Thoughts on screed about HC and Applescript
Hi, A couple days ago, I submitted a long screed to Apple's Bugreporter (probably not the best place) as a feature request for Applescript. Then I posted it to the "Applescript Users" mailing list. The reactions were not exactly pretty. I'm wondering what people here think, since Rev is closer to HC (IMO) than AS is, especially my point at (1) about Cocoa and AS Studio being more 'intimidating' that HC, and my general idea of "desktop programming"? BTW, could Rev be used to do such "Desktop programming" - i.e. have a stack that would have a "clear" card (not opqaue) such that clicks to the card (but not objects on it which had scripts) would be passed to applications "underneath" the stack? You'd have to be able to make a "clear" card, and either have Rev sit on the very bottom of the windowing stack or the very top - probably the bottom, as to really integrate nicely, it would be desireably to have the ability to, say, you could put a Finder icon (MacOS) right next to a button in the Rev app, even if the Rev app had a field across from the button, like this: [Rev button] [Finder icon] [Rev field] The button and field would be part of the application, but the icon would have to sit between them. The only way I can see this happening is if the Rev stack were at the bottom of the windowing stack. And it *might* have to stay there, even when it's controls were activated. This might be an interesting idea for the Windows/Mac/Linux? GUIs of Rev to be able to do in the future.. -- "The Screed" -- It would be SO nice if in Applescript I could simply write: put 5 into tVar put "set x to" && quote & tVar & quote && "+10" into tCommand [...] than the rather cumbersome (and much less Englishlike) set tVar to 5 -- or equivalently 'copy 5 to tVar' set tCommand to "set x to \"" & tVar & "\"+10" [...] First of all, the word 'quote' is just easier on the eye than the escape-double-quote, except perhaps for people who are used to reading Perl for a living - which I don't think AS's audience is. The && operator for concatenation with a space is not as intuitive, but it is simple, and accomplishes a function that one often wants to do when composing text. It is both easier (some would say more concise) than using the 'space' keyword, and is easier on the eyes than writing "this string " & "has a space in it" with the space at the END of the first string literal - the eye can VERY easily miss that space, or worse, delete it by mistake. As for the 'put' command - I have never liked AS's 'set' command - it makes sense to *set* properties such as the height of an object. It does not however make as much sense to "set" a variable. It makes sense, but it's not what people generally say when they are referring to real world containers, which after all, are what variables are - containers. One never says "I set water into the bucket". HC succeeded because the programming language metaphors matched the real-world metaphors they were trying to emulate. AS doesn't do this as much (and I have written quite a lot of HC in my time, and a fair amount of AS too) The 'copy' command is closer to the English language usage, but again, not quote. To copy implies that the destination already exists, and that the source will continue to exist after the execution. This is true with variables, but it is also (assummed) true with 'put' and 'set' as well (that's where the metaphorical relation between computer-variables and real-world-objects breaks - the contents of variables are almost ALWAYS copied, whereas real-world objects cannot be generally) 'Set' also brings to mind to possibility that it is performing a refernce-copy instead of a value - like a 'clone' command (from NewtonScript). Which of course it doesn't either. When AS came out, I had hoped that I would either be able to type in HC scripts I had been writing for years *exactly* as they had been, and have them work (as far as they would - as HC had no application-object model), or that they would with very minor changes. Alas, that didn't happen, and it *continues* to frustrate me to this day, because I write something that would have worked in HC, and it doesn't in AS, and I can't figure out why. Most often this has to do with coercian of variables that didn't seem to be a problem in HC (having to write kludgy-looking things as "display dialog (tFile as string)" instead of having the AS compiler know enough to do the coercian of a file refernce to a string automatically. But that's another bug report - I'll have to come up with specific examples. Generally, I would hope that Apple would resurect the entire HC language syntax, and re-create it as an AS dialect (if those still exist in the current codebase - I know they did at one point). This would be of great benefit if there are still a bunch of HyperCard veterans like me out there (I don't know), especially if Applesc
Re: NumberFormat in field
On Saturday, April 10, 2004, at 05:17 PM, Dar Scott wrote: The global numberFormat property comes into play whenever the result of a math operation or math function application is used as a string, as in the case when it is put into a field, used as an array key, or used with the '&' operator. I goofed. Though numberFormat is not associated with an object, it is not global in Revolution; it is local to a handler and even to a particular call of the function or command. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: stackFiles BUG?
I agree in the dialog is looks correct I thought the same thing. However, when I retrieved the "stackFiles" property (after setting it from the dialog the) format was , not ,,,...,. In fact may code encountered a error in 2.2. Orginal Code example: try if thePackage is not among the items of myCalingStacksFiles then if myCallingStacksFiles is empty then ... else ... end if end if catch myError ... end try Altered Code for 2.2: replace return with comma in myCallingStacksFiles try if thePackage is not among the items of myCalingStacksFiles then if myCallingStacksFiles is empty then ... else ... end if end if catch myError ... end try Kevin -==-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=- Disclaimer: Any resemblance between the above views and those of my employer, my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental. Any resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic. The question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold them is left as an exercise for the reader. The question of the existence of the reader is left as an exercise for the second god coefficient. (A discussion of non-orthogonal, non-integral polytheism is beyond the scope of this article.) --- On Sat 04/10, J. Landman Gay < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: J. Landman Gay [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:09:45 -0500 Subject: Re: stackFiles BUG? On 4/9/04 12:49 PM, Kevin wrote:> In version 2.2 using the Property Inspector if you select Stack File> in the drop down and set a stack file the format of the "stackFiles"> property will be what I listed in the previous email.I'm not seeing that here. If I click on the little folder icon and choose a stack, it goes into the list normally. I see only one comma -- the one that separates the stack name from the file path.-- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com___use-revolution mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Talking to a GPS unit over USB
On Apr 10, 2004, at 6:43 PM, Dar Scott wrote: Rats, it looks like it isn't going to work . driverNames() returns empty. There is a serial connection cable that I can get for it. I have a Keyspan serial->USB converter so I think I will pick that up and give it a try. Rats. I am surprised; the GPS protocols are based on a family of navigation standards that specifies serial. Here is an alternative to driverNames() that might come up with a different answer. (I only know of driverNames() missing the built-in modem; if you see anything else in deviceNames() and not in driverNames(), please let me know.) ... Thanks for passing along the function Dar. That showed the modem but not the GPS device. I went through the connection settings on my Garmin GPS unit and it looks as if the USB connection uses a proprietary Garmin protocol. I can select from multiple protocols with a serial connection (I just don't have a serial connector yet) so I will give that a try when I can get a hold of a serial cable for it. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Talking to a GPS unit over USB
On Saturday, April 10, 2004, at 05:51 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
I would expect that a GPS unit with a USB interface is set up to look
just like serial. If that is not the case, you will not be able to
establish communications without something special.
Rats, it looks like it isn't going to work . driverNames() returns
empty. There is a serial connection cable that I can get for it. I
have a Keyspan serial->USB converter so I think I will pick that up
and give it a try.
Rats. I am surprised; the GPS protocols are based on a family of
navigation standards that specifies serial.
Here is an alternative to driverNames() that might come up with a
different answer. (I only know of driverNames() missing the built-in
modem; if you see anything else in deviceNames() and not in
driverNames(), please let me know.)
-- Ken Ray and Dar Scott did this
function deviceNames
local theNames="", ioregOutput, skipLines, temp
local IOTTYDevice, IODialinDevice, IOCalloutDevice
set the hideConsoleWindows to true
put shell("ioreg -n IOSerialBSDClient") into ioregOutput
repeat forever
put lineOffset("IOSerialBSDCLient",ioregOutput) into skipLines
if skipLines is zero then return thenames
delete line 1 to skipLines of ioregOutput
-- Get all the data between the braces
put char(offset("{",ioregOutput)) to (offset("}",ioregOutput)) of
ioregOutput into temp
get matchText(temp,"\"IOTTYDevice\" = \"(.*?)\"",IOTTYDevice)
if it is not true then next repeat
get matchText(temp,"\"IODialinDevice\" = \"(.*?)\"",IODialinDevice)
if it is not true then next repeat
get matchText(temp,"\"IOCalloutDevice\" =
\"(.*?)\"",IOCalloutDevice)
if it is not true then next repeat
put IOTTYDevice,IODialinDevice,IOCalloutDevice & lineFeed after
theNames
end repeat
end deviceNames
Another clue that you can open it as serial is finding it with 'ls
/dev/cu.*'.
I think there are three categories of serial devices in OS X and I
suspect that driverNames() only looks in one.
Dar Scott
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Re: Typing in field grinds to near halt
Could be... with OSX... what should I tell me beta user to do to test this? I'm a bit spoiled with a G4 with 1 gig RAM, so hard to emulate.. On Apr 10, 2004, at 11:06 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: Could it be a memory issue? regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Talking to a GPS unit over USB
On Apr 10, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Saturday, April 10, 2004, at 12:20 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: I have this shiny new GPS unit with a USB interface and wanted to play around with communication between it and a Rev application on OS X. I would love to be able to download waypoints. I've never worked with USB connections (or serial) before and wondered if anyone has any experience in this area and could help get me started. I found the open driver command and it says it can be used for communication with USB devices but there are no examples. I did a quick search of the archives and didn't see anything either. I would expect that a GPS unit with a USB interface is set up to look just like serial. If that is not the case, you will not be able to establish communications without something special. See what the drivernames() function returns. (Don't worry if it does not show the built-in modem, that is a known bug.) You might recognized something that looks like the GPS. If you find something there, it is looking good. Try opening and closing it. If that works, try reading until empty repeatedly and append the results to a field. See if that looks promising. Rats, it looks like it isn't going to work . driverNames() returns empty. There is a serial connection cable that I can get for it. I have a Keyspan serial->USB converter so I think I will pick that up and give it a try. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: NumberFormat in field
On Saturday, April 10, 2004, at 02:40 PM, Gray Steifel wrote: Converted a Hcard accounting program to Rev., where I use extensively the “set numberFormat to 0.00” for all fields with numbers and/or the data sent to the field. How, if possible, does this work in Revolution? The global numberFormat property comes into play whenever the result of a math operation or math function application is used as a string, as in the case when it is put into a field, used as an array key, or used with the '&' operator. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Talking to a GPS unit over USB
On Saturday, April 10, 2004, at 12:20 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: I have this shiny new GPS unit with a USB interface and wanted to play around with communication between it and a Rev application on OS X. I would love to be able to download waypoints. I've never worked with USB connections (or serial) before and wondered if anyone has any experience in this area and could help get me started. I found the open driver command and it says it can be used for communication with USB devices but there are no examples. I did a quick search of the archives and didn't see anything either. I would expect that a GPS unit with a USB interface is set up to look just like serial. If that is not the case, you will not be able to establish communications without something special. See what the drivernames() function returns. (Don't worry if it does not show the built-in modem, that is a known bug.) You might recognized something that looks like the GPS. If you find something there, it is looking good. Try opening and closing it. If that works, try reading until empty repeatedly and append the results to a field. See if that looks promising. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UMLAUT/ACCENTS probs on X, was:Panic with incorporation of tx and REV 2.2
On Apr 10, 2004, at 2:05 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: I'm looking into this. Of course, I saw Tuviah's response two minutes after sending this. Klaus, for me it was the incriminating pictures. If my parents ever found out... ;-) regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Typing in field grinds to near halt
Could it be a memory issue? regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 10, 2004, at 1:39 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote: I have an "Audio_transcriber.rev" tool that a) plays an audio file from the local hard drive with a QT player and various buttons to stop resume back up etc b) a field below for transcribing the talk... I created a stand alone player which drive this tool and a user is now saying: " I was more than 3/4 complete with the transcription of 10Concord when the typing showing up on the screen started slowing down. At first it almost kept up with my typing then it slowed more and more so that I could type a whole phrase or sentence and only one or two letters would have by then shown up on the screen. I would have to stop and wait for the transcript to catch up with me. No it was not a siddhi that I became an amazingly quick typist. Ha ha! This started when I was about 1900 seconds into the talk if that is meaningful. Also slowing down was the response to the stop and resume buttons." Anyone know what might bring Rev to its knees? This particular user is Mac OSX. Sannyasin Sivakatirswami Himalayan Academy Publications at Kauai's Hindu Monastery [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.HimalayanAcademy.com, www.HinduismToday.com www.Gurudeva.org www.Hindu.org ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UMLAUT/ACCENTS probs on X, was:Panic with incorporation of tx and REV 2.2
I'm looking into this. regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 10, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Klaus Major wrote: Bon jour Yves, just checked Godzilla :-) I (surprise :-) reported this bug #534 in September 2003, which is still marked as NEW. No further comment... P.S. Is the french version of RR already available? :-D Hi Klaus, happy to see I'm not alone with the problem, but NOT happy of the bug... BUT I'm very astonished because the previous versions of Rev gave me no any problem with diacriticals chars in the pathway to a file it causes a bug for me since Rev 2.2??? Well, it also was in 2.1 somehow, but the maybe results were slightly different... E.g. the Standalonebuilder would not work with files inside folders with umlauts/diacr. in their names... Can you insist to have this bug fixed asap ??? Thank you very much for your confidence, but unfortunately you overrate my influence ;-) BUT i could look for some "incriminating" pictures or video-footage in my "blackmail"-archives... :-D it causes me many problems since I've build stacks based on pathway to a file and since the last version, nothing runs anymore and at the other hand, I've made changes in many stacks to make them compatible with Rev 2.2 and I cannot go behind anymore... So I'm totaly blocked I added another comment to this bug in Godzilla, but that's all i can do... P.S. : I must acknowledge that you use the coarse French words well, better than me of German!!! Merci bien, monsieur :-) Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Au revoir... Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
NumberFormat in field
Hello, Converted a Hcard accounting program to Rev., where I use extensively the ³set numberFormat to 0.00² for all fields with numbers and/or the data sent to the field. How, if possible, does this work in Revolution? Thanks, Gray in Greensboro ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Typing in field grinds to near halt
I have an "Audio_transcriber.rev" tool that a) plays an audio file from the local hard drive with a QT player and various buttons to stop resume back up etc b) a field below for transcribing the talk... I created a stand alone player which drive this tool and a user is now saying: " I was more than 3/4 complete with the transcription of 10Concord when the typing showing up on the screen started slowing down. At first it almost kept up with my typing then it slowed more and more so that I could type a whole phrase or sentence and only one or two letters would have by then shown up on the screen. I would have to stop and wait for the transcript to catch up with me. No it was not a siddhi that I became an amazingly quick typist. Ha ha! This started when I was about 1900 seconds into the talk if that is meaningful. Also slowing down was the response to the stop and resume buttons." Anyone know what might bring Rev to its knees? This particular user is Mac OSX. Sannyasin Sivakatirswami Himalayan Academy Publications at Kauai's Hindu Monastery [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.HimalayanAcademy.com, www.HinduismToday.com www.Gurudeva.org www.Hindu.org ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.2 WARNING - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MisterX wrote: Xavier wrote - Well, since 2.2, the GM crashed RR, has completely resized my fields in the wrong place (162 controls in the discrete browser I dont wish to script in a resizestack handler!) Just curious: how long did it take you to assign the >>Geometry Manager properties for those controls? And of the 162 controls, how many are repositioned/resized when the stack is resized? Roughly one third - roughly 60 controls. I spent around 1 to 3 hours adjusting the offsets! At a generous 30 seconds per object, if you had scripted a resizeStack handler you would have been done in half an hour and have total control over the resize behavior. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UMLAUT/ACCENTS probs on X, was:Panic with incorporation
Thanks, Tuviah :) Pierre Le 10 avr. 04, à 16:34, tuviah snyder a écrit : OK just fixed this, don't panic. Support for long files names from 'answer file' was added in 2.2 as per request (so you can now choose files which are really, really long on OSX). we needed to convert from UTF8 to ASCII. I've posted a quick update, should be available shortly. Are there any UMLAUT/ACCENTS bugs not related to answer file that need to be fixed right away? Tuviah ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom:+33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire "delta de productivité" ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Talking to a GPS unit over USB
Hi, I have this shiny new GPS unit with a USB interface and wanted to play around with communication between it and a Rev application on OS X. I would love to be able to download waypoints. I've never worked with USB connections (or serial) before and wondered if anyone has any experience in this area and could help get me started. I found the open driver command and it says it can be used for communication with USB devices but there are no examples. I did a quick search of the archives and didn't see anything either. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Floating window on Windows
Thomas- Saturday, April 10, 2004, 5:15:13 AM, you wrote: TMI> I am looking at a new project. On the Mac I will have a floating tool TMI> pallet using applescript to control other apps with. Can some one TMI> provide general information on what I can do on the Windows side to TMI> allow REV in a floating window to control other apps. By control I mean TMI> both application commands (cut, copy, new, paste, quit, etc.) and TMI> sending text to editable fields in the application (word page, excell TMI> table, etc.). TMI> Also, is there a way to do this with out going down the applescript TMI> route?? You might look into spawning a VBScript task. IIRC the System object is what you want. The language isn't very well documented, but I could probably dig up some urls if you need them. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UMLAUT/ACCENTS probs on X, was:Panic with incorporation
Hi Klaus, happy to see I'm not alone with the problem, but NOT happy of the bug... BUT I'm very astonished because the previous versions of Rev gave me no any problem with diacriticals chars in the pathway to a file it causes a bug for me since Rev 2.2??? Can you insist to have this bug fixed asap ??? it causes me many problems since I've build stacks based on pathway to a file and since the last version, nothing runs anymore and at the other hand, I've made changes in many stacks to make them compatible with Rev 2.2 and I cannot go behind anymore... Hi Tuviah, Thank you for the quick answer... Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: long file names fixed! Yippie
In a message dated 04/10/2004 12:01:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > so you can now choose files which are > really, really long on OSX > -- thank you Tuviah! I am scrambling to get funds for 2.2 as I type. I assume this fix works for answer file, ask file as well as URL file names?? Andrew ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: RegEx question
Yves, As Brian pointed out, you just need to copy what you are doing with the month for the day... that is, take what Dar suggested: (0?[1-9]|[12][0-9]|3[01]) and just take out the ?: (0[1-9]|[12][0-9]|3[01]) This will enforce the need for leading zeroes. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Yves COPPE > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:12 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: RegEx question > > > Hi Dar > > > > > Maybe this will work: > > > > function CheckDate pDateToCheck > > return > > > matchText(pDateToCheck,"\A(0?[1-9]|[12][0-9]|3[01])/(0[1-9]|1[0-2])/ > > ([0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9])\z") > > end CheckDate > > > > It is not consistent yet as to whether the leading zero is > optional. > > It is optional for the day of the month, but required for the month. > > > > > i'm almost on the good regEx > but now I'd like that the day MUST be two chars and not an optional > > so : > > 05/04/2004 returns true > and > 5/04/2004 should return false (at this moment, it returns true) > > Can you give me one more hint ?? > > Amicalement. > > Yves COPPE > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help with paste...
Something is happening for sure and it does point to Rev. The curly quote for the font I'm in shows clearly in the InDesign gliphs palette as assigned GID 210, This is the same ASCII code one will get if you actually type a curly quote in a Rev field itself and query for its ASCII code. but, if I copy a inDesignCurlyQuote(210) and paste into Rev. it gets converted to someWeirdRevAssignment(28) which is not a a valid character assignment in BBEdit's ASCII table, but falls in the sub-character range usually reserved for low-level machine codes-signals. ?? I am also getting extra spaces thrown in by Rev before these characters... the work around is, in my verbose "baby" xTalk mode of coding: case "Clean Text" put the selection into jai replace "Â" with quote in jai replace "Â" with quote in jai replace "Â" with "'" in jai replace "Â" with "'" in jai replace numToChar(4) with "" in jai replace numToChar(28) with Quote in jai replace numToChar(29) with Quote in jai replace numToChar(24) with "'" in jai replace numToChar(25) with "'" in jai put "? " & quote into tExtraSpace put "?" & quote into tSpaceOut replace tExtraSpace with tSpaceOut in jai put ". " & quote into tExtraSpace put "." & quote into tSpaceOut replace tExtraSpace with tSpaceOut in jai put "! " & quote into tExtraSpace put "!" & quote into tSpaceOut replace tExtraSpace with tSpaceOut in jai On Apr 9, 2004, at 7:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 4/9/04 11:28 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote: If I Open InDesign and copy a piece of text "It's (That's: curly quote, capital Eye, lower case t, curly apostrophe, s) Now, if I paste this into a field into Rev 2.2 on OSX, select it and run this script against it: on mouseup put the selection into jai repeat for each char x in jai put charTonum(x) & cr after hum end repeat put cr & hum after the selection end mouseup I get a really strange result: ÃâÅItÃââs I wonder if some of this stuff is related to unicode problems in the engine. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reproducable Crashing Bug in MacOS 9
On Apr 10, 2004, at 7:24 AM, David Burgun wrote: Not sure how to report bugs and not sure if I report this one. http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/bugdatabase/ regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UMLAUT/ACCENTS probs on X, was:Panic with incorporation
Hi Tuviah, OK just fixed this, don't panic. Support for long files names from 'answer file' was added in 2.2 as per request (so you can now choose files which are really, really long on OSX). we needed to convert from UTF8 to ASCII. I've posted a quick update, should be available shortly. This is good news :-) Are there any UMLAUT/ACCENTS bugs not related to answer file that need to be fixed right away? create folder "été" delete folder "été" put "123" into url"file:ßßß.txt" etc... work fine... Tuviah Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de P.S. Just for MY records: Was it a dicriminating picture or video-footage that caused this lightning fast response? I mean, what did you fear more? :-D ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UMLAUT/ACCENTS probs on X, was:Panic with incorporation
> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:06:35 +0200 > From: Yves COPPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: UMLAUT/ACCENTS probs on X, was:Panic with incorporation > of tx and REV 2.2 > To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > > just checked Godzilla :-) > > > > I (surprise :-) reported this bug #534 in September 2003, > > which is still marked as NEW. > > > > No further comment... > > > > > > > > P.S. > > Is the french version of RR already available? :-D > > ___ > > use-revolution mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > Hi Klaus, > > happy to see I'm not alone with the problem, but NOT happy of the bug... > > BUT > > I'm very astonished because the previous versions of Rev gave me no any > problem with diacriticals chars in the pathway to a file > it causes a bug for me since Rev 2.2??? > > Can you insist to have this bug fixed asap ??? it causes me many > problems since I've build stacks based on pathway to a file and since > the last version, nothing runs anymore and at the other hand, I've made > changes in many stacks to make them compatible with Rev 2.2 and I > cannot go behind anymore... OK just fixed this, don't panic. Support for long files names from 'answer file' was added in 2.2 as per request (so you can now choose files which are really, really long on OSX). we needed to convert from UTF8 to ASCII. I've posted a quick update, should be available shortly. Are there any UMLAUT/ACCENTS bugs not related to answer file that need to be fixed right away? Tuviah ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reproducable Crashing Bug in MacOS 9
Hi, Not sure how to report bugs and not sure if I report this one. I have found a reproducable crashing bug in MacOS 9 version of RunRev. Just copy any object to the clipboard, then create a new Stack then Appempt to Paste the Clipboard into the Name Field for the Stack in the Stack Inspector! Did it my accident, but boy does it blow you away!!! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UMLAUT/ACCENTS probs on X, was:Panic with incorporation of tx and REV 2.2
Bon jour Yves, just checked Godzilla :-) I (surprise :-) reported this bug #534 in September 2003, which is still marked as NEW. No further comment... P.S. Is the french version of RR already available? :-D Hi Klaus, happy to see I'm not alone with the problem, but NOT happy of the bug... BUT I'm very astonished because the previous versions of Rev gave me no any problem with diacriticals chars in the pathway to a file it causes a bug for me since Rev 2.2??? Well, it also was in 2.1 somehow, but the maybe results were slightly different... E.g. the Standalonebuilder would not work with files inside folders with umlauts/diacr. in their names... Can you insist to have this bug fixed asap ??? Thank you very much for your confidence, but unfortunately you overrate my influence ;-) BUT i could look for some "incriminating" pictures or video-footage in my "blackmail"-archives... :-D it causes me many problems since I've build stacks based on pathway to a file and since the last version, nothing runs anymore and at the other hand, I've made changes in many stacks to make them compatible with Rev 2.2 and I cannot go behind anymore... So I'm totaly blocked I added another comment to this bug in Godzilla, but that's all i can do... P.S. : I must acknowledge that you use the coarse French words well, better than me of German!!! Merci bien, monsieur :-) Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Au revoir... Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Building reports - NTF reports features wanted!
The existing report builder in rev 2.2 is basically a label maker or card printer. It does not have any design tools. If you want to print a PDF form or even print some data on top of an existing form it would be very difficult (no positioning tools for field outputs). There is also no way to add a background tiff or PDF. What are the work-arounds for this? Can rev 2.2 be combined with AppleScript to send data to Acrobat Pro? I imagine you could have an Acrobat form for each of the reports you need with fields labeled for the data and it would always be running at the same time as your stack and you send the data to it as needed. Has anyone done this? I have an existing set of Hypercard stacks that use NTF reports and I would like to convert it to runrev. I understand that runrev chose not to buy NTF Reports and incorporate its power (or is that something happening in the future?). Would I be better off redesigning everything in filemaker pro or some other program that has report building tools? I really like everything else about runrev and want to use the program. My favorite thing is its Hypercard like ability to make changes and tweaks as you use the program you built. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Floating window on Windows
Hello All Rev-bunnies, I am looking at a new project. On the Mac I will have a floating tool pallet using applescript to control other apps with. Can some one provide general information on what I can do on the Windows side to allow REV in a floating window to control other apps. By control I mean both application commands (cut, copy, new, paste, quit, etc.) and sending text to editable fields in the application (word page, excell table, etc.). Also, is there a way to do this with out going down the applescript route?? Thanks in advance, Tom Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RegEx question
Hi Dar Maybe this will work: function CheckDate pDateToCheck return matchText(pDateToCheck,"\A(0?[1-9]|[12][0-9]|3[01])/(0[1-9]|1[0-2])/ ([0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9])\z") end CheckDate It is not consistent yet as to whether the leading zero is optional. It is optional for the day of the month, but required for the month. i'm almost on the good regEx but now I'd like that the day MUST be two chars and not an optional so : 05/04/2004 returns true and 5/04/2004 should return false (at this moment, it returns true) Can you give me one more hint ?? Amicalement. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UMLAUT/ACCENTS probs on X, was:Panic with incorporation of tx and REV 2.2
just checked Godzilla :-) I (surprise :-) reported this bug #534 in September 2003, which is still marked as NEW. No further comment... P.S. Is the french version of RR already available? :-D ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Klaus, happy to see I'm not alone with the problem, but NOT happy of the bug... BUT I'm very astonished because the previous versions of Rev gave me no any problem with diacriticals chars in the pathway to a file it causes a bug for me since Rev 2.2??? Can you insist to have this bug fixed asap ??? it causes me many problems since I've build stacks based on pathway to a file and since the last version, nothing runs anymore and at the other hand, I've made changes in many stacks to make them compatible with Rev 2.2 and I cannot go behind anymore... So I'm totaly blocked P.S. : I must acknowledge that you use the coarse French words well, better than me of German !!! Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UMLAUT/ACCENTS probs on X, was:Panic with incorporation of tx and REV 2.2
Hi all, ... OR set the filename of img 1 to "/Users/klaus/Desktop/été/mess_path2.gif" without problems... In the latter case, the filename-field in the Inspector will contain the diacritical characters!? put url"binfile:/Users/klaus/Desktop/été/mess_path2.gif" into img 1 -> can't open file What gives??? Dp sigh... Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de just checked Godzilla :-) I (surprise :-) reported this bug #534 in September 2003, which is still marked as NEW. No further comment... Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de P.S. Is the french version of RR already available? :-D ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panic with incorporation of tx and REV 2.2
Bon jour Yves,
Le 10 avr. 04, à 08:31, Yves COPPE a écrit :
Hi,
I'm in a great panic :
Since Rev 2.2 on MAC OS X 10.3.3, my script doesn't run :
answer file "Choisissez un courrier"
if (it = "") or (the result = "cancel") then
exit to top
end if
put it into tfilename
put URL("file:"&tfilename) into tx
the variable "tx" is empty !!!
what happens ??
Please help
Formerly, with all the versions of Rev I had no problems...
Greetings.
I found a big problem :
when the pathway contains a folder with a diacritical character, then
the variable "tx" is empty or contains de pathway
/users//desktop/ : OK
/users//éléments/ : nothing
what to do
thank you for rapid help !
Greetings.
Yves COPPE
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Confirmed!
Looks like the handling of paths with umlauts/diacriticals is still
screwed up in Rev on OS X :-(
Merde alors!!!
I created a folder on my desktop called "été" and put an image in it...
This is what i get with "ask file xxx;put it"
/Users/klaus/Desktop/eÃÅteÃÅ/mess_path2.gif
And this will also be in the "Inspector"-field when i set the filenname
of an image to that file...
But i can script:
set the filename of img 1 to
"/Users/klaus/Desktop/eÃÅteÃÅ/mess_path2.gif"
OR
set the filename of img 1 to "/Users/klaus/Desktop/été/mess_path2.gif"
without problems...
In the latter case, the filename-field in the Inspector will contain
the diacritical characters!?
put url"binfile:/Users/klaus/Desktop/été/mess_path2.gif" into img 1
-> can't open file
What gives???
Dp sigh...
Regards
Klaus Major
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www.major-k.de
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Re: Bugs in Bugzilla Was Re: Hello from a Filemaker renegade (Geoff Canyon)
Sorry, the joke went right past me. I was drawing the distinction between a crashing bug in something that you build and give/sell to others, which is as bad as it gets, and a crashing bug that causes the IDE to die while you're developing software. That's bad too, but not nearly as bad. Better that you crash ten times than that your customer crashes once. regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 10, 2004, at 12:08 AM, Dar Scott wrote: On Friday, April 9, 2004, at 08:44 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: -- Is it crashing people in Revolution? I have noticed that I have been crashing. Dar If the issue isn't in bugzilla, please enter it. If it is, great. But there is only bugzilla for Revolution and Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor; there is no place for reporting bugs in Dar. Arg, I'm dragging on a dumb joke and it still might not work. What I'm trying to say is that I don't understand your original line describing a bug attribute: "Is it crashing people in Revolution?" It is not clear to me how it is different from the others. I thought perhaps you actually meant bugs that caused people to get discouraged, cranky, stimied or something. Now, I think that less likely. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
