Proportions

[Rick Harrison]

Hi there,

I have a bunch of randomly sized large images that I want to
fit proportionally into a much smaller image frame.  Kind of
like making thumbnails.
I figure this has to be a common problem which probably
has a common solution.  Rather than re-invent the wheel
I thought I'd see if anyone on this list knows the formula
for doing this.
Thanks in advance!

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Re: 'add' Page NOT Screen vs Page vs Card!!

[Judy Perry]

What name calling?  I didn't say he was elitist, merely that people who
frown on someone else's tool because it uses words like "card" etc. are
elitist.

My arguments are simply:

(1) you can't add every possible keyword analog in every other language to
Rev's language and expect it to be usable/learnable.

(2) the word "card", far from being some silly idol, continues to be a
useful and well-understood metaphor for a tool that can produce
information presented in both a linear and a non-linear function, unlike a
book, which is largely used in a linear fashion except in special distinct
circumstances.

Judy

 On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Dar Scott wrote:

> The problem is that even your simple suggestion is taken as being
> against non-programmers.  I find the notion that anybody who is not
> bowing down to the word 'card' is against non-programmers to be
> offensive.
>
> For my part, and in particular, I have never seen John take a
> programmer elitist position and I don't intend to take such a position
> either.  John didn't ask for me to speak up, and probably would have
> preferred I did not, but the name-calling upset me and I found no basis
> for it.  This was no simple discussion of ideas in which an opinion of
> some idea was that it was elitist.  It was a completely unfounded
> attack on another.  I addressed that as kindly as I could and with
> humor, but I don't think that got to the card priesthood.
>
> The card is a useful metaphor.  Once it become an idol or a stick to
> hurt others, it gets in my way.
>

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Re: 'add' Page NOT Screen vs Page vs Card!!

[Judy Perry]

Yes, I "get" it... but if this were done for everything, every code
word with an analog elsewhere in every other language (different analogs,
it should be mentioned -- card? screen? panel? window? do we really need
4+ referencing words that now, because they're reserved, cannot be used
in any other way?), imagine what happens: the documentation becomes
unusable and the product unlearnable.

If it ain't broke...

Judy

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, John Rule wrote:

> I don't know why this subject has taken a 'card' bashing tone...I simply
> asked if we could please implement the use of 'page' IN ADDITION TO
> 'card'...get it?

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Judy Perry]

And with dramatically slower processors, I rather imagine...

Judy

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, j wrote:

> For some, it is possibly a hold over from the days when xTalk scripts
> could only be 32k per object, necessitating as much "squeezing" of the
> code as possible.

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Judy Perry]

Which you, presumably, as a developer of *customized* solutions can well
afford to do.  But you can't make a general tool like Rev all things to
all people or a programming language version of th Tower of Babel.  It
cannot both incorporate all domains AND be teachable/learnable.

You can see this problem in the Developer community -- people are
initially taught verbose Lingo, but then we they need to do something more
advanced, syntax is presented in c.dot.syntax-like.Lingo.  It hinders
learnability.

Are you really arguing that many more consumer-level people are more
familiar with card qua board/filter than with card qua card?

Judy

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> This makes my point.
>
> To those on the inside, the card metaphor is obvious.  To those on the
> outside it is just computer jargon until they get to "oh, I get it".
> Then they are on the inside and can talk about how obvious it is.
>
> Besides the potential jargon, there are lots of meanings to the noun
> card, and the outsider can only guess which ones apply if not some
> sense not known.
>
> Is a card some board that is plugged in?  "Everybody knows computers
> have boards."
> Is a card something the filters out my mistakes?
> Is a card something that tells everybody I'm here.
> Is Hypercard very funny?
>
> There is no way, I'm going to force the card metaphor on my customers.
> I learn the terms of their domain.

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Re: Advice needed from C gurus for an external project

[jbv]

> On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 11:43 AM, jbv wrote:
>
> > The PCI board already exists. The idea is to evaluate
> > the possibility to use REv to build a UI to communicate /
> > configure it...
>
> It depends on what the manufacturer provides.  There might be ways to
> exploit that.
>

Yes, but the problem is that the manufacturer provides
code for windows only...

JB

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Re: 'add' Page NOT Screen vs Page vs Card!!

[Dar Scott]

On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 01:14 PM, John Rule wrote:

I don't know why this subject has taken a 'card' bashing tone...I 
simply
asked if we could please implement the use of 'page' IN ADDITION TO
'card'...get it?

:-(
I think the assumption is that such a suggestion is disrespectful to 
"card".  Even if "page" was used in discussion and was not even added 
to the language, that seems to be offensive.

I don't think anybody has taken on a 'card' bashing position.

The problem is that even your simple suggestion is taken as being 
against non-programmers.  I find the notion that anybody who is not 
bowing down to the word 'card' is against non-programmers to be 
offensive.

For my part, and in particular, I have never seen John take a 
programmer elitist position and I don't intend to take such a position 
either.  John didn't ask for me to speak up, and probably would have 
preferred I did not, but the name-calling upset me and I found no basis 
for it.  This was no simple discussion of ideas in which an opinion of 
some idea was that it was elitist.  It was a completely unfounded 
attack on another.  I addressed that as kindly as I could and with 
humor, but I don't think that got to the card priesthood.

The card is a useful metaphor.  Once it become an idol or a stick to 
hurt others, it gets in my way.

Dar Scott

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Message box

[Alain Bois]

When I used Hypercard, if I have this handler
function somme a,b
return a + b
end somme
and I wrote in msg box put somme (3,5) I obtain 8.
With Rev I obtain 3. the first argument only, why? Bug or option with 
msg box ?
Thanks for answers.

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Re: Radiobuttonbehavior

[Wouter]

To complete this thread:
On 29 Mar 2004, at 15:47, Robert Brenstein wrote:

On 29 Mar 2004, at 02:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Message: 13
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:37:51 -0700
From: Dar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Radiobuttonbehavior
To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
On Sunday, March 28, 2004, at 04:41 PM, Wouter wrote:

Is it normal behavior the radiobuttons lose their hilite if one
goes to the next cd while the checkbox button retains its hilite?
I just put one of each on a card and looked at them with the 
property
inspector.  On has sharedHilite checked and the other does not.  I
guess the initial settings are not the same for these two.

Just change the one that does not do what you want.

Dar Scott

Tnx Dar, but this is not the problem. I checked these settings.
The main group, which contains the grouped radiobuttons, has its 
backgroundbehavior set to true and is displayed on several cards. 
While the checkbox button retains its set hilite, the group of 
radiobuttons loses theirs when going from one card to the other. In 
other words, they retain their settings for the specific card once 
set. This seems no backgroundbehavior to me.  Verified this in Rev 
2.2 RC 2 as well as in 2.1.x and 1.1.1  Is this bugworthy?

WA
As Dar wrote, this has not so much to do with background behavior per 
se (this is a parent group setting) but with shared hilite property 
of the radio subgroup or more precisely its individual buttons. I 
just checked in MetaCard that if shared hilite of radio buttons is 
on, they retain their setting when going from card to card (when they 
are a part of a background). In other words, it works for me.

Robert



The final solution:

A fresh install of rev did solve the problem. (That's already the 
second time I had to resort to this to solve a problem, I hope this is 
not becoming habitual)

Thanks very much for your reply.

Wouter
Tnx to all,

WA



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'add' Page NOT Screen vs Page vs Card!!

[John Rule]

I don't know why this subject has taken a 'card' bashing tone...I simply
asked if we could please implement the use of 'page' IN ADDITION TO
'card'...get it?

:-(

JR

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RE: printing from Runrev - another person with same request

[Chris Sheffield]

Pat,

FWIW, here is what I've come up with to handle my printing.  So far it's
working well.

if the platform is "Win32" then
  answer printer
  if the result is "Cancel" then
exit DoPrint
  else
open printing
  end if
else
  open print with dialog
  if the result is "Cancel" then
exit DoPrint
  end if
end if


This is in a handler called DoPrint, in case you hadn't figured that out.
:-)  It's a bit ugly, but because of the differences between platforms, I'm
not sure there is really a better way to do it.  After all this, I'm just
using various print, revPrintField, and revPrintText commands.  Because the
revPrintField and revPrintText commands use some different routine for
printing, each call displays it's own little progress bar when sending to
the printer.  This isn't really so bad though, at least not for me, since
I'm printing several separate pages, or documents, anyway.  I didn't even
make use of revShowPrintDialog at all because its setting do not apply when
using the print command after it.  But using answer printer or open printing
with dialog to apply their setting to revPrintField and revPrintText.  Be
sure to issue a close printing command after you've used print card or
something similar.

Hope that all makes sense.  I would really like to see a more standardized
method for printing.  This is so confusing.  Maybe it's not possible because
of the platform differences?  Anyway, hope I've helped out a bit.  And using
Richard's suggestions for sending print jobs to PDFs is a great way to save
paper and ink.

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
Read Naturally


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>Thanks,

I have also been trying to work this out - in the process have used a lot of
paper. I'd be happy just to get a list of steps. The more I read the docs
the more confused I get.


Hoping somebody can help,

patrend(at)bigpond.com

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Suggestion: Testimonials For C Programmers

[Rob Cozens]

Hi All,

If one monitors any list conversation for any length of time, one 
soon begins to identify certain issues or questions as FAQs.

I suspect that "why can't I script 'counter++'?", "how dare I simply 
initiate an event without knowing if or where it will be processed?", 
and "isn't xTalks syntax amateurish?" are strong candidates for a Run 
Rev FAQ list.

I would like to find a way to minimize the amount of replay these 
issues receive on the List, and one thought I had was the compilation 
of testimonials from Revolutionists with a strong C background 
directed for presentation to fellow C programmers evaluating Runtime 
Revolution.

I propose this because, during recent conversations on the subject, 
while many of us spoke passionately on behalf of xTalks, and some 
such as moi were a little more blunt about our feelings regarding C 
syntax, the responses that I felt focused on what C programmers would 
find most pertinent came from Revolutionists who are well grounded in 
C and can relate real-world experiences demonstrating substantial 
productivity gains.

Were I among the powers that be at Run Rev Ltd., I would encourage 
opie, Alex, & others who contributed to the discussion in that vein 
to assist Run Rev in preparing & publishing a testimonial for C 
programmers from former C programs.

...and perhaps a similar testimonial for Real/Visual Basic 
programmers from former RBers/VBers.

..with a Java version later  :{`)

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm
"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
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Screen vs Page vs Card

[Dave Calkins]

On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 10:56  AM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There is no way, I'm going to force the card metaphor on my customers.
I learn the terms of their domain.
Dar Scott

That is the key to being successful.

1. Knowing your client's jargon.
2. Being able to address their needs in their terms, not necessarily a 
computer programer's
 terms.
Dave Calkins

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Re: Graphics Library 8bit...16bit, Sharpen, Laplacian, Cranny?

[A.C.T.]

Hi, Kevin,

Does anyone know a library with convert image 8-bit Color 16-bit Color etc., Sharpen, Laplacian, Cranny, and Segmentation?
The propably best package (at least most widely used) is "ImageMagick", 
which runs fine under most modern OS. And it's free.

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[j]

I'm even uncomfortable with many of the alternative shorthand forms 
such as cd when I see them in other people's scripts.
Me, too.  But, I'm a touch typist and I recognize that others struggle 
with the keyboard.  It might be an "in crowd" jargon for some folks, 
but I suspect it is to minimize typing and maybe to minimize line 
length.
For some, it is possibly a hold over from the days when xTalk scripts 
could only be 32k per object, necessitating as much "squeezing" of the 
code as possible.

J.

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Re: Advice needed from C gurus for an external project

[Dar Scott]

On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 11:43 AM, jbv wrote:

The PCI board already exists. The idea is to evaluate
the possibility to use REv to build a UI to communicate /
configure it...
It depends on what the manufacturer provides.  There might be ways to 
exploit that.

Dar Scott

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change URL in previously opened browser (Windows)

[Springer, Paul]

Hello,

 

I have used the revGoUrl command to open a browser to a given URL (on a
windows PC). On subsequent calls for different URLs it opens a new instance
of the default browser application. Is there a way to cause the previously
opened browser to go to a new URL? 

 

I assume this involves identifying the browser instance (hopefully without
manually typing in a process number or some such thing) and sending it the
new URL as an argument, but I don't know how to do either of those things.

 

Thanks,

-Paul

 

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Dar Scott]

On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 10:01 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:

I agree...Lots of people still use index cards as flash cards. House 
officers--interns and residents--use them to keep patient data.  Index 
cards aren't quite dead yet.

Some people still use Rolodex's (I saw some at Walmart just 
yesterday).
This makes my point.

To those on the inside, the card metaphor is obvious.  To those on the 
outside it is just computer jargon until they get to "oh, I get it".  
Then they are on the inside and can talk about how obvious it is.

Besides the potential jargon, there are lots of meanings to the noun 
card, and the outsider can only guess which ones apply if not some 
sense not known.

Is a card some board that is plugged in?  "Everybody knows computers 
have boards."
Is a card something the filters out my mistakes?
Is a card something that tells everybody I'm here.
Is Hypercard very funny?

There is no way, I'm going to force the card metaphor on my customers.  
I learn the terms of their domain.

Dar Scott

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Advice needed from C gurus for an external project

[jbv]

Hi list,

What is the best place (website, dev. forum, mailing
list...) to look for C librairies to include or adapt in an
external to access a PCI board (both on Mac & PC) ?

The tasks should remain rather simple :
- locating the board on the PCI bus
- sending raw data to the board
- receiving confirmation from the board.

The PCI board already exists. The idea is to evaluate
the possibility to use REv to build a UI to communicate /
configure it...

Thanks,
JB

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Dar Scott]

On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:

I'm even uncomfortable with many of the alternative shorthand forms 
such as cd when I see them in other people's scripts.
Me, too.  But, I'm a touch typist and I recognize that others struggle 
with the keyboard.  It might be an "in crowd" jargon for some folks, 
but I suspect it is to minimize typing and maybe to minimize line 
length.

Dar Scott

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Graphics Library 8bit...16bit, Sharpen, Laplacian, Cranny?

[Kevin]

Does anyone know a library with convert image 8-bit Color 16-bit Color etc., Sharpen, 
Laplacian, Cranny, and Segmentation?

Kevin



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employer, my terminal, or the view out my window are purely
coincidental. 
Any resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic.

 The question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold
them
is left as an exercise for the reader. The question of the existence of
the reader
 is left as an exercise for the second god coefficient. 
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Re: Can't Connect to MySQL at Runtime

[Brian Maher]

Hi Devin,

I think you may just have hit upon the problem.  I have a preOpenStack handler in the 
mainstack that connects to the database and I do not do a "pass preOpenStack".  This 
may be causing the problem.  I will check it out tonight after work and let you know.

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Re: Saving and opening

[Klaus Major]

Hi Michael,

I am building a word program.how do I put a save and open function in 
it?
Please help
in what format would you like to save?

To preserve formatting i would recommend HTML or RTF...

OK, you have a field 1 and you want to save its contents to a file on 
disk:
...
ask file "Your promt here :-)..."
if the result <> "cancel" then
  ## 1. save as HTML
  put the htmltext of fld 1 into url("file:" & it & ".html")

  ## or 2. save as RTF
 ##  put the rtftext of fld 1 into url("file:" & it & ".rtf")
end if
...
To get a file into your field do this:

answer file "Select a file or *#&&0%..." with filter "*.html"
## WINDOWS ONLY, will only show files with that suffix
## or use: with filter "*rtf"
## will only show RTF-files...
if the result <> "cancel" then
  ## 1. open HTML
  set the htmltext of fld 1 to url("file:" & it)
  ## or 2. open RTF
 ##  set the rtftext of fld 1 to url("file:" & it)
end if
Hope that helps...

From Michael Miner
Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: Can't Connect to MySQL at Runtime

[hershrev]

In 2.1 postgres mac os 10.02.8 I have multiple stacks, No problem. 2.2 
, dead meat.
hershrev
On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 10:39 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

Brian,

Does your project have more than 1 stack in it? I had this problem in 
a project in which I accessed the mySQL database from the main stack, 
then went to a substack and tried to access it again. It worked fine 
in the IDE, but after building a standalone, nothing I tried worked 
(including setting the externals property, playing with the 
defaultFolder, using the revSetDatabaseDriverPath command, moving the 
drivers and libraries to different locations after compiling.) 
Finally, I went back and restructured the project so that everything 
was in a single stack. That did the trick. There seems to be some bug 
in the engine (?) that clobbers the database libraries when you move 
from one stack to another in a compiled application.

I've followed this problem closely for nearly a year now, and I 
haven't seen a solution other than the workaround I have described.

Devin

On Mar 28, 2004, at 3:32 PM, Brian Maher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have a stack that works just fine within the IDE but when I build a 
distribution (and include the database libraries) I get the following 
error at startup when connecting to my mysql database:

revdberr,invalid database type

Can anyone provide info on what might be causing this?

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University
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Re: Can't Connect to MySQL at Runtime

[Devin Asay]

Brian,

Just like you, when I am in the IDE, I can move between stacks with no 
adverse impact on database access. It was only when I built the 
standalone I got the "revdberror: invalid database" error. I too was 
building the standalone all in one file; i.e., no separate stack files. 
Since I modified the project so that all database access takes place in 
a single stack, I haven't had the problem in the standalone.

Oddly enough, I was able to reproduce the error in the IDE. I had 
placed an openStack handler in the substack for debugging purposes. I 
subsequently commented out the debugging code, leaving the on openStack 
framework. This caused the loss of database access in the IDE, just as 
I had been experiencing in the standalone. At first I thought it was 
because the openStack message was being blocked by the empty handler, 
but even after I added an explicit 'pass openStack' statement, the 
failures kept happening. It was only after I completely removed the 
openStack handler structure from the substack that the database 
functionality returned to the substack. This still had no effect on the 
standalone, however. Database access still failed upon moving to the 
substack.

As I said, merging the code into a single substack has proved a 
reliable workaround to the problem. It's still a vexing issue, since 
I'd rather keep the multi-stack setup in this project.

Devin

On Mar 29, 2004, at 9:46 AM, Brian Maher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

My project has (right now) the mainstack and two substacks that are 
all in the one .rev file (i.e. no separate, standalone stacks).  Have 
you ever had a problem without separate stacks?

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University
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Saving and opening

[Michael Miner]

I am building a word program.how do I put a save and open function in it?
Please help

 

>From Michael Miner

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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 6, Issue 176

[Rob Cozens]

These people giving you dirty looks are elitists who would like to see the
average person never learn to program -- or, better still, to make them
suffer for it by having to learn some nasty systems programming language.
This gets to the heart of things -- as a community, do we want Rev to
maintain its simplicity or do we want it to start looking and feeling like
all those other languages we chose not to use when we use Rev?
Right on as usual, Judy!
--
Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm
"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
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Re: The video library and the iSight camera

[Klaus Major]

Bon soir Joël,

Is it possible to use the Video Library (revInitializeVideoGrabber 
...) with
an iSight camera?
Oui :-)

Joel Guillod
Au revoir...

Regards

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Marian Petrides]

I agree...Lots of people still use index cards as flash cards. House 
officers--interns and residents--use them to keep patient data.  Index 
cards aren't quite dead yet.

On Mar 29, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

Some people still use Rolodex's (I saw some at Walmart just yesterday).

People still play with actual playing cards.

No mindreading here...



On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Dar Scott wrote:

Those who don't know something about programming cling to metaphors
they understand.  Those who do know insist that their metaphors apply
and should be obvious.
An oscilloscope has a panel.  If I mentioned the "panel" of an
oscilloscope to a technician an image applies.  If I mention a "map" 
to
a certain class of security system operator, an image applies.  It is
the domain of the topic that drives the images and it has nothing to 
do
with whether they have any knowledge of programming.

How does card apply?  Who today knows what a 5X3 card is?  Is it 
really
less ordered than a book?  I remember seeing a cartoon showing police
investigating the death of a man stabbed with a rod from a library 
card
catalog.  The officer said to the librarian, "Tell us again about what
happened after he dropped the drawer of cards."  In the minds of those
who know what an index card is, cards are ordered.

I remember in the old days when "it should be obvious" what a file is.
Instead people had images of people standing in line, of file 
cabinets,
of a tool metaphor, of a folder.

What was the first question people asked when introduced to Hypercard?
"Do you mean card as in a module that is plugged in, that is, like a
board that is plugged into a computer?"
I read novels front to back, but I rarely read technical books that
way.  I don't think they any less are composed of pages.
Never the less, I am impressed with your mind reading ability.

Dar Scott

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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 6, Issue 176

[Judy Perry]

These people giving you dirty looks are elitists who would like to see the
average person never learn to program -- or, better still, to make them
suffer for it by having to learn some nasty systems programming language.

This gets to the heart of things -- as a community, do we want Rev to
maintain its simplicity or do we want it to start looking and feeling like
all those other languages we chose not to use when we use Rev?

Judy

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, John Rule wrote:

> Implementing several references (card, page, screen, panel, book) is OK with
> me! I consistently get dirty looks from my colleagues when they hear the
> terms 'stack' and 'card' though...it's getting embarrassing. From an
> assemblers viewpoint, stack could be referencing the system heap or
> something, so I allude to something very complicated when that term slips
> out  ;-)

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Judy Perry]

Some people still use Rolodex's (I saw some at Walmart just yesterday).

People still play with actual playing cards.

No mindreading here...



On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> Those who don't know something about programming cling to metaphors
> they understand.  Those who do know insist that their metaphors apply
> and should be obvious.
>
> An oscilloscope has a panel.  If I mentioned the "panel" of an
> oscilloscope to a technician an image applies.  If I mention a "map" to
> a certain class of security system operator, an image applies.  It is
> the domain of the topic that drives the images and it has nothing to do
> with whether they have any knowledge of programming.
>
> How does card apply?  Who today knows what a 5X3 card is?  Is it really
> less ordered than a book?  I remember seeing a cartoon showing police
> investigating the death of a man stabbed with a rod from a library card
> catalog.  The officer said to the librarian, "Tell us again about what
> happened after he dropped the drawer of cards."  In the minds of those
> who know what an index card is, cards are ordered.
>
> I remember in the old days when "it should be obvious" what a file is.
> Instead people had images of people standing in line, of file cabinets,
> of a tool metaphor, of a folder.
>
> What was the first question people asked when introduced to Hypercard?
> "Do you mean card as in a module that is plugged in, that is, like a
> board that is plugged into a computer?"
>
> I read novels front to back, but I rarely read technical books that
> way.  I don't think they any less are composed of pages.
>
> Never the less, I am impressed with your mind reading ability.
>
> Dar Scott
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RE: convert from main stack to substack?

[Springer, Paul]

Perfect. You just saved me a lot of time. 

Once you helped me see that the mainstack is a property, I just changed it
with the inspector (since this was a one time operation). I guess I could
have used the message box and the command you wrote. 

Thanks Klaus.
-Paul

-Original Message-
From: Klaus Major [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:05 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: convert from main stack to substack?

HI Paul,

> I have three applications that make up a demo (there are three because 
> they
> notionally run on different computers and communicate via sockets) and 
> I
> want to make a variation on this (so I can have a simple demo to take 
> on the
> road which will run on one machine, not require any TCP/IP, launch 
> with a
> single click, and generally be marketing-person friendly).
>
> My question is this - Is there a really simple way to "import" these 
> main
> stacks as substacks, or do I need to resort to the slightly less 
> simple way
> of cutting and pasting objects and scripts into new substacks? I 
> realize I
> will need to manually make the changes to eliminate the socket
> communication; I thought that there might be a way to avoid the 
> cutting and
> pasting though.

simply 3 times:

...
set the mainstack of stack "old main stack name here" to "name of new 
mainstack here"
...

should do the job...

Hope that helps...

> Thanks,
>
> Paul

Regards

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The video library and the iSight camera

[Joël Guillod]

Is it possible to use the Video Library (revInitializeVideoGrabber ...) with
an iSight camera?

Joel Guillod

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Dave Cragg]

At 9:27 am -0500 29/3/04, Marian Petrides wrote:

I'm not even sure permissively allowing use of 'screen" and "page"
as alternatives would be a benefit because then you would have
people on this list using a variety of different terms for the same
thing--very confusing for the neophyte in particular.  I'm thinking
of the 5 different synonyms for the same test in blood banking (IAT,
Indirect Coombs, Indirect Antiglobulin Test, Antibody screen/panel,
AHG phase) --drives students and new techs nuts.
I go along with this. I'm even uncomfortable with many of the 
alternative shorthand forms such as cd when I see them in other 
people's scripts.

Another reason for not allowing alternatives is that it reduces the 
stock of available terms that might be used for future objects that 
we haven't thought of yet. "sheet" and "drawer" have had to be added 
to the language recently, so who knows when one of the OS developers 
will dream up a "page" or "screen" or even "periscope" object that we 
"must have" in Rev.

Cheers
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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Marian Petrides]

Hmm... if we are talking confusion here, what about all those Fortran 
types who think of a card as a punch card, i.e. a single line of code?

Actually, although I mentioned "screen" as being a synonym for card, I 
was NOT advocating switching to this term in the actual Transcript 
language.

Up until recently, I used Discovery Systems'  Course Builder 
extensively.  Somewhere between version 2 and version 3 they switched 
terminology for the various elements within their visual environment 
(nests, blocks, etc.) and I personally found the change VERY 
frustrating.  It's tough enough to learn new features without having to 
(needlessly) rethink the terms you use on a day-to-day basis to 
describe your work.

I'm not even sure permissively allowing use of 'screen" and "page" as 
alternatives would be a benefit because then you would have people on 
this list using a variety of different terms for the same thing--very 
confusing for the neophyte in particular.  I'm thinking of the 5 
different synonyms for the same test in blood banking (IAT, Indirect 
Coombs, Indirect Antiglobulin Test, Antibody screen/panel, AHG phase) 
--drives students and new techs nuts.

My 2 cents on the matter...

M

On Mar 29, 2004, at 9:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Judy Perry wrote:

I disagree, FWIW.  Conceptually, the two sets are *very different*.
Books are necessarily LINEAR.  How do you explain a non-linear book?
(Okay, you can present the case of an encyclopedia or dictionary, but
they're the *exception*, not the norm).
I would only advocate _adding_ "book" and "page" as _synonyms_, and 
only if there were no performance or other downsides.  Under no 
circumstances would I advocate removing "stack" and "card".

Besides -- has ToolBook really had the same impact that Hypercard has?
HC users looking for alternatives have likely found them by now.  But 
ToolBook users may not be aware that a simpler way of delivering to 
multiple platforms is available. When they get around to discovering 
Rev, it would be nice to support their scripts without modification. 
Tokens have been added for SuperCard and OMO compatibility, so this is 
consistent with the engine's history.

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convert from main stack to substack?

[Springer, Paul]

I have three applications that make up a demo (there are three because they
notionally run on different computers and communicate via sockets) and I
want to make a variation on this (so I can have a simple demo to take on the
road which will run on one machine, not require any TCP/IP, launch with a
single click, and generally be marketing-person friendly).

 

My question is this - Is there a really simple way to "import" these main
stacks as substacks, or do I need to resort to the slightly less simple way
of cutting and pasting objects and scripts into new substacks? I realize I
will need to manually make the changes to eliminate the socket
communication; I thought that there might be a way to avoid the cutting and
pasting though.

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Richard Gaskin]

Judy Perry wrote:

I disagree, FWIW.  Conceptually, the two sets are *very different*.

Books are necessarily LINEAR.  How do you explain a non-linear book?
(Okay, you can present the case of an encyclopedia or dictionary, but
they're the *exception*, not the norm).
I would only advocate _adding_ "book" and "page" as _synonyms_, and only 
if there were no performance or other downsides.  Under no circumstances 
would I advocate removing "stack" and "card".

Besides -- has ToolBook really had the same impact that Hypercard has?
HC users looking for alternatives have likely found them by now.  But 
ToolBook users may not be aware that a simpler way of delivering to 
multiple platforms is available. When they get around to discovering 
Rev, it would be nice to support their scripts without modification. 
Tokens have been added for SuperCard and OMO compatibility, so this is 
consistent with the engine's history.

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Re: OT: Contest for OSNews.com (write an article, win Xandros 2.0)

[Andre Garzia]

 
On Sunday, March 28, 2004, at 03:19PM, Judy Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Their site isn't loading for me...
>
>Judy

Judy
just checked the site, here it is loading, might have been some trouble with DNS...

the url for contest related info is http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6492

cheers
Hapopy writing

andre



>
>On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Folks,
>> >
>> > OSNews.com site is running a contest on Articles.
>
>> This is an excellent idea.  If interested please consider dropping me a
>> note so we can avoid overlapping articles.  I haven't picked a topic yet
>> but could post it here when I do it that would help.
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Re: If exists question

[Thomas McGrath III]

You may also need to try
go to card id dNewCardID
Tom

I've done the same thing myself many times.

On Mar 29, 2004, at 12:18 AM, Ken Ray wrote:


The new card's abbr ID is put into global gNewCardID

Then, at the end of this handler:

wait 30 milliseconds -- put in to allow Rev to catch up with
functions if exists(gNewCardID)
then
   go to gNewCardID
   put emtpy into gNewCardID
end if
Rev can't find this new card.  I have captured the global gNewCardID
into "msg" and it updates and shows the newly created card abb ID.
The problem is you can't "go" to an ID number, you have to "go card"...
right now when you ask if gNewCardID exists, you're asking if the 
*variable*
gNewCardID exists (which it does), and then you effectively are saying:

  go to 1024

which doesn't mean anything to Rev, and so you get the error. Try this:

wait 30 milliseconds -- put in to allow Rev to catch up with functions
if exists(card gNewCardID)
then
   go to card gNewCardID
   put emtpy into gNewCardID
end if
HTH,

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Re: chunks of containers

[Thomas McGrath III]

How about a people delimiter?

I'd like to chunk some people I know. ;-)

Tom

On Mar 28, 2004, at 6:05 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

On Sunday, March 28, 2004, at 03:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-- actually, I want this for a text container:
Page [hummm, a pagedelemiter would be cool based on formatted 
height??? ;-) ]
Line (closest thing for a paragraph)
Word
Char
I think it would be nice to chunk at a higher level.  It might be nice 
if I could define my own.  (Someplace is one of the archives might be 
my proposal for such.  There are probably lots of ways to do this.)

I don't like the idea of chunks being dependent on external things, 
though.  Not for built-in chunks, anyway.  That is OK for custom 
chunks.

I think arrays should be an important consideration in chunks.  If 
nested arrays are added, we can get an indefinite structure depth.

Dar Scott

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[j]

Those who don't know something about programming cling to metaphors 
they understand.
Maybe.  So they should be excluded from exploring programming?  That 
smacks of elitism.  I sincerely hope I am just reading it wrong.  One 
is bound to run into plenty of HyperCard fanatics (myself included) who 
will oppose such elitism with great enthusiasm.


How does card apply?  Who today knows what a 5X3 card is?
Anyone who *doesn't* know what a 3x5 index card is either needs to (1) 
go back to elementary school or (2) report to me immediately for 
tutoring and a spanking.  :)


Is it really less ordered than a book?
Yes, cards are much less ordered than a book.  The pages in books are 
bound in a single linear fashion and can't be reordered.  The whole 
reason you are supposed to take notes (for a research project, report, 
speech, etc.) on index cards is that they can be reordered, grouped in 
different ways.  It is part of the thought process in doing research, 
writing a speech, etc.  People who just sit down and start with a draft 
miss the most important step: challenging their way of thinking to see 
new connections, form new lines of thought, create new mental paradigms 
regarding the topic at hand.  But I digress...


"Do you mean card as in a module that is plugged in, that is, like a 
board that is plugged into a computer?"
A medical secretary at her desk in 1989 using HyperCard stacks to 
administer patient data never asked this question.  A retiree using 
HyperCard to document his stamp collection that same year never asked 
it, either.  Or a teen creating files on her LP collection.  Amateur 
chef and his recipes.  These are the people who used HyperCard, not 
hardcore programmers.

J.

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Re: tabbed buttons

[xbury . cs]

Steve,

There's 3 ways around this problem:

- put the tab in a group and show the horizontal bar to scroll (can be 
annoying)
- Use a pop-up menu ("option") - can also be annoying (as the properties' 
palette menu)
- As Richard mentioned, the old MacOS Control-Panel style with an index of 
the views on the left side (my personal favorite).

For multi-row tabs (which I avoid too) what I do is to reduce the number 
of tabs into
sections, and in each tab section, is a separate (and differently colored) 
tab with its
own subgroups. 

cheers
Xavier


On 29.03.2004 13:40:23 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Thanks for all your comments regarding the use of more than one row of
>tabbed buttons.  As usual, the list has provided lots of useful
>feedback.  :-)
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve
>
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Re: tabbed buttons

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Thanks for all your comments regarding the use of more than one row of 
tabbed buttons.  As usual, the list has provided lots of useful 
feedback.  :-)

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Plugins crashes on XP

[xbury . cs]

Hi everyone,

Im back from a surf and script holliday and wanted to investigate a major
problem I found with RR2.12 on Win XP - I'll try to reproduce it on other 
OSs
later...

1 - plug-in messages respond in therev example stack but no in any other
stack I created - I tried all possible tricks - with NOT one message 
passing
through - it works for the revExample so why doesn't it for other stacks?. 


After porting my whole app to a clone of the example stack, and modifying 
the scripts, I got into problem 2 non-stop.

2 - Despite, reinstallation, remove-reinstall, remove all plug-ins, RR got
so unstable I couldn't use ANY plug-ins without gettting a serious 
Application
crash within minutes of launching RR or any plug-in. No plug-ins= no 
crash.

Im seriously blocked by this unexplainable situation. Lack of 
documentation
doesn't help and I can't track any event message in the OS to find what is
wrong... (unhandled exception x0005 something).

So if anyone has any pointers I would be really grateful. Otherwise, it's 
going
to be another serious bugzilla entry...

TIA

cheers
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Re: (long) Transparent IDE elements and other problems

[Brian Yennie]

Interesting!

put someValue into field fieldName of group groupName
   if there is a field fieldName of group groupName
If I have this correct, you have many groups, each which has, say a 
field "label", one "notes", etc... so naturally you want to refer by 
name.

I know how much we all like workarounds, but I have one interesting 
thought: what if every time you created a group you concatenated the ID 
of the group onto the name of all of it's fields?

Which surfaces my assumption... is it much faster to refer directly to 
the field by name or ID, if the name is unique to all groups?

e.g.

if there is a field "label" of group "group592" => slow
if there is a field "label592" => faster???
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Re: Radiobuttonbehavior

[Dar Scott]

On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 01:32 AM, Wouter wrote:

The main group, which contains the grouped radiobuttons, has its 
backgroundbehavior set to true and is displayed on several cards. 
While the checkbox button retains its set hilite, the group of 
radiobuttons loses theirs when going from one card to the other. In 
other words, they retain their settings for the specific card once > set.
I'd try an experiment of grouping the radio buttons in a group within 
the background.  Because of the nature of radioBehavior maybe the 
memory for the radio buttons is in the enclosing group.


This seems no backgroundbehavior to me.  Verified this in Rev 2.2 RC 2 
as well as in 2.1.x and 1.1.1  Is this bugworthy?
Maybe.  I can't say.

Dar Scott

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Re: Screen vs Page vs Card

[Dar Scott]

On Sunday, March 28, 2004, at 08:25 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

You all are thinking in terms of people who already know something 
about
programming.

I'm thinking about those who don't.
Those who don't know something about programming cling to metaphors 
they understand.  Those who do know insist that their metaphors apply 
and should be obvious.

An oscilloscope has a panel.  If I mentioned the "panel" of an 
oscilloscope to a technician an image applies.  If I mention a "map" to 
a certain class of security system operator, an image applies.  It is 
the domain of the topic that drives the images and it has nothing to do 
with whether they have any knowledge of programming.

How does card apply?  Who today knows what a 5X3 card is?  Is it really 
less ordered than a book?  I remember seeing a cartoon showing police 
investigating the death of a man stabbed with a rod from a library card 
catalog.  The officer said to the librarian, "Tell us again about what 
happened after he dropped the drawer of cards."  In the minds of those 
who know what an index card is, cards are ordered.

I remember in the old days when "it should be obvious" what a file is.  
Instead people had images of people standing in line, of file cabinets, 
of a tool metaphor, of a folder.

What was the first question people asked when introduced to Hypercard?  
"Do you mean card as in a module that is plugged in, that is, like a 
board that is plugged into a computer?"

I read novels front to back, but I rarely read technical books that 
way.  I don't think they any less are composed of pages.

Never the less, I am impressed with your mind reading ability.

Dar Scott

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Re: Radiobuttonbehavior

[Wouter]

On 29 Mar 2004, at 02:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Message: 13
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:37:51 -0700
From: Dar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Radiobuttonbehavior
To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Sunday, March 28, 2004, at 04:41 PM, Wouter wrote:

Is it normal behavior the radiobuttons lose their hilite if one
goes to the next cd while the checkbox button retains its hilite?
I just put one of each on a card and looked at them with the property
inspector.  On has sharedHilite checked and the other does not.  I
guess the initial settings are not the same for these two.
Just change the one that does not do what you want.

Dar Scott

Tnx Dar, but this is not the problem. I checked these settings.
The main group, which contains the grouped radiobuttons, has its 
backgroundbehavior set to true and is displayed on several cards. While 
the checkbox button retains its set hilite, the group of radiobuttons 
loses theirs when going from one card to the other. In other words, 
they retain their settings for the specific card once set. This seems 
no backgroundbehavior to me.  Verified this in Rev 2.2 RC 2 as well as 
in 2.1.x and 1.1.1  Is this bugworthy?

WA

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Re: (long) Transparent IDE elements and other problems

[Frank Leahy]

On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 06:51  AM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I guess what I'm trying to say, is that all programming goes through
some optimization. Heck, even C++ programs have parts written in
Assembly language in order to optimize their speed-- it's just part of
the process.

Chipp,

You're right.  I sent off a demo stack that showed the problem to Geoff 
Canyon, and he wrote back that I should add a bug to Bugzilla about RR 
having problems handling large numbers of text fields.  But the 
interesting part of the process was that I did some timings before I 
sent the stack off and found a couple of ways that I could speed up my 
code significantly.  Working alone is great for some things, but what I 
wouldn't give for someone to do a code review with once in awhile...

By the way, my tests showed that the two slowest statements with large 
numbers of groups and fields appear to be:

put someValue into field fieldName of group groupName

and

   if there is a field fieldName of group groupName

-- Frank

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