Re: Downloading Updates --the current stack?
At 12:50 AM +0200 5/18/05, Malte Brill wrote: JAED If it's not the main stack of the running application, you can JAED download the file, replacing the outdated file, then use the revert JAED command to load the new version from disk. Could there be trouble with file permissions? E.g. If the stack is inside the bundle on OsX? There shouldn't be. The revert command just reads the file - and the application had to do the same thing when it started up. If there's a problem with read permissions for the file, it will exist every time the user runs the application, even without downloading a new copy. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Downloading Updates --the current stack?
Hi Jeanne, sorry, I wasn´t clear enough. What I meant is the download and replacement process (write permissions) e.g when the app lies on macHD/Applications. Would that be a problem? If so, can we code around it? Thanks, Malte Could there be trouble with file permissions? E.g. If the stack is inside the bundle on OsX? There shouldn't be. The revert command just reads the file - and the application had to do the same thing when it started up. If there's a problem with read permissions for the file, it will exist every time the user runs the application, even without downloading a new copy. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Downloading Updates --the current stack?
H Jeanne, At 12:50 AM +0200 5/18/05, Malte Brill wrote: JAED If it's not the main stack of the running application, you can JAED download the file, replacing the outdated file, then use the revert JAED command to load the new version from disk. Could there be trouble with file permissions? E.g. If the stack is inside the bundle on OsX? There shouldn't be. The revert command just reads the file - and the application had to do the same thing when it started up. If there's a problem with read permissions for the file, it will exist every time the user runs the application, even without downloading a new copy. i am sure Malte meant eventual problem with WRITE permissions inside an OS X bundle. What about that? Anyway, i would recommend to store stack that might be replaced/ updated into some other place like where you DO have write permissions: ##Mac OS X/OS 9 specialfolderpath(preferences) ##Prefs folder of current user ##Mac OS X: specialfolderpath(asup) ##Application Support ##Win 2000/XP specialfolderpath(35) ##Don't know the english name of this folder, sorry... ##Win 95,96,97,98 specialfolderpath(system) ##a.k.a the black hole: C:\Windows :-) ##Unix/Linux $HOME ##(Homefolder of current user) -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field?
I have a field YourAnswer with several instances of xxx. I want to tab to each instance of xxx. The scripts on tabKey find word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey and on tabKey find xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey work, but they give me an outline box around xxx, which is not the same thing as selecting xxx, which hilites xxx. The analogous script on tabKey select word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey does not work. Neither do on tabKey select word xxx of field YourAnswer end tabKey or on tabKey select xxx of field YourAnswer end tabKey Help! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field?
Hi Robert, As usual, it is very interesting to think of Is there such a script which do that in the IDE? Lights! In any script window, the Find button does what I want ;-) So, check the revFindNext function in the script of the single card of any script window which is called by the Find button and adapt it. In order to open scripts in IDE windows, check the Contextual menus work in Revolution windows in the main pane of the Rev Prefs. Then use a right click to display the contextual menu in any IDE window. Exploring the IDE always gets you rich... Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 17 mai 05 à 23:05, Robert Ball a écrit : I have a field YourAnswer with several instances of xxx. I want to tab to each instance of xxx. The scripts on tabKey find word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey and on tabKey find xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey work, but they give me an outline box around xxx, which is not the same thing as selecting xxx, which hilites xxx. The analogous script on tabKey select word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey does not work. Neither do on tabKey select word xxx of field YourAnswer end tabKey or on tabKey select xxx of field YourAnswer end tabKey So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Use an another player that XAnim
Le mardi 17 mai 2005 à 10:25 -0700, Mark Talluto a écrit : On May 17, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Damien Girard wrote: Hi All, I am using revolution under Linux, and about video and audio feature, this isn't very great for now. So, I have seen that there are the vcplayer command in runrev. So, I want to choose an another player that Xanim (who aren't supported anymore since 1999). But I didn't know a player who can work with revolution. I have tried with mplayer, but this doesn't work. Thanks. Take a look at feature request: http://support.runrev.com/ bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2290 Mplayer would be the obvious choice. Though, if you are into rumors, one is floating around that Apple has or is porting QT to Linux. Has something to do with iTunes for Linux. That would be the very best solution for me. Mark Talluto Is it only a rumor, Apple can port QT to linux, but I didn't think now. Mplayer is considerated has the best media player for linux (because he can read anything). So, for now, runrev can read only video and audio file with Xanim ? (I tried with Xanim and runrev doesn't work with it, nasty bug). Damien Girard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
sqlite
I was looking at sqlite and wondered if anyone could tell me about it's ability to search for text inside a potentially very large database. Will sqlite create an index of the words in the database if requested and do searches on it like proximity searches and such? Thanks, Oak ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
sqlite files
I forgot to ask on the last email, since sqlite files are just individual files, is it possible to just use sqlite as a file save structure such that you could have a directory full of data files that were all individual sqlite databases and people could email them back and forth like regular files? Thanks, Oak ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field?
From: Robert Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:05:56 -0700 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field? I have a field YourAnswer with several instances of xxx. I want to tab to each instance of xxx. The scripts on tabKey find word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey How about on tabKey find word xxx in field YourAnswer select the foundText end tabKey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sqlite
On 5/18/05 3:00 PM, Oak Norton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Oak, I was looking at sqlite and wondered if anyone could tell me about it's ability to search for text inside a potentially very large database. Will sqlite create an index of the words in the database if requested and do searches on it like proximity searches and such? This task do perfectly Valentina. 1) With Valentina you can * assign even to EACH field to have Language * Assign for some field(s) to be IndexedByWords. 2) Valentina 2.0 also adds * Unicode support. * such easy for use API as VField_FindStartWith( string ) VField_FindContains( string ) VField_FindEndsWith( string ) VField_FindLike( string ) VField_FindRegEx( string ) 3) also Valentina 2.0 introduce unique feature: Index Style using which you can specify index style where define: MaxIgnoreLength IgnoreWords So you can skip some words from index by words. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sqlite files
On 5/18/05 3:06 PM, Oak Norton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Oak, I forgot to ask on the last email, since sqlite files are just individual files, is it possible to just use sqlite as a file save structure such that you could have a directory full of data files that were all individual sqlite databases and people could email them back and forth like regular files? Actually this is not normal mode for database. Database give you advantage when you keep all data on the same vertical. Then DBMS can index them and search. What you in fact, can be done in Valentina 2.0 with help of XML load/unload. XML is quite good format for data exchanging. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: PenTool v3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Very nice! On May 18, 2005, at 12:05 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi developers, Download the stack: Pen Tool v3 from: http://geocities.com/capellan2000/penToolv3.zip _http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/penToolv3.zip_ This stack shows five buttons: a pen tool,two Selection Tools, and EXIT and Help buttons. (These nice icons are from the collection of Ximian Project for Open Office) To start, open the stack penToolv3 as a palette. Write in the message box: answer file Choose stack penToolv3;palette it Changes from Pen Tool V2: To edit the points of the graphic, choose the hollow selection tool. Click on the line or the fill of the graphic to show the control and vertex points. (Notice, if you had resized or moved the graphic with the pointer tool, this tool makes the graphic to redraw itself). Move the vertex or controls points to reshape the graphic.Double click on the line or fill of the graphic to hide these control and vertex points. To move or resize the graphics, choose the pointer tool and change the size of any graphic or move them. After moving or resizing the graphic, you had to select it again with the hollow selection tool, to redraw it. IMPORTANT: Everytime you choose a tool in the palette penTool the script from other tools in the palette is removed from the frontscripts. If you want to remove all frontscripts from this palette, click on the EXIT button (An open door with a red arrow). Feel free to adapt this handler for your own purposes, all that i ask you is: keep an updated link to my website in the documentation of your software or your website. i have handlers for adding, deleting and converting the points of these graphics. Later, when debugged, i'll add them to this palette. eventually, i'll include the handlers for graphic transformations: scaling, rotating, skew and flip. i have rotation and scale already working fine with these kinds of graphics (and both custom properties). If you want to use these handlers, i recomend that you print and study them, while using the tool. Then, add your own comments to the code. I'm sure that in this way you will found and fix any error that escaped my own knowledge. This is the best way to understand how this code works. Send comments and report bugs to my email direction. Thanks in advance. Alejandro Tejada Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCizol7aqtWrR9cZoRAiGDAJ91vvgttEzFQpSeFXvp6lQ9je0OqgCePKW/ 0CkvLFQCaDt7hbkMObucLSQ= =TDFH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Downloading Updates --the current stack?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If your bundle is set up properly, then work with the assumption that a normal user will not be able to write to the bundle if it is installed for multiple users, but an administrator will be. OTOH, if the bundle is installed for a single user, that user should have write permission. This is a *good thing,* since it prevents arbitrary replacement of the stack's file by an ordinary user, possibly with false intent... On May 18, 2005, at 4:27 AM, Klaus Major wrote: H Jeanne, At 12:50 AM +0200 5/18/05, Malte Brill wrote: JAED If it's not the main stack of the running application, you can JAED download the file, replacing the outdated file, then use the revert JAED command to load the new version from disk. Could there be trouble with file permissions? E.g. If the stack is inside the bundle on OsX? There shouldn't be. The revert command just reads the file - and the application had to do the same thing when it started up. If there's a problem with read permissions for the file, it will exist every time the user runs the application, even without downloading a new copy. i am sure Malte meant eventual problem with WRITE permissions inside an OS X bundle. What about that? Anyway, i would recommend to store stack that might be replaced/updated into some other place like where you DO have write permissions: ##Mac OS X/OS 9 specialfolderpath(preferences) ##Prefs folder of current user ##Mac OS X: specialfolderpath(asup) ##Application Support ##Win 2000/XP specialfolderpath(35) ##Don't know the english name of this folder, sorry... ##Win 95,96,97,98 specialfolderpath(system) ##a.k.a the black hole: C:\Windows :-) ##Unix/Linux $HOME ##(Homefolder of current user) -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCizsU7aqtWrR9cZoRAtrTAJ454REymGboxMCLAWb8YB3pI3jqXQCdGfJw 7sztfk2m7jAPMhn0RbamO4k= =PSd5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Use an another player that XAnim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Look out, though; have you been to the mplayer home page lately? http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ On May 17, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Damien Girard wrote: Le mardi 17 mai 2005 à 10:25 -0700, Mark Talluto a écrit : On May 17, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Damien Girard wrote: Hi All, I am using revolution under Linux, and about video and audio feature, this isn't very great for now. So, I have seen that there are the vcplayer command in runrev. So, I want to choose an another player that Xanim (who aren't supported anymore since 1999). But I didn't know a player who can work with revolution. I have tried with mplayer, but this doesn't work. Thanks. Take a look at feature request: http://support.runrev.com/ bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2290 Mplayer would be the obvious choice. Though, if you are into rumors, one is floating around that Apple has or is porting QT to Linux. Has something to do with iTunes for Linux. That would be the very best solution for me. Mark Talluto Is it only a rumor, Apple can port QT to linux, but I didn't think now. Mplayer is considerated has the best media player for linux (because he can read anything). So, for now, runrev can read only video and audio file with Xanim ? (I tried with Xanim and runrev doesn't work with it, nasty bug). Damien Girard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCizwN7aqtWrR9cZoRAl8yAJsFyqkAytiTup9w2GX8isA20pt3OQCeLNMn 4tiD94ddDeDXW+/is9Ea3D8= =sDHC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runrev work with your linux ?
Morning Damien! I am using runrev under linux, and he doesn't work at all when I launch runrev with the GTK+ look and feel. Runrev only start in motif, so I search people who can launch runrev with the GTK+ look and feel, for search where the bug can come from. I have tryed with Runrev 2.5.1 under : - Fedora Core 3 - Doesn't work - Debian Sarge and Sid - Doesn't work The language used is French and my $LANG is : - Debian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] So far the only Linux systems I have tried with RunRev are both Debian variants (Ubuntu and Linspire), one running Gnome and one running KDE. On both of those it has worked just fine. --gordon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runrev work with your linux ?
Damien? I'm not sure but doesn't Gnome use the GTK library? On May 18, 2005, at 08:15, Gordon Tillman wrote: Morning Damien! I am using runrev under linux, and he doesn't work at all when I launch runrev with the GTK+ look and feel. Runrev only start in motif, so I search people who can launch runrev with the GTK+ look and feel, for search where the bug can come from. I have tryed with Runrev 2.5.1 under : - Fedora Core 3 - Doesn't work - Debian Sarge and Sid - Doesn't work The language used is French and my $LANG is : - Debian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] So far the only Linux systems I have tried with RunRev are both Debian variants (Ubuntu and Linspire), one running Gnome and one running KDE. On both of those it has worked just fine. --gordon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rotate image about arbitrary point
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:22:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro Tejada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Rotate image about arbitrary point To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jim Hurley wrote: Someone has surely done this, but if not, the stack below allows you to rotate an image about an arbitrary pivot point. It's the first time that i see an image rotating around an arbitrary point in a stack. But, did you noticed how the border of the image change while rotating? Alejandro, I'm not sure I know what you mean when you say the border changes. On my system I see no border. What is your OS? Does this also happen when you: set the angle of image myImage to 45--or whatever? That is rotate the image about the center point? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Inconsistent behaviour of menus
Hi everyone on this list, Hi support team, Rev 2.5.1 - OS X 10.4.1 I am used to build menus as text, adding a parenthesis to disable an item, !c to checkmark another one, etc. The problem comes when working with submenus items. With Rev 2.5 you could write something like: tab SubmenuItem 1 -- enabled (tab SubmenuItem 2 -- disabled With Rev 2.5.1, such a formulation no longer works. You have to put the parenthesis strictly before the label: tab SubmenuItem 1 -- enabled tab (SubmenuItem 2 -- disabled If you try to use the built-in disable command with submenus items, it works fine with 2.5 and does not work with 2.5.1. because it puts the parenthesis at the beginning of the line :-( BTW Note that the tab (SubmenuItem 1 form, compulsory with Rev 2.5.1, works great with Rev 2.5: just our luck... So, have I to revise most of my plugins and How-To stacks which display weird menus with Rev 2.5.1. and cross one's fingers, hoping they will still work in the future? The last part of the question is for the support team... Best regards from Paris, Just a little bit angry today :-) Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
wooo hoooo!!!
I actually successfully created an icon for a standalone app on Windows! This had been confusing me for some time. Yeah, I know you guys do this all the time, but as a relatively new user, this was quite a challenging task. What I was not getting, was that the icon file actually contains 9 separate images. I kept creating the icon into one of the acceptable formats, thinking that revolution wanted me to pick an appropriate format, and that somehow my ico file was not formatted properly. Actually, it wanted me to make it in all of the formats. Once I read the error message more closely, I got it. But, man, it sure takes a lot of work to create an icon - 9 images total. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: wooo hoooo!!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Most of the better icon editors have a feature which will automatically generate the other icon formats for you; just create one in the largest, most colorful format, then ask the editor to create the other formats for you automatically based on that one. On May 18, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: I actually successfully created an icon for a standalone app on Windows! This had been confusing me for some time. Yeah, I know you guys do this all the time, but as a relatively new user, this was quite a challenging task. What I was not getting, was that the icon file actually contains 9 separate images. I kept creating the icon into one of the acceptable formats, thinking that revolution wanted me to pick an appropriate format, and that somehow my ico file was not formatted properly. Actually, it wanted me to make it in all of the formats. Once I read the error message more closely, I got it. But, man, it sure takes a lot of work to create an icon - 9 images total. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCi1uU7aqtWrR9cZoRAuOgAJ9v+bkSGfgtFN3mRxtYvY/QYl8bOwCfQDjd NcdH2+Fln9YgVcqJFpfcdqs= =9DY0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Which one is faster ?
Hi list, Which option is faster : switch staements or nested if-then-else ? Has anyone run tests on this ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: wooo hoooo!!!
Hi Frank, I started at 32x32 - prolly should've started at 48x48 - you make a good point. The icon contains the letters ECS - so, converting size produced funny or unreadable letters, so I had to rework them. I think, in future, I will avoid letters in icons if I can do so. Live and learn. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:13 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: wooo h!!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Most of the better icon editors have a feature which will automatically generate the other icon formats for you; just create one in the largest, most colorful format, then ask the editor to create the other formats for you automatically based on that one. On May 18, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: I actually successfully created an icon for a standalone app on Windows! This had been confusing me for some time. Yeah, I know you guys do this all the time, but as a relatively new user, this was quite a challenging task. What I was not getting, was that the icon file actually contains 9 separate images. I kept creating the icon into one of the acceptable formats, thinking that revolution wanted me to pick an appropriate format, and that somehow my ico file was not formatted properly. Actually, it wanted me to make it in all of the formats. Once I read the error message more closely, I got it. But, man, it sure takes a lot of work to create an icon - 9 images total. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCi1uU7aqtWrR9cZoRAuOgAJ9v+bkSGfgtFN3mRxtYvY/QYl8bOwCfQDjd NcdH2+Fln9YgVcqJFpfcdqs= =9DY0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Which one is faster ?
I ran a test on 500,000 records, testing between a single if-then vs. a single switch, and I found that the if-then was faster. It was noticeably faster, but not hugely faster. I do not remember the exact difference - sorry. However, I do not know if switch has an advantage with complex, multiple-choice decisions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jbv Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:26 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Which one is faster ? Hi list, Which option is faster : switch staements or nested if-then-else ? Has anyone run tests on this ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
is it true ?
Hi again, I vaguely remember reading from someone on this very list that in case of a complex conditional statement like : if offset(a,d)0 and w10 and w2=w1+1 and offset(b,d)0 and w30 and w4=w3+1 then Rev would drop the evaluation as soon as a false is encountered, hence speeding up the execution of the script... Is that true, or did I dream ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Which one is faster ?
Hi JB, Hi list, Which option is faster : switch staements or nested if-then-else ? Has anyone run tests on this ? No, but i can say that switch statements are FAR more readable than nested if...then statements, especially if the scripter uses the (for me) strange if condition then do this else do that format WITHOUT a final end if... ;-) Thanks, JB Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field?
Hello Eric from Paris, thank you so much for responding to my request for help. Apparently I did not make clear exactly what I want to do in my first message, so here is my second attempt. I have a field YourAnswer on a card with several instances of xxx. I want to press the tab key and have the cursor move to the next instance of xxx and also hilite the xxx. The script on tabKey find word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey moves the cursor to the next xxx and draws an outline box around the xxx, but it doesn't hilite the xxx, which is what I want. I have to double click the found xxx to select it. I had hoped the script on tabKey select word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey would work, but it doesn't. I must be doing something wrong. Robert PS -- this is my first message, I just joined the list yesterday. I hope this is how to respond to your message. Hi Robert, As usual, it is very interesting to think of Is there such a script which do that in the IDE? Lights! In any script window, the Find button does what I want ;-) So, check the revFindNext function in the script of the single card of any script window which is called by the Find button and adapt it. In order to open scripts in IDE windows, check the Contextual menus work in Revolution windows in the main pane of the Rev Prefs. Then use a right click to display the contextual menu in any IDE window. Exploring the IDE always gets you rich... Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 17 mai 05 à 23:05, Robert Ball a écrit : I have a field YourAnswer with several instances of xxx. I want to tab to each instance of xxx. The scripts on tabKey find word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey and on tabKey find xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey work, but they give me an outline box around xxx, which is not the same thing as selecting xxx, which hilites xxx. The analogous script on tabKey select word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey does not work. Neither do on tabKey select word xxx of field YourAnswer end tabKey or on tabKey select xxx of field YourAnswer end tabKey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Global variables lost in space
On May 17, 2005, at 5:23 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On May 17, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: I just got bitten by the same thing and came to realize that if you create a new global variable and put a number into it, it will not now up. This works for me: on mouseUp global a put 0+5 into a put [ a ] end mouseUp I even changed the global to some weird name and used random(). Rev 2.5.1 on OS X 10.3.9 (MDD). Now open up your message box and look for the value of the global variable in the global variable list. It will not show up. It is true that the value is usable from within a script though. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Use an another player that XAnim
On May 17, 2005, at 1:16 PM, Damien Girard wrote: Le mardi 17 mai 2005 à 10:25 -0700, Mark Talluto a écrit : On May 17, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Damien Girard wrote: Hi All, I am using revolution under Linux, and about video and audio feature, this isn't very great for now. So, I have seen that there are the vcplayer command in runrev. So, I want to choose an another player that Xanim (who aren't supported anymore since 1999). But I didn't know a player who can work with revolution. I have tried with mplayer, but this doesn't work. Thanks. Take a look at feature request: http://support.runrev.com/ bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2290 Mplayer would be the obvious choice. Though, if you are into rumors, one is floating around that Apple has or is porting QT to Linux. Has something to do with iTunes for Linux. That would be the very best solution for me. Mark Talluto Is it only a rumor, Apple can port QT to linux, but I didn't think now. Mplayer is considerated has the best media player for linux (because he can read anything). So, for now, runrev can read only video and audio file with Xanim ? (I tried with Xanim and runrev doesn't work with it, nasty bug). I have gotten it to work with xanim, but the video codecs it supports are very old. Thus the video quality is horrible and choppy. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Global variables lost in space
Mark Talluto wrote: On May 17, 2005, at 5:23 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On May 17, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: I just got bitten by the same thing and came to realize that if you create a new global variable and put a number into it, it will not now up. This works for me: on mouseUp global a put 0+5 into a put [ a ] end mouseUp I even changed the global to some weird name and used random(). Rev 2.5.1 on OS X 10.3.9 (MDD). Now open up your message box and look for the value of the global variable in the global variable list. It will not show up. It is true that the value is usable from within a script though. The word a is a native Transcript token, so that may affect why it doesn't appear when you query the globals. It does seem to behave well in all other respects, however. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
1 more speed question
for year we've been told that repeat for each line j in myVar runs significantly faster than repeat for i=1 to number of lines in myVar that's true, but if you use the following repeat with i=1 to number of lines in myVar get line i of myVar and then do all your processing in the it variable (and then put it in line i of myVar at the end of the repeat loop if necessary), in that case the repeat with i... statement seems to run as fast as repeat for each line... does that mean that only the fact that each successive line is in a variable (and hence has its content easier to access than in a huge variable with dozens or hundreds of lines) matters, and that it has nothing to do with the repeat structure per se ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: interesting Crash
On May 17, 2005, at 10:22 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote: (but don't forget to submit the bug if this fixes it): The question how do submit this ? You can start here: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/ Or you can get the Revzilla stack (quoting Ken Ray): As usual, you can get it from RevNet, RevOnline (name: kray), or at: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: is it true ?
I believe it must be true, because I sometimes do something like: If (exists(field myField) = true) and (field myField empty) then... This kind of statement never causes an error for me, even if field myField does not exist. Thus, it must stop evaluating before it gets to the second part of the 'if' statement. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jbv Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:42 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: is it true ? Hi again, I vaguely remember reading from someone on this very list that in case of a complex conditional statement like : if offset(a,d)0 and w10 and w2=w1+1 and offset(b,d)0 and w30 and w4=w3+1 then Rev would drop the evaluation as soon as a false is encountered, hence speeding up the execution of the script... Is that true, or did I dream ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Which one is faster ?
i guess that if the if are single equal operations, they should be the same. If you include functions or complex or multiple operations in a case or [else] if, it will be tested until a false is found or maybe they have a magic value cache referer to parse it faster but improbable. In any case, use the if if you have few conditions. Use case with many options (like a menupick handler). Speed... OK, in terms of speed, if you do a zillion loops, these are going to have an impact. For the ocasional if or case, it's pointless to ask but for hardworking loops, it does matter a lot. In terms of design, the if will be faster because it's easier to segment the conditional usage of conditions more precisely than with a case. However, a case allows the same kind of usage switch -- note the lack of parameter, now the case handles if cases! case a=b break end switch Now, you can test this easily and this is the MonsieurX's quality bonus trick of the day to do some easy benchmarking... Note it uses dynamic script execution but im not sure it will really impact the whole test. In any case, you can rescript it into on bigger script unwrapping it all and see for yourself if the average exectution time is different... Could be interesting... BUT i got a another problem right now that prevents me from doing it at all now (just farging had to fargin happen! My mom is home a day too early! )$(@[EMAIL PROTECTED](*%) See the mail i wrote to Eric C. yesterday for his network benchmark? Here's the newer version ;) Untested, might have a bug but sorry, mom is here ()(%*)@#([EMAIL PROTECTED])) on mouseUp put random(100) into a put random(100) into b hilite me ask Loops: with 1 if it is not a number or it 0 then exit mouseup end if put it into loopcount -- do a standard test for non-conditional operations -- aka normalizing the data without those two statement's -- time taken into account into the final stats put dobenchtest(get abCRget the time, loopcount ) into normDelta put dobenchtest(if ab then get the time, loopcount) into iftest put dobenchtest(switchCRcase abcrget the timeend switch, loopcount) into switchtext put normDelta put iftest put switchtest /* you can script the rest regarding deltas of if and switch tests against normdelta (item 1 of iftest-item 1 of normdelta) which makes a normalized statistic result on the if and case information only without the get the time or ab operation's time taken into account. Also note that without a minimum of 100 loops , it's not exactly meaningfull information. */ unhilite me end mouseUp function dobenchtest what, loopcount do what -- cache put the milliseconds into tStart repeat loopcount times do what end repeat put the milliseconds - tStart comma after tlist return average(tlist), min(tlist), max(tlist), standardDeviation(tlist) end dobenchtest Exeptionally, Im releasing a statistics free open source stack about statistics. I haven't finished the about and the total testing but it used to work great Just a few minutes to make it TAOO presentable and i'll announce it. Cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jbv Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 17:26 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Which one is faster ? Hi list, Which option is faster : switch staements or nested if-then-else ? Has anyone run tests on this ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 1 more speed question
Very interessting... Thanks JB. Best, Pierre Le 18 mai 05, à 18:21, jbv a écrit : for year we've been told that repeat for each line j in myVar runs significantly faster than repeat for i=1 to number of lines in myVar that's true, but if you use the following repeat with i=1 to number of lines in myVar get line i of myVar and then do all your processing in the it variable (and then put it in line i of myVar at the end of the repeat loop if necessary), in that case the repeat with i... statement seems to run as fast as repeat for each line... does that mean that only the fact that each successive line is in a variable (and hence has its content easier to access than in a huge variable with dozens or hundreds of lines) matters, and that it has nothing to do with the repeat structure per se ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field?
Hello Robert, If I understand right?, xxx in your script stands for the string you wish to search for and select in field YourAnswer I suspect the trouble may be that : find word , is correct syntax but select word , is not. You can do : select word 3 of field 1, but not : select word John of field 1 a possible alternative approach, on tabkey put field UserInput into stringtofind if stringtofind is not empty then put offset(stringtofind,field YourAnswer) into t_offset if t_offset 0 then put the number of chars in stringtofind into t_length select char t_offset to (t_offset + t_length - 1)\ of field YourAnswer end if end if end tabkey It is also possible (if a little tortuous) to roll-your-own Find Again using the offset function, if that's what you need. HTH Martin Baxter Hello Eric from Paris, thank you so much for responding to my request for help. Apparently I did not make clear exactly what I want to do in my first message, so here is my second attempt. I have a field YourAnswer on a card with several instances of xxx. I want to press the tab key and have the cursor move to the next instance of xxx and also hilite the xxx. The script on tabKey find word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey moves the cursor to the next xxx and draws an outline box around the xxx, but it doesn't hilite the xxx, which is what I want. I have to double click the found xxx to select it. I had hoped the script on tabKey select word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey would work, but it doesn't. I must be doing something wrong. Robert PS -- this is my first message, I just joined the list yesterday. I hope this is how to respond to your message. Hi Robert, As usual, it is very interesting to think of Is there such a script which do that in the IDE? Lights! In any script window, the Find button does what I want ;-) So, check the revFindNext function in the script of the single card of any script window which is called by the Find button and adapt it. In order to open scripts in IDE windows, check the Contextual menus work in Revolution windows in the main pane of the Rev Prefs. Then use a right click to display the contextual menu in any IDE window. Exploring the IDE always gets you rich... Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 17 mai 05 à 23:05, Robert Ball a écrit : I have a field YourAnswer with several instances of xxx. I want to tab to each instance of xxx. The scripts on tabKey find word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey and on tabKey find xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey work, but they give me an outline box around xxx, which is not the same thing as selecting xxx, which hilites xxx. The analogous script on tabKey select word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey does not work. Neither do on tabKey select word xxx of field YourAnswer end tabKey or on tabKey select xxx of field YourAnswer end tabKey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field?
On 5/18/05 10:44 AM, Robert Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Eric from Paris, thank you so much for responding to my request for help. Apparently I did not make clear exactly what I want to do in my first message, so here is my second attempt. Hey, Robert... welcome to the list! John Ridge gave you the answer that is close to what I would have given you: on tabKey find word xxx in field YourAnswer select the foundText end tabKey which causes Rev to find and put a box around the text, and then highlight the text, removing the box. You *do* see the box appear very briefly, but the end result is what you want. To make it cleaner, wrap this with lock screen/unlock screen: on tabKey lock screen find word xxx in field YourAnswer select the foundText unlock screen end tabKey I think what Eric was trying to suggest to you is that since the Revolution IDE is scripted in Transcript as well, and that the IDE is open for you to look at how Runtime Revolution scripted it, many times you can look into the scripts of the IDE to get the functionality you're looking for (or at least a starting place from which you can modify the code to suit your needs). In this case, the script editor windows have a Find feature that does what you're looking for (type in text in the find field and click the Find button, it highlights (but doesn't box) the found text). However to actually get into the script to look at it is a bit convoluted (you need to set the pref that Eric identified, open a script editing window, find out the name of it, set it to topLevel so contextual menus will work on it, then use the contextual menu to edit the card script, find the revFindNext handler, and examine it), and the script doesn't use the find word/select the foundtext solution presented above. Instead, it uses offset to locate the word that should be selected, and then uses select to select a character range in the field. Both ways work, but the find/select is probably the simplest and easiest. Keep posting your questions to the list; we have a great bunch of people here who are extremely helpful. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Annc: Rainbow Web a Rev CD-ROM
Just thought I would put out another product that was Metacard/Revolution created! Using revolution allowed the costs of the CD-ROM to be kept way down so that the book could be sold with the CD-ROM included for less than $20! A whole series is planned and the next two are in production! The CD-ROM has simple activities, games and content that were quick and simple to do with rev. The CD-ROM will also go on sale next month by itself. This is a really fun series to work on since we get to do fun story book stuff, games and great background content materials all together! Nice to really do 'edutainment' (how i hate that term!) right! The book artwork came out wonderfully also, mainly b/w graphite with some hints of color that really makes the illustrations have feeling and also turns on the imagination so much more than the full color stuff. Description: The Rainbow Web is the first book in the 'Web to Whales' series of picture books with educational CD-ROMs. The set offers a complete thematic unit for teachers, homeschoolers, and parents. The fully illustrated picture book tells the delightful story of a spider that spins a rainbow web. The story engages a child's curiosity about spiders. Could a spider spin a colored web? Do spiders eat berries? Illustrations start out in black and white, introducing each rainbow color as the story progresses. Lessons and activities on primary and secondary colors are included on the CD-ROM. The companion CD-ROM teaches the science behind the story. Students learn about real-life spiders through narrated lessons and interactive games and activities. The interactive CD-ROM also includes reproducible activity pages that are intended as a follow-up to the lessons. Cross-curricular activities in reading, math, science, and art are offered, as well as comprehension questions to accompany the book. More info at: http://www.blockpub.com/pages/rainbow/index.html great book for the kids and grandkids and another feather in the rev cap! cheers, jeff___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: is it true ?
On 5/18/05 10:42 AM, jbv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rev would drop the evaluation as soon as a false is encountered, hence speeding up the execution of the script... JB, It looks like you're tooling around looking at script performance issues. If you haven't already seen the series of articles on increasing script performance, might I direct you to: Increasing Script Performance, Part I http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_scrp005 Increasing Script Performance, Part II http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_scrp006 Increasing Script Performance, Part III http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_scrp007 A wonderful set of articles by Wil Djikstra on increasing script performance in Revolution. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Which one is faster ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Note that something like: switch someExpression case someValue ... ... end switch in *compiled* languages tends to be faster than numerous or nested if statements, because the someExpression is evaluated once then considered for each case, whereas with the nested if statements it has to be evaluated multiple times, once for each branch of the comparison. So my guess would be that an if statement would be faster for a one-way branch (or a simple, one-layer if-then-else, probably), whereas once you hit multiple statements the switch/case would grow to have more and more of a speed advantage as the number of branches increases. Don't have time to really test this for Rev right now, though I'd imagine it would be similar to compiled languages in this way. On May 18, 2005, at 12:27 PM, MisterX wrote: i guess that if the if are single equal operations, they should be the same. If you include functions or complex or multiple operations in a case or [else] if, it will be tested until a false is found or maybe they have a magic value cache referer to parse it faster but improbable. In any case, use the if if you have few conditions. Use case with many options (like a menupick handler). Speed... OK, in terms of speed, if you do a zillion loops, these are going to have an impact. For the ocasional if or case, it's pointless to ask but for hardworking loops, it does matter a lot. In terms of design, the if will be faster because it's easier to segment the conditional usage of conditions more precisely than with a case. However, a case allows the same kind of usage switch -- note the lack of parameter, now the case handles if cases! case a=b break end switch Now, you can test this easily and this is the MonsieurX's quality bonus trick of the day to do some easy benchmarking... Note it uses dynamic script execution but im not sure it will really impact the whole test. In any case, you can rescript it into on bigger script unwrapping it all and see for yourself if the average exectution time is different... Could be interesting... BUT i got a another problem right now that prevents me from doing it at all now (just farging had to fargin happen! My mom is home a day too early! )$(@[EMAIL PROTECTED](*%) See the mail i wrote to Eric C. yesterday for his network benchmark? Here's the newer version ;) Untested, might have a bug but sorry, mom is here ()(%*)@#([EMAIL PROTECTED])) on mouseUp put random(100) into a put random(100) into b hilite me ask Loops: with 1 if it is not a number or it 0 then exit mouseup end if put it into loopcount -- do a standard test for non-conditional operations -- aka normalizing the data without those two statement's -- time taken into account into the final stats put dobenchtest(get abCRget the time, loopcount ) into normDelta put dobenchtest(if ab then get the time, loopcount) into iftest put dobenchtest(switchCRcase abcrget the timeend switch, loopcount) into switchtext put normDelta put iftest put switchtest /* you can script the rest regarding deltas of if and switch tests against normdelta (item 1 of iftest-item 1 of normdelta) which makes a normalized statistic result on the if and case information only without the get the time or ab operation's time taken into account. Also note that without a minimum of 100 loops , it's not exactly meaningfull information. */ unhilite me end mouseUp function dobenchtest what, loopcount do what -- cache put the milliseconds into tStart repeat loopcount times do what end repeat put the milliseconds - tStart comma after tlist return average(tlist), min(tlist), max(tlist), standardDeviation(tlist) end dobenchtest Exeptionally, Im releasing a statistics free open source stack about statistics. I haven't finished the about and the total testing but it used to work great Just a few minutes to make it TAOO presentable and i'll announce it. Cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jbv Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 17:26 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Which one is faster ? Hi list, Which option is faster : switch staements or nested if-then-else ? Has anyone run tests on this ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $
Re: 1 more speed question
On May 18, 2005, at 10:21 AM, jbv wrote: does that mean that only the fact that each successive line is in a variable (and hence has its content easier to access than in a huge variable with dozens or hundreds of lines) matters, and that it has nothing to do with the repeat structure per se ? Naw. Repeat for each line is fastest. Then is repeat counting lines and getting the line once. Then is repeat counting lines and getting it multiple times. Also avoid putting into line n in a loop. You normally want to accumulate lines. Put it lf after your accumulator variable and then drop the last char after the loop if you don't want it. dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field?
Hello Robert, Welcome to this list :-) You will find here a lot of people to help you. I have no time at the moment but I will extract for you the right script for you ASAP :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 18 mai 05 à 17:44, Robert Ball a écrit : Hello Eric from Paris, thank you so much for responding to my request for help. Apparently I did not make clear exactly what I want to do in my first message, so here is my second attempt. I have a field YourAnswer on a card with several instances of xxx. I want to press the tab key and have the cursor move to the next instance of xxx and also hilite the xxx. The script on tabKey find word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey moves the cursor to the next xxx and draws an outline box around the xxx, but it doesn't hilite the xxx, which is what I want. I have to double click the found xxx to select it. I had hoped the script on tabKey select word xxx in field YourAnswer end tabKey would work, but it doesn't. I must be doing something wrong. Robert PS -- this is my first message, I just joined the list yesterday. I hope this is how to respond to your message. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Which one is faster ?
Jonathan- Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 8:28:21 AM, you wrote: LJ I ran a test on 500,000 records, testing between a single if-then vs. a LJ single switch, and I found that the if-then was faster. It was LJ noticeably faster, but not hugely faster. I do not remember the exact LJ difference - sorry. Interesting. I found that counter-intuitive, so I checked things out with 4W RevBench (thanks, Richard). I find that the switch statement consistently runs some quite a bit faster on four tests. Obviously the value of x here will be the major factor in determining the total run time in the nested-if case. -- test 1: put 4 into x switch x case 1 put x into y break case 2 put x into y break case 3 put x into y break case 4 put x into y break default put x into y end switch -- test2: put 5 into x if x = 1 then put x into y else if x = 2 then put x into y else if x = 3 then put x into y else if x = 4 then put x into y else put x into y end if end if end if end if value of x:% faster (100k runs): 1 0 2 15 3 25 4 35 5 35 -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Which one is faster ?
MisterX- Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 9:27:22 AM, you wrote: M switch -- note the lack of parameter, now the case handles if cases! M case a=b M break M end switch Switch without a parameter !!??!! I reworked my benchmark test to try this and found that this effectively slows the switch statement down to the speed of the nested ifs (i.e., 20-35% slower), meaning that the pcode is mapped to the same thing, where every test must be taken in turn. Interesting technique, though. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inconsistent behaviour of menus
Eric Chatonet wrote: Rev 2.5.1 - OS X 10.4.1 I am used to build menus as text, adding a parenthesis to disable an item, !c to checkmark another one, etc. The problem comes when working with submenus items. With Rev 2.5 you could write something like: tab SubmenuItem 1 -- enabled (tab SubmenuItem 2 -- disabled With Rev 2.5.1, such a formulation no longer works. You have to put the parenthesis strictly before the label: tab SubmenuItem 1 -- enabled tab (SubmenuItem 2 -- disabled If you try to use the built-in disable command with submenus items, it works fine with 2.5 and does not work with 2.5.1. because it puts the parenthesis at the beginning of the line :-( This is a bug -- from the v2.5.1 Engine Changes doc: Bug 2275: Tabs parsed incorrectly in some menu definitions Tabs can now appear directly before or directly after the menu meta-characters in menu specifications. Happy Bugzillaing... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Global variables lost in space
On May 18, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: Now open up your message box and look for the value of the global variable in the global variable list. It will not show up. It is true that the value is usable from within a script though. Oh, I get it. The variable is in line 4 of the variableNames but is not in the items of the globalNames until after a string is put into it. Another bad consequence is that if a handler declares a global and gets compiled, that doesn't mean it is in the globalNames. (Looks like an if bug.) Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Which one is faster ?
I think the difference must be that, in my test, I was checking for single thing. If X = 100 then Do whatever Else Do something else End if -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:49 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Which one is faster ? Jonathan- Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 8:28:21 AM, you wrote: LJ I ran a test on 500,000 records, testing between a single if-then vs. a LJ single switch, and I found that the if-then was faster. It was LJ noticeably faster, but not hugely faster. I do not remember the exact LJ difference - sorry. Interesting. I found that counter-intuitive, so I checked things out with 4W RevBench (thanks, Richard). I find that the switch statement consistently runs some quite a bit faster on four tests. Obviously the value of x here will be the major factor in determining the total run time in the nested-if case. -- test 1: put 4 into x switch x case 1 put x into y break case 2 put x into y break case 3 put x into y break case 4 put x into y break default put x into y end switch -- test2: put 5 into x if x = 1 then put x into y else if x = 2 then put x into y else if x = 3 then put x into y else if x = 4 then put x into y else put x into y end if end if end if end if value of x:% faster (100k runs): 1 0 2 15 3 25 4 35 5 35 -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: is it true ?
On 5/18/05 10:42 AM, jbv wrote: Hi again, I vaguely remember reading from someone on this very list that in case of a complex conditional statement like : if offset(a,d)0 and w10 and w2=w1+1 and offset(b,d)0 and w30 and w4=w3+1 then Rev would drop the evaluation as soon as a false is encountered, hence speeding up the execution of the script... Is that true, or did I dream ? It's true. Verified by Scott Raney on the MC list some time back. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Which one is faster ?
like everything, it's at runtime you see the effects... but if not solicited a lot, it's makes for a lot of clear branching. Surely different languages implement each differently and decompiling would be the best way to know what is best... But in RunRev, the benchmarking is the only way to know... Without too much digging in macsbug ;) Whatever happened to YACC for HyperTalk? cheers Xav http://monsieurx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 18:58 To: 'How to use Revolution' Subject: Re: Which one is faster ? MisterX- Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 9:27:22 AM, you wrote: M switch -- note the lack of parameter, now the case handles if cases! M case a=b M break M end switch Switch without a parameter !!??!! I reworked my benchmark test to try this and found that this effectively slows the switch statement down to the speed of the nested ifs (i.e., 20-35% slower), meaning that the pcode is mapped to the same thing, where every test must be taken in turn. Interesting technique, though. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Global variables lost in space
On May 18, 2005, at 9:06 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: The word a is a native Transcript token, so that may affect why it doesn't appear when you query the globals. It does seem to behave well in all other respects, however. I tried this with the variable: gTalluto No go unless you put a string in that variable first. Then you can put anything else you want and it will show up. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inconsistent behaviour of menus
Hi Richard, You leave out the section title in the v2.5.1 Engine Changes doc where I read: Bugs fixed in this release ;-) Which just shows that some fixed bugs can generate new bugs, more, more annoying... Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 18 mai 05 à 19:06, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Eric Chatonet wrote: Rev 2.5.1 - OS X 10.4.1 I am used to build menus as text, adding a parenthesis to disable an item, !c to checkmark another one, etc. The problem comes when working with submenus items. With Rev 2.5 you could write something like: tab SubmenuItem 1 -- enabled (tab SubmenuItem 2 -- disabled With Rev 2.5.1, such a formulation no longer works. You have to put the parenthesis strictly before the label: tab SubmenuItem 1 -- enabled tab (SubmenuItem 2 -- disabled If you try to use the built-in disable command with submenus items, it works fine with 2.5 and does not work with 2.5.1. because it puts the parenthesis at the beginning of the line :-( This is a bug -- from the v2.5.1 Engine Changes doc: Bug 2275: Tabs parsed incorrectly in some menu definitions Tabs can now appear directly before or directly after the menu meta-characters in menu specifications. Happy Bugzillaing... So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
no longer OT: Apple V Apple. Legal lunacy?
Thanks to Alan and Chipp for their perspectives on business and law. Anyone who draws up business arrangements (in the software field or otherwise) would be well advised to read their posts to this list: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-May/057273.html http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-May/057342.html If only more business and personal interactions were handled in this manner, we'd waste a whole lot less resources, money and time Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rotate image about arbitrary point
Hi Jim, :-) Download this image to see the rugged border around the image that i'm seeing: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/imagerotation.jpg Is this rugged border unavoidable? al on Wed, 18 May 2005 Jim Hurley wrote: I'm not sure I know what you mean when you say the border changes. On my system I see no border. What is your OS? Does this also happen when you: set the angle of image myImage to 45--or whatever? That is rotate the image around the center point? Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 1 more speed question
--- jbv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for year we've been told that repeat for each line j in myVar runs significantly faster than repeat for i=1 to number of lines in myVar that's true, but if you use the following repeat with i=1 to number of lines in myVar get line i of myVar and then do all your processing in the it variable (and then put it in line i of myVar at the end of the repeat loop if necessary), in that case the repeat with i... statement seems to run as fast as repeat for each line... does that mean that only the fact that each successive line is in a variable (and hence has its content easier to access than in a huge variable with dozens or hundreds of lines) matters, and that it has nothing to do with the repeat structure per se ? Thanks, JB Hi JB, Rest assured that 'repeat for each' is tha fastest construct by its very nature : the engine knows it's going through the whole varible, and keeps track of where it's at, saving it from counting he number of lines all over again. However, 'it' is a special variable, and probably resides in the 'stack' part of the memory rather than the 'heap' where the engine keeps close tabs on it. So you would probably get the best performance if you use something like: -- repeat for each line tLine in tLongList get tLine ## now do everything with it end repeat -- Jan Schenkel. Quartam - Tools for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 1 more speed question
Jan, Thanks for the explanation, but as for your example : repeat for each line tLine in tLongList get tLine ## now do everything with it end repeat what if I need to replace tLine in tLongList after some processing on each line ? JB Hi JB, Rest assured that 'repeat for each' is tha fastest construct by its very nature : the engine knows it's going through the whole varible, and keeps track of where it's at, saving it from counting he number of lines all over again. However, 'it' is a special variable, and probably resides in the 'stack' part of the memory rather than the 'heap' where the engine keeps close tabs on it. So you would probably get the best performance if you use something like: -- repeat for each line tLine in tLongList get tLine ## now do everything with it end repeat -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: is it true ?
jbv wrote: Hi again, I vaguely remember reading from someone on this very list that in case of a complex conditional statement like : if offset(a,d)0 and w10 and w2=w1+1 and offset(b,d)0 and w30 and w4=w3+1 then Rev would drop the evaluation as soon as a false is encountered, hence speeding up the execution of the script... Is that true, or did I dream ? Yes, it's true - quoted from Scott Raney on the MC list; conditional evaluation ceases as soon as the result can be determined. This has consequences not just for the speed, but also for the predictability of results from things like using variables/fields that may not exist, calling functions with side-effects, etc. and therefore is effectively part of the definition of correct operation of the language (i.e. you can assume it will remain true). I don't know whether his statement covered switch condition evaluation or not - I would expect it does, but would verify that by testing before depending on it. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 16/05/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 1 more speed question
--- jbv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan, Thanks for the explanation, but as for your example : repeat for each line tLine in tLongList get tLine ## now do everything with it end repeat what if I need to replace tLine in tLongList after some processing on each line ? JB In that case you should simply build a new list in a variable, and then copy that back into the original variable. As Dar suggested, something like: -- repeat for each line tLine in tLongList get tLine ## now do everything with it put it return after tNewList end repeat ## copy back the result without the trailing return put char 1 to -2 of tNewList into tLongList -- Looking forward to the results of the speed test, Jan Schenkel. Quartam - Tools for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: PenTool v3
on Wed, 18 May 2005 08:50:45 -0400 Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: Very nice! Thanks a lot, Frank! :-) You are welcome! Please, as your time permits, send comments and report bugs to my email direction. Shortly, i'll be adding a Color/Ink effects palette and the circle and polygon tools to this stack. Thanks again, in advance. :-) Alejandro Tejada Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 1 more speed question
I put this in the script of a button: on mouseUp repeat 1 add 1 to c put c cr after theList end repeat put the milliseconds into stTime repeat for each line L in theList get L end repeat put the milliseconds - stTime into forTime put the milliseconds into stTime repeat with n = 1 to the number of lines in theList get line n of theList end repeat put the milliseconds - stTime into withTime put forTime withTime end mouseUp forTime was 7, with time was 1197. My understanding of the issue is that in the 'with' construction, the lines have to counted from 1 to get the line you want, each time round. With a short list, this is not a problem, but when it's got to count thousands of lines (increasing by 1 everytime), it can get slow. The 'for' construction is effectively keeping a running tally of where it's got to, so is only having to add 1 each time. Also, the 'get L' above is redundant, since L already contains the data of whichever line it's got to. Imagine having to count from 1 to 9000, then 1 to 9001, 1 to 9002 etc. as opposed to simply counting from 1 to 1. Cheers, Mark On 18 May 2005, at 17:00, jbv wrote: for year we've been told that repeat for each line j in myVar runs significantly faster than repeat for i=1 to number of lines in myVar that's true, but if you use the following repeat with i=1 to number of lines in myVar get line i of myVar and then do all your processing in the it variable (and then put it in line i of myVar at the end of the repeat loop if necessary), in that case the repeat with i... statement seems to run as fast as repeat for each line... does that mean that only the fact that each successive line is in a variable (and hence has its content easier to access than in a huge variable with dozens or hundreds of lines) matters, and that it has nothing to do with the repeat structure per se ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no longer OT: Apple V Apple. Legal lunacy?
Thanks for the positive remarks, Kurt. And thanks to Chipp for his take on things, with which I largely concur -- by all means, if they are able, the parties to a contract should work out the major terms on their own BEFORE getting a lawyer involved. They may even be able to draft the entire contract themselves -- you don't need a lawyer to form a binding and enforceable contract. A word of warning, however -- if you (a) don't have much experience with negotiating contracts, (b) have never been a party to a contract before, and/or (c) are uncomfortable with representing yourself in what can be a fairly confrontational and stressful process, it may be best to have an attorney on your side as you nail down the major terms of the contract. Even if the parties deal directly with each other during this phase, while the attorney sits on the sidelines to advise as necessary, there can be real value, particularly to the uninitiated, in having in your corner someone more experienced in negotiating and drafting these things. This has been a very interesting discussion, and I'm so glad that others have found it worthwhile. We don't often explore the business/legal side of things on this list, but some attention to it now and then is no doubt a good thing. Thanks to Jeff Reynolds for teeing this up for us! Alan S. Golub, Esq. On 5/18/05 1:46 PM, Kurt Kaufman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to Alan and Chipp for their perspectives on business and law. Anyone who draws up business arrangements (in the software field or otherwise) would be well advised to read their posts to this list: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-May/057273.html http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-May/057342.html If only more business and personal interactions were handled in this manner, we'd waste a whole lot less resources, money and time Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: is it true ?
Yes, it's true - quoted from Scott Raney on the MC list; conditional evaluation ceases as soon as the result can be determined. OK. so in my example : put wordoffset(b,d) into w1 if offset(a,d) 0 and w1 0 then I'd better write : if offset(a,d) 0 and wordoffset(b,d) 0 then because wordoffset(b,d) will be evaluated only if the 1st part of the conditional statement is true... right ? JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 1 more speed question
Looking forward to the results of the speed test, When it comes to the difference between case blocks and if blocks, I'll make a prediction: The difference will be negligible relative to the benefits of using the most readable choice for the problem at hand. While my experience with older xTalks had me something of a benchmark fanatic, the more I work with the Rev engine the less benchmarking I do. Aside from a handful of basics, I find the differences between most constructs to be very, very small. In most cases the benefits of saving hours in maintenance over the life of a product by using the choice that makes for more readable code is a better savings than a fraction of a millisecond for one which may be technically more efficient. What basics? Off the top of my head: - Use repeat for each wherever possible over repeat with - Use fields only when text needs to be displayed; if data is merely stored by the user doesn't need to see if you'll get far better performance using custom properties - If a field must be accessed but not necessarily seen by the user (such as translating to/from htmlText/rtfText) using a field on an unopened card will boost cut the time for that operation roughly in half - When in serious doubt, it only takes a minute to benchmark alternatives. When the difference is a fraction of a millisecond, unless the operation must be called many times within a loop your project management will likely benefit from going with the option that's easier to read -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and chunk expressions
Hi Thomas, I'm not sure what you want to do with these chunk expressions, but my success at following Devin's suggestion to use Unicode by moving it into and out of html conversions causes me to ask: Is it possible to do what you want by simply using the resultant ascii text and manipulating it as one would normally do (filters, instructions, comparison, etc)? Setting normal input text (depending on your method) to Unicode and then converting to htmlText (which comes and goes as ascii) would seem to make all normal transcript powers available. Just turning it over in my mind, I'm not sure what you want to do with Unicode that would not be available by converting it to and from ascii. Using UTF-8 appears to open some new additional functions that would not be available in a normal useUnicode environment. However, it is unlikely that UTF-8 will produce something stable enough to come through without problems in your final build. UTF-16 is a better ultimate mediu, but with the ability to move from unicode to html to ascii and all the way back again, you can start and end with UTF-16 (or start with GB5 and end up with UTF-16 if you want), which seems to me to work very well. That is: input characters with your normal method, get everything to ascii codes for your internal app operation, and have unicode (UTF-16) come out again at the user's end. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Use an another player that XAnim
On May 18, 2005, at 5:58 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: Look out, though; have you been to the mplayer home page lately? http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ Yikes! Let's hope the QT rumor comes true soon. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Speed
I have tried this in a field with 2352 lines (one word in each line): on mouseUp method1 method2 method3 method4 method5 method6 end mouseUp on method1 put the milliseconds into originMill repeat with x=1 to the number of lines of fld dos put line x of fld dos cr after aList1 end repeat put the milliseconds-originMillthe number of lines of aList1 into msg end method1 on method2 put the milliseconds into originMill put fld dos into miVar repeat with x=1 to the number of lines of miVar put line x of miVar cr after aList2 end repeat put crthe milliseconds-originMillthe number of lines of aList2 after msg end method2 on method3 put the milliseconds into originMill repeat for each line efe in fld dos put efecr after aList3 end repeat put crthe milliseconds-originMillthe number of lines of aList3 after msg end method3 on method4 put the milliseconds into originMill put fld dos into miVar repeat for each line efe in miVar put efecr after aList4 end repeat put crthe milliseconds-originMillthe number of lines of aList4 after msg end method4 on method5 put the milliseconds into originMill repeat with x=1 to the number of lines of fld dos get line x of fld dos put itcr after aList5 end repeat put crthe milliseconds-originMillthe number of lines of aList5 after msg end method5 on method6 put the milliseconds into originMill put fld dos into miVar repeat with x=1 to the number of lines of miVar get line x of miVar put itcr after aList6 end repeat put crthe milliseconds-originMillthe number of lines of aList6 after msg end method6 Some results (not uniform): 7658 2352 1688 2352 10 2352 8 2352 7819 2352 1451 2352 *** 7803 2352 1313 2352 11 2352 10 2352 4867 2352 1054 2352 *** 8113 2352 1698 2352 12 2352 86 2352 7793 2352 1391 2352 and so on ... Best regards, Ton Cardona ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: is it true ?
On 5/18/05 1:34 PM, jbv wrote: Yes, it's true - quoted from Scott Raney on the MC list; conditional evaluation ceases as soon as the result can be determined. OK. so in my example : put wordoffset(b,d) into w1 if offset(a,d) 0 and w1 0 then I'd better write : if offset(a,d) 0 and wordoffset(b,d) 0 then because wordoffset(b,d) will be evaluated only if the 1st part of the conditional statement is true... right ? Right. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: 1 more speed question
Mark, if in your repeat loop you just use line 1 of container, then delete it (from a tempList) then you'll see it's just as fast... repeat 1000 get line 1 of mylist delete line 1 of mylist cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 20:05 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: 1 more speed question I put this in the script of a button: on mouseUp repeat 1 add 1 to c put c cr after theList end repeat put the milliseconds into stTime repeat for each line L in theList get L end repeat put the milliseconds - stTime into forTime put the milliseconds into stTime repeat with n = 1 to the number of lines in theList get line n of theList end repeat put the milliseconds - stTime into withTime put forTime withTime end mouseUp forTime was 7, with time was 1197. My understanding of the issue is that in the 'with' construction, the lines have to counted from 1 to get the line you want, each time round. With a short list, this is not a problem, but when it's got to count thousands of lines (increasing by 1 everytime), it can get slow. The 'for' construction is effectively keeping a running tally of where it's got to, so is only having to add 1 each time. Also, the 'get L' above is redundant, since L already contains the data of whichever line it's got to. Imagine having to count from 1 to 9000, then 1 to 9001, 1 to 9002 etc. as opposed to simply counting from 1 to 1. Cheers, Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field?
On 18 mai 05, at 19:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, Simply use: on tabKey find word xxx if the result is not not found then select the foundChunk end tabKey Frederic RINALDI Technical Consultant Developer Cellular : 33-(0)6 07 34 01 61 eMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field?
how many of us already knew that and didn't think of it? ;) Fred, you're a natural ;) Any externals shell-code insights in the same lovely french style you'd like to share? ;) bravo Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frédéric RINALDI Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 21:29 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field? On 18 mai 05, at 19:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, Simply use: on tabKey find word xxx if the result is not not found then select the foundChunk end tabKey Frederic RINALDI Technical Consultant Developer Cellular : 33-(0)6 07 34 01 61 eMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and chunk expressions
On May 18, 2005, at 12:30 PM, pkc wrote: but with the ability to move from unicode to html to ascii and all the way back again, you can start and end with UTF-16 (or start with GB5 and end up with UTF-16 if you want), which seems to me to work very well. That is: input characters with your normal method, get everything to ascii codes for your internal app operation, and have unicode (UTF-16) come out again at the user's end. It is possible to work with the htmlText. However, that does have its own problems. You end up with pieces of elements you don't expect. I ran a quick test with Tagalog and getting the last word got part of a font element and the trailing /p. Of course, since it is all ASCII, you can program around that. As far as using UTF-8, there might be some gotchas in the high codes. I don't remember under what circumstances Revolution tries to to character conversions. I ran a test on OS X and high codes don't seen to be involved in case insensitivity. One advantage of using htmlText is the ability to easily display values in debugging and in other tests. However, since htmlText is a proprietary format that might change, I would lean toward using UTF-8 in scripts. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field?
Hi all, how many of us already knew that and didn't think of it? ;) and how many of you actually read the post of Ken Ray from about 3 hours ago NOT? :-D Am 18.05.2005 um 18:34 schrieb Ken Ray: ... on tabKey lock screen find word xxx in field YourAnswer select the foundText unlock screen end tabKey ... Frédéric RINALDI Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 21:29 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field? On 18 mai 05, at 19:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, Simply use: on tabKey find word xxx if the result is not not found then select the foundChunk end tabKey Frederic RINALDI Technical Consultant Developer Cellular : 33-(0)6 07 34 01 61 eMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no longer OT: Apple V Apple. Legal lunacy?
As a law school grad who declined to become a practicing attorney, let me add one other note. A contract is only a piece of paper. Right up until someone thinks the other person has breached it. Then it is a nightmare. Draft agreements with clear divorce clauses. The document is really most valuable if and when things go south. Dan On May 18, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Alan Golub wrote: Thanks for the positive remarks, Kurt. And thanks to Chipp for his take on things, with which I largely concur -- by all means, if they are able, the parties to a contract should work out the major terms on their own BEFORE getting a lawyer involved. They may even be able to draft the entire contract themselves -- you don't need a lawyer to form a binding and enforceable contract. A word of warning, however -- if you (a) don't have much experience with negotiating contracts, (b) have never been a party to a contract before, and/or (c) are uncomfortable with representing yourself in what can be a fairly confrontational and stressful process, it may be best to have an attorney on your side as you nail down the major terms of the contract. Even if the parties deal directly with each other during this phase, while the attorney sits on the sidelines to advise as necessary, there can be real value, particularly to the uninitiated, in having in your corner someone more experienced in negotiating and drafting these things. This has been a very interesting discussion, and I'm so glad that others have found it worthwhile. We don't often explore the business/legal side of things on this list, but some attention to it now and then is no doubt a good thing. Thanks to Jeff Reynolds for teeing this up for us! Alan S. Golub, Esq. On 5/18/05 1:46 PM, Kurt Kaufman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to Alan and Chipp for their perspectives on business and law. Anyone who draws up business arrangements (in the software field or otherwise) would be well advised to read their posts to this list: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-May/057273.html http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-May/057342.html If only more business and personal interactions were handled in this manner, we'd waste a whole lot less resources, money and time Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] How-To stack #008 How to build a menu on the fly revised
Hi everyone, After a previous angry mail about Rev inconsistency regarding disabled submenus items with successive releases of Rev, I revised my How-To stack dedicated to menus building in order to make it working with all versions of Rev 2.x... How-To stack #008: How to build on the fly a pulldown menu with sub-menus from an outline stored into a custom property. How to add contextual items, checkmark, activate or disable menu items, etc. How to respond to the user actions: choosing a menu item, using a keyboard shortcut, etc. Added a print function and some tips about cross-platform contextual menus behaviour. On RevOnLine: User name: So Smart Software Category: Programming On RevNet: Tutorials section To download RevNet, go to http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/index.html Directly by pasting into the message box: go url http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/Managing%20Menus.rev; In a few days, I will replace all these means of access by a single stack, a kind of shell, linked to my web site and released as a plugin: it will make the maintenance easier and will ensure that you have last updates as new ones immediatly to hand. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Custom Cursors
Ok, I must be missing something simple. I am trying to create a custom cursor. Whenever I do a set the cursor to 1005, Rev crashes. I have a 16 x 16 png, black, white and transparent. Is there something else I should be doing? Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inconsistent behaviour of menus
On 5/18/05 12:40 PM, Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Richard, You leave out the section title in the v2.5.1 Engine Changes doc where I read: Bugs fixed in this release ;-) Which just shows that some fixed bugs can generate new bugs, more, more annoying... Agreed... Eric, did you post a new bug in Bugzilla for this? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ANN: SimpleStats
In the serie of SimpleStacks to demonstrate simple concepts Made in RunRev, here's a TAOO enhanced GUI sporting the SimpleStats stack i mentioned a few hours ago. Great to know if your statistics are worth the numbers... http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloaddetail slid=84 d_op=viewdownloaddetailslid=84 or [if it works... - dont rant, just click on the link and the download will start...] go url http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=84 d_op=getitlid=84 For those 2 pre-announcement downloads, the GUI is now much much improved... This stack is totally opensource - and free but may be restricted in use - see about field (the one with the nice zoom animation! ;) The GUI theme and stack resizing is made in TAOO. And Metacard 2.5.x compatible too! As usual, votes, comments and donations always welcome to keep the effort and novelty coming to you for free! cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: watermarked images that photocopy as void
There is a name to the process of embedding an image in an image that doesn't show up until you photocopy it ... I need it to watermark the printing on a rev project ... Does anyone know the name of this effect so i can research it? thank you! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Custom Cursors
Peter, From my tests, if you're on WinXP, then the cursor needs to be 32x32. It can be 16x16 on Mac. In order to set the color correctly, Try clicking in your cursor img with the pencil to 'reset' the color map. Then it should work. best, Chipp Peter T. Evensen wrote: I have a 16 x 16 png, black, white and transparent. Is there something else I should be doing? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Custom Cursors
Actually 16 x 16 works. I discovered the image needs to be indexed (which clicking with the pencil might have done). One odd bit of behavior, the black and white were reversed when it was a cursor.I guess that could have been because it was coming from a Mac. Hmm wonder if I'll have cross platform issues with this. At 04:36 PM 5/18/2005, you wrote: Peter, From my tests, if you're on WinXP, then the cursor needs to be 32x32. It can be 16x16 on Mac. In order to set the color correctly, Try clicking in your cursor img with the pencil to 'reset' the color map. Then it should work. best, Chipp Peter T. Evensen wrote: I have a 16 x 16 png, black, white and transparent. Is there something else I should be doing? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: watermarked images that photocopy as void
Would that be a latent image/watermark? At 04:35 PM 5/18/2005, you wrote: There is a name to the process of embedding an image in an image that doesn't show up until you photocopy it ... I need it to watermark the printing on a rev project ... Does anyone know the name of this effect so i can research it? thank you! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inconsistent behaviour of menus
Hi Ken, In fact, I dont know exactly how works bugzilla. I downloaded your fine Revzilla, change my web browser (then cookies were missing), lost my password, saw that the new Revzilla did not need them any more... etc. So I have to dig into :-) I take this opportunity to tell you that, in a previous post about What is the script for selecting a specific word in a field, you said the things so much clearly than I am able :-) I think that it should be very interesting to demonstrate to rev programmers how rich is the IDE which often provides functionalities or reliable starting places to build our own scripts. For instance, I am thinking of the app browser which uses html lists built on the fly, resizable columns and headers, fine keyboard shortcuts and many other useful tricks and features. The IDE is the best tutorial I know ;-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 18 mai 05 à 23:28, Ken Ray a écrit : On 5/18/05 12:40 PM, Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Richard, You leave out the section title in the v2.5.1 Engine Changes doc where I read: Bugs fixed in this release ;-) Which just shows that some fixed bugs can generate new bugs, more, more annoying... Agreed... Eric, did you post a new bug in Bugzilla for this? So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [ANN] How-To stack #008 How to build a menu on the fly revised
Eric, do you have any tips to prevent menus from stacks behind (or palettes) intercepting the menu's messages? stack A has a menu - with save/s in it. Open stack b - no menu if i try to save stack b, stack a intervenes and launches its save handler... Other than writing a plugin to fix this (HotKeyN2O again), is there any normal way to prevent this? cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 23:20 To: How to use Revolution Subject: [ANN] How-To stack #008 How to build a menu on the fly revised Hi everyone, After a previous angry mail about Rev inconsistency regarding disabled submenus items with successive releases of Rev, I revised my How-To stack dedicated to menus building in order to make it working with all versions of Rev 2.x... How-To stack #008: How to build on the fly a pulldown menu with sub-menus from an outline stored into a custom property. How to add contextual items, checkmark, activate or disable menu items, etc. How to respond to the user actions: choosing a menu item, using a keyboard shortcut, etc. Added a print function and some tips about cross-platform contextual menus behaviour. On RevOnLine: User name: So Smart Software Category: Programming On RevNet: Tutorials section To download RevNet, go to http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/index.html Directly by pasting into the message box: go url http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/Managing%20Menus.rev; In a few days, I will replace all these means of access by a single stack, a kind of shell, linked to my web site and released as a plugin: it will make the maintenance easier and will ensure that you have last updates as new ones immediatly to hand. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT: watermarked images that photocopy as void
isn't that the good old printing watermark? Light blue dots on top of dark blue dots - the light blue doesn't photocopy, the dark does... imperceptible to the untrained eye... For color images, try to use the same colors as money - some commercial scanners change automatically the color / or pretend not to copy it right (withough some adjustments at least)... Photoshop 9 has a detector for money too - image/pattern recognition based probably... cheers Xav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Evensen Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 23:43 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: OT: watermarked images that photocopy as void Would that be a latent image/watermark? At 04:35 PM 5/18/2005, you wrote: There is a name to the process of embedding an image in an image that doesn't show up until you photocopy it ... I need it to watermark the printing on a rev project ... Does anyone know the name of this effect so i can research it? thank you! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 1 more speed question
Mark- Putting the limit into a variable speeds things up considerably: put the number of controls on card id 200593 of stack revIcons into y repeat with x=1 to y add 1 to z end repeat Is twice as fast (.73 ticks vs 1.41 ticks) as: repeat with x=1 to the number of controls on card id 200593 of stack revIcons add 1 to z end repeat -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: RevCentral Newsletter
As many of you may have already found out, Dan Shafer and I have put toghether a newsletter for Runtime Revolution users called: RevCentral Newsletter. Included are tips, notes on 3rd party add-ons, and other general information relevant to Rev users. Those already on the list have received issue 1. There will be a new newsletter going out sometime in the next few days, and if you're not already on the list, please consider subscribing: http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/revCentralHome/default.htm If you are on the list, but wish to no longer receive the newsletter, please click the link on the bottom of it or email Dan or I directly and we'll be happy to remove you, though sad to see you go. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: SimpleStats
Probably me, but I can't get most of the buttons to do anything. The Calc button works but the graph button and the rest just sit there and stare at me. Dan On May 18, 2005, at 2:16 PM, MisterX wrote: In the serie of SimpleStacks to demonstrate simple concepts Made in RunRev, here's a TAOO enhanced GUI sporting the SimpleStats stack i mentioned a few hours ago. Great to know if your statistics are worth the numbers... http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php? name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloaddetail slid=84 d_op=viewdownloaddetailslid=84 or [if it works... - dont rant, just click on the link and the download will start...] go url http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php? name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=84 d_op=getitlid=84 For those 2 pre-announcement downloads, the GUI is now much much improved... This stack is totally opensource - and free but may be restricted in use - see about field (the one with the nice zoom animation! ;) The GUI theme and stack resizing is made in TAOO. And Metacard 2.5.x compatible too! As usual, votes, comments and donations always welcome to keep the effort and novelty coming to you for free! cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and chunk expressiong
Dar wrote: However, that does have its own problems. You end up with pieces of elements you don't expect. I ran a quick test with Tagalog and getting the last word got part of a font element and the trailing /p. Of course, since it is all ASCII, you can program around that. That's quite right. In my experience so far, these trailing and fronting elements all occur very regularly and can be filtered out as one wishes. A line or two makes it all neat and manipulable. There is also the problem that unicode-derived ascii will produce one legible word for Transcript, no matter how many characters are involved. A filter is required to space out betwen ; and which is also not a big deal. I am just not sure exactly what sort of functions Thomas wants to apply to his unicode chunks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] How-To stack #008 How to build a menu on the fly
Eric, Thanks for this stack. I will have to study it to get the full benefit. I have never taken advantage of the sub-menu features in Run Rev. But first a general question. Why doesn't a pull down menu look like a pull down menu? The icon in the tool box looks like a pull down menu, but it is an impostor. You pull it on to the screen and it is transformed into a simple rectangle. I'm realize that I must not be the first to notice this. What gives? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rotate image about arbitrary point
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:50:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro Tejada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Rotate image about arbitrary point To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Jim, :-) Download this image to see the rugged border around the image that i'm seeing: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/imagerotation.jpg Is this rugged border unavoidable? al Now I see what you mean. It is much less noticeable on my Mac PowerBook. It is either an artifact of that particular image, or a problem with Run Rev's set the angle of. Probably the former. I suspect it is a function of my efforts to remove the image from its background in Photo Shop. You had mentioned that this utility would be useful in positioning images. My objective actually was to be able to animate images in Run Rev--without animated gifs. I have altered the stack to show this effect. In this stack, David swings his sling to drop Goliath. To get this effect it is necessary to rotate David's arm--as a separate image--about the shoulder. In the menu box: go url http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/RotateImage2.rev; Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Password Protection and Copying
Howdy List: I have a copy-protected main stack from which I need to copy controls to a substack. Apparently, copying objects is disabled unless the passkey is provided before copying. This works OK, but then the password-protected stack is left unprotected. Is there any workaround for this -- any way to restore the main stack's password while it is in memory? (Rev 2.5.1) Thanks Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 1 more speed question
On May 18, 2005, at 4:31 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Putting the limit into a variable speeds things up considerably: put the number of controls on card id 200593 of stack revIcons into y repeat with x=1 to y add 1 to z end repeat 6.9 ms Is twice as fast (.73 ticks vs 1.41 ticks) as: repeat with x=1 to the number of controls on card id 200593 of stack revIcons add 1 to z end repeat 6.9 ms Did you forget to put the 'put' inside your timing? Or are we seeing your clock resolution? I tested two ways with Rev 2.5.1 OS X dual 1.25 GHz. I think the latter is slightly faster. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Password Protection and Copying
On May 18, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: I have a copy-protected main stack from which I need to copy controls to a substack. Apparently, copying objects is disabled unless the passkey is provided before copying. This works OK, but then the password-protected stack is left unprotected. Is there any workaround for this -- any way to restore the main stack's password while it is in memory? (Rev 2.5.1) I have a vague memory of setting passkey to empty. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Password Protection and Copying
Howdy List: I have a copy-protected main stack from which I need to copy controls to a substack. Apparently, copying objects is disabled unless the passkey is provided before copying. This works OK, but then the password-protected stack is left unprotected. Is there any workaround for this -- any way to restore the main stack's password while it is in memory? (Rev 2.5.1) Thanks Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design See bug 546 (yes, that old and with 25 votes). Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Password Protection and Copying
Hi Scott, I just tried this: on mouseUp set the passkey of this stack to wahasel copy me to stack mySubStack set the password of this stack to wahasel save this stack revert end mouseUp seems to work, but causes flicker. Cheers, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Don't Mess Around...
All- I learned a lesson today. I was annoyed by the plethora of plugin toolbars that were crowding my screen, so I closed runrev and moved one of the toolbars into an unused folder so it wouldn't start up the next time I launched the IDE. This, of course, caused the IDE to hang with the message loading menus and plugins and I had to force quit it... ...and completely reinstall runrev. No amount of fiddling seemed to fix my problem up. So I've learned not to mess around in the plugins folder. Now, my question is... where is the list of plugins stored? Which ide stack did I mess up by moving things around? And since I couldn't open any stacks in any event, is there another way to recover other than a complete reinstall? If it helps any, this was the 4W devolution plugin that I moved, but somehow I don't think this is the plugin's fault. And I'm back to normal, thanks, or at any rate what passes for normal around here, so there's no immediate problem to solve, but I'm curious about what happened here and thinking that I might issue a warning that others not follow in my footsteps. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Downloading Updates --the current stack?
At 10:20 AM +0200 5/18/05, Malte Brill wrote: sorry, I wasn´t clear enough. What I meant is the download and replacement process (write permissions) e.g when the app lies on macHD/Applications. Would that be a problem? If so, can we code around it? Ah, I see what you mean. Hmmm. If the download process fails because of a permission problem, I think you get an error returned in the result. So at least you can tell that it happened. How to work around it is another question. You could download the stack to another location such as the Preferences folder, where the user (should) have write permission, and then use the delete command to remove the old version from memory, then load the new version into memory by opening it or getting a property of the stack. However, this would only work for the current session - the next time the application starts up, it would load the (old version) stack from its bundle. And if the idea is to perform a live update of the application, a solution that only works for the current session obviously isn't sufficient. In this case it may be best to check the result during the download, and if there is an error, advise the user to log in as an admin in order to do the install. This is a little ugly but I don't see a good way around it - it is true in general that installing apps requires sufficient permissions. One other method would be to allow a copy in the Preferences folder to override the copy in the application bundle. When the application starts up, it can first check the Preferences folder for the stack - and if the stack is there, load it from Preferences rather than from the bundle. This has two disadvantages - it makes things more complicated in general, and it takes up more disk space - but it might be the best solution for certain situations. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: is it true ?
At 6:59 PM +0100 5/18/05, Alex Tweedly wrote: jbv wrote: Rev would drop the evaluation as soon as a false is encountered, hence speeding up the execution of the script... Is that true, or did I dream ? Yes, it's true - quoted from Scott Raney on the MC list; conditional evaluation ceases as soon as the result can be determined. It's also documented: Note: Transcript uses what is known as short-circuit evaluation for logical operators. This means that value1 is evaluated first. If value1 is false, the expression value1 and value2 is false regardless of what value2 is (because the expression evaluates to false unless both the values are true). In this case, Revolution does not evaluate value2, since doing so is not necessary to determine the value of value1 and value2. For example, evaluating the expression asin(2) normally causes an execution error (because 2 is not a legal argument for the arc sine function), but evaluating the expression (1 = 0) and (asin(2) = 1) does not cause an error: since (1 = 1) is always false, the whole statement is always false and Revolution never tries to evaluate the asin function. (This is under and and or, and probably at least the first part should be included in if as well.) I don't know whether his statement covered switch condition evaluation or not - I would expect it does, but would verify that by testing before depending on it. It's done any time an expression with a binary boolean operator is encountered, regardless of context. So it works in a switch or if or anywhere else, e.g.: put (1 = 0) and (asin(2) = 1) into foo puts false into foo without running the faulty asin. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Don't Mess Around...
Mark Wieder wrote: Now, my question is... where is the list of plugins stored? Which ide stack did I mess up by moving things around? And since I couldn't open any stacks in any event, is there another way to recover other than a complete reinstall? If it helps any, this was the 4W devolution plugin that I moved, but somehow I don't think this is the plugin's fault. I just moved my 4wDevolution.rev plugin out and restarted Rev and had no difficulty, so I agree it's probably not that. All the tools in the devolution toolkit are designed to be self-contained even though they can act in an integrated fashion when they're all together, so while I can't rule out the possibility of an error I can at least say I work hard to avoid it in such circumstances. I can't imagine what would require previous plugins to remain in place. It's counter to the philosophy of interchangeable plugins. If you find the culprit please let me know. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 1 more speed question
On 5/18/05 7:45 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On May 18, 2005, at 4:31 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Putting the limit into a variable speeds things up considerably: put the number of controls on card id 200593 of stack revIcons into y repeat with x=1 to y add 1 to z end repeat 6.9 ms Is twice as fast (.73 ticks vs 1.41 ticks) as: repeat with x=1 to the number of controls on card id 200593 of stack revIcons add 1 to z end repeat 6.9 ms Did you forget to put the 'put' inside your timing? Or are we seeing your clock resolution? I tested two ways with Rev 2.5.1 OS X dual 1.25 GHz. I think the latter is slightly faster. This came up on the MetaCard list back in the dark ages. Scott Raney said the engine figures out the variable so we don't have to, and the two should be identical in speed. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Don't Mess Around...
On 19 May 2005, at 11:36 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Now, my question is... where is the list of plugins stored? Which ide stack did I mess up by moving things around? And since I couldn't open any stacks in any event, is there another way to recover other than a complete reinstall? If it helps any, this was the 4W devolution plugin that I moved, but somehow I don't think this is the plugin's fault. And I'm back to normal, thanks, or at any rate what passes for normal around here, so there's no immediate problem to solve, but I'm curious about what happened here and thinking that I might issue a warning that others not follow in my footsteps. Hi Mark, I would guess that the plugin was set to load on startup. If you go to Plugin settings in the Development - Plugins menu, you can set the plugins behavior to load on startup, or only when chosen from the menu. If you had set this to load only from the menu, then I think deleting it would not have caused any problems. However, I am surprised that you weren't able to solve things by putting the plugin back into the plugins folder. One final note: when you use the Plugin Settings stack, closing it also closes all open plugins. I think I bugzilla'd this a while ago but I can't remember the number. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
CustomProperties function returns zilch
I got a stack with a bunch of custom properties (a number of which are holding data) and this: answer the customProperties of this stack returns zilch -- a number equal to my patience :-) Is this broken? Mac OSX 10.3.9/Rev 2.5.1 tom ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
